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| 02:05.08 | slim107821 | welcome golinux |
| 02:05.39 | golinux | Yes? |
| 02:06.06 | golinux | Hello |
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| 08:48.56 | Maikel | Devuan mirror site deployed. Currently syncing. https://devuan.contrast.network/ |
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| 09:36.20 | aitor | hi, jaromil |
| 09:36.41 | aitor | as i said, i want to change the provider of my hosting |
| 09:36.54 | aitor | is opennebula also a hsoting provider? |
| 09:39.00 | aitor | my website is availabel at: |
| 09:39.01 | aitor | gnuinos.cluster007.ovh.net |
| 09:39.12 | aitor | available |
| 09:55.07 | aitor | even though i'm non unhappy with ovh, but i have the reservation of the domain with another provider |
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| 09:58.48 | aitor | the hosting of gnuinos with ovh... |
| 09:59.09 | aitor | and a dedicated server with soyoustar (which belongs to ovh): |
| 09:59.20 | aitor | http://188.165.204.61/ |
| 10:00.03 | aitor | this last one for the repository of gnuinos |
| 10:02.04 | aitor | but, if opennebula is also a hosting provider, maybe i would change to it |
| 10:02.50 | aitor | the dedicated server expires in a few days |
| 10:03.07 | jaromil | aitor: we can also host it on dyne.org servers, lets see |
| 10:03.26 | jaromil | we do friendly hosting of f/oss projects that are related |
| 10:03.35 | aitor | yes? |
| 10:03.36 | jaromil | the complication is that you don't have a static site, but use php |
| 10:03.54 | jaromil | opennebula doesn't, it is a virtualisation technology basically |
| 10:04.01 | aitor | ok |
| 10:04.55 | aitor | i do not wish to complicate matters |
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| 10:08.18 | aitor | i'm not needed of space, maybe only in the case of a complete repository |
| 10:08.48 | aitor | but i'll not be in the short term :) |
| 10:09.11 | aitor | thanks anyway :) |
| 10:10.17 | jaromil | i'm contacting our sysadmin for php enable hosts |
| 10:10.26 | jaromil | now is weekend, but will come back to you on that |
| 10:11.02 | jaromil | gnuinos aims to be 100% free plus is based on devuan so its absolutely eligible to receive help from dyne, at the very least hosting |
| 10:11.37 | aitor | ok, i'm going to visit my father, see you... and have nice day :) |
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| 12:33.21 | aitor | hi Digit |
| 12:37.13 | aitor | remastersys is an old tool developed by a canadian enginer (named Tony Brijensky?) |
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| 12:49.09 | Maikel | I can't seem to get the verification mail of the gitlab from Devuan |
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| 13:03.02 | antofox | hi guys i have 2 questions |
| 13:03.51 | antofox | there is a tool for packaging? |
| 13:04.44 | fsmithred | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:05.33 | antofox | I would be interested in the mate desktop, how to become a manteiner? |
| 13:06.39 | antofox | over a dpkg-buildpackage?? |
| 13:07.17 | fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand the question |
| 13:07.28 | jaromil | hi, if you have experience of debian maintainance then you can already help, if you start from zero then please wait we build all our documentation. I recommend starting from a small package |
| 13:08.20 | Akuli | mate is already in the devuan repositories |
| 13:08.46 | Akuli | only thing i don't like about it is that the power applet doesn't update itself, but if i kill it and start it again it shows the correct battery percentage |
| 13:12.21 | antofox | jaromil: until now I got the packages and have them built for me without making any big changes |
| 13:12.48 | antofox | Akuli: I noticed I also |
| 13:14.04 | Akuli | not a big deal to me though, upower -d shows the current percentage anyway :) |
| 13:14.37 | Akuli | alias bat='upower -d | grep %' |
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| 13:48.52 | pizzaiolo | Hi! I want to upload devuan's logo to Wikipedia. Does anyone know if it's freely licensed? |
| 13:49.49 | GeneralStupid | https://i.warosu.org/data/g/thumb/0457/65/1419447890050s.jpg |
| 13:49.54 | GeneralStupid | OMG why does it look like a penis? :D |
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| 13:52.43 | pizzaiolo | GeneralStupid: lol I think this is the one https://devuan.org/ui/img/devuan-logo-purpy.png |
| 13:53.47 | jaromil | the SVG version is on git (devuan-art repo) |
| 13:54.14 | jaromil | The logo is released as Creative Commons license CC-BY-SA 4.0 international (same as Wikipedia) |
| 13:54.39 | jaromil | the logo is also a registered Trademark by the Dyne.org foundation (needs notice) |
| 13:54.46 | pizzaiolo | neat |
| 13:54.57 | pizzaiolo | thanks jaromil |
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| 13:55.00 | jaromil | welcome! |
| 14:02.09 | pizzaiolo | jaromil: I'm having trouble finding this repo. Do you have the link? |
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| 14:05.18 | fsmithred | pizzaiolo, I think it's this one: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art |
| 14:06.37 | pizzaiolo | great, thanks fsmithred :) |
| 14:06.57 | fsmithred | yw |
| 14:08.29 | MinceR | 04 154954 < GeneralStupid> OMG why does it look like a penis? :D |
| 14:08.34 | MinceR | because it was submitted by a troll |
| 14:10.23 | pizzaiolo | jaromil: I can't find licensing info. Are you sure it's in the repo? I'll need to prove to fellow Wikipedians that it's under a free license |
| 14:10.33 | jaromil | its in the README of the repo |
| 14:11.04 | pizzaiolo | jaromil: the readme says Distribution (TBD) |
| 14:11.18 | jaromil | more info here https://devuan.org/os/legal/trademarks |
| 14:11.49 | pizzaiolo | nice |
| 14:11.59 | jaromil | oh perhaps its not in master branch |
| 14:12.14 | GeneralStupid | MinceR: do you mean its from poettering himself? :D |
| 14:13.19 | jaromil | i have just merged to master |
| 14:13.31 | jaromil | the suites/jessie branch so now you'll find all updates and info in the main repo |
| 14:18.31 | pizzaiolo | jaromil: sweet! |
| 14:20.03 | pizzaiolo | jaromil: I suggest you reword "The logo is released as Creative Commons license CC-BY-SA 4.0 international (same as Wikipedia)." to "The artwork in this repository is released as Creative Commons license CC-BY-SA 4.0 international (same as Wikipedia)." |
| 14:20.08 | pizzaiolo | more broad language |
| 14:20.28 | MinceR | GeneralStupid: not necessarily |
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| 14:33.25 | hellekin | pizzaiolo: we don't know whether all artwork requires the same license. |
| 14:35.15 | pizzaiolo | hmm |
| 14:39.09 | pizzaiolo | hellekin jaromil fsmithred see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Devuan-logo.svg |
| 14:40.24 | hellekin | pizzaiolo: this picture is quite wrong |
| 14:40.27 | fsmithred | what's with the big black box at the bottom? |
| 14:40.49 | hellekin | fsmithred: it's the wrong file |
| 14:41.09 | fsmithred | ah. hm. been there, done that. |
| 14:41.28 | hellekin | pizzaiolo: https://devuan.org/ui/img/devuan-logo-with-registered-trademark-sign.svg is the right image |
| 14:42.05 | pizzaiolo | perfect |
| 14:43.08 | pizzaiolo | fixed |
| 14:44.12 | pizzaiolo | this is looking very strange though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan |
| 14:45.30 | pizzaiolo | fixed that too |
| 14:46.41 | pizzaiolo | all right, thanks all! |
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| 15:22.18 | minnesotags | So, popcon.... the popcon.debian.org graph shows some 400 or so Devuan instances. How does it grab that info? On my native Devuan Jessie installs, there is a devuan_version file. I'm assuming popcon uses the "debian_version" file contents? Is there a separate popcon.devuan.org equivalent? |
| 15:22.53 | minnesotags | Oh, btw, https://popcon.devuan.org/ Once again, with the crap cert issue. |
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| 16:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | OH: "Took us 30 years to fix all the bugs [in Unix/Linux]. It took #systemd less than a year to reintroduce them all again." |
| 16:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://twitter.com/ascherbaum/status/771392009185718272 |
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| 17:35.15 | aitor | antofox: yes, there is a tool over dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:37.27 | aitor | git-buildpackage is a wrap for dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:39.34 | aitor | this week i'll get into the car... |
| 17:39.44 | aitor | distrowatch :) |
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| 22:11.03 | nextime | stupid question |
| 22:11.29 | nextime | anyone would like to suggest an hostname for the machine that will run the new amprolla master repository? |
| 22:12.43 | furrywolf | stupid answer: amplifier |
| 22:12.47 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 22:16.56 | golinux | nextime: How about planetarium? Too long? |
| 22:17.47 | nextime | golinux: yes, too long |
| 22:17.56 | nextime | ( anyway, good one ) |
| 22:18.07 | golinux | orbit? |
| 22:18.28 | nextime | maybe i can use just "earth" |
| 22:18.40 | nextime | as it will be the master repository :) |
| 22:19.45 | nextime | or maybe neo ( as near eath objects ) |
| 22:19.57 | nextime | s/eath/earth |
| 22:20.14 | nextime | but i don't like neo cause it's too inflated as the neo in matrix |
| 22:20.37 | nextime | earth make more sense |
| 22:21.04 | golinux | ampedup? (tribute to amprolla) |
| 22:22.08 | nextime | or kirk ( tribute to startrek ) |
| 22:22.15 | golinux | thinks earth is a little too anthropogenic |
| 22:22.34 | golinux | Heck no! vulcan all the way!! |
| 22:22.45 | nextime | golinux: what about "sun"? after all, all minor planets orbits around sun... |
| 22:23.36 | golinux | Something quirkier would be more memorable |
| 22:23.59 | golinux | mindmeld? |
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| 22:24.41 | MinceR | planearium |
| 22:24.47 | golinux | still has a fondness for Start Trek |
| 22:25.11 | golinux | Oops sorry for the typo. |
| 22:26.01 | MinceR | sol, solarsystem, gravity |
| 22:26.04 | MinceR | gravitywell |
| 22:26.13 | nextime | i like sol |
| 22:26.23 | golinux | too long probably |
| 22:26.48 | nextime | for the moment, sun and sol are the candidate in my mind |
| 22:26.51 | nextime | :) |
| 22:26.55 | nextime | probably sol more than sun |
| 22:27.08 | golinux | yes, if it comes to those two |
| 22:27.43 | golinux | Is the new amprolla ready for action? |
| 22:27.55 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 22:28.23 | nextime | golinux: not yet, but i'm actively working on it |
| 22:28.28 | nextime | hello Centurion_Dan |
| 22:28.54 | Centurion_Dan | Hi nextime, |
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| 22:29.27 | Centurion_Dan | I'm currently working from my inlaws. Just spent the last couple of days with my sister and family |
| 22:29.36 | golinux | bows out after saying hi to Centurion_Dan |
| 22:30.20 | Centurion_Dan | so unfortunately i've not done much hacking the last few days. |
| 22:30.29 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: when you have a couple of minutes, can you please add the missing machines like build-mipsel on keybox? |
| 22:30.41 | Centurion_Dan | hi golinux ;-) |
| 22:30.52 | golinux | :) |
| 22:31.39 | aitor | ces't qu'ils sont fous cest romains! |
| 22:31.41 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: probably will have to wait until wednesday when I'm back in my office. |
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| 22:32.07 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: that's ok, don't worry |
| 22:32.11 | nextime | do that when you can :) |
| 22:32.16 | nextime | no hurry for that |
| 22:32.19 | Centurion_Dan | hi aitor! |
| 22:32.29 | aitor | están locos estos romanos ! |
| 22:32.38 | aitor | his |
| 22:32.46 | nextime | sono pazzi questi romani |
| 22:32.52 | aitor | poor dan |
| 22:33.00 | aitor | poor centurion_dan |
| 22:33.10 | aitor | he can't surf |
| 22:33.12 | nextime | aitor: the question is: where are romans? |
| 22:33.15 | nextime | :) |
| 22:33.21 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: sure. can you send me an email with the details about keybox? |
| 22:33.29 | nextime | or romulans, as we were talking about startrek? |
| 22:33.38 | aitor | centurion_dan can't surf |
| 22:33.54 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: sure |
| 22:34.02 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: actually it's more I don't know, as I haven't tried. |
| 22:34.17 | golinux | aitor: What have you been smoking? |
| 22:34.22 | Centurion_Dan | I might be a natural.. |
| 22:35.01 | aitor | centurion_dan can't surf over withe sharks due to the popcorns |
| 22:35.30 | aitor | isn't it? |
| 22:35.55 | aitor | i don't smoke |
| 22:36.50 | golinux | Mushrooms? |
| 22:37.00 | golinux | Magic ones of course |
| 22:37.05 | aitor | lol, nooooo |
| 22:37.11 | golinux | You're just not making much sense . . . |
| 22:37.56 | golinux | realizes that things get lost in translation |
| 22:41.22 | aitor | centurion_dan, aren't you on holidays? |
| 22:42.46 | Centurion_Dan | aitor, not on holiday, just away from home. still working .... or trying to when not distracted by chatting on irc ;-) |
| 22:42.59 | aitor | ok :) |
| 22:43.09 | golinux | aitor: If you want to call dan try Centurion_Dan |
| 22:43.55 | aitor | i'm calling him/her centurion_dan |
| 22:44.00 | golinux | assumes that irc is case sensitive |
| 22:44.47 | aitor | ok, Centurion_Dan |
| 22:45.18 | golinux | :) |
| 22:45.48 | aitor | with all due respect |
| 22:46.25 | fsmithred | mine auto-corrects case (for names in here) |
| 22:47.11 | aitor | go down on my kenees |
| 22:47.39 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: actually it's not case sensitive, but it is a common courtesy to use it as given. |
| 22:48.07 | golinux | Tab completion doesn't work without proper case here |
| 22:48.20 | fsmithred | xchat or hexchat? |
| 22:48.27 | golinux | xchat |
| 22:48.28 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: go down on my knees |
| 22:48.44 | nextime | irssi does auto-case correction on tab |
| 22:48.51 | aitor | i'm with xchat |
| 22:48.53 | fsmithred | finally found a difference between xchat and hexchat! |
| 22:48.57 | nextime | and the same was on bitchx years ago |
| 22:49.39 | fsmithred | dinner's ready. gotta go. |
| 22:50.08 | golinux | will try another irc client one of these days . . . maybe |
| 22:50.19 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: did you check out my SODelta code yet? |
| 22:50.41 | Centurion_Dan | it's my first real attempt at python, so I may be doing somethings a little odd. |
| 22:50.46 | golinux | really is going to have that stretch |
| 22:52.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think xchat does tab completion with correct case, no matter if you type upper or lower case first 3 chars |
| 22:52.50 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: not yet, but i will do |
| 22:53.09 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: that said I'm probably also probably heavily influenced by your coding style since I've spent so much time studying amprolla. |
| 22:53.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | Centurion_Dan: yep, QED |
| 22:53.17 | Centurion_Dan | how is amprolla2 coming along? |
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| 22:53.50 | aitor | how many DoScrutinizers ! |
| 22:53.57 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer51: QED?? |
| 22:54.00 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: is going well, i think we will start to have something workable on that mimic the features of the actual amprolla in few days |
| 22:54.04 | nextime | and then start to expand it |
| 22:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Quod Erat... no? |
| 22:54.29 | nextime | it's higly modular with support for both internal modules and external plugins |
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| 22:54.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I typed "cen" and then "N900-tab" shift-space on maemo-xchat |
| 22:55.01 | nextime | so, basically every single feature will be a module or a plugin |
| 22:55.14 | nextime | we will override the GIL limitation of python using external plugins |
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| 22:55.34 | nextime | and at the same time integrate yor code will be easy even if we put it in production |
| 22:55.37 | nextime | :) |
| 22:56.16 | Centurion_Dan | cool. Have you pushed anything more to git.d.o yet? |
| 22:56.44 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: yes, there is something online starting to get shape |
| 22:56.55 | nextime | and i will do daily |
| 22:58.07 | Centurion_Dan | I currently have an issue with the algorithm in SODelta when applied to the complex objects and matching on subkeys that I need to work out. |
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| 23:01.38 | Centurion_Dan | I think the delta is correct but the merged result ends up wrong. I'll need to derive some smaller test cases to tease out the issue. |
| 23:01.51 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: excellent. |
| 23:02.18 | Centurion_Dan | I will check that out this afternoon and have a good look over it. |
| 23:03.48 | aitor | is this the code of amprolla 2? |
| 23:03.50 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla/tree/master |
| 23:05.59 | golinux | aitor: try this https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla2 |
| 23:06.14 | aitor | ok, thanks |
| 23:09.00 | nextime | aitor:look at it in the next few days |
| 23:09.10 | nextime | when it will start to be something more usable |
| 23:09.23 | nextime | actually i pushed the scheleton and some libraries and modules |
| 23:09.45 | nextime | but there is not yet the core part that will glue all things :) |
| 23:10.05 | aitor | ok, i'll have a look at it in a couple of weeks |
| 23:10.36 | nextime | anyway, the main and most evident difference between amprolla 1 and 2 |
| 23:10.59 | aitor | is? |
| 23:10.59 | nextime | is that amprolla 1 is a script running at regular intervals in crontab |
| 23:11.05 | nextime | amprolla2 is a daemon |
| 23:11.12 | aitor | ooh |
| 23:11.48 | nextime | also: amprolla 1 just merge different repos |
| 23:12.05 | nextime | amprolla 2 maintain the primary repo and merge others |
| 23:12.15 | nextime | so, it will supersede also dak in devuan |
| 23:13.16 | aitor | will be available the Contents? |
| 23:13.40 | nextime | yes |
| 23:13.49 | aitor | good :) |
| 23:15.22 | aitor | tomorrow i'll try to aply devuan-installer to armhf |
| 23:16.13 | aitor | i have an idea, but i'm no sure it'll work out... |
| 23:17.13 | aitor | you live in milano, isn it? |
| 23:17.25 | nextime | no |
| 23:17.34 | aitor | no? |
| 23:17.41 | aitor | amsterdam |
| 23:18.04 | nextime | i *was* close to milano years ago, varese suburbs |
| 23:18.13 | nextime | now i live in south africa, cape town |
| 23:18.26 | aitor | ooh |
| 23:19.15 | aitor | i saw some videos in youtube, yours... |
| 23:19.53 | nextime | well, of course as an italian emigrated recently |
| 23:20.05 | aitor | i've been several times in italy |
| 23:20.14 | nextime | i go up and down from/to italy/southafrica at least 1 or 2 time per year |
| 23:20.29 | nextime | as i have family and a lot of things in italy |
| 23:20.49 | nextime | but i spend most of my time in the south emisphere |
| 23:20.52 | nextime | :) |
| 23:20.58 | aitor | my cousin is married with an italian |
| 23:21.01 | aitor | rome |
| 23:21.09 | aitor | but they live in apulia |
| 23:21.27 | nextime | i don't even know where apulia is |
| 23:21.29 | nextime | :P |
| 23:21.44 | nextime | ah ok |
| 23:21.51 | nextime | apulia is the english name for puglia |
| 23:22.07 | nextime | new english work learned |
| 23:22.11 | nextime | worD |
| 23:22.32 | aitor | yes, puglia :) |
| 23:24.31 | nextime | sadly italy doesn't live great days in those last decades, and puglia and generally south regions are the more problematic |
| 23:25.16 | aitor | here also bad decades, very bad decades... |
| 23:25.46 | aitor | worse than italy, i think... |
| 23:26.43 | nextime | aitor: the real issue in italy isn't the actual situation, it's a sort of false theatre show thanks to the (rich, very rich) past |
| 23:27.06 | nextime | so, paople actually can live thanks to the wealth of the olders |
| 23:27.07 | aitor | i bougth a book about python |
| 23:27.14 | nextime | the real issue is the future |
| 23:27.30 | nextime | we have globally only 13% of non-working people |
| 23:27.40 | nextime | but for under 35yo it's up to 46% |
| 23:27.47 | nextime | it's matter of time |
| 23:27.51 | nextime | and italy will collapse |
| 23:28.15 | nextime | and i think there is no way to avoid it |
| 23:28.35 | nextime | as the system in italy is a cancer and it's too complex to fix it |
| 23:29.22 | aitor | here there are not political solutions either |
| 23:29.50 | nextime | spain? |
| 23:30.00 | aitor | yes |
| 23:30.19 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: it's a global issue, and only getting worse, but certainly some countries are in worse state the others. |
| 23:30.43 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: :yes, it's global, but at least there are countries that CAN do things to fix it |
| 23:30.55 | nextime | italy isn't in the list |
| 23:31.43 | nextime | with more than 130% of debt over GDP |
| 23:31.45 | aitor | we are without a government for months... |
| 23:31.55 | nextime | and long recession |
| 23:32.01 | aitor | yes |
| 23:32.06 | Centurion_Dan | true, but most will fail to do them and will have to go through a financial collapse also. |
| 23:32.08 | nextime | and corrruption at high level, and those that aren't corrupted are ignorant |
| 23:32.21 | nextime | and 70% of real tax pressure |
| 23:32.29 | nextime | and old population |
| 23:33.02 | nextime | and more than 180000 laws |
| 23:33.21 | nextime | ( and no one know the exact number ) |
| 23:33.32 | Centurion_Dan | indeed, but this is rather OT for this channel ;-) |
| 23:33.35 | nextime | with many laws that contractict itself |
| 23:33.40 | nextime | yes, agree on that |
| 23:33.42 | nextime | :) |
| 23:33.44 | aitor | corrupted people adquire diplomatic positions, and then then they can't be processed |
| 23:34.21 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: you mean prosecuted? |
| 23:34.21 | aitor | in consulates |
| 23:34.35 | nextime | the real issue is that when italy will collapse ( not if, but when ) |
| 23:34.41 | nextime | probably europe will collapse too. |
| 23:34.44 | aitor | yes |
| 23:34.51 | aitor | prosecuted |
| 23:35.16 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: so the UK did the right thing? |
| 23:35.34 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: in the longs, probably, yes |
| 23:35.40 | Centurion_Dan | by voting to leave the UK. But will they get out in time?? |
| 23:35.48 | nextime | IF they will really do that |
| 23:35.56 | nextime | ( i'm not so sure they will ) |
| 23:36.08 | Centurion_Dan | *s/UK/EU/ |
| 23:36.37 | nextime | but for UK the situation was different: they never adopted euro |
| 23:37.01 | nextime | so, even staying in EU, they where in some way protected from the euro zone collapse |
| 23:37.08 | nextime | were |
| 23:37.16 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: I haven't followed recent events, but my impression was that the UK Government although it disliked the decision do seem intent on following through. |
| 23:37.17 | nextime | ok, my english is getting worse, i'm tired :P |
| 23:37.18 | MinceR | even outside the EU, they're controlled by the tories |
| 23:37.21 | MinceR | so they're doomed |
| 23:37.40 | MinceR | and the EPP and the AECR will ensure that the rest of the EU implodes too |
| 23:37.50 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: : yes, cause the exit will probably give issues in short term |
| 23:38.14 | aitor | nextime, CENTURION_DAN: 01:40 here |
| 23:38.17 | MinceR | though if the frency anti-encryption lobbying is any indication, then even the alleged "socialists" want these states to fail |
| 23:38.19 | nextime | and the reasons for the brexit were just bullshit |
| 23:38.28 | aitor | see you tomorrow :) |
| 23:38.31 | nextime | aitor: : i'm in the same timezone |
| 23:38.51 | aitor | lol, so, i can't sleep? |
| 23:39.04 | nextime | aitor: : lol, nono, of course you can |
| 23:39.07 | nextime | gnite :) |
| 23:39.14 | aitor | :) |
| 23:39.42 | aitor | g'nigth too :) |
| 23:40.55 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: indeed. I think it was foolish for territories to abandon their own currencies for a common currency as that took away all the local economic controls, but I guess not having the common currency would have made trade harder. |
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| 23:45.04 | Centurion_Dan | I think there was plenty of bullshit on both sides of the brexit debate but I'm not surprised at the result. |
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| 23:50.18 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: it's a lot more complex. The issue was to go in a single currency without a common finance and economy |
| 23:50.30 | nextime | with different taxation, rules, VAT |
| 23:50.43 | nextime | but with a central common bank |
| 23:51.01 | nextime | and also, there is an history longer than euro |
| 23:51.15 | nextime | before the euro there were the "SME", it was a fixed change between europeans |
| 23:51.30 | nextime | it has failed with an economic crisis in '92 |
| 23:51.44 | nextime | when the italian dept exploded |
| 23:52.31 | nextime | the only way to do that without issues was to do a real europe, both economic and politically united |
| 23:52.37 | nextime | the united states of europe |
| 23:52.51 | nextime | but it wasn't feasible |
| 23:53.03 | nextime | and then the common currency |
| 23:53.32 | nextime | where anyone of the members try to advantage itself at the cost of the others |
| 23:53.36 | nextime | it can't work. |
