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| 04:49.43 | mender27 | Salutations! |
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| 07:02.18 | aitor | hi |
| 07:03.06 | aitor | i'm building xorg-server with libudev1-compat-dev trying to solve the issue with the keyboard |
| 07:03.22 | aitor | it's building succesfully |
| 07:04.39 | aitor | i'll also replace libudev-udeb by libudeb1-compat-udeb in devuan-installer |
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| 07:06.33 | aitor | >( |
| 07:06.52 | aitor | which means :) in my US keyboard |
| 07:12.11 | aitor | it has built succesfully |
| 07:13.47 | aitor | see you :) |
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| 07:36.50 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 07:36.58 | Centurion_Dan | hi jaromil! |
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| 07:38.35 | aitor | hi again |
| 07:41.48 | aitor | there are still a lot of packages depending on libudev1 |
| 07:42.06 | aitor | consolekit, grub, ... |
| 07:44.30 | aitor | i built xorg-server |
| 07:44.44 | aitor | now i'm going to build xorg |
| 07:44.56 | aitor | my keybord is still american |
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| 08:01.43 | Centurion_Dan | I thought the whole idea of libudev-compat is that it provides libudev's api's. |
| 08:02.39 | Centurion_Dan | That way vdev can provide a drop in replacement for udev... |
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| 08:04.05 | Centurion_Dan | and we won't have to rebuild packages. |
| 08:04.36 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: If libudev-compat isn't ABI/API compliant with libudev, then we need to identify the issues and fix them. |
| 08:05.42 | aitor | i'm rebuilding for verifying it |
| 08:06.26 | aitor | adding Provides: libudev1 doesn't solve the issue |
| 08:08.47 | aitor | i think that the version of libudev1-compat should be the same as libudev's for that |
| 08:22.57 | aitor | see you, centurion, i'mm going to work on armhf |
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| 08:53.42 | rrq | aitor: on my i386 host I removed original libudev1 and have installed vdev's. |
| 08:54.10 | rrq | X seems to work fine... how do I see if this upsets something? |
| 08:56.30 | rrq | I have: libudev.so.1 -> libudev.so.1.5.2 |
| 08:56.49 | rrq | and libudev.so.1.5.2 is from libudev1-compat |
| 08:57.02 | rrq | I have moved away libudev.so.1.5.0 |
| 08:57.19 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: you can do versioned provides, ie Provides: udev = 1.2.3 |
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| 10:53.17 | gnu_srs | Shouldn't a versioned Provides and a Conflicts be sufficient? |
| 10:53.35 | ryuujin | hi |
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| 11:18.12 | fsmithred | rrq, I just tested your suggestions and some variations. See post on dng list. |
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| 11:29.54 | rrq | Ok. And it was the same with as without "daemonlet=true"? |
| 11:34.49 | fsmithred | rrq, no, I had to replace the daemonlet=true with if_exists=run |
| 11:35.09 | rrq | ah.. you can't have both? |
| 11:35.19 | fsmithred | gimme a minute... |
| 11:38.43 | fsmithred | with both, it still works on reboot, but no acl if I unplug/replug |
| 11:39.15 | fsmithred | and that's with the setfacl lines in permissions.sh |
| 11:39.31 | rrq | mmm. about acls: I thought the mode group "scanner" would imply acl group scanner |
| 11:40.48 | rrq | (I don't think I've conciously used acls, really) |
| 11:40.54 | rrq | (ever) |
| 11:41.07 | fsmithred | neither have I |
| 11:41.44 | fsmithred | I compared permissions on udev vs vdev boot |
| 11:42.06 | fsmithred | and also, xsane can't find the scanner without the acl |
| 11:42.54 | rrq | which pathname does xsane look at? |
| 11:44.34 | fsmithred | how do I tell? |
| 11:44.47 | rrq | ... mmm :-) |
| 11:45.00 | fsmithred | oh, start it in terminal, duh |
| 11:46.07 | rrq | would you mind email me an ls -l of /dev/bus/usb ? |
| 11:46.17 | fsmithred | no output in terminal, but xsane started fine, and the acl is gone from uplugging and replugging |
| 11:47.02 | rrq | doesn't need acl then, or implied acl is fine, I suppose |
| 11:47.20 | fsmithred | no clue here. This is all new territory for me. |
| 11:47.53 | rrq | in your action you had used "VAR_GROUP" etc rather than "VAR_PERMISSIONS_GROUP" |
| 11:48.14 | rrq | probably from some early days testing... |
| 11:49.47 | rrq | would you mind ls -l of /dev/bus/usb/*/* actually; |
| 11:53.26 | fsmithred | yeah, on its way |
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| 11:54.00 | fsmithred | I figured out to use VAR_GROUP by looking at Jude's crash course and looking at other action files |
| 11:54.26 | fsmithred | or helper scripts. I don't remember, exactly. |
| 11:57.31 | rrq | looking at permissions.sh it requires the longer for, which also all other scripts are using |
| 11:57.46 | rrq | actions I mean |
| 11:58.36 | rrq | now: your ls -l suggests two scanners?? while your lsusb says one of them is a card reader controller |
| 11:58.42 | rrq | ?? |
| 11:58.56 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't understand that |
| 12:00.06 | fsmithred | long or short VAR works, but it makes sense to do it the way the other files do |
| 12:00.51 | fsmithred | oh, I guess I should see what happens when I insert a card. |
| 12:01.36 | rrq | I suppose there is no action for the "remove" event.. |
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| 12:04.38 | fsmithred | if I remove the usb, permissions revert to root-only |
| 12:05.01 | fsmithred | actually, the whole line disappears, and replugging gives it the next number |
| 12:05.11 | fsmithred | 006 was 005 after reboot |
| 12:05.26 | fsmithred | card works, but didn't change the ls output |
| 12:06.25 | rrq | "remove the usb" means "remove the card reader" I suppose |
| 12:06.52 | fsmithred | no, I meant unplug the scanner |
| 12:07.11 | fsmithred | and the scanner line 002/005 disappears |
| 12:07.19 | fsmithred | on replug it's 002/006 |
| 12:08.02 | rrq | right |
| 12:08.20 | rrq | the 001/003 called scanner is a different issue |
| 12:08.25 | fsmithred | and scanner is still seen after unplug/replug. I think this is working. |
| 12:08.32 | fsmithred | yes, different issue |
| 12:09.10 | rrq | so...hmm.. does the scanner need acl? |
| 12:10.09 | fsmithred | let me remmove the setfacl lines from permissions.sh and reboot. |
| 12:12.41 | fsmithred | still works |
| 12:13.16 | fsmithred | looks like scanner does not need acl. I think the key is to use both if_exists and daemonlet |
| 12:14.10 | rrq | good. you have two scanners still ? |
| 12:14.55 | rrq | the card reader perhaps has type 255/255/255 |
| 12:15.46 | fsmithred | maybe. I can check. rebooting now. I reverted to VAR_OWNER and VAR_GROUP to see if that breaks it. |
| 12:18.29 | fsmithred | yup. That broke it. Both the scanner and the card reader are root:root and scanner is not found |
| 12:18.51 | rrq | ok. good. udev (via libsane) is programmed for specific vendor/product id's for scanners; it's a long list |
| 12:19.44 | rrq | I'm unsure about the vdev way of matching vendor/product |
| 12:20.56 | fsmithred | $VDEV_OS_*: Any OS-specific device attributes will be encoded by name, prefixed with VDEV_OS_ |
| 12:23.05 | fsmithred | hm, udevadm isn't showing the vendor and model when I'm running vdev, but it does when running udev |
| 12:23.37 | fsmithred | oh, there is a product number |
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| 12:26.02 | rrq | I'd like to find some doco ... searching |
| 12:26.11 | fsmithred | in udev: ID_MODEL_ID=30cf ID_VENDOR=05da ID_VENDOR_ENC=05da ID_REVISION=0100 |
| 12:26.30 | fsmithred | and that matched vdev's: PRODUCT=5da/30cf/100 |
| 12:26.51 | fsmithred | hang on, I found a list of major and minor numbers, but it's an old list |
| 12:27.08 | fsmithred | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition-Mass-Storage-Definitions-Naming-HOWTO/x183.html |
| 12:29.04 | rrq | that's device number... not vendor/product ... I'm looking for some doco about kernel uevent (without udev talk) |
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| 12:30.13 | rrq | (rather not read the source) |
| 12:32.14 | fsmithred | need food. back in about 15 min |
| 13:06.39 | rrq | afaict the hotplug event variable would be designated OS_PRODUCT in vdev, with value x/y/z where x is vendor id, y is product id and z is "bcdDevice"(?) |
| 13:07.28 | fsmithred | I think the last one is manufacturer's revision number |
| 13:07.31 | rrq | detail from http://www.makelinux.net/ldd3/chp-14-sect-7 which is the best I've found so far about hotplug event variables |
| 13:07.34 | fsmithred | just read that somewhere |
| 13:08.11 | rrq | but I haven't isolated the point in vdev code where the value is matched |
| 13:09.17 | rrq | need to learn more here... |
| 13:09.41 | rrq | late night for me now. |
| 13:09.51 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:10.02 | fsmithred | I need to do other stuff |
| 13:10.18 | fsmithred | we made some good progress |
| 13:10.32 | fsmithred | I have no idea what's going on, but we got my scanner to work. |
| 13:11.07 | rrq | cheers. |
| 13:11.13 | fsmithred | take care |
| 13:13.06 | fsmithred | device descriptors - http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb5.shtml |
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| 13:48.22 | golinux | jaromil: Centurion-Dan: This was posted on the forum: |
| 13:48.33 | golinux | I notice that the torrent file uses opentrackr.org as one of the public trackers, but that tracker has been down for several months. You may wish to advertise with another public tracker, like opentrackr.org perhaps? |
| 13:49.03 | golinux | Something to look into? |
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| 19:01.12 | minnesotags | Has anyone else gotten broken samba packages? |
| 19:01.15 | minnesotags | samba : Depends: samba-common (= 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3) but 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2 is to be installed |
| 19:01.15 | minnesotags | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.15 | minnesotags | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 19:17.28 | minnesotags | Crap: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/samba/issues/1 |
| 19:17.48 | minnesotags | Has this been resolved at all? |
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| 19:27.55 | KatolaZ | minnesotags: it is solved by adding jessie backports, atm |
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| 19:42.38 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, you here? What's the login and password on your mini iso? I got hit with a login when I tried to set the locale and keyboard |
| 19:42.53 | minnesotags | I've tried apt-get update && apt-get -t jessie-backports install samba but no love. |
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| 19:45.28 | fsmithred | bbiab, need to reboot again |
| 19:45.36 | minnesotags | I have also dpkg -r --force-all for every samba component and tried reinstalling. Still no good. |
| 19:51.46 | minnesotags | What an effing PIA. Had to look all over to find a post to the Devuan mailing list to go to https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/samba-common/download do dpkg -i, then install samba..... |
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| 20:27.15 | Centurion_Dan | minnesotags: I'm working hard to get amprolla the capability to allow multiple versions of the same package in the dist. The root of the issue is that amprolla only keeps the first instance of a package so the newer version never makes it in. The situation should only happen where arch=all and only where there is a partial upload - ie, in this case with samba some archs are running an older version because the newer version only builds for |
| 20:27.16 | Centurion_Dan | some of the architectures. |
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| 20:50.15 | minnesotags | Aha! Thanks for the heads up, Centurion_Dan. |
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| 20:54.54 | jaromil | this is probably the single most explicative and short statement about the samba problem in Devuan |
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| 21:04.19 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I'm getting closer with SOdelta, but probably won't get much done on it for the next few days as I'm away visiting family. I may find a few moments here and there tho. |
| 21:05.42 | golinux | jaromil . . . did you see my note above that someoen reported that the torrent file uses opentrackr.org as one of the public trackers, but that tracker has been down for several months |
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| 21:11.46 | minnesotags | Interesting. I hadn't thought about how this works. Is amprolla a script running on a database of package addresses? |
| 21:13.04 | golinux | Doesn't it work off the Debian repos |
| 21:13.13 | golinux | ? |
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| 21:40.55 | Centurion_Dan | minnesotags: no, it currently parses the repo's metadata files and creates a merged set of metadata files. The update I'm working on will be more efficient and be based on detecting changes between the last run and applying them to /merged. This approach will allow us to directly modify the /merged to add, remove or revert changes, hold old packages etc. |
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| 21:44.54 | Centurion_Dan | This means that even in situations like with the samba issue, we will also gain the ability manually apply a change package into /merged to solve the above issue. |
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| 23:24.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~#devuan samba is <Centurion_Dan> I'm working hard to get amprolla the capability to allow multiple versions of same package in dist. Root of issue is that amprolla only keeps first instance of a package so the newer version never makes it in. The situation should only happen where arch=all and [...] partial upload - ie with samba some archs running older version because newer version only builds for some of the architectures |
| 23:24.16 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 23:24.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~samba |
| 23:24.24 | infobot | from memory, samba is <Centurion_Dan> I'm working hard to get amprolla the capability to allow multiple versions of same package in dist. Root of issue is that amprolla only keeps first instance of a package so the newer version never makes it in. The situation should only happen where arch=all and [...] partial upload - ie with samba some archs running older version because newer version only builds for some of the architectures |
| 23:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~amprolla |
| 23:25.50 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
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