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| 03:12.49 | Centurion_Dan | I had a bizarre situation post install - an empty fstab. Why, and when did this change??? |
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| 03:21.02 | aitor | hi, Centurion_Dan |
| 03:25.06 | aitor | oh, he disappeared :( |
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| 03:32.12 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: not far away ;-) |
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| 05:37.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-09-19 Mon 05:25:06] <aitor> oh, he disappeared :( |
| 05:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-09-19 Mon 05:25:32] <-- aitor (~aitor@114.62-99-112.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) has left this server (Client Quit). |
| 05:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 06:54.55 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: ;-) |
| 06:54.58 | Centurion_Dan | How are you? |
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| 07:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: fine here, thanks |
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| 07:58.07 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: i remove the /etc/fstab from the chroot jail before building the images, and this file is generated by d-i |
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| 07:59.26 | aitor | i remove it because the user's home folder was not generated if i did a ( / , /home , swap) partition |
| 07:59.50 | aitor | surelly this bug in d-i has been fixed, but i'm not sure |
| 08:00.35 | aitor | i talked about this bug in the mailing list |
| 08:01.33 | aitor | and about another bug related to fstab |
| 08:02.44 | topro | hi there, while I'm at it... I found a serious bug: xdm in ascii is still debian branded ;) |
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| 08:23.02 | rumflump | installing Devuan, I should have hit space to select Cinnamon, but accidentally hit enter, which went ahead with the default DE. is there a way to cancel this part of the install and go back one step? no key combination that I know of is working |
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| 08:25.29 | TXX | rumflump: as far as i know you can't abort it, but once the system is installed you can run the command tasksel as root/sudo |
| 08:25.35 | TXX | and get the same installation menu for DE |
| 08:30.06 | rumflump | got it, thank you |
| 08:37.57 | Centurion_Dan2 | aitor: thanks for the info. So this is a bug in d-i then. I will dig into this. Do you think it's because the empty file is there and prevent's it being overwritten? |
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| 08:41.17 | aitor | maybe... |
| 08:42.37 | aitor | but i will try building with the fstab file |
| 08:42.59 | aitor | i tried it in august and it worked fine |
| 08:43.51 | aitor | i therefore think that it has been fixed |
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| 08:48.03 | rumflump | from the busybox shell in the devuan installer, can I pipe my install log out somehow? the shell doesn't have termbin or apt-get |
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| 08:49.41 | Gargravarr | hi guys, is something up with packages.devuan.org? i'm just seeing Waiting for headers |
| 08:50.05 | Gargravarr | but updating the package list doesn't error |
| 08:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | rumflump: netcat? |
| 08:51.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, when it doesn't even know apt-get... |
| 08:52.36 | rumflump | yeah it's pretty limited. here are my options, Doc: http://i.imgur.com/bFNn6z6.png |
| 08:53.26 | rumflump | however, perhaps the problem mentioned by Gargravarr is the reason it failed while installing additional software, so I will just try again in the morning |
| 08:56.17 | Gargravarr | rumflump: is that a recovery shell? |
| 08:59.53 | rumflump | that's the shell the installer allows me to use to save installation logs, Garg. I'm not familiar with most of those commands, I was hoping for a nano, gedit, and/or termbin |
| 09:00.39 | Gargravarr | you should have vi |
| 09:02.14 | Gargravarr | (the commands you're seeing are the shell built-ins, not the programs installed in the OS) |
| 09:03.24 | rumflump | oh, there we are then. perfect! |
| 09:05.08 | rumflump | I failed to fetch from auto.mirror.devuan... I'll try another mirror |
| 09:06.37 | Gargravarr | as best i can tell, there isn't one |
| 09:07.04 | Gargravarr | auto.mirror seems to be the only one, and it resolves directly to packages.devuan.org |
| 09:07.19 | rumflump | canada mirror not working for me. going back to plan of "sleep and try again", then :) |
| 09:07.30 | rumflump | thank you for your advice though |
| 09:07.34 | Gargravarr | nothing wrong with that plan |
| 09:07.43 | Gargravarr | np |
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| 09:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | echo $PATH |
| 09:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox, my a** |
| 09:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | try /bin/<TAB><TAB> |
| 09:29.47 | Gargravarr | whereis ought to work |
| 09:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# busybox whereis |
| 09:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | whereis: applet not found |
| 09:30.35 | Gargravarr | applet? |
| 09:30.41 | Gargravarr | >_> |
| 09:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox |
| 09:30.48 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 09:32.01 | Gargravarr | tbf busybox isn't exactly designed for power users |
| 09:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/97821240 |
| 09:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | busybox is for experts *only* |
| 09:32.21 | Gargravarr | that said, the times busybox pops up do tend to be times when you WANT a powerful shell |
| 09:32.57 | neutron_stz | busybox sucks ... |
| 09:33.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | messybox == $powerful-shell ^^ -1 |
| 09:34.17 | Gargravarr | Doc: it's $powerful-shell with random feature bits flipped off |
| 09:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and never, really NEVER dare to set messbox SUID |
| 09:34.47 | Gargravarr | wouldn't |
| 09:34.54 | Gargravarr | hugs bash |
| 09:38.31 | Gargravarr | sguh |
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| 11:20.40 | fbt | >busybox is for experts *only* |
| 11:20.44 | fbt | It's not even that |
| 11:21.04 | fbt | It's a small toolset for small systems |
| 11:21.34 | fbt | You get less functions ofr the price of it being very small and flexible (you can build just what you need and not more) |
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| 13:09.26 | aitor | hola |
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| 13:31.28 | aitor | jordila... jordi mallach? |
| 13:33.40 | aitor | you are from spain |
| 13:34.08 | golinux | What difference does it make , aitor? |
| 13:36.10 | golinux | What matters is the jordila (whoever s/he is) is here and interested in devuan. |
| 13:36.39 | aitor | nothing, of course |
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| 13:37.38 | aitor | i'm only saying that jordila is spanish |
| 13:38.15 | golinux | Amnd you know that because? |
| 13:38.50 | aitor | it's obvious |
| 13:39.28 | aitor | jordi@98.127.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es |
| 13:40.24 | golinux | A Spanish name does not mean living in Spain. Could be about anywhere. |
| 13:40.55 | golinux | If that's even a real identity. |
| 13:40.56 | algernon | spanish ip doesn't mean a thing either. |
| 13:41.19 | golinux | Making assumptions can come to wrong conclusions. |
| 13:41.52 | aitor | jazztel.es -> s/he lives in spain |
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| 13:42.15 | golinux | So what?! |
| 13:42.43 | aitor | jordi is a catalan name |
| 13:43.18 | golinux | retreats from this useless chatter |
| 13:43.44 | aitor | valencia is below calaluña |
| 13:43.48 | aitor | catalonia? |
| 13:45.17 | aitor | their language is closely related to catalan |
| 13:46.02 | aitor | and i assume that their names too |
| 13:46.43 | aitor | but assumptions can come to wrong conclusions |
| 13:49.52 | aitor | i'm not private detective :) |
| 13:50.19 | Gargravarr | can someone apply their detective skills and tell me if packages.devuan.org is working yet? |
| 13:50.41 | detha | it seems to be |
| 13:51.38 | aitor | lol |
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| 13:52.31 | Gargravarr | still seeing a lot of Waiting for Headers |
| 13:52.37 | Gargravarr | is that just the server load? |
| 13:53.36 | aitor | did you try with: |
| 13:53.48 | golinux | Nice segue Gargravarr |
| 13:53.50 | aitor | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 13:53.57 | Gargravarr | aitor: i did |
| 13:54.00 | Gargravarr | golinux: thank you :) |
| 13:54.56 | Gargravarr | auto.mirror resolves directly to packages though |
| 13:55.01 | Gargravarr | no practical difference |
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| 13:55.34 | Gargravarr | Server:127.0.0.1 |
| 13:55.34 | Gargravarr | Address:127.0.0.1#53 |
| 13:55.34 | Gargravarr | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 13:55.34 | Gargravarr | auto.mirror.devuan.orgcanonical name = packages.devuan.org. |
| 13:55.34 | Gargravarr | Name:packages.devuan.org |
| 13:55.36 | Gargravarr | Address: 46.105.191.77 |
| 13:56.38 | aitor | both work for me |
| 13:56.54 | aitor | see you later :) |
| 13:57.06 | Gargravarr | apt-get update works fine for me |
| 13:57.09 | Gargravarr | upgrade keeps timing out |
| 13:57.10 | golinux | I think it is set up that way because of the mirroring that's going on |
| 13:57.32 | Gargravarr | i figured Devuan doesn't have mirrors yet, but they're a work in progress |
| 13:58.26 | golinux | Gargravarr: More than on dozen listed on the homepage of the devuan website. |
| 13:58.34 | Gargravarr | golinux: for the ISO |
| 13:58.37 | Gargravarr | not for packages |
| 14:01.04 | golinux | http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged is for packages right? |
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| 14:07.29 | golinux | As to isos . . . after the announcement of Refracta 8 based on Devuan, there were @1,500 downloads yesterday! https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/isohybrid/ |
| 14:07.38 | golinux | Gargravarr: ^^^ |
| 14:07.58 | Gargravarr | golinux: correct |
| 14:09.09 | golinux | How cool is that!! |
| 14:10.13 | Gargravarr | w00t, go new users. now how about the existing :P |
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| 14:23.05 | aitor | they are a lot ! |
| 14:23.12 | golinux | Gargravarr: Numbers would probably go up if the installer didn't still have bugs. |
| 14:23.31 | golinux | For Devuan itself that is |
| 14:23.43 | aitor | i can't find the following iso: |
| 14:23.45 | aitor | jessie_ob_vdev-20160908_1437.iso |
| 14:23.57 | Gargravarr | golinux: i swapped my Debian 7 machine over to Devuan, i haven't tried the installer |
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| 14:24.14 | Gargravarr | ...oh wait, i did set up a VM first |
| 14:24.14 | aitor | only the *.as and the *.md5 are available |
| 14:24.23 | Gargravarr | aitor: tried other mirrors? |
| 14:24.32 | aitor | the *.asc :) |
| 14:24.35 | aitor | yes |
| 14:24.39 | aitor | save... |
| 14:24.42 | Gargravarr | interesting |
| 14:24.53 | Gargravarr | maybe you can work out what the ISO should be from the MD5 :) |
| 14:25.01 | aitor | http://refracta.freeforums.org/jessie-openbox-vdev-iso-t597.html |
| 14:25.26 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/isohybrid/refracta8_xfce_i386-20160917_1030.iso/download |
| 14:26.07 | golinux | Everything on this page: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/isohybrid/ |
| 14:28.11 | aitor | refracta8 is debian based |
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| 14:29.30 | aitor | today i'll upload the repository of vdev |
| 14:29.42 | aitor | i made the latest changes |
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| 14:30.07 | fsmithred | aitor! |
| 14:30.20 | aitor | and organize the quilt patches |
| 14:30.22 | fsmithred | I took down the jessie-ob iso. There was something wrong with it. |
| 14:30.25 | aitor | hi, fsmithred |
| 14:30.39 | fsmithred | I forget what it was. |
| 14:30.42 | aitor | today is missing in sourceforge |
| 14:30.52 | fsmithred | I removed the iso. |
| 14:30.58 | Gargravarr | mystery solved |
| 14:31.19 | golinux | aitor: No refracta is DEVUAN-based. It used to be debian-based |
| 14:31.43 | aitor | ok |
| 14:31.44 | Gargravarr | golinux: which in turn is Debian-based |
| 14:31.49 | Gargravarr | if you want to be pedantic :) |
| 14:32.00 | golinux | True :) |
| 14:32.05 | fsmithred | yeah, 99% of the packages in devuan are unchanged from debian |
| 14:32.21 | fsmithred | counted them. |
| 14:32.33 | Gargravarr | fsmithred: you must have a lot of fingers |
| 14:32.57 | fsmithred | lol, no, I counted them on tentacles. (not mine) |
| 14:33.18 | Gargravarr | so apparently fsmithred lives in Japan |
| 14:33.25 | fsmithred | lmao |
| 14:33.29 | Gargravarr | the only place with sufficient tentacles |
| 14:33.39 | fsmithred | glad I wasn't just taking a sip of coffee |
| 14:33.45 | Gargravarr | bows |
| 14:33.48 | aitor | be carefull gargravarr, katolaz is able to hear you... |
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| 14:34.41 | aitor | he doesn't lioke pedantry |
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| 14:35.04 | fsmithred | aitor, you want a vdev iso to play with? |
| 14:35.58 | aitor | yes, i have my own one, but i would like to compare it with others |
| 14:36.34 | aitor | fsmithred lives in japan? |
| 14:36.39 | fsmithred | no |
| 14:36.41 | fsmithred | US |
| 14:36.45 | fsmithred | near Boston |
| 14:36.55 | aitor | yes, i remember |
| 14:37.11 | fsmithred | ok, I think the one I took down was the replacement for the bad one |
| 14:37.19 | fsmithred | and I just wanted to make some extra space |
| 14:37.34 | aitor | https://www.google.es/search?q=gorras+de+boston&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAh8D905vPAhWF6xQKHV4tBRAQsAQITQ&biw=1280&bih=656 |
| 14:37.42 | fsmithred | btw, I'll be happy when the official devuan live gets done, so I can take down the unofficials |
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| 14:38.13 | fsmithred | not a baseball fan |
| 14:38.27 | fsmithred | anyway, I'll upload it to the ibiblio site |
| 14:40.10 | Gargravarr | fsmithred: you part of the project? |
| 14:40.25 | fsmithred | not officially, but I'm somewhat involved |
| 14:40.55 | Gargravarr | okies |
| 14:41.12 | Gargravarr | know anyone who could take a look at packages.devuan.org? |
| 14:41.16 | Gargravarr | i keep getting timeouts |
| 14:42.03 | fsmithred | aitor, upload will be done in about 20 min. http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ |
| 14:42.46 | fsmithred | Gargravarr, I'm not sure who would fix that. nextime jaromil hellekin ^^^ packages.devuan.org |
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| 14:43.07 | fsmithred | brb |
| 14:43.43 | aitor | ok, thanks |
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| 14:55.08 | aitor | the size of the iso is 68.8 mb :) |
| 14:56.21 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.58 | aitor | see you later |
| 15:01.27 | fsmithred | it's 570M, and the md5sum on the uploaded copy is good. |
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| 15:42.48 | golinux | Someone finally fixed the cert on discourse. Would be nice if that didn't happen again a few months down the line . . . |
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| 15:50.27 | Gargravarr | "discourse" |
| 15:50.33 | Gargravarr | sounds like you have bigger problems |
| 15:53.57 | golinux | Yeah, someone not keeping track of when the certs expire or whatever the problem was |
| 15:54.49 | Gargravarr | or using discourse |
| 15:54.54 | Gargravarr | i don't hear good things about it :) |
| 15:55.29 | golinux | Some testimonials: http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=600 |
| 15:56.04 | golinux | It's pretty much a 'dead zone'. |
| 15:56.15 | golinux | Discourse that is |
| 15:57.14 | golinux | This says it all: ". . . the forum design over there is a bit perplexing given the philosophy that gave birth to Devuan in the first place." |
| 15:58.21 | Gargravarr | discourse - the systemd of forums |
| 16:00.49 | golinux | Bingo! |
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| 16:09.20 | Gargravarr | updates an Ubuntu box and notes APT telling him /etc/sudoers has changed |
| 16:09.25 | Gargravarr | now, i wonder why that is... |
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| 19:28.03 | Centurion_Dan | Gargravarr: I suspect it's the debian httpredir that debians packages are pulled from that doesn't work for you. What area are you located in and what mirror would you normally use. |
| 19:28.08 | Centurion_Dan | ?? |
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| 19:31.08 | Gargravarr | Centurion_Dan: auto.mirror.devuan.org / packages.devuan.org, same result with either |
| 19:31.20 | Gargravarr | i'm located in the UK and am proxied through a VPN in London |
| 19:31.42 | Gargravarr | it finally worked, it would download a couple of packages, stall and repeat when cancelled |
| 19:32.17 | Centurion_Dan | Gargravarr: both of those use httpredir to pull packages from debians pool. |
| 19:32.53 | Gargravarr | hasn't been a problem before, updates have JustWorked |
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| 19:37.43 | Centurion_Dan | httpredir has it's moments. I can set up a redirect on packages.devuan.org to point to specific upstream debian mirrors - but that would require knowing what good mirrors there are. |
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| 19:48.33 | Gargravarr | what's it set to at present? |
| 19:50.13 | Centurion_Dan | httpredir is a dns redirector that is supposed to round robin the best mirrors nearest to you. |
| 19:52.46 | Centurion_Dan | if you know of reliable debian mirrors for your country/area then I can setup url's specific to for them. |
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| 20:09.45 | Gargravarr | i tend to use this: |
| 20:10.14 | Gargravarr | http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ |
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