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00:55.58 | twotwenty | does running testing or unstable work as well as lets say running debian testing or unstable? |
00:57.00 | twotwenty | if no will upgrading into testing break for sure? |
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01:24.35 | Leander256 | twotwenty: it's pretty much the same |
01:25.47 | Leander256 | I'm running a desktop and a laptop on testing (because of better support for skylake GPU) and it's been a smooth ride |
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02:03.19 | twotwenty | Leander256: thanks |
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03:22.22 | Centurion_Dan | OmegaPhil: ascii-proposed is essentially a scratch environment to build packages for ascii and test before releasing them to ascii. (Eventually this won't be needed as we get ceres/unstable and automated migrations happening). That said, debian migrates binaries from unstable->testing->stable, whereas we will do that at a source level only and build the packages from source for each of them. |
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03:52.31 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: golinux is a female and she identifies as such |
03:53.21 | aitor | See in the website: Golinux :: art direction, webmistress, editor, quality assurance |
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03:56.04 | aitor | i read somewhere that she is Den's mother |
03:56.38 | aitor | who is Den? Denis roio, i suppose |
03:56.54 | aitor | yes, i read it somewhere |
03:58.29 | golinux | aitor: PM |
03:59.22 | aitor | post meridian? |
03:59.49 | aitor | so, you are not Den's mother |
04:00.38 | golinux | msg |
04:01.11 | golinux | I am talking top you privately because this is OT. |
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04:23.18 | golinux | Den's mother? That's too funny but no. A den mother is a woman who leads and cares for groups of young children like the Girl Scouts. |
04:23.49 | golinux | Since I am about the oldest person here, everyone else seems like a kid to me. So it's a bit of a joke. |
04:24.53 | furrywolf | I think he/she is referring to a person nicknamed Den? |
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08:11.23 | OmegaPhil | Centurion_Dan: Thanks for the explanation :) |
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08:26.49 | Centurion_Dan | OmegaPhil: your welcome. |
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09:27.18 | aitor | hi again |
09:27.38 | aitor | i'm doing some changes in the packages of vdev |
09:28.45 | aitor | the changes included in the initramfs-tools must be included in vdev, not in the initramfs-tools (like in udeb), obviously |
09:29.41 | aitor | i'm building an image cointaing libudev1 and libudev1-compat, and the kernel build with this libraries |
09:30.45 | aitor | i want to change the provider of my domain www.gnuinos.org and it will not be available for 24-48 horas, maybe |
09:31.36 | aitor | my email is not availabe eventually, but i'm following the discussions in dyne.org/lurker |
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09:52.45 | aitor | how many changes in your names! |
09:52.52 | aitor | i,m confused :) |
09:54.45 | aitor | is now Guest34695 male or female, i'm so confused... |
09:58.18 | zdzichu | it doesn't matter |
09:59.02 | Guest34695 | aitor, zdzichu is right |
10:00.03 | aitor | oh, yes, there is a zdzichu in the bottom |
10:00.39 | aitor | is she the den mother of all the irc? |
10:01.14 | Guest34695 | could be, but don't know |
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10:56.44 | aitor | this is what i get trying to regenerate the initrd.img: |
10:56.51 | aitor | (live)root@devuan:~/vdev-initramfs/tools# sh make-initramfs.sh |
10:57.08 | aitor | Generating initrd.img-3.16.7-1-586 |
10:57.24 | aitor | E: /root/build-initramfs/hooks/vdev failed with return 1. |
11:01.06 | aitor | ok , i see some x86_64-linux-gnu in the hooks/vdev, and i'm in i386 |
11:02.16 | aitor | i'm going to take a coffee |
11:02.21 | aitor | see you:) |
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11:40.14 | topro | hi there, I got a few desktop pcs running devuan jessie (actually upgraded from debian wheezy). they are mounting a remote filesystem as /home (CephFS). Everything was fine untill a apt-get update/dist-upgrade about 2-3 weeks ago. some clients now won't mount their /home on boot anymore (CephFS in /etc/fstab). a amnual "mount -a" after every single boot fixes that. any idea what might be broken? |
11:41.59 | topro | I'm using jessie, jessie-updates and jessie-security as well as jessie-backports repos from packages.devuan.org/merged/ |
11:42.23 | djph | sounds like it's trying to mount before networking is up (MAYBE) |
11:43.24 | topro | I have had a look to the net-fs mounting scripts, though they are quite "complex" |
11:48.04 | djph | anything from the boot logs perchance? |
11:52.12 | OmegaPhil | Init.d scripts don't really log I've found, have had to go to the console and scroll up the buffer to find interesting failures |
11:52.30 | OmegaPhil | Still don't actually tell you what went wrong, but give you a start to search in the scripts |
11:53.16 | topro | is there a way to get back to the boot console output once tty1 login is shown? |
11:53.31 | OmegaPhil | Yeah, in X, Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
11:53.40 | OmegaPhil | Ouside of X, just ALT+F1 |
11:53.54 | OmegaPhil | The scrollbuffer can be moved by SHIFT+PgUp/Down |
11:54.14 | topro | I'm well aware, but Ctrl+Alt+F1 takes me to tty1 which only shows login, the boot log output gets truncated (cleared) |
11:54.14 | OmegaPhil | X is usually on VT7, so Alt+F7 to get back to X |
11:54.29 | OmegaPhil | Scrollbuffer |
11:54.35 | OmegaPhil | Or whatever its called |
11:54.55 | topro | scrollbuffer (or whatever its called) also gets truncated whenever you switch vt |
11:55.18 | OmegaPhil | I mustve been very lucky then when I needed it |
11:55.28 | OmegaPhil | In the past I've taken a photo as it went past |
11:55.50 | topro | well I could capture it by camera, goot idea ;) |
11:58.29 | topro | djph: will have a look at the boot logs again. first look didn't reveal anything of interest |
12:01.24 | topro | i personally got the feeling that some changes to the network filesystem mounting scripts forgot to correctly handle CephFS. Saying CephFS is a "not so commonly used" filesystem would still be a wild exaggeration ;) |
12:03.09 | topro | another idea: do I need kernel modules for network filesystems in initramfs to mount them on boot, or will they get mounted after mounting / |
12:05.52 | djph | I would assume network filesystems come up after / ... but then again... |
12:14.50 | topro | nothing in the logs, sorry. but i found another trace. the machines which fail to mount cephfs on boot seem to be exactly those machines which mount cephfs as their only network file system from fstab. working machines seem to be the ones which additionally mount some NFS shares. will keep investigating |
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15:06.28 | golinux | Sorry for the OT . . . aitor needs more than coffee. THERE IS NO DEN'S MOTHER. That is his misunderstanding of English language. I have sometimes referred to myself as "den mother" for reasons explained above. Please refer to the botbot logs - not going to repeat it here. |
15:07.48 | furrywolf | lol |
15:08.04 | golinux | furrywolf: If you aren't aware of my gender by now, you need more coffee than aitor. |
15:08.32 | furrywolf | of course I'm aware of your gender. remember when I suggested to you how wonderful life with another woman might be, and you got mad and ignored me? :) |
15:10.07 | golinux | That being said . . . biological attributes are irrelevant to this project so please let's move on. |
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15:10.26 | furrywolf | sighs and puts the box of strapons back under the bed |
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15:21.16 | Digit | O_O |
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18:07.23 | gci_admin | Not really sure that last bit from you was appropriate for this channel furrywolf. I'll shutup now since I am not a chanop. :P |
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18:09.21 | Akuli | how did kadiro's installing go? |
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18:11.02 | Akuli | nevermind, i found him on another channel :) |
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18:26.38 | golinux | gci_admin: furrywolf is often inappropriate which is why she is on my ignore list. Unfortunately botbot doesn't know about that . . . |
18:28.55 | fsmithred | HAH! I just got vdev to see my scanner at boot! |
18:29.33 | golinux | That's some progress!! |
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18:33.20 | fsmithred | udevadm works with vdev running. I guess we need a replacement for that. It's the only way I know to figure out what variables to use to find the right device. |
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18:48.15 | mender27 | Just installed Devuan on my MacBook 2009 again. Love it! |
18:49.24 | mender27 | I love how Devuan uses some of the standard UNIX tools like sysctl and dhclient. I have them on FreeBSD, too :). |
18:52.51 | mender27 | Quick one, though - is there a wpa_supplicant init script somewhere or should I write my own? ;) |
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18:57.55 | Akuli | mender27, if there's not, you can use startmeup which generates the init script for you :) |
18:58.19 | mender27 | Akuli, manpage for details, right? |
18:58.39 | mender27 | ah, there isn't one |
18:58.59 | Akuli | i think there will be one when startmeup is added to devuan |
18:59.45 | mender27 | Oh...and additional details on the Devuan website or should I go on a Google venture? |
18:59.56 | mender27 | I mean, details about a possible wpa_supplicant init script. |
19:10.29 | mender27 | Alright, I'll figure something out myself :). |
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19:17.50 | fsmithred | mender27, hang on a minute |
19:18.28 | fsmithred | I'm using wicd, and that takes care of it, but I can check the mini iso. |
19:21.54 | mender27 | Lovely, thanks a bunch :) |
19:22.06 | mender27 | I'm still in the process of assembling tools for my current install. |
19:22.09 | fsmithred | yeah if I can figure out how to set the keyboard |
19:22.45 | fsmithred | you gonna use wicd? |
19:23.41 | mender27 | I'm using wpa_gui for my wireless connections |
19:23.53 | mender27 | Other than that, only command-line stuff |
19:24.52 | fsmithred | ok, I know katolaz uses wpa_cli with his mini iso, so I'm looking in there now |
19:26.35 | fsmithred | wow, I can't login if I set locale and keyboard. If I boot without adding those, I get autologin, but I can't type what I want. |
19:29.06 | mender27 | Oh wow |
19:29.17 | mender27 | Sorry, Qupzilla had some major issues with youtube :/. |
19:29.20 | fsmithred | where might the pipe key be? |
19:31.24 | mender27 | Wish I knew that :D |
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19:32.38 | mender27 | I see a couple of other minor issues - no battery monitor is actually reading the battery properly :P. |
19:33.05 | fsmithred | using xfce-batter-plugin? |
19:33.21 | mender27 | nope, I tried wmbattery and xbattbar so far |
19:33.37 | mender27 | I'm running WindowMaker |
19:33.43 | fsmithred | ok |
19:34.22 | mender27 | gotcha, wmacpi reads properly |
19:35.24 | fsmithred | you sure you need an init script for wpasupplicant? I don't see one in my wheezy install, either. |
19:35.33 | mender27 | hmmm |
19:35.46 | mender27 | then it means it's handled differently |
19:36.04 | mender27 | maybe there are knobs for dhclient and then dhclient calls wpa_supplicant? |
19:36.08 | fsmithred | when I haven't used wicd, and I set wireless with wpa in interfaces file, it worked fine. That was on the wheezy installation I'm looking at. Pretty sure wicd was disabled. |
19:36.13 | mender27 | that's the way it works on FreeBSD, I think :). |
19:36.45 | mender27 | Because on FreeBSD one doesn't need to touch wpa_supplicant much. |
19:37.00 | mender27 | most things are done in /etc/rc.conf, which Devuan doesn't have, though. |
19:37.20 | mender27 | But sysctl and dhclient are present, which I'm very happy about :). |
19:37.20 | fsmithred | check /etc/default |
19:37.42 | mender27 | there is /etc/default/rcS |
19:38.12 | mender27 | I noticed I also got rc1-rc5.d directories in /etc/ |
19:38.40 | mender27 | most of them seem to have the same content |
19:39.05 | fsmithred | you used debian before? |
19:39.14 | mender27 | I did, yes |
19:39.27 | fsmithred | runlevels 2-5 are the same |
19:39.33 | mender27 | Oh |
19:39.33 | fsmithred | 2 is default |
19:39.52 | mender27 | I simply haven't seen those rc*.d directories on other distributions. |
19:40.15 | fsmithred | I don't remember what suse and rh use |
19:40.17 | fsmithred | used |
19:40.38 | mender27 | I'm not sure either, since I haven't touched them before much |
19:40.47 | mender27 | I do remember that CRUX has only a single rc.d |
19:41.00 | mender27 | and same goes for Gentoo? not sure about that, though. |
19:41.17 | fsmithred | that uses openrc instead of sysvinit |
19:41.30 | mender27 | yes, but there is only 1 rc.d directory. |
19:42.00 | fsmithred | pretty sure suse has multiple directories. |
19:42.10 | mender27 | I see |
19:42.25 | mender27 | I'll simply get used to it :). |
19:42.45 | mender27 | So what does Wheezy use instead of wicd? |
19:43.04 | fsmithred | wheezy had wicd if you installed it |
19:43.11 | fsmithred | I avoid network manager like the plague. |
19:43.21 | mender27 | I checked the "networking" script on Devuan Jessie and it doesn't call wpa_supplicant |
19:43.26 | fsmithred | but that would be the default in debian, along with gnome, which I also avoid. |
19:43.27 | mender27 | I also try to avoid NM |
19:43.36 | mender27 | yes, gnome too I avoid |
19:43.43 | mender27 | and pulseaudio to top it off :P |
19:47.28 | mender27 | fsmithred, and what did Wheezy use when wicd was not installed? |
19:48.36 | fsmithred | static IP set in /etc/network/interfaces |
19:48.42 | fsmithred | along with wpa info |
19:48.52 | fsmithred | you need to see an example file? |
19:49.24 | mender27 | one moment |
19:49.56 | mender27 | ha, no, it's fine |
19:49.59 | mender27 | Found it! |
19:50.55 | fsmithred | that was quick |
19:50.59 | mender27 | It's the same file. However, I realized I tried adding my wireless to /etc/network/interfaces already and it locks boot, because wpa_supplicant is not being called |
19:53.23 | fsmithred | I wouldn't expect that to stop you from booting. Just stop you from connecting to net. |
19:53.37 | mender27 | It times out after 2 minutes from what I noticed |
19:54.02 | fsmithred | if you get tired of waiting for the network, you can press ctrl-c to bypass it |
19:54.03 | mender27 | So no, it doesn't lock boot completely ;) |
19:54.21 | mender27 | I tried, in this case it doesn't work, because keyboard input is not brought up yet |
19:55.12 | mender27 | Now, appending the wlan0 interface with the "dhcp" option should then call dhclient, right? I need to put wpa_supplicant into the picture somehow :P |
19:57.14 | fsmithred | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/release_notes.html |
19:57.33 | fsmithred | scroll down to the bottom, and maybe you'll see something you need to add |
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19:57.57 | fsmithred | brb |
19:58.31 | mender27 | right now youtube is killing my Qupzilla session :P. |
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20:02.09 | mender27 | fsmithred, thanks a lot for providing the solution! |
20:05.52 | fsmithred | yw |
20:06.12 | mender27 | I set the wlan0 interface to be handled by dhcp though |
20:06.22 | mender27 | I'll restart and see whether this actually works |
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20:20.55 | mender27 | Alright so...no go |
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20:26.51 | mender27 | Whoops, wrong channel, my bad |
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20:49.42 | mender27 | fsmithred, I think I'm getting somewhere with dhclient, ifconfig and the /etc/network/interfaces config :). |
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20:51.39 | Centurion_Dan | hi! |
20:52.00 | Centurion_Dan | I'm liking what I'm seeing reported about progress with vdev. As soon as I've got my hack on amprolla complete, I will build the packages for vdev |
20:53.00 | mender27 | <3 |
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21:02.16 | mender27 | Centurion_Dan, do you have experience with configuring /etc/network/interfaces for wireless interfaces? :) |
21:04.24 | Centurion_Dan | yeah, but that was back with debian squeeze, so quite a while ago. It requires wpa_supplicant and appropriate wpa_supplicant.conf.' |
21:04.33 | mender27 | I'm trying to figure out a way to properly call wpa_supplicant via the /etc/network/interfaces config. |
21:04.47 | Centurion_Dan | I can dig out the laptop that still has that config... |
21:05.00 | mender27 | So far I noticed one can do "iface wlan0 dhcp", but that only calls dhclient. |
21:05.21 | mender27 | Hmm...would be great, of course. Only if you have some time on your hands at some point, though :). |
21:05.30 | mender27 | I know you probably have more pressing things to do. |
21:06.34 | parazyd | mender27: wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
21:06.52 | mender27 | parazyd, thanks, I'll have a look |
21:07.06 | parazyd | that's the line supported in /etc/network/interfaces |
21:07.11 | mender27 | aaa |
21:07.19 | mender27 | that's so simple, cannot believe this ;D. |
21:07.20 | parazyd | perhaps there's more, but this is the only one i ever needed :D |
21:07.29 | mender27 | that's that I think |
21:07.41 | mender27 | I'll give it a wizz. |
21:07.44 | parazyd | yep |
21:08.13 | parazyd | minnesotags: i've had low connectivity for the past week, will email you about the thing. so sorry i couldn't reply earlier :/ |
21:08.22 | mender27 | the name of the interface doesn't have to be on the same line, right? |
21:08.45 | parazyd | mender27: you still do 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp' |
21:08.53 | parazyd | then on the next line call wpa-conf |
21:09.29 | Centurion_Dan | <PROTECTED> |
21:10.03 | parazyd | #firstworlddebianproblems |
21:10.46 | mender27 | I managed to get a working setup for wpa_supplicant in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. |
21:10.57 | mender27 | Now I'm trying to link it via /etc/network/interfaces :). |
21:11.09 | mender27 | parazyd, you divine person, you! It worked! |
21:11.12 | parazyd | :) |
21:11.57 | parazyd | best part is - with systemd it probably doesn't work :D |
21:11.57 | mender27 | registering the interface via ifup completed the trick |
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21:12.23 | mender27 | FreeBSD has a similar setup, but uses ifconfig instead of ifup and ifdown :). |
21:12.40 | parazyd | ifconfig is deprecated |
21:12.44 | parazyd | also vulnerable |
21:12.55 | mender27 | I see |
21:12.58 | parazyd | use ip |
21:13.12 | mender27 | Is ifconfig going to be removed from Devuan or was it never a part of it? |
21:13.30 | parazyd | i don't think it will be removed |
21:13.42 | mender27 | Because legacy setups? |
21:13.50 | parazyd | but if you have scripts using it, you maybe wish to port them to use iputils |
21:13.54 | parazyd | ^^ for this reason |
21:13.57 | mender27 | :D |
21:15.09 | mender27 | hmm...does Devuan have a global service that handles networking altogether? |
21:15.45 | parazyd | such as? |
21:16.03 | mender27 | netif in FreeBSD? :D |
21:16.12 | Centurion_Dan | mender27: I'm spinning up my old laptop. It's doing FS checks as a result of not having been checked in over 900 days ;-) |
21:16.24 | parazyd | mender27: wouldn't know (wicd maybe?) |
21:16.37 | mender27 | I remember CRUX had very simple scripts for network stuff. One-use only |
21:17.02 | mender27 | Centurion_Dan, parazyd managed to help me. It was quite trivial, but not commonly found on the Debian website :) |
21:17.10 | fsmithred | mender, if you used the example I gave you, just change 'iface wlan0 inet static' to iface wlan0 inet dhcp and remove the address, netmask and gateway lines |
21:17.24 | fsmithred | then ifup/ifdown should work |
21:17.39 | Centurion_Dan | I'll post something into talk.devuan.org or a project in git about it. |
21:17.46 | fsmithred | sjpi;dm |
21:17.47 | mender27 | fsmithred, parazyd helped me to get the stuff working with "wpa_conf /path/to/wpa_supplicant.conf" |
21:17.55 | fsmithred | ok |
21:18.00 | fsmithred | I've never messed with that |
21:18.12 | mender27 | I couldn't find it on the Debian wiki myself :( |
21:18.38 | mender27 | I mean, WPA encryption is old already and there wasn't a single line on it in the NetworkConfiguration wiki entry :P. |
21:19.01 | parazyd | wpa enterprise <3 |
21:19.36 | buZz | WPA enterprise love here aswell |
21:19.57 | buZz | i usually just install wicd |
21:20.18 | buZz | and use https://nurdspace.nl/Spacenet/wicd for our WPA enterprise implementation |
21:20.33 | parazyd | i just use wpa_gui and dhcpcd |
21:20.35 | parazyd | works just fine |
21:20.46 | buZz | it does :) i just lust after TUIs |
21:21.32 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: wpa_gui is fugly tho. |
21:21.51 | Centurion_Dan | anyway back to hacking on amprolla. |
21:21.52 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: not at all, why? |
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21:22.00 | aitor_ | hi :) |
21:22.22 | parazyd | i find it better than networkmanager or wicd |
21:22.50 | mender27 | The only thing that bothers me with wpa_gui is that it uses qt. |
21:22.57 | parazyd | qt > gtk |
21:23.20 | mender27 | Probably, but I feel bad when using qt for something like wpa_gui :P. |
21:23.27 | parazyd | qt5 doesn't need dbus, while gtk3 does :p |
21:23.35 | mender27 | that's a pinch, yes. |
21:23.44 | aitor_ | great news |
21:23.51 | mender27 | Until someone writes a wpa gui in tk ;P. |
21:23.55 | parazyd | hahahaha |
21:24.06 | aitor_ | i just built an image of gnuinos with vdev and it works in live mode |
21:24.09 | parazyd | wpa_cli works too |
21:24.22 | mender27 | parazyd, but the GUI! |
21:24.24 | parazyd | aitor_: have you tested lvm? |
21:24.31 | mender27 | I heard girls dig GUIs ;) |
21:24.33 | aitor_ | i still didn't try mountin/umounting devices |
21:24.45 | parazyd | Goddamn Unimportant Interface |
21:25.02 | aitor_ | it's a server versions and i only tested it in live mode |
21:25.25 | parazyd | i'm looking into nldev mysef |
21:25.28 | aitor_ | but my keyboard is detected |
21:25.41 | parazyd | http://core.suckless.org/nldev |
21:25.50 | mender27 | ah, suckless. the place for things UNIX. |
21:26.48 | aitor_ | it does strange things during the booting, but it works |
21:27.06 | parazyd | like what? |
21:27.13 | aitor_ | nldev? |
21:27.21 | parazyd | ^^ link above |
21:27.30 | aitor_ | yes, i see |
21:28.06 | aitor_ | parazyd, you want to say lvm2? |
21:28.19 | parazyd | it's like mdev + hotplugging |
21:28.26 | parazyd | aitor_: yup |
21:28.35 | aitor_ | logic volume manager |
21:28.56 | aitor_ | i'm uploading the image to: |
21:29.11 | aitor_ | one sec |
21:29.37 | aitor_ | http://188.165.204.61/vdev/ |
21:30.11 | aitor_ | ups, uploaded appearently |
21:30.19 | parazyd | dont have virtualbox/qemu working right now, but i'll grab it |
21:30.21 | parazyd | thanks |
21:30.26 | aitor_ | i didn't test the installer |
21:30.30 | aitor_ | :) |
21:30.58 | mender27 | Alright, I'll leave you 2 to your devices. Need to focus on learning MySQL :). |
21:31.25 | parazyd | mender27: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-URBVGKEBRss/U0GgQetIwEI/AAAAAAAAC20/b0DEdUTSCwo/s1600/i.img.jpe |
21:32.03 | aitor_ | keep in mind: the backend os symple-netaid is installed |
21:32.08 | mender27 | If the wpa-conf "gimmick" needs to be put in an accessible place, I'll do a writeup on my blog at linuxmender.wordpress and then from there we can copy the stuff to the Devuan wiki or so. |
21:32.46 | mender27 | parazyd, haha, loved the reference ;). |
21:33.21 | parazyd | 5:D |
21:33.46 | mender27 | *high five* |
21:33.52 | mender27 | Alright, now I'm seriously off. |
21:33.55 | parazyd | o/ |
21:34.09 | mender27 | over and out! o/ |
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