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| 01:41.38 | Centurion_Dan | just pushed his first python script SODelta, the beginnings of a library for generating and applying delta's from a list of objects based on the value of object properties |
| 01:41.49 | Centurion_Dan | https://git.devuan.org/CenturionDan/SODelta |
| 01:45.40 | Centurion_Dan | Currently it only generates a delta and merged results and is using a the object value for the comparison, but that's easy to expand on. |
| 01:46.06 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil ^^ |
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| 02:02.00 | Centurion_Dan | next step is to refactor it to provide different methods |
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| 06:00.11 | aitor | good morning :) |
| 06:00.41 | aitor | i installed libudev1-compat and libudev1-compat-dev in the other machine |
| 06:01.05 | aitor | removed the following libraries: |
| 06:01.36 | aitor | /etc/i386-gnu-linux/libudev.so.1.5.0 |
| 06:02.20 | aitor | /etc/i386-gnu-linux/libudev.so.1 (pointing to the above libudev.so.1.5.0) |
| 06:02.50 | aitor | /etc/i386-gnu-linux/libudev.so (pointing to the above libudev.so.1) |
| 06:03.13 | aitor | and also removed libudev-dev's: |
| 06:04.19 | aitor | /etc/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/libudev.pc |
| 06:04.41 | aitor | i386-linux-gnu ( not i386-gnu-linux) |
| 06:05.25 | aitor | now Jude's libudev.so.1.5.2, etc... are located in /etc/i386-linux-gnu |
| 06:05.58 | aitor | and libudev.pc in /etc/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig |
| 06:07.19 | aitor | i also replaced libudev-dev's headers /include/libudev.h by jude's headers |
| 06:07.31 | aitor | i'm trying to build the kernel |
| 06:09.17 | aitor | i rectify: libudev-dev's headers /usr/include/libudev.h |
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| 07:03.17 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: is there a versioned dependency on libudev?? |
| 07:04.42 | Centurion_Dan | if so we can add a provides: libudev1 to the control section of libudev1-compat |
| 07:05.38 | Centurion_Dan | of course we'd need to add the .so links, but they should all be in /lib and not /etc |
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| 08:14.30 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: are you still there? |
| 08:14.53 | aitor | it's late for you |
| 08:15.09 | aitor | i'll be connected to the IRc during the night |
| 08:16.00 | Centurion_Dan | 8:15pm here.... going to watch a video now... chat later. |
| 08:16.13 | aitor | ok:) |
| 08:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/60822977 journalctl, see why people *love* it |
| 08:17.56 | aitor | i like the artwork of opensuse |
| 08:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | more than 10000 times slower than good ole syslog files |
| 08:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | that justifies increased effort and cruft like a database to store syslogs in it |
| 08:19.28 | aitor | yes |
| 08:19.44 | aitor | and problems with the updates |
| 08:19.50 | aitor | at least in the past |
| 08:20.40 | aitor | i don't use it for a long time |
| 08:20.54 | jaromil | be careful not to get too fat from popcorns |
| 08:21.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | asking in #suse >>in /var/log/syslog I get periodic (every 15 min) http://paste.opensuse.org/33575402 systemd cgroup error<< |
| 08:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody suggested to use journald --boot instead |
| 08:22.38 | aitor | and it's recent |
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| 08:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/75944358 |
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| 08:26.42 | aitor | i'm going to the other computer, i'm trying to add aufs4 to linux-4.6.2 |
| 08:27.06 | aitor | and it hasn't network connection, so i leave you for awhile |
| 08:27.10 | aitor | see you later :) |
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| 09:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://susepaste.org/3918705 anybody an idea how a chroot (line 165) could break cgroups? |
| 09:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is not exactly off topic since I run devuan in the chroot |
| 09:29.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | the chroot dir is a complete system basically |
| 09:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mounts: http://susepaste.org/1441660 - sorry I meanwhile fail to clearly spot the bindmounts |
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| 09:36.34 | aitor | hi all:) |
| 09:36.43 | aitor | the kernel has built succesfully |
| 09:36.57 | aitor | i uncompressed the initrd.img |
| 09:37.42 | aitor | there is a /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libudev.so.1 |
| 09:38.25 | aitor | if we generate the new intird.img running:update-initramfs -u |
| 09:39.03 | aitor | initramfs-tool will use the runtime librarie from udev, and not from vdev ! |
| 09:39.12 | aitor | that's the question ! |
| 09:41.03 | aitor | see you in 45 minutes |
| 09:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | mounts (better): http://paste.opensuse.org/67889472 |
| 09:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | glares at /home/jr/chrootdir/sys |
| 09:56.25 | zdzichu | debian's systemd package dropped /etc/rc.d compatibility; so I guess they don't even pretend to be backward compatibile now? |
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| 11:40.11 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: See /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev |
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| 12:21.48 | aitor | hi, i delayed a bit :( |
| 12:23.55 | aitor | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev? |
| 12:24.44 | aitor | i added /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/vdev to the "initramfs-tools" package |
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| 12:25.54 | aitor | lkcl :) |
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| 12:26.52 | Centurion_Dan | but is the existing hooks/udev still there too? |
| 12:27.16 | aitor | i'i'm considering the following idea. |
| 12:27.21 | aitor | . |
| 12:27.51 | KatolaZ | aitor: didn't have much time yesterday and maybe I misunderstood your questions |
| 12:28.08 | KatolaZ | don't know if it is still relevant though |
| 12:28.51 | aitor | i'll build an image with libudev1-compat and libudev1-compat-dev, renamed to libudev and libudev-dev, doing an apt pinning for libudev and libudev-dev |
| 12:29.05 | aitor | :) |
| 12:29.36 | aitor | i was joking :) |
| 12:30.35 | aitor | Adding Provides: libudev doesn't solve the dependency problems |
| 12:31.03 | aitor | this image will be only for testing purposes, of course |
| 12:31.39 | aitor | do you like the idea? whithout xorg |
| 12:31.49 | aitor | without :) |
| 12:31.56 | KatolaZ | anyway, why do you need to use update-initramfs at all? |
| 12:32.16 | KatolaZ | if I can ask |
| 12:32.24 | aitor | did you download Ralph's snapshot? |
| 12:32.33 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 12:32.36 | KatolaZ | not yet |
| 12:32.48 | aitor | save... |
| 12:32.58 | KatolaZ | I simply argue that we might not need to use update-initramfs at all |
| 12:33.25 | KatolaZ | we can build our own initramfs without that |
| 12:33.29 | KatolaZ | it's super-easy |
| 12:33.51 | KatolaZ | and you might save time with the tests |
| 12:33.54 | Centurion_Dan | why? |
| 12:34.11 | KatolaZ | just for testing purposes |
| 12:34.17 | KatolaZ | since the problem seems to be in the tool |
| 12:34.19 | Centurion_Dan | mkinitramfs-tools is easy enough to understand |
| 12:34.20 | KatolaZ | not in libvdev |
| 12:34.21 | aitor | go to jude nelson's git repository |
| 12:34.32 | KatolaZ | yes Centurion_Dan |
| 12:34.40 | KatolaZ | but not that easy to twek, in my little experience |
| 12:34.44 | KatolaZ | ~tweak |
| 12:34.44 | infobot | from memory, tweak is where you alter the default settings. If you want to tweak your machine for optimum performance, consider: mtrr, hdparm, irqtune, powertweak, or 'noatime' |
| 12:35.18 | aitor | have a look at "example/initramfs" and "tools" |
| 12:36.07 | aitor | they regenerate the /boot/initrd.img |
| 12:36.17 | Centurion_Dan | KatolaZ: it's all scripts and adding support should just require installing hook scripts in the right place. |
| 12:36.22 | aitor | i included the in the intramfs-tools package |
| 12:37.01 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: you are a owl ! |
| 12:37.19 | Centurion_Dan | yeah ;-) |
| 12:37.47 | aitor | now, have a look at tools/udev_to_vdev |
| 12:37.53 | aitor | it's in C++ |
| 12:38.03 | aitor | i don't know what's that |
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| 12:40.38 | KatolaZ | it seems just a converter from udev configuration files to me |
| 12:41.02 | aitor | is it needed? |
| 12:41.17 | KatolaZ | no idea at all |
| 12:42.44 | aitor | i don not believe... |
| 12:43.28 | aitor | don't look at my quilt patches, i did them quickly |
| 12:44.35 | aitor | they are unpresentable |
| 12:45.07 | aitor | i'll put them in order :) |
| 12:45.24 | aitor | onlu one or twoo patches are required |
| 12:47.13 | aitor | katolaz, centurion: time to eat... |
| 12:47.33 | KatolaZ | bbl anyway |
| 12:47.44 | aitor | i'll upload the image replacing libudev and libudev-dev this afternoon |
| 12:47.47 | aitor | see you :) |
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| 14:06.01 | furrywolf | http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/08/wi-fi-surveillance/497132/ off-topic (but interesting) article of the day |
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| 14:45.21 | golinux | Off-topic belongs in #debianfork NOT HERE! |
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| 16:39.48 | aitor | hi, katolaz, i replaced all the udev files in the initramfs-tools by symlinks to the vdev files |
| 16:39.58 | aitor | thanks for your feedback :) |
| 16:40.16 | aitor | building again :) |
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| 19:51.27 | brose | howdy all, just want to announce a new mirror: http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/devuan/ also available via rsync at the same path. 10-gig connected to Internet and separately 10-gig connected to Internet2. |
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| 19:51.58 | Lydia_K | Awesome :D |
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| 20:44.52 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 20:46.34 | Lydia_K | o/ |
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| 21:11.25 | Digit | hi. murdered my devuan. seem unable to get bash back after uninstalling it. i knew it was silly, i did it anyway. fails to come back with attempts to ln some other shell to /bin/bash. time to start again? |
| 21:17.47 | gci_admin | Er, why would you remove bash in the first place? Just to see what would happen? :) |
| 21:19.42 | gci_admin | FTR, if your machine is not dead and you have another shell to use, you can probably get bash back. But unless this is critical infrastructure, and I seriously hope it is not, just reinstalling your system would be the easiest way. |
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| 21:22.18 | Centurion_Dan | Digit: can you get an sh shell? |
| 21:22.24 | Centurion_Dan | dash? |
| 21:22.30 | Digit | yup. dash works |
| 21:22.47 | Centurion_Dan | use dash to apt-get install --reinstall bash |
| 21:24.12 | gci_admin | Centurion_Dan, ah! Good call! I did not think of dash. :) |
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| 21:28.35 | Digit | (thought) i had tried that a few times. made sure i was not going through sudo this time... n that seemed to help. was getting errors. not this time. straight through. :) http://dpaste.com/0DHNSE0 maybe some of my shenanigans making fish supercede bash for my user was impeding success there. |
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| 22:42.34 | aitor | centurion_dan is known now as woody_allen_007 |
| 22:43.22 | Centurion_Dan | not here?? |
| 22:45.22 | aitor | centurion_dan needs to sign 3587 packages, any volunteers? |
| 22:45.45 | Centurion_Dan | ? |
| 22:45.46 | Centurion_Dan | why |
| 22:46.59 | aitor | centurion: did you reed the issue about live-installer.udeb? |
| 22:47.47 | aitor | read |
| 22:49.55 | Centurion_Dan | link? |
| 22:51.52 | aitor | is it a verb? link lank lunk? |
| 22:52.18 | aitor | maybe? |
| 22:53.53 | aitor | adding Provides: libudev doesn't solve the dependency problems |
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| 22:55.46 | aitor | i'll upload an image with libudev1-compat and libudev1-compat-dev, renamed to libudev and libudev-dev |
| 22:56.49 | aitor | aand the kernel built with libudev1-compat and libudev1-compat-dev |
| 22:57.08 | aitor | and the modified initramfs-tools |
| 23:04.31 | aitor | what means: |
| 23:04.35 | aitor | o/ |
| 23:04.39 | aitor | \o |
| 23:04.42 | aitor | o/ |
| 23:04.46 | aitor | ? |
| 23:05.44 | aitor | greetings? |
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| 23:17.04 | golinux | brose: I will add your mirrors to the website. It may be a while before it's updated though so be patient. |
| 23:17.50 | aitor | mines? |
| 23:18.54 | aitor | mine? |
| 23:19.58 | aitor | i've to improve them a bit |
| 23:20.57 | aitor | today i've been thinking abourt the repositories... |
| 23:21.16 | Digit | fails to find how to get qemu to install / get synaptic to not say qemu is broken |
| 23:22.51 | aitor | it would be a good idea to use git in the parent directory |
| 23:23.41 | aitor | even you add some stuff to the repository, you can tag this status |
| 23:24.19 | aitor | taking care with your clock, of course :) |
| 23:25.37 | golinux | jaromil: Can you please update the index page of the site? I have added two mirrors in the last week. |
| 23:27.33 | golinux | jaromil: Git is timing out when I'm trying to save. Whats up with that? |
| 23:32.13 | aitor | golinux: we do have a little glitch on hosted mailinglists since yesterday, will be fixed shortly. yes that is the address to post |
| 23:37.16 | golinux | aitor: I'll leave that editing page open and keep trying to get it to save. |
| 23:38.20 | golinux | is puzzled what that has to do with mailing lists though . . . |
| 23:39.57 | aitor | lol, it's an old twitt with jaromil :) |
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| 23:53.35 | aitor | see you :) |
| 23:57.48 | golinux | jaromil: Yea! It finally updated!! Please work your magic to update. :) |