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| 00:57.29 | Inocuous | Anyone have any experience installing opera on devuan? |
| 01:09.09 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.51 | Inocuous | I'm getting predependency error. I've never seen this kind of thing before. |
| 01:15.06 | Inocuous | I'll google the debian install then |
| 01:20.41 | Inocuous | going good so far. |
| 01:36.04 | Inocuous | well, that's a terrible set up. |
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| 02:01.01 | stephanie | Inocuous, Usually what I do with third party packages is install them with dpkg -i and then run apt-get -f install afterwards and see if it can fix the dependencies for me automatically. |
| 02:46.24 | furrywolf | exhaustedly flops onto Lydia_K |
| 02:46.49 | furrywolf | I haven't used opera since it stopped being good. |
| 02:48.15 | aitor | it's a non-free software |
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| 02:48.19 | furrywolf | that is, when they ditched their own rendering engine, and started using the same shit as chromium. |
| 02:48.42 | furrywolf | which in turn is based off the utter shit that is webkit. |
| 02:50.22 | aitor | recently there has been much talk about palemoon |
| 02:51.17 | aitor | in the mailing list |
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| 02:55.38 | furrywolf | rather than making firefox leaner, let's make dillo more functional. |
| 02:59.55 | aitor | oh, dillo |
| 02:59.57 | MinceR | why not linkx? |
| 03:02.27 | aitor | yes, but it doesn't exit in the repos |
| 03:03.44 | aitor | where is the latest version? |
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| 03:06.27 | furrywolf | of which? |
| 03:07.32 | furrywolf | http://www.dillo.org/ |
| 03:07.58 | aitor | thanks |
| 03:08.19 | aitor | sorry, i'm in another computer :) |
| 03:09.24 | aitor | and linkx? |
| 03:09.57 | aitor | http://linkx.org/ |
| 03:10.45 | aitor | http://links.twibright.com/ |
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| 04:11.45 | furrywolf | curls back up on Lydia_K for bedtime |
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| 08:01.37 | gnu_srs | On Debian: apt-cache show dillo: ...; Version: 3.0.5-2+b1, 3.0.2-2 |
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| 08:10.08 | aitor | 3.0.4-2 |
| 08:10.28 | aitor | 3.0.4-2+b1 |
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| 08:19.40 | aitor | using aufs4, i get the following error: |
| 08:19.56 | aitor | /home/aitor/linux-libre/build-area/linux-4.6.2/fs/aufs/vfsub.h:226:2: error: implicit declaration of function 'update_time' [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] |
| 08:20.17 | aitor | i'll try with aufs3, which works in jessie |
| 08:21.04 | aitor | now i'm appling one by one all the patches with 'quilt push' and 'quilt pop' |
| 08:21.25 | aitor | applying |
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| 11:18.43 | MinceR | http://linkx.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:59.04 | aitor | thanks :) |
| 11:59.34 | aitor | i'm uploading the latest packages of VDEV to: |
| 12:00.00 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/unsystemd/ |
| 12:00.12 | aitor | including also amd64. |
| 12:00.20 | MinceR | aitor: http://linkx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:00.34 | aitor | i did some minor changes |
| 12:00.47 | aitor | yes thanks |
| 12:01.39 | aitor | this afternoon i'll build linux-libre-3.16.7 with libudev1-compat and libudev1-compat-dev |
| 12:01.43 | MinceR | :) |
| 12:01.47 | aitor | the first attemp failed |
| 12:02.09 | aitor | i decided to use 3.16.7 in jessie and 4.6.4 in ascii |
| 12:02.34 | aitor | surelly i cant build aufs4 due to the version of the compier |
| 12:02.48 | aitor | gcc-4.9 in jessie, and gcc-5 in asci |
| 12:03.16 | aitor | i son't want to use the backports |
| 12:03.35 | aitor | time to eat, see you :) |
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| 15:17.06 | aitor_ | there is nothing in #devuanfork |
| 15:17.31 | sixwheeledbeast | forking devuan? ;) |
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| 15:19.30 | aitor_ | #devuanfork :) |
| 15:19.36 | fsmithred | aitor_, try #debianfork |
| 15:20.28 | MinceR | :) |
| 15:20.36 | aitor_ | aitor is now known as... eeeh... you know now... eeeh... as aitor_ |
| 15:22.15 | aitor_ | there was not a #devuanfork? |
| 15:23.03 | aitor_ | why you rename my without my permission? |
| 15:24.34 | aitor_ | wh do you rename me? |
| 15:26.09 | MinceR | hm, there is a #devuanfork |
| 15:27.30 | aitor_ | i'm the only one member |
| 15:28.18 | aitor_ | maybe, there is nobody connected at this moment? |
| 15:28.27 | aitor_ | maybe_ |
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| 15:29.22 | aitor_ | MinceR_, there is a #devuanfork, but i'm alone |
| 15:30.16 | primalz | any channel you join gets created |
| 15:30.23 | primalz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:30.24 | KatolaZ | aitor_: you can create as many channels as you like... |
| 15:30.48 | MinceR | you can check if a channel exists without joining with /mode |
| 15:30.57 | MinceR | (which is what i did) |
| 15:30.59 | aitor_ | oh, katolaz! and his covariant vectors... |
| 15:31.06 | MinceR | :) |
| 15:31.15 | primalz | well if you're the only one in it.. |
| 15:31.18 | primalz | shrug |
| 15:31.39 | KatolaZ | aitor_: ? |
| 15:31.46 | aitor_ | shrug? what means that? |
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| 15:33.52 | primalz | shrugging shoulders? to indicate indifference :) |
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| 15:36.27 | aitor_ | oh, yea... shrugging shoulders: encogiendose de hombros :) |
| 15:37.23 | primalz | :) |
| 15:37.57 | aitor_ | katolaz: why do you rename the initrd.img in you image, it'll not work |
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| 15:38.52 | KatolaZ | aitor_: ? |
| 15:39.00 | aitor_ | katolaz i shrugging their shoulders |
| 15:39.10 | KatolaZ | what do you mean "it'll not work"? |
| 15:39.19 | KatolaZ | it is working, AFAICT |
| 15:39.28 | aitor_ | yes? |
| 15:39.34 | aitor_ | then i'll try it |
| 15:39.48 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 15:40.24 | aitor_ | which was your limitation in the size? |
| 15:40.30 | aitor_ | 250? |
| 15:40.40 | aitor_ | it's essential |
| 15:40.58 | KatolaZ | what is essential, aitor_ ? |
| 15:41.48 | aitor_ | the size |
| 15:42.00 | KatolaZ | the size of what? |
| 15:42.28 | aitor_ | i installed curl, and i could sense an overheating |
| 15:43.28 | aitor_ | oh, don't start like fsmithred... |
| 15:44.26 | aitor_ | you wear me down :( |
| 15:44.45 | KatolaZ | aitor_: I don't get what you are talking about, seriously |
| 15:44.45 | aitor_ | i'm exhausted |
| 15:45.00 | KatolaZ | I am sorry for that |
| 15:45.31 | aitor_ | sleep peacefully |
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| 15:47.28 | aitor_ | i'm going to the other computer, i'm with the kernel |
| 15:47.35 | aitor_ | see you later :) |
| 15:52.29 | MinceR | o/ |
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| 16:15.37 | furrywolf | http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/08/entire_washington_wolf_pack_to.html#incart_river_home_pop I hate people. |
| 16:16.06 | MinceR | welcome to the club |
| 16:18.10 | furrywolf | I hate them more than I usually do at the moment. |
| 16:26.27 | minnesotags | hits furrywolf with the off-topic bat. Again. |
| 16:27.07 | MinceR | declines to discuss that bat, because it's off-topic. |
| 16:27.34 | KatolaZ | shields furrywolf, who has evident personal reasons of concern in the matter |
| 16:28.15 | minnesotags | Hello primalz, don't want to be a pest, but what are the plans on the beaglebone black image? |
| 16:28.52 | minnesotags | reminds that there is an excellent off-topic channel, it is at #debianfork. |
| 16:29.33 | furrywolf | files minnesotags under people |
| 16:31.36 | furrywolf | at least I don't talk about beagleboneblacks 24/7. :) |
| 16:32.56 | minnesotags | Or openstack images, or anything actually Devuan related. |
| 16:33.07 | minnesotags | So, yes. You are right. |
| 16:33.50 | furrywolf | actually provides help when people ask for it, like the person the other day trying to work dd... |
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| 16:35.40 | minnesotags | It doesn't help anyone to have to scroll past page after page after page of anyone's politics and personal gripes in the IRC log of the #devuan channel. |
| 16:35.57 | KatolaZ | you are right, minnesotags |
| 16:36.31 | KatolaZ | but you would agree that little or nothing is going on anyway, at least in the last few days :) |
| 16:36.55 | furrywolf | good thing irc is an interactive medium, and if I wanted to write web pages, I'd write web pages, not type on irc and think anyone is going to look at logs of it. |
| 16:37.48 | minnesotags | Why is it so hard for you to take your off-topic stuff to #debianfork? |
| 16:38.00 | furrywolf | dead channels help exactly no one |
| 16:38.28 | minnesotags | KatolaZ; that isn't true. |
| 16:39.32 | KatolaZ | minnesotags: didn't want to argue :) |
| 16:39.39 | KatolaZ | I said you are right |
| 16:39.42 | minnesotags | furrywolf; channels filled with gibberish help exactly no one either. |
| 16:39.55 | furrywolf | has been on irc for ~20 years, and has learned people like minnesotags are harmful to channels |
| 16:40.11 | KatolaZ | come on guys :) |
| 16:40.19 | furrywolf | a channel where everyone is going "na na na na batman!" is better than a dead channel |
| 16:40.22 | minnesotags | KatolaZ; I didn't want to flag names but I'm really interested in what some people are doing. |
| 16:40.28 | KatolaZ | minnesotags: go pet furrywolf's head |
| 16:40.46 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: you do the same with minnesotags |
| 16:40.52 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:41.26 | Leander256 | has been on IRC for 20 years as well, and thniks that furrywolf is being an asshat |
| 16:41.33 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:41.48 | KatolaZ | it is not necessary to start a flame on a silent channel, though |
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| 16:42.52 | Leander256 | this is an endless debate, what we need is someone with legitimacy to say "this channel works this way or that way" |
| 16:42.54 | minnesotags | Nah, it's time for ignore. Problem remains, when people like me look for news in the IRC (so as not to ask redundant questions already asked and answered), we gotta scroll past mountains of garbage chatter about people's vans and Amurka and whatever. |
| 16:45.16 | furrywolf | Leander256: it's an endless debate that I made up my mind about a very long time ago. active channels where people know each other function a lot better than dead channels that no one ever looks at. |
| 16:46.22 | minnesotags | Leander256; true dat. If this is a channel for just idle banter and occasional Devuan related communication, there is no point providing an IRC log, because it is a useless tool. |
| 16:49.12 | minnesotags | is so grateful that furrywolf has rode in on a white horse to save us. "Function better"; define that. Dude, all I asked was a simple, polite request. Pretty please, take your offtopic stuff to #debianfork. Just like it says in the channel header. Too much to ask? |
| 16:49.38 | detha | furrywolf: that is why one keeps two channels. #topic and #topic-social. in #topic there is off-topic police, and a bot trigger stating 'please take it to -social'. People still know each other through social, and #topic is relevant. |
| 16:49.41 | minnesotags | The topic for #devuan is: https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan) - Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork - /msg chanserv info #devuan |
| 16:54.55 | furrywolf | yes, because we have so many people in here asking devuan questions that offtopic conversation gets in the way... |
| 16:55.31 | furrywolf | the only conversation I've seen lately is talk about amprolla and minnesotags constantly talking about some obscure sbc that should be the #1 dev priority. |
| 16:56.15 | MinceR | but we've managed to replace it with discussion about offtopic discussion ;) |
| 16:57.06 | furrywolf | better than silence, at least. :P |
| 16:57.45 | furrywolf | also, I seem to remember trying to help minnesotags, and now I get crap back from him/her. that's an excellent way to encourage helping people! |
| 17:00.00 | golinux | pm awaiting fw |
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| 17:12.59 | Leander256 | furrywolf if you think you detain the truth, then find out who set up that topic and try to convince him otherwise, until then your off-topic discussions have no place here, whether you also help people or not |
| 17:14.39 | furrywolf | contemplates forking devuan's irc |
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| 17:18.59 | MinceR | yeah, but if you bring up stuff like that link there, a lot fewer people will complain about offtopicness :> |
| 17:20.46 | furrywolf | lol. #devuanfork already exists. |
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| 17:24.13 | minnesotags | If Devuan puts up images that don't work, like the Devuan cloud image, and the only Devuan SBC image that I have tried, that is a very, very important issue. It hurts the credibility of the brand. You may find that "obscure". YMMV WEV. |
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| 17:27.35 | minnesotags | When I can pull a working Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, RHEL, Fedora, or even freaking Windows OpenStack image, and it fires right up, no problem, and when I try the same with the supposed Devuan generic "cloud" beta image and it is a screwed up crap ball, I would prefer there were NO image than a broken one. |
| 17:28.15 | minnesotags | So I apologize to you, Furrywolf, for continually posting IRC messages about these two topics of concern. They both affect not my hobby, but my livelihood. |
| 17:29.33 | furrywolf | yes, and until you started complaining at me, I had absolutely no problem with what you said in here, or what anyone else said. |
| 17:29.38 | furrywolf | but if you're going to be a dick, expect the same back. |
| 17:29.49 | MinceR | i don't think the BBB is a particularly obscure ARM SBC |
| 17:29.50 | furrywolf | golinux: I already messaged you again. |
| 17:29.57 | minnesotags | Is asking you to stay on topic being a dick? |
| 17:30.44 | minnesotags | I mean, who is the dick here? The one asking someone to follow the rules, or the person breaking them. |
| 17:31.25 | minnesotags | And here we go, another hour of off-topic shit about being off-topic? YOU WIN! |
| 17:31.31 | furrywolf | bets minnesotags doesn't always come to a full stop and stop signs |
| 17:31.36 | furrywolf | s/and/at |
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| 17:33.33 | minnesotags | .....aaannnnddddd.... IGNORED. |
| 17:34.58 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 18:32.18 | aitor_ | hi |
| 18:33.14 | fsmithred | hi aitor, how's it going? |
| 18:33.51 | aitor_ | i just connected to #debianfork and i can see stevelitt, lidia_K, fsmithred, hellekin, sir archibald broadly... |
| 18:36.23 | aitor_ | i have a doubt in gnuinos |
| 18:37.34 | aitor_ | should i focus the xorg systems to ascii? |
| 18:39.23 | aitor_ | and katolaz :) |
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| 18:43.39 | aitor_ | is there activity in #debianfork? |
| 18:44.24 | MinceR | last line was received there at 20:16:50 |
| 18:46.03 | aitor_ | 20:16:50? |
| 18:46.33 | aitor_ | oh... hours, minutes, seconds' |
| 18:46.33 | MinceR | 20:16:50. |
| 18:46.38 | MinceR | :) |
| 18:46.41 | MinceR | timezone is CEST |
| 18:49.57 | aitor_ | i'm a bit lost with the timezones |
| 18:50.37 | MinceR | i _think_ it's 18:16:50 UTC |
| 18:50.54 | aitor_ | 20:50 here |
| 18:51.11 | fsmithred | last talk was about half hour ago in debianfork |
| 18:51.24 | fsmithred | like here, it's off an on |
| 18:51.41 | aitor_ | yes_, i_ think_ so_... |
| 18:51.50 | fsmithred | aitor_, what are you asking about xorg in gnuinos? |
| 18:53.00 | aitor_ | should be the xorg images based on jessie or ascii |
| 18:54.05 | aitor_ | i can build installers for ascii |
| 18:54.25 | fsmithred | MinceR, your in a time zone that's a half-hour off? |
| 18:54.29 | fsmithred | you're |
| 18:54.42 | MinceR | no |
| 18:55.04 | fsmithred | oh, I get it. |
| 18:56.13 | aitor_ | fsmithred: you said me that you live near Boston |
| 18:56.17 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:56.41 | aitor_ | ***** *****? |
| 18:56.53 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 18:56.59 | aitor_ | yes? |
| 18:57.16 | fsmithred | yes I said that to you, and yes, it's true. |
| 18:57.21 | fsmithred | you want some beans? |
| 18:57.36 | fsmithred | or a red sox hat? |
| 18:57.39 | gci_admin | fsmithred, send 'em! |
| 18:57.53 | aitor_ | **** **** ****, ***! |
| 18:58.07 | fsmithred | all I see is stars |
| 18:58.34 | MinceR | aitor_: hunter2! |
| 18:58.44 | aitor_ | c***k y**r c***k, g*y! |
| 18:58.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 18:59.04 | aitor_ | lol |
| 18:59.10 | fsmithred | I use ntp. It's right. |
| 18:59.33 | fsmithred | does gnuinos normally have a testing release? |
| 18:59.51 | aitor_ | i've a negative energy |
| 19:00.04 | MinceR | you could use it to rebuke undead |
| 19:00.05 | aitor_ | with the clocks |
| 19:00.34 | fsmithred | oh, I know others who kill clocks and especially wrist watches. |
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| 19:02.05 | aitor_ | oh, another visitor ! |
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| 19:04.00 | aitor_ | robert-e: are you going to tests your scripts in th eIRC again? |
| 19:04.15 | aitor_ | are you trying to chroot the IRC? |
| 19:07.20 | aitor_ | dinner, dinner :) |
| 19:07.27 | aitor_ | see you:) |
| 19:07.35 | furrywolf | and work time for me. bbl. |
| 19:10.23 | robert-e | aiter: re scripts..not yet..going to do some more learning about init.d and the intricacies of RC scripting. IE..god helps those who help themselves...lol |
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| 20:21.35 | DeeEff[m] | Hey #devian, just wondering: how can I convince acpi to call pm-suspend when the lid on my laptop is closed? |
| 20:21.42 | DeeEff[m] | #devuan, even |
| 20:22.31 | Centurion_Dan | DeeEff[m]: what OS version are you running. |
| 20:22.35 | DeeEff[m] | reason is pm-suspend seems to properly respect my hook to lock the screen when going to sleep, but the acpi event for locking the screen and then sleeping doesn't work |
| 20:23.08 | DeeEff[m] | Centurion_Dan: ceres |
| 20:23.27 | Centurion_Dan | I suspect that ceres has broken stuff... |
| 20:24.55 | DeeEff[m] | true, but I am doubtful acpi events are broken, as acpi rarely updates or changes |
| 20:28.24 | DeeEff[m] | ah, seems I found the problem |
| 20:28.39 | DeeEff[m] | the script executes as root, but you need to call xscreensaver-command -lock as user |
| 20:28.41 | DeeEff[m] | this is a pain |
| 20:29.16 | Centurion_Dan | what version of upower are you running |
| 20:31.31 | DeeEff[m] | seems it's not installed |
| 20:31.35 | DeeEff[m] | I'm just using acpi |
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| 20:36.40 | DeeEff[m] | aha, so the solution was to replace XUSER=`...` with XUSER=`w -hs | cut -f1 -d' ' | head -n1` |
| 20:36.55 | DeeEff[m] | thanks #devaun, figured it out! |
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| 20:37.50 | Centurion_Dan | upower 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.2 "should" provide the additional support for integrating events from acpi into the user session. |
| 20:38.52 | Centurion_Dan | but that only works for session stuff that listens on dbus. |
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| 21:33.45 | gnu_srs1 | Just a Q: Why do some of you work on live CDs/other distributions/etc instead of maintaining packages in Devuan? I puzzles me :-/ |
| 21:37.56 | golinux | gnu_srs: Because that's what they know how to do? And a functioning live disk is also very much needed. |
| 21:39.58 | gnu_srs1 | apt-get remove -s systemd on one of my boxes reports: The following packages will be REMOVED: gvfs* gvfs-daemons* hplip* libpam-systemd* policykit-1* systemd* udisks2* |
| 21:39.58 | gnu_srs1 | Which of these packages are provided by Devuan jessie/ascii/ceres and which ones are irrelevant/can be rebuilt within Devuan? |
| 21:42.17 | fsmithred | gnu_srs1, I run without any packages that have system anywhere in the name |
| 21:42.43 | fsmithred | therefore, I can't have gvfs-daemons, which means no trash icon and no drive icons on the desktop. |
| 21:43.00 | fsmithred | if I install libsystemd0, I can have those things |
| 21:44.04 | fsmithred | looks like I can install hplip if I want. |
| 21:46.55 | gnu_srs1 | I've tried hplip w/o avahi-daemon but that failed :( Had to install it, even if it's just a recommends, to make the scanner of my multi-function printer to work :-( |
| 21:47.49 | fsmithred | sorry to hear it. |
| 21:48.10 | fsmithred | here's the list of packages that have been forked: https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian |
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| 23:31.32 | iio7 | Too often during an apt-get install I experience a freeze at "httpredir.debian.org", it just sits there at the console at 0% doing nothing. The network is working perfectly. It makes it completely impossible to use APT. |
| 23:31.49 | iio7 | Then after about a minut or two it runs. |
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