| 00:06.07 | nextime | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, soon this explanation on amprolla will be obsoleted by amprolla2 |
| 00:06.09 | nextime | :) |
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| 00:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: I'm more than happy to fix/update the factoid :-) |
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| 04:31.22 | mender27 | Hello everyone :) |
| 04:31.29 | furrywolf | heyas |
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| 04:32.02 | mender27 | I wrote a short blog post on Devuan recently at WordPress (linuxmender). |
| 04:33.13 | mender27 | But I received some weird, negative comments. Mind taking a look? :) |
| 04:33.58 | mender27 | Here's the full link: https://linuxmender.wordpress.com/2016/08/30/on-devuan-and-debian/ |
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| 04:44.39 | ksx4system | mender27: great to see ppl writing about the holy Devuan ;) |
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| 04:44.55 | ksx4system | will read the article later and comment if needed, now goes to sleep |
| 04:45.50 | pydsigner | Looks like saltiness to me |
| 04:46.06 | pydsigner | More than anything actually wrong with the article |
| 04:49.21 | mender27 | As in, the article is wrong or the comments are? |
| 04:49.29 | pydsigner | The comments |
| 04:49.47 | mender27 | I feel there is some prejudice against Devuan in the GNU/Linux community and I'm not sure where it's coming from :/. |
| 04:50.13 | furrywolf | every vote for devuan is a vote for bush! |
| 04:50.28 | mender27 | I mean, usually people get super excited about new projects. |
| 04:50.47 | mender27 | Why diss Devuan then? |
| 04:51.40 | mender27 | So far my experience was very positive and highly satisfying. |
| 04:53.35 | mender27 | Anyhow, has anyone tried the s6 supervisor suite in Devuan? I would like to give it a go and see whether it has actual merits. |
| 05:04.24 | pydsigner | For now I'm pretty happy with openrc |
| 05:06.35 | mender27 | Oh, you put OpenRC on Devuan? :) |
| 05:07.44 | mender27 | That reminds me I should probably write a longish Python + Shell script to automate Gentoo installation :P. |
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| 05:16.22 | pydsigner | I'm not rolling Devuan currently |
| 05:16.56 | mender27 | Manjaro or Gentoo then? |
| 05:22.21 | pydsigner | Manjaro |
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| 12:00.30 | iio7 | Since latest dist-upgrade shutdown command is no longer working. Things closes down, but the computer hangs just before final shutdown and requires a hard shutdown resulting in an un-clean umount of the disk. |
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| 12:13.15 | iio7 | It used to shutdown the computer completely. Maybe the problem actually started when I changed the system from Debian to Devuan. |
| 12:13.23 | iio7 | Any ideas? |
| 12:17.37 | nextime | did you shutdown from where, terminal? desktop? |
| 12:19.31 | nextime | actually never ear someone with your issue as you exposed, but it is known that there are some issues performing operations like suspend or shutdown from desktop due to udisks2 and so on, can be maybe it's something related? |
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| 12:29.42 | iio7 | I have an alias in bash that runs "sudo shutdown -h now" so I just type the alias in the console and the box shuts down. It's my main desktop. |
| 12:30.59 | iio7 | It has been working perfectly for years, but I actually think it was after I changed the box from Debian to Devuan that it stopped working. Everything shuts down, but it halts with no monitor output, but the fan and disk keeps running and it's impossible to do anything but hard shutdown. |
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| 12:54.07 | nextime | iio7: so, it seems that or acpi or the kernel upgrade or maybe something related to umount fs has gone wrong in your upgrade, but as there is no other cases i can't say anything more right now, sorry, more infos are needed to identify where your shutdown fail |
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| 13:04.29 | iio7 | yeah, I have been searching, but no output is provided and I cannot locate anything useful in messages or similar. I have also checked that none of the acpi packages has gone missing etc. |
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| 14:49.20 | golinux | jaromil: Regarding the torrent tracker issue . . . the OP has corrected his typo to this: |
| 14:49.41 | golinux | "I notice that the torrent file uses tracker.openbittorrent.com as one of the public trackers, but that tracker has been down for several months. You may wish to advertise with another public tracker, like opentrackr.org perhaps? |
| 14:49.45 | golinux | " |
| 14:50.17 | furrywolf | most public trackers are perpetually down... |
| 14:50.30 | golinux | https://talk.devuan.org/t/introduce-yourself/15/194 |
| 14:55.12 | primalz | is it the only tracker in the torrent? |
| 14:57.27 | zdzichu | therefore devuan should run it's own tracker |
| 14:57.36 | zdzichu | s/it's/its/ |
| 14:57.56 | primalz | there is a dyne tracker in the torrent |
| 15:00.16 | zdzichu | for exampe using libapache2-mod-bt |
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| 15:23.31 | jaromil | golinux: no problem, that is one of many and we run our own dyne.org tracker as primary |
| 15:23.57 | jaromil | just received the new devuan stickers proof by unixstickers and they are awesome (blink hellekin) |
| 15:27.19 | jaromil | oh this one is from stickermule |
| 15:31.33 | MinceR | :) |
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| 19:46.26 | SaschaKuehl | Hallo, habe gerade einen devuan mirror unter https://devuan.gnulinux.download aufgesetzt. |
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| 22:04.10 | aitor | hi all, i´m with french keayboard now |
| 22:04.39 | aitor | IoFran is now non know |
| 22:04.46 | aitor | as you know now |
| 22:05.22 | aitor | IoFran2 :) |
| 22:06.42 | aitor | IoFran is known |
| 22:07.48 | aitor | french keyboard is very difficult |
| 22:08.55 | aitor | centurion_dan: happy holidays |
| 22:11.30 | aitor | i'll try with Provides: udev = 1.2.3 ... |
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| 22:15.01 | aitor | oh |
| 22:15.05 | fsmithred | hi |
| 22:15.13 | aitor | hi :) |
| 22:15.29 | fsmithred | sorry to hear of the keyboard problem. I feel your pain. |
| 22:15.58 | fsmithred | how's it going with vdev? |
| 22:16.32 | aitor | should i change /etc/vdev/actions by /etc/vdev/actions.examples, or something like that? |
| 22:16.48 | aitor | you used it for the scanner |
| 22:17.07 | fsmithred | I've been working with Ralph's debs this week. |
| 22:17.38 | aitor | and? |
| 22:17.48 | fsmithred | I've got it working pretty well. |
| 22:18.02 | aitor | great new :) |
| 22:18.19 | fsmithred | I posted to dng several times yesterday |
| 22:18.38 | fsmithred | also figured out why lpt printer wasn't showing up |
| 22:18.51 | fsmithred | fixed parport.act and printer.act |
| 22:19.33 | fsmithred | and scanner.act using permissions.sh instead of the scanner.sh that I made (which didn't help much) |
| 22:19.50 | aitor | so, vdev gives a lot of possibilities with the hardware, isn't it? |
| 22:20.18 | fsmithred | I think everything of mine is working, but I don't have a lot of fancy hardware |
| 22:20.40 | aitor | i this the mission of the actions in /etc/vdev? |
| 22:20.49 | fsmithred | one thing I didn't mention - plug in a usb thumb drive, and /dev/disk/by-id links don't get created |
| 22:21.19 | fsmithred | by-uuid and by-label do get created |
| 22:21.50 | fsmithred | yeah, the action files identify the hardware and tell which helper script to use |
| 22:21.58 | fsmithred | the helper script does what needs to be done |
| 22:22.46 | aitor | so, you can configure your own actions for your concrete hardware... |
| 22:23.10 | fsmithred | well, yeah, you can, but I think you shouldn't have to |
| 22:23.13 | aitor | like you did (with Ralph) for the scanner... |
| 22:23.49 | fsmithred | most people just want to use their computers, not figure out how to get their hardware to work |
| 22:24.01 | aitor | yes |
| 22:24.59 | fsmithred | i've been making live isos with vdev and udev, selectable at boot |
| 22:25.23 | fsmithred | I'm tempted to upload one to try to lure more testers into the group |
| 22:25.56 | aitor | interesting, you talked about that in the mailing list, selecting the initrd.img |
| 22:26.03 | fsmithred | yeah, it works |
| 22:26.46 | fsmithred | wrapper scripts around /sbin/init, one starts vdev and then /sbin/init, the other does the same with udev |
| 22:27.33 | fsmithred | have to get rid of the S03vdev in rcS.d so that vdev doesn't start after you boot the udev choice |
| 22:27.55 | aitor | i tested build the kernel, xorg-server, grub with libudev1-compat, and it works |
| 22:28.11 | aitor | i think that that's enough |
| 22:28.34 | fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand what you did. |
| 22:28.53 | aitor | i tested building :) |
| 22:28.55 | fsmithred | you're building packages while running vdev, or you have to build them with support for vdev? |
| 22:29.39 | aitor | i'm building packages in gnuinos with vdev, instead udev |
| 22:29.49 | fsmithred | cool |
| 22:30.15 | aitor | the kernel builds succesfully, goog signal |
| 22:30.22 | aitor | and xorg |
| 22:30.46 | fsmithred | good. Last I checked, xorg in ascii wants libsystemd0 |
| 22:31.12 | aitor | i would replace libudev1-compat by libvdev1 |
| 22:31.52 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.20 | aitor | i have one or two hard disks with ascii, but i used them only for the kernel |
| 22:32.52 | fsmithred | I haven't done anything with ascii lately |
| 22:34.20 | aitor | tomorrow i'll try to solve the issue with the keyboard, this is my only problem for now |
| 22:34.51 | aitor | i'm going to bed :) |
| 22:35.00 | fsmithred | which issue? wrong language? |
| 22:35.20 | aitor | wrong keyboard, but only in graphical mode |
| 22:35.47 | aitor | oh, and maybe the language too |
| 22:35.51 | fsmithred | oh, weird. using lightdm? slim? |
| 22:35.57 | aitor | slim |
| 22:36.16 | fsmithred | ok, I don't know if slim handles languages. |
| 22:37.11 | fsmithred | lighdm lets you choose. xfce also has a keyboard plugin that lets you switch different keyboard layouts |
| 22:37.13 | aitor | upps..., i'll try tomorrow with lightdm, but i want to find out the way... |
| 22:37.38 | fsmithred | do you set locale and keyboard at boot? |
| 22:38.06 | aitor | thanks, it's late for me, see you tomorrow, ok? |
| 22:38.12 | fsmithred | ok, g'night |
| 22:38.16 | aitor | :) |
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