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| 00:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | 22 |
| 00:25.06 | golinux | 74 |
| 00:38.30 | MinceR | 42 |
| 00:40.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | e |
| 00:46.26 | golinux | probably missed the point of this numerical conversation |
| 00:49.32 | primalz | mine was a mistyped /25 :) |
| 00:54.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | my e was a mistyped Pi |
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| 01:12.38 | robert-e | "golinux probably missed the point of this numerical conversation"....robert-e missed it for sure...lol |
| 01:17.00 | MinceR | my 24 was an attempt to start a countdown |
| 01:25.06 | golinux | robert-e: I ran refracta vdev img in qemu and got the same error on sound "alsa error:snd_pcm_open failed. Permission denied." |
| 01:26.13 | golinux | It also wouldn't see my usb scanner/printer or usb flash |
| 01:26.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | my 22 were the minutes of post |
| 01:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | could have waited til 23, but then nobody had noticed |
| 01:27.37 | golinux | I was thinking age |
| 01:27.43 | golinux | ;) |
| 01:28.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was aware the 25 was a mistyped /25 most likely |
| 01:28.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | seeing this sort of "mistype" every 2 weeks |
| 01:30.05 | pydsigner | golinux: Aw man I was going to make that joke for you |
| 01:30.55 | robert-e | golinux: fsmithred indicated that it was a permissions problem in /dev/snd/timer. It is on the list to fix. |
| 01:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | now *I* am losing the context. What's a joke in age:23 (except it would be so awesome) |
| 01:31.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather 22 |
| 01:32.34 | golinux | I have absolutely no desire to be any other age than where I am now. |
| 01:32.58 | robert-e | Docscrutinizer05: If I did the thing now that I did when I was 22, they would put me away! No thanks. |
| 01:33.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't minf 22 when I had the experience and knowledge of today |
| 01:33.38 | golinux | 20 somethings are idiots. I was clueless back then. At least in some ways . . . |
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| 01:34.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | but heck I could cope with booze back when ;-P |
| 01:35.01 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: If I were 22 and had the understanding I do now, the burden of such a long future before me would be unbearable. |
| 01:35.10 | robert-e | Golinux: back on track..you could try changing the perms on /timer and see if sound works in "user"...if you drop to root, it will work without change. |
| 01:35.23 | golinux | has never been into alcohol |
| 01:37.26 | golinux | robert-e: OK I'll try that next time I'm in there. I should do a usb with persistence. I can barely work around an unfamiliar environment right down to the speed of the mouse clicks. |
| 01:38.07 | golinux | fsr must drink a lot of coffee. I can't double click that fast! |
| 01:38.23 | robert-e | golinux: for it to see a flash drive, you need to mount the device, and then choose the partition to mount...is a two step operation, but I like it better than using an automount tool. |
| 01:40.19 | golinux | I didn't see the device but may have missed it. I tried tried fsr's usbpmount launcher |
| 01:40.22 | robert-e | golinux: Yes, the thing run really fast off the flash drive. I am impatient for the little bugs to get fixed...the scanner problem seems to be a vdev thing...rrq is looking at that. |
| 01:41.04 | golinux | I checked groups and user was in all the appropriate ones. |
| 01:42.13 | golinux | I have to be in just the right mood to try something new. I move kinda slow these days |
| 01:43.04 | robert-e | golinux: heh, you are younger than me..you need more coffee earlier in the day...lol...with that I will duck and run. |
| 01:43.19 | golinux | I'll probably wait till fsr posts an image that doesn't require any intervention to boot from usb |
| 01:44.21 | robert-e | I promised fsmithred that I would do testing for him...since I dont code anymore, it is about all I can do to help. |
| 01:44.30 | golinux | hasn't had any coffee in decades |
| 01:45.23 | robert-e | bbl |
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| 02:02.34 | fsmithred | golinux |
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| 02:10.56 | fsmithred | chgrp audio /dev/snd/timer |
| 02:11.11 | fsmithred | chmod 660 /dev/snd/timer |
| 02:13.19 | fsmithred | need to edit /etc/vdev/actions/sound-alsa-control.act |
| 02:19.03 | golinux | fsmithred: Hi |
| 02:19.12 | fsmithred | hi |
| 02:19.27 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.49 | fsmithred | you have to do that every time if you're running read-only |
| 02:20.00 | golinux | Foods about ready so just dropped in for a sec |
| 02:20.08 | fsmithred | if I didn't already do it, I'll post the edited file on ml |
| 02:20.16 | golinux | Understood. Need to dd a usb |
| 02:20.34 | fsmithred | you just booting img in qemu? |
| 02:21.10 | golinux | I searched mail for snd_pcm_open in dng and nothing |
| 02:21.21 | golinux | Yeah this aft |
| 02:21.47 | golinux | Wanted to see if it would boot. |
| 02:22.15 | golinux | OK food time bbl |
| 02:22.15 | fsmithred | ok, go eat |
| 02:23.17 | golinux | is actually watching the new season of Indian Summers at the same time . . . 1935 India, British occupation, rebellion etc. |
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| 03:40.05 | rrq | reboert-e: you can adapte /etc/vdev/actions/scanner.act for your scanner by replacing 255/255/255 with 255/0/255 |
| 03:40.58 | rrq | separately, for some reasons, "scanner" is not a defined USB device class. |
| 03:44.54 | rrq | sorry: ^^^^ for robert-e my fingers run astray |
| 03:46.35 | golinux | rrq: Printer/scanner wasn't recognized here either. Or USB stick |
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| 04:16.33 | rrq | check lsusb -v | grep -E 'Bus|bDevice' |
| 04:16.43 | rrq | find scanner and three lines following |
| 04:18.09 | rrq | perhaps email me the "lsusb -v | grep -E 'Bus|bDevice|bInterface' output |
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| 04:22.33 | golinux | rrq: I will do that tomorrow. |
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| 05:56.33 | robert-e | fsmithred: rrq: booted the vdev (rw). Made sure that the persistant partition was mounted (was). deleted the S0vdev link from /etc/rcS.d..did the fixes that rrq suggested for audio and scanner. |
| 05:58.18 | robert-e | fsmithred: rebooted...the changes I made were lost...ie the s0vdev link was back, and the scanner/audio changes were back to before the changes...I think the persistance is somehow not working. |
| 05:59.54 | robert-e | fsmithred: Oh yes..I also used gparted to expand the persistance partition...report success...I checked the flash drive in another machine..and was indeed resized. |
| 06:01.53 | robert-e | fsmithred: rrq: I suppose that until the changes can be made persistant, that I will not be able to check out your suggestions?? That said, I will do whatever tests I can for you. |
| 06:03.02 | robert-e | rrw: fsmithred: Midnite here...going zzzzz...will check in tomorrow morning. Good nite. |
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| 20:15.10 | aitor | Lydia_K is known now as Centurion_Lydia_k |
| 20:15.23 | Lydia_K | LOL, what? |
| 20:15.38 | aitor | oh, are you there? |
| 20:15.50 | aitor | oh, my darling |
| 20:16.09 | aitor | my darling Lydia_K |
| 20:16.15 | aitor | :) |
| 20:16.40 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 20:17.02 | Lydia_K | What's with the whole "Mother of Den" thing? |
| 20:17.15 | aitor | jordila is allways quiting |
| 20:17.55 | aitor | i know what den mother means.. |
| 20:19.00 | aitor | save.. i haven't any mouse |
| 20:19.34 | Lydia_K | O.o |
| 20:20.22 | aitor | i thought that golinux was Den's mother |
| 20:20.44 | Lydia_K | golinux: is totally the den mother if I were to give that title to anyone. |
| 20:20.45 | aitor | Den = Dennis Roio (aka jaromil) lol |
| 20:20.55 | Lydia_K | LOL, I'm not his mom! |
| 20:21.11 | aitor | i know |
| 20:21.24 | golinux | Neither am I |
| 20:21.47 | aitor | but i was sure that he/she was his mother |
| 20:21.49 | golinux | aitor misinterpreted "den mother" and it's now a standing joke . . . |
| 20:22.37 | aitor | you explained to me in a private msg :) |
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| 20:23.15 | aitor | oh, jordila is connected again... |
| 20:23.31 | aitor | he/she never speak |
| 20:24.28 | aitor | what a shynees ! |
| 20:24.52 | aitor | shyness? |
| 20:25.03 | fsmithred | yeah, second way |
| 20:25.15 | aitor | :) |
| 20:25.16 | Lydia_K | Well that was fast. |
| 20:25.37 | aitor | oh, jordilla has quit again ! |
| 20:25.41 | fsmithred | I wonder how many of the names in here are systemd spies keeping tabs on us |
| 20:26.08 | Lydia_K | well that guy "sysd4lyfe" for sure |
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| 20:26.29 | fsmithred | decoy |
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| 20:27.36 | aitor | oh. my mouse works now ! |
| 20:28.18 | aitor | fsmithred: we have the following scheme. |
| 20:28.38 | aitor | vdev provides udev |
| 20:29.07 | aitor | vdev depends on libudev1-compat |
| 20:29.39 | aitor | libudev1-compat breaks with libudev1 |
| 20:29.41 | MinceR | 12 221702 < Lydia_K> What's with the whole "Mother of Den" thing? |
| 20:29.47 | MinceR | someone didn't know what 'den' means |
| 20:30.13 | fsmithred | den=where the wolves live. |
| 20:30.22 | aitor | udev depends on libdev1 |
| 20:31.18 | aitor | so, both udev and libudev1 will be unsintalled if you install vdev |
| 20:31.33 | fsmithred | aitor, have you and ralph been sharing ideas, or are you working separately? |
| 20:31.47 | fsmithred | yeah, that's probably how it should work for real |
| 20:32.00 | aitor | oh, i'm working separatelly |
| 20:33.21 | fsmithred | probably need to merge some stuff at some point. |
| 20:33.42 | aitor | yes |
| 20:34.15 | fsmithred | so if I install from guinos repo now, will it remove udev? |
| 20:34.24 | fsmithred | gnuinos |
| 20:34.47 | aitor | he lives in australia, or new zeland |
| 20:35.02 | fsmithred | yeah, timing is difficult |
| 20:35.12 | aitor | i'm not an owl |
| 20:35.39 | aitor | gnuinos repos? |
| 20:35.46 | aitor | no, still not |
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| 20:36.04 | aitor | who is *? |
| 20:36.15 | fsmithred | you gonna put it there, or just make debs available |
| 20:36.17 | fsmithred | ? |
| 20:36.40 | aitor | i'll put it there |
| 20:36.50 | MinceR | http://www.oldgames.sk/en/gallery.php?gallery=286&image=8157 |
| 20:36.59 | fsmithred | ok, let me know when. I have a virgin installation waiting |
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| 20:37.29 | aitor | fsmithred, read here: |
| 20:37.30 | aitor | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
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| 20:39.32 | aitor | you take too lond... |
| 20:40.09 | aitor | why don't you click in the link' |
| 20:40.30 | aitor | fsmithred? |
| 20:40.36 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 20:40.40 | fsmithred | yeah, stepped away for a minute |
| 20:41.01 | aitor | oh, Centurion_Dan ! |
| 20:41.09 | fsmithred | hi |
| 20:41.21 | aitor | my idol ! |
| 20:42.20 | fsmithred | aitor, I don't click that link, because it doesn't work for me in firefox. I have a special button that opens that page in akuli-webbrowswer |
| 20:42.26 | aitor | i'm more linnet than you |
| 20:42.36 | fsmithred | linnet? |
| 20:42.42 | aitor | i would click in the link |
| 20:43.06 | aitor | is it right? |
| 20:43.38 | fsmithred | noun |
| 20:43.38 | fsmithred | a mainly brown and gray finch with a reddish breast and forehead. |
| 20:43.39 | aitor | what means linnet, then? |
| 20:43.50 | fsmithred | never heard of it |
| 20:44.00 | fsmithred | finch is a bird |
| 20:44.58 | aitor | sorry, a bad translation, lol... |
| 20:46.26 | aitor | Centurion_Dan desappeared |
| 20:47.57 | aitor | fsmithred: see you tomorrow :) |
| 20:48.12 | fsmithred | ok, bye |
| 20:48.19 | aitor | :) |
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| 21:07.33 | fsmithred | robert-e, hi |
| 21:12.27 | robert-e | fsmithred: Hi, sorry I was on another window..How are you doing? |
| 21:12.49 | fsmithred | good. did you get that link deleted? |
| 21:14.18 | robert-e | Yes, and did the other things that ralph suggested. Problem was that when I rebooted, the link was back and all ralph's suggested changes were reverted. I think that somehow my persistance is not working. |
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| 21:15.10 | fsmithred | look in the root of the second partition - there should be a file called persitence.conf. |
| 21:15.39 | fsmithred | hi n4dir |
| 21:15.57 | golinux | n4dir: hi |
| 21:16.06 | golinux | Tha gang's all here! |
| 21:16.33 | robert-e | Let me check with you...I boot off the usb, choose the vdev (rw) on the grub/boot screen. That eventually starts x. I then mount the persistance pertition, and then another flash drive, to save/load files. |
| 21:16.51 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:17.16 | fsmithred | first time you boot, boot read-only (first or second choice in the boot menu) |
| 21:17.29 | fsmithred | run gparted to make the second partition bigger. |
| 21:17.33 | robert-e | I then start a root terminal, and remove the vdev link, and then edit the files that Ralph wanted. It continues to work fine, but if I shutdown and restart, everything is reverted. |
| 21:18.22 | fsmithred | second boot, choose one of the rw choices. Then you can delete S03vdev and it should stay away. |
| 21:18.36 | robert-e | I did run gparted and did enlarge the partition and then checked the stick in another computer, and it was indeed enlarged. |
| 21:18.55 | fsmithred | ok, then if you boot rw, changes should stick. |
| 21:20.13 | fsmithred | any files you save or change should get saved to the persistent partition. If you look at it when plugged into another system, you should see /var /etc /home but they will only have a few files - the ones that were changed |
| 21:20.51 | robert-e | Well, I did expand the partition before I went to sleep last night, and this morning booted the rw selection, did the changes (again), rebooted, and all was reverted. Not understanding why I should use the |
| 21:21.02 | robert-e | read only choice first? |
| 21:21.13 | fsmithred | because you can't resize a mounted partition |
| 21:21.49 | robert-e | Oh, I see...I had gparted unmount it first. |
| 21:21.56 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 21:21.58 | fsmithred | um |
| 21:22.05 | fsmithred | that makes no sense to me |
| 21:22.20 | fsmithred | you asked gparted to unmount a partition when you were using it |
| 21:22.36 | fsmithred | normally, it will refuse to do that |
| 21:22.58 | n4dir | moin fsmithred golinux |
| 21:22.59 | robert-e | Heh..me neither...that is why I quit and went to sleep last night...to get a fresh look this morning..but no change. |
| 21:23.05 | fsmithred | I don't know if you did anything weird to it. |
| 21:23.18 | fsmithred | maybe partition is bigger but filesystem is still same size |
| 21:23.33 | fsmithred | I would reboot ro and resize it again, even if by a few MB |
| 21:24.09 | fsmithred | or save a copy of persistence.conf and re-make the partition and filesystem |
| 21:24.13 | robert-e | I will put it into another machine, and do a resize again...bet it wont make any dif...lol |
| 21:24.16 | fsmithred | then copy persistence.conf back |
| 21:26.18 | robert-e | ctually, I think I will dd the img back onto the stick, and start over..that way anything funky that could have happened will be eliminated from the equation. |
| 21:27.40 | fsmithred | good plan |
| 21:28.13 | fsmithred | for curiosity, mount that second partition, and compare what fdisk -l says vs. df -h |
| 21:29.27 | robert-e | OK, Will do that just before I reimage it. |
| 21:29.48 | fsmithred | maybe letting gparted unmount it just slipped you into ro mode. |
| 21:31.25 | robert-e | Hard to know..I am not all that up on setting up a persistant partition on an os...Abt the only experience I have is with tails...and I dont use that anymore since it now uses systemd. |
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| 21:34.07 | fsmithred | we need to make a sysV tails? |
| 21:35.01 | robert-e | I wish..one cannot talk to the tails dev, since they do not allow comments on their site. I think they wear blinders. |
| 21:35.06 | MinceR | more like a devuan tails |
| 21:36.18 | robert-e | I used to use it when travelling back and forth to california, to check mail at some pulic/unknown hot spots. Now I only use the cell fone connection |
| 21:38.03 | robert-e | fsmithred: Well, I will get out of here, and do those checks..will let you know what turns out. |
| 21:38.29 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 21:38.47 | robert-e | np happy to help out. bbl |
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| 21:48.19 | robert-e | fsmithred: did; fdisk reports (2 lines): |
| 21:48.28 | robert-e | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.58 | robert-e | dev/sdd1 * 2048 1722367 860160 b W95 FAT32 |
| 21:50.19 | robert-e | dev/sdd2 1722368 11266047 4771840 83 Linux |
| 21:50.49 | robert-e | and df -h reports: |
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| 21:51.11 | robert-e | dev/sdd1 839M 753M 86M 90% /media/rob/r8_vdev |
| 21:51.34 | robert-e | dev/sdd2 4.5G 3.1M 4.2G 1% /media/rob/live-rw |
| 21:52.15 | robert-e | I has tos remove the / at the line start otherwise it would not post to the channel. |
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| 21:53.02 | robert-e | bbl |
| 21:53.08 | fsmithred | ok,thanks |
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| 23:52.02 | robert-e | fsmithred: Re-imaged the stick. booted to read only, ran gparted, expanded to 4 gigs. rebooted to vdev (rw)..mounted the persistance partition. Remove the S03vdev file, did the sound and scanner edits. |
| 23:53.56 | robert-e | fsmithred: rebooted again to vdev (rw). Mounted the persistance image. Persistance file was still there. Checked /etc/rcS.d, and the S03vdev file was back and the other edits were again reverted. |
| 23:54.29 | robert-e | fsmithred: persistance does not work, at least for me. Sorry. |
| 23:55.54 | robert-e | fsmithred: persistance imag -> persistance partition (above) |
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| 23:57.27 | golinux | fsmithred: Not good news here either. Same as robert-e |
| 23:58.12 | golinux | But dang I forgot to delete the 503vdev file. |
| 23:59.32 | golinux | I checked in gparted after booting to rw - did it twice - and the ext2 partition was NOT mounted |