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| 00:07.41 | jemadux | my primary disto is debian gnu/linux but devuan supports only 2 architectures (x86 x64 ) but debian supports more architectures |
| 00:09.32 | golinux | Huh? https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ |
| 00:11.54 | jemadux | debian amd64arm64armelarmhfi386mipsmipselpowerpcppc64els390x |
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| 00:33.29 | iio7 | Where to file bug reports? |
| 00:37.09 | iio7 | Since I have upgraded from Debian to Devuan I can no longer use the "shutdown" command, nor can I use a "hard shutdown". The box boots down, but freeze at a black monitor, the fan and hd is still spinning - always resulting in an unclean shutdown! I then plugged in another hd and installed Void Linux and the shutdown works perfectly there too. |
| 00:37.41 | iio7 | I need to file this as a bug and I need a solution as this causes my drive to shut off with an unclean journal. |
| 00:38.35 | MinceR | afaik bug reports go under their respective projects at https://git.devuan.org/ |
| 00:43.35 | iio7 | I already have a Gitlab account, why is it not possible to sign in on that page? |
| 00:46.50 | iio7 | I give up! To much crap with this! |
| 00:51.35 | iio7 | Why the hell is it not possible to sign in a create a bug report? |
| 00:59.04 | iio7 | Great channel, fantastic distro.. yeeeeeeah! |
| 01:05.54 | Chanku | because it's running on the Devuan Servers and not from gitlab :P |
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| 10:06.21 | ryuujin | hi |
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| 10:35.08 | fsmithred | ping rrq - I've got questions about 1.1 (and no keyboard/mouse in X if I boot with udev.) |
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| 13:33.24 | anigma_ | Howdy. I'm doing an expert install and keep getting an error while downloading the release files from auto.mirror.devuan.org - I'm not sure if this has something to do with my network connection in vmware or if the mirrors are slow at this time. Anyone having similiar issues? |
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| 13:46.14 | fsmithred | anigma_, I did an update and installed one package about an hour ago with no problems or delays |
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| 14:07.10 | anigma_ | fsmithred: I think it might be my network connection within vmware. Dropped to a terminal and was not able to ping anything from the outside. |
| 14:07.26 | anigma_ | Oh, he left.... |
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| 19:22.58 | whitephoenix0 | Hey guys, just had a quick question, does devuan use a kernel without proprietary blobs or the linux-libre kernel? |
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| 19:29.05 | fsmithred | whitephoenix0, devuan uses the stock debian kernels |
| 19:29.28 | whitephoenix0 | ah alright thanks |
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| 20:38.21 | aitor | whitephoenix0: are you still there? |
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| 20:41.41 | aitor | whitephoenix0: linux-libre will be available for devuan in several versions |
| 20:44.01 | aitor | Thanks to Alexandre Oliva :) |
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| 20:45.24 | golinux | aitor: whitephoenix0 isn't logged in atm. |
| 20:45.46 | golinux | Maybe will look in the logs to see your message |
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| 20:46.51 | aitor | ok, i can see in th right side... |
| 20:47.26 | aitor | but there is no whitephoenix0, neither in black, neither in grey... |
| 20:47.35 | golinux | or any color |
| 20:48.10 | golinux | I know that someone isn;t here when the tab completion doesn't work |
| 20:48.35 | aitor | more people is missing... |
| 20:48.43 | aitor | figldev |
| 20:49.01 | golinux | Folks come and go on irc |
| 20:49.16 | OmegaPhil | IRC is for idlers |
| 20:49.26 | aitor | Sir Archibald... |
| 20:49.40 | Lydia_K | people get busy, then they are not busy again and become active. |
| 20:50.32 | aitor | oh, Lydia_k |
| 20:50.45 | golinux | OmegaPhil: Not too judgmental, I see :rolleyes: |
| 20:50.59 | OmegaPhil | Idlers! |
| 20:51.30 | aitor | i'm not an idler |
| 20:51.57 | Lydia_K | I've been pretty idle lately. |
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| 20:52.41 | golinux | OmegaPhil: It's where the tribe meets! |
| 20:53.03 | aitor | golinux: you are awake all the time |
| 20:53.06 | golinux | And bonds . . . |
| 20:53.08 | OmegaPhil | youre making me lose my idle points |
| 20:53.30 | golinux | aitor: hardly |
| 20:53.42 | OmegaPhil | Shes just a perl script |
| 20:53.53 | golinux | LOL! |
| 20:53.56 | aitor | i suppose |
| 20:54.34 | aitor | a perl script? golinux? |
| 20:55.29 | Lydia_K | Me? I'm not a perl script! |
| 20:55.34 | Lydia_K | I was upgradded years ago. |
| 20:55.46 | OmegaPhil | Tcl now |
| 20:55.49 | Lydia_K | "upgrayedd" |
| 20:55.57 | debdog | hehe |
| 20:57.19 | aitor | is Lydia_K a robot driven by golinux? |
| 20:57.57 | golinux | golinux drives no one and is driven by no one |
| 20:58.01 | aitor | you are allways awake |
| 20:58.12 | golinux | Not so |
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| 20:59.08 | golinux | Computer is off maybe 10 hrs a day |
| 21:00.11 | golinux | Wanna move this idle chatter to #debianfork? |
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| 21:00.59 | aitor | i still didn't use #debianfork |
| 21:02.11 | Lydia_K | syntax error |
| 21:03.09 | aitor | syntax error, where? |
| 21:03.17 | golinux | grammar police |
| 21:03.29 | aitor | where :) |
| 21:03.36 | golinux | We know what you meant though . . . |
| 21:03.41 | Lydia_K | ya'll missed the joke :p |
| 21:04.05 | golinux | Guess I did |
| 21:04.10 | aitor | i don't understand |
| 21:04.52 | golinux | Lydia_K: Please don't confuse aitor! |
| 21:05.16 | aitor | now i'm connected to #debianfork, and i'm alone |
| 21:05.44 | golinux | No there are 120 folks logged in atm |
| 21:05.59 | Lydia_K | #debianfork |
| 21:06.14 | Lydia_K | golinux: I tried not to confuse him! |
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| 21:09.50 | aitor | are they all from australia or new zeland? |
| 21:10.56 | aitor | oh, some people appeared in #debianfork ! |
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| 21:28.01 | fsmithred | rrq, are you around? |
| 21:29.24 | rrq | ... just woke up .. but don't have much time right now |
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| 21:31.44 | fsmithred | hi |
| 21:32.04 | fsmithred | I installed the 1.1 debs and I lose mouse and keyboard when I'm in X |
| 21:32.30 | fsmithred | and I have a live-iso ready that's made with the 1.0 debs plus some changes in act files |
| 21:37.02 | rrq | It needs a final manual hands on to opt in vdev over udev in rcS.d |
| 21:37.53 | rrq | update-rc.d udev disable ; update-rc.d udev-finisih disable ; update-rc.d vdev enable S |
| 21:38.42 | rrq | the other change was to libudev1-compat, which now is declared to procide, conflict with and replace libudev1 |
| 21:38.56 | rrq | provide |
| 21:40.08 | rrq | that should make the original libudev1.so go away and install a new one |
| 21:40.12 | fsmithred | I'm disabling both and starting them manually at boot |
| 21:40.31 | fsmithred | well, semi-manual - menu item for a startup script for each |
| 21:41.03 | fsmithred | ah, ok, I think I want to keep the real libudev for booting to udev |
| 21:41.17 | fsmithred | for now, not for eternity. just for testing |
| 21:41.26 | fsmithred | I want to make it easy for more people to test |
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| 21:43.18 | rrq | agree ; though didn't work with just changing the lib link... but maybe the other is better... |
| 21:43.54 | rrq | I didn't like the idea of "now using vdev" and then not using libudev1-compat |
| 21:44.09 | rrq | maybe it needs a switching tool... |
| 21:44.22 | rrq | needs to rush very soon |
| 21:44.37 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:44.47 | fsmithred | we'll figure it out |
| 21:45.09 | fsmithred | so with 1.0 it's not using libudev1-compat? |
| 21:45.47 | rrq | didn't seem to unless you manually changed the link... (I might have been mistaken about it too) |
| 21:45.56 | rrq | (memory is fading) |
| 21:46.14 | fsmithred | ok, I'll look around. you don't mean the init script link, right? |
| 21:46.49 | rrq | no the link named /lib/*/libudev1.so.1 |
| 21:47.01 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:47.10 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 21:47.35 | fsmithred | I'm gonna upload the iso. I know of at least one person who wants to try it. |
| 21:47.47 | fsmithred | can always replace it with another one later. |
| 21:52.54 | AntoFox | stupid question: |
| 21:52.54 | AntoFox | If I make a fork of any program that GPL3 license or GPL2, I can put the devuan logos even if they are not in the official repo? |
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| 22:04.23 | robert-e | fsmithred: Where will/did you upload your (most recent) iso...I will try it in a virtual machine, and if it works out, will install it on a real hd. Thx |
| 22:05.26 | robert-e | install/load |
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| 22:12.22 | fsmithred | will upload it in a little while |
| 22:12.43 | fsmithred | I want to reboot and test on this machine to make sure it still sees my printer. |
| 22:14.06 | fsmithred | robert-e, I'm planning to be back here in 10 - 15 minutes if all goes well. |
| 22:14.16 | robert-e | fsmithred: No hurry..I have a few excess hds that I experiment with..and lots of time to do..retired and all that. thanks for all your work. |
| 22:14.57 | fsmithred | excellent |
| 22:15.31 | fsmithred | ok bb in a few |
| 22:22.52 | neo42 | hm, reading https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev/commit/ceb7a6c4f44dec542dc1c3c3d5abd27dec7f3e0e |
| 22:23.02 | neo42 | "This system is mothballed" |
| 22:23.07 | neo42 | doesn't sound too good |
| 22:23.41 | neo42 | is it really a good idea to invest time on vdev? |
| 22:24.18 | neo42 | i.e. do we actually have someone who can do real upstream development and not just packaging work |
| 22:28.53 | robert-e | neo42: I believe it is true that Jude Nelson has not worked on vdev for quite a while; that said, in reading the mailing list, it appears that some are actively working on vdev currently. |
| 22:36.17 | neo42 | robert-e, just hoping you are not betting on the wrong horse |
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| 22:40.11 | golinux | neo42: Search the archices and botbot logd |
| 22:40.15 | robert-e | neo42: Not betting, but I have been reading the ml for a long time now, and have much confidence that vdev will eventually, if not sooner be replacing udev. Open Source makes it happen. |
| 22:40.41 | golinux | *archives |
| 22:40.55 | neo42 | golinux, search the archives for what? |
| 22:40.58 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html |
| 22:41.02 | golinux | vdev |
| 22:41.17 | robert-e | golinux: good day. |
| 22:41.23 | neo42 | golinux, ok, what is that supposed to tell me? |
| 22:41.44 | golinux | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
| 22:41.57 | golinux | Work that is being done on vdev |
| 22:42.14 | golinux | Lot's of testing going on |
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| 22:42.24 | neo42 | golinux, I've seen the packaging work, but as said, I'm worried that there is no real active upstream |
| 22:43.18 | neo42 | packaging is one thing, but have a software which is working 5 years from one something else |
| 22:43.25 | robert-e | neo42: Perhaps go catch up on reading, and then come back for a discussion |
| 22:43.52 | neo42 | robert-e, I've read those |
| 22:44.13 | robert-e | shrugs |
| 22:44.43 | neo42 | robert-e, not sure what you're trying to tell me |
| 22:45.08 | robert-e | bbl |
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| 22:50.54 | golinux | neo42: Your nose is growing . . . |
| 22:52.36 | neo42 | huh? |
| 22:52.45 | golinux | Pinocchio |
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| 22:53.13 | Centurion_Dan | neo42: the whole benefit with open source is that anyone can contribute to it, so the original author moving on is not preventing ongoing development and support. I suspect that once it's packaged and being actively used in Devuan either someone or ideally a team of people will run with it and support it. |
| 22:54.02 | golinux | Centurion-Dan: You know that's already happening |
| 22:54.37 | neo42 | golinux, not sure what you are insinuating here? |
| 22:55.31 | golinux | Either you haven't read it or are not understanding |
| 22:56.04 | Centurion_Dan | It's sad that Jude has been unable to commit time to it, but that isn't a reflection on vdevs capability or supportability. It's core functionality seems to be pretty complete and only once it's getting wider use will we start to see work on bug fixes and improvements to it's core. |
| 22:56.17 | neo42 | I have read it but my concerns are real. I don't see anyone capable yet picking up upstream development |
| 22:57.09 | neo42 | maybe you prove me wrong, but that's just how I see it atm |
| 22:58.12 | Centurion_Dan | neo42: now I strongly disagree with you here. We have quite a number of very capable C programmers in the ranks who are contributing to it's development. |
| 22:58.49 | minnesotags | Very weird conversation. neo42, you have concerns; so? So what? |
| 23:00.53 | Centurion_Dan | neo42: At the moment the focus is getting it packaged for Devuan as that's the next logical step to driving future development on vdev. Just because there has been no changes to vdev's core as part of the packaging is probably more a testament it's good design and implementation then a lack of capability for others to do so. |
| 23:01.35 | neo42 | minnesotags, not sure why this concern is weird. I mean, if you build a distro around a central core piece like the device manager you *have* to be concerned regarding its future |
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| 23:02.46 | neo42 | I mean that upstream commit did concern me, tbh |
| 23:03.33 | minnesotags | Well, if you are concerned, do something about it. Otherwise this is just FUD. |
| 23:04.31 | robert-e | fsmithred: I will be back in an hour or so, to get link. |
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| 23:08.06 | neo42 | minnesotags, you seem to be very passive-agressive, so I guess I'll just leave it at that |
| 23:09.38 | minnesotags | Compared to saying that nobody in the Devuan project has the ability to support vdev? I'm passive aggressive? |
| 23:10.45 | neo42 | that I didn't say |
| 23:11.25 | minnesotags | "I don't see anyone capable yet picking up upstream development" |
| 23:13.12 | golinux | minnesotags: Trolls will be trolls |
| 23:14.25 | minnesotags | :-/ |
| 23:14.53 | neo42 | golinux, oh my |
| 23:15.31 | neo42 | thanks for the insults |
| 23:15.53 | Chanku | what did I walk into? |
| 23:16.15 | minnesotags | I'm excited to see vdev packaged for Devuan. I would like to give it a try. When more people use it and discover issues, I'm confident that Devuan folks will step up and fix them. |
| 23:17.30 | golinux | minnesotags: fsmithred be posting an iso to test soon |
| 23:17.43 | minnesotags | Cool. |
| 23:18.00 | golinux | Troll has moved to #debianfork |
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| 23:30.06 | neo42_ | minnesotags, Centurion-Dan2, I actually find vdev a very interesting project and have been following the dng mailing list on those topics. But what I read so far is explicitly that people involved in the discussions said that they are no C hackers, but they are willing to test and help with packaging |
| 23:30.26 | neo42_ | so that's what that "yet" was referring to. |
| 23:31.32 | neo42_ | it was not an attempt to denigrate people |
| 23:32.24 | gci_admin | I am betting that core parts of Devuan, such as vdev, will be maintained by Devuan developers who *are* C hackers with a fork of upstream if needed. |
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| 23:33.32 | gci_admin | Otherwise I would not be pushing Devuan as an alternative going forward @dayjob. ;) |
| 23:35.15 | fsmithred | back, eating right now. |
| 23:35.17 | minnesotags | Fair enough. |
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| 23:36.02 | fsmithred | the iso I made is kinda lean, so if people tell me what sofware is missing for them to test their hardware, I can add it |
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| 23:48.02 | fsmithred | hour and a half to upload 570MB? |
| 23:50.50 | Chanku | Are you on dialup? |
| 23:51.21 | fsmithred | 110M cable |
| 23:51.24 | fsmithred | 100 |
| 23:51.50 | fsmithred | sourceforge is usually faster than this |
| 23:52.24 | Chanku | ... |
| 23:54.07 | fsmithred | right now the iso is set up so you can choose udev or vdev at boot. I just realized that I don't know what happens to that when you install it. I've been running it from a live-usb when I test it in my main computer. |
| 23:54.38 | fsmithred | I think you might end up with just a vdev initrd after install |
| 23:57.19 | Chanku | ...Nasal Demons.... |
| 23:57.45 | fsmithred | ? |
| 23:57.50 | Chanku | https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en#!msg/comp.std.c/ycpVKxTZkgw/S2hHdTbv4d8J |
| 23:57.52 | Chanku | Nasal Demons |
| 23:57.53 | Chanku | :P |