| 00:03.14 | golinux | fsmithred: I haven't gotten around to booting the iso I dl'd. I don't like to reboot. |
| 00:03.51 | fsmithred | apt-get install qemu qemu-kvm |
| 00:05.52 | fsmithred | qemu-i386(or -x86_64) -enable-kvm -m 512 -cdrom some.iso |
| 00:06.15 | fsmithred | fuck |
| 00:06.44 | fsmithred | qemu-system-i386 or qemu-system-x86_64 |
| 00:09.57 | fsmithred | spirou, I don't know if apt-mirror is going to work for you. |
| 00:10.44 | fsmithred | most of the packages in the devuan repo are not in the devuan repo at all - they get pulled from debian, and the ones that need systemd get filtered out and replaced with devuan packages when possible. |
| 00:15.34 | spirou | hmm... so apt-mirror would have to understand what packages to download from debian and not, for it to work then? |
| 00:16.51 | spirou | do the devuan repo do a http redirect for all packages that should be got from debian? |
| 00:18.12 | golinux | It's amprolla magic |
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| 00:23.02 | Introspect | Likely everyone here has read this little gem? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Mount |
| 00:23.27 | spirou | I like magic so that sounds perfect! (on the other hand I bet in reality it is sufficiently advanced technology) |
| 00:26.39 | spirou | Introspect: argh!!.... how come I'm not surprised.... |
| 00:27.20 | spirou | now I have to play some game for five hours until I forget |
| 00:27.45 | spirou | clean my mind from the pain |
| 00:31.28 | golinux | fsmithred: Thanks for the qemu mini-howto. I may have to give it a spin! |
| 00:31.45 | fsmithred | it's too easy not to do it |
| 00:32.06 | golinux | Looks like. :) |
| 00:32.27 | fsmithred | my take on that news is that they put a wrapper around mount because systemd couldn't figure out how to use it properly |
| 00:32.32 | golinux | always manages to find an excuse to be unadventurous |
| 00:37.17 | fsmithred | didn't recognize you in your mirror sunglasses |
| 00:44.31 | Inocuous | stylin' |
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| 01:56.29 | golinux | fsmithred: Is this for real? |
| 01:56.43 | golinux | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 01:56.43 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:56.47 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.49 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.51 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.53 | golinux | Suggested packages: |
| 01:56.55 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.57 | golinux | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 01:56.59 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.01 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.16 | golinux | Sorry should have joined lines |
| 01:57.42 | fsmithred | try it with --no-install-recommends |
| 01:59.18 | fsmithred | or instead of qemu package, just install qemu-system-amd64 and x86-64 - they're all separate packages |
| 02:01.21 | golinux | Confusion . . . My system is i386 so I would install qemu-system-i386 right? |
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| 02:02.48 | golinux | But I DL'd the amd64 iso which won't run on i386 but will boot as a live disk. |
| 02:03.49 | fsmithred | depends on what kind of image you want to boot |
| 02:03.51 | fsmithred | take both |
| 02:05.50 | golinux | I have the amd64 burned to disk |
| 02:06.28 | golinux | Beware cinnamon soda bread about to come out of the oven |
| 02:06.42 | golinux | so I will be afk for a while |
| 02:07.04 | fsmithred | ok |
| 02:07.28 | golinux | So which qemu should I install to load that iso? |
| 02:07.55 | fsmithred | you need to run the one that matches the iso you're booting |
| 02:08.00 | golinux | on an i386 host |
| 02:08.38 | fsmithred | I have all of them installed, probably because I installed the metapackage |
| 02:08.47 | golinux | So amd64 will run on an i386 host? Just double checking. |
| 02:08.58 | fsmithred | afaik yes |
| 02:09.22 | golinux | Maybe tomorrow. Enough adventure for one day . . . |
| 02:09.28 | golinux | Thanks for the help. |
| 02:09.32 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 03:54.07 | golinux | fsmithred: ping |
| 03:56.28 | fsmithred | hi |
| 03:56.33 | fsmithred | golinux, |
| 03:56.39 | golinux | I get it installed! |
| 03:56.47 | golinux | got of course |
| 03:56.52 | fsmithred | cool, did you try it yet? |
| 03:57.52 | golinux | Bo. More confusion. When I buened the iso to disk it's named snapshot-live-cd |
| 03:58.07 | fsmithred | yeah, that's right |
| 03:58.21 | fsmithred | it's always named that. |
| 03:58.32 | golinux | No. Not Bopeep |
| 03:58.44 | fsmithred | what are you talking about? |
| 03:58.54 | golinux | Typo above |
| 03:59.14 | golinux | You gave this command qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 512 -cdrom some.iso |
| 03:59.22 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:59.37 | golinux | But there is no .iso on the burned disk! |
| 03:59.50 | fsmithred | what are you going to do with a burned disk? |
| 03:59.57 | fsmithred | I thought you didn't want to reboot. |
| 04:00.03 | golinux | Live boot. |
| 04:00.09 | fsmithred | just boot the iso |
| 04:00.18 | fsmithred | you didn't need to put it on a disk |
| 04:00.21 | golinux | Can't I do the qemu thing from the .iso on my desktop? |
| 04:00.26 | fsmithred | yes |
| 04:00.38 | fsmithred | some.iso means use the file name |
| 04:00.54 | golinux | So I cd to Deaktop them point it to the iso? |
| 04:01.11 | fsmithred | yeah, you can use absolute or relative path |
| 04:01.19 | golinux | unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso |
| 04:01.32 | fsmithred | looks right |
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| 04:01.47 | golinux | is pretty blurry atm and back is not happy |
| 04:02.57 | golinux | So would this work? |
| 04:03.06 | golinux | qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 512 unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso |
| 04:03.15 | fsmithred | no |
| 04:03.28 | fsmithred | you need to tell it that it's a cdrom image |
| 04:03.52 | fsmithred | add the -cdrom back into the command |
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| 04:04.08 | golinux | qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 512 -cdrom unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso |
| 04:04.17 | fsmithred | yes |
| 04:04.31 | fsmithred | is this on your haswell? |
| 04:04.40 | golinux | Let me go try that. Back in a sec. |
| 04:04.54 | golinux | The cinnamon soda bread is yummy btw. |
| 04:05.04 | fsmithred | sounds good |
| 04:06.30 | golinux | Dang! That was fast !! |
| 04:06.38 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 04:06.53 | golinux | Loading up now. |
| 04:07.10 | golinux | Much easier the VBox |
| 04:07.14 | golinux | than |
| 04:07.32 | fsmithred | if you want, I have a script that uses yad, so you don't have to type the command or the file name. |
| 04:08.36 | fsmithred | brb |
| 04:08.47 | golinux | Oops it won't work on an i386 kernel. Couldn't copy the message because no mouse and locked up |
| 04:09.29 | golinux | Closed the terminal and got functionality back |
| 04:10.10 | golinux | Both probably work on amd64 multiarch |
| 04:10.34 | golinux | I need to DL the i386 unofficial iso. |
| 04:11.51 | fsmithred | oh, sorry about that. It's been a long time since I've tried it on 386 |
| 04:13.16 | golinux | That's OK I'm DLing the 386 image now. |
| 04:13.40 | golinux | Don't want to do anything else while that's happening. brb |
| 04:19.16 | golinux | Ah, that image is working |
| 04:27.10 | golinux | Right folder icons! Yea!! Wrong cursor-icon though. Should be dmz-cursor-icons white |
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| 04:34.17 | golinux | No gparted. And it didn't see my thumb drive |
| 04:34.33 | golinux | Bed time for me. |
| 04:34.52 | golinux | Bye |
| 04:35.04 | fsmithred | gnight |
| 04:35.43 | furrywolf | tucks golinux in, then loans her the magic wand for her unhappy back |
| 04:44.12 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime too |
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| 05:08.21 | drogue | test ignore |
| 05:13.47 | Centurion_Dan | Wahoo!! |
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| 05:18.03 | Centurion_Dan | I've cracked it. I just wrote a python class for iterating over a pair of list of objects to make a differential list of tuples ((added|removed|changed), and object). |
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| 05:22.33 | Centurion_Dan | I need this for amprolla so that we can create a delta list of the changes between the last and next update of the Packages, Sources and (In)Release files for each mirror, and then apply that diff to create the merged repo meta-data. This approach will fix amprolla and make it blindingly fast too. |
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| 07:12.16 | aitor | good morning:) |
| 07:12.37 | aitor | today i'll try to fix the bug starting with vdev |
| 07:12.56 | aitor | i downloaded some packages: |
| 07:13.10 | aitor | init, initramfs-tools, initscripts, init-system-helpers, insserv... |
| 07:13.39 | aitor | and generated the Contents-i386: |
| 07:13.52 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/Contents-i386 |
| 07:14.14 | aitor | there is no /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 07:14.38 | aitor | anybody knows which package provides this file? |
| 07:17.25 | aitor | i also used searchmonky in the source looking for a possible "update-rc.d rcS defaults" without satisfactory results |
| 07:19.32 | gnu_srs | dpkg -S /etc/init.d/rcS: sysv-rc: /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 07:20.54 | aitor | thank :) |
| 07:22.16 | aitor | i'll rebuild the packages today |
| 07:23.02 | aitor | i'm also rebuilding linux-libre-4.6.2, yesterday there was a typo in the config file and aufs module was missing |
| 07:23.55 | aitor | i have expectations, it worked for me in july |
| 07:24.01 | aitor | see you :) |
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| 10:34.42 | ryuujin | hi |
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| 10:39.45 | Centurion_Dan | hi |
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| 10:56.54 | TXX | Hey guys, using the beta torrent, i had some issues doing a fresh install of devuan |
| 10:57.15 | TXX | when using the auto.mirror.devuan.org as the package site, i never got all the packages |
| 10:57.40 | TXX | making the installation fail, because of crucial base system package installation failure |
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| 17:07.49 | gnu_srs | Hi, seems like sane is dependent on and needs avahi. Can that crap be omitted by building Devuan packages? |
| 17:08.50 | gnu_srs | Has this been discussed before? I have a faint memory that is was. |
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| 18:21.56 | aitor | gnu_srs: there are many packages depending on libavahi, adwaita-icon-theme is one of them |
| 18:23.43 | Akuli | wat |
| 18:23.52 | Akuli | thats... crazy |
| 18:24.28 | aitor | try to remove libavahi-common3, it removes adwaita-icon-theme |
| 18:25.08 | aitor | in my system at leasty |
| 18:25.13 | aitor | at least |
| 18:25.23 | Akuli | so much stuff depends on it |
| 18:25.40 | aitor | yes, it removes also emacs |
| 18:26.02 | Akuli | thats the most important program on my system :D |
| 18:26.06 | Akuli | i dont want it to get removed |
| 18:26.18 | aitor | me too |
| 18:27.25 | aitor | building linux-libre, i saw that the sources of aufs are added to it via quilt |
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| 18:27.51 | aitor | this quilt patch was missing in the debian branch |
| 18:28.26 | aitor | i downloaded aurfs4-standalone from here: |
| 18:28.27 | aitor | https://github.com/sfjro/aufs4-standalone/tree/57b92ac80a7564243de7e5c69f77e1616af9808a |
| 18:38.03 | jaromil | a clean removal of avahi is high on my priorities for asci |
| 18:38.06 | jaromil | ascii |
| 18:39.19 | aitor | jaromil :) |
| 18:39.51 | jaromil | aitor: hi, reading your progress on linux-libre makes me very happy |
| 18:40.37 | aitor | i'll succed |
| 18:40.52 | aitor | succeed |
| 18:41.09 | aitor | here i'm again with my wooden fingers |
| 18:42.17 | aitor | how about dynebolic? |
| 18:42.39 | aitor | i'll be based on ascii? |
| 18:43.01 | aitor | lxqt, maybe |
| 18:43.44 | aitor | count me in |
| 18:45.38 | aitor | see you :) |
| 18:47.30 | golinux | jaromil: Welcome back! |
| 18:57.39 | jaromil | 10x. i'm still out on vacation, made the Devuan presentation at MOCA and it went very well |
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| 19:11.52 | golinux | jaromil: I'm guessing not in English. I went through the list of presenters and saw your two talks. |
| 19:12.30 | golinux | Would be nice if there were a vid en Anglais |
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| 19:57.38 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 19:58.19 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I have been making good progress on amprolla. |
| 19:58.32 | minnesotags | Howdy Centurion_Dan |
| 19:58.40 | Centurion_Dan | minnesotags: hi |
| 19:59.04 | Centurion_Dan | bbl... gotta get my daughter on the school bus. |
| 19:59.15 | minnesotags | ciao |
| 19:59.19 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: you hanging around for a little?? |
| 20:01.17 | stevelitt | LOL, how well I remember getting my daughters (and son) from the school bus. Now the kids are 23. |
| 20:01.37 | stevelitt | aitor, what's the latest on vdev? |
| 20:01.57 | gci_admin | We home schooled. No need for a bus. :P |
| 20:02.01 | stevelitt | I really admire your packaging and compilation prowess, aitor. I could never do that. |
| 20:02.17 | stevelitt | gci_admin, did you have one parent who stayed home? |
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| 20:28.20 | lich-li | hi |
| 20:30.31 | lich-li | I have used Arch with openRC for last year, and well, it ran okay, but still I am afraid of stability problems, as sometimes I spent hours on making update work fine. I don't like systemd and upstart, and I don't have time for Gentoo. And I will be needing much more time to be spent on not maintaining my OS. Is Devuan right choice for me? |
| 20:32.25 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: unfortunately not, offline for next 48h. but happy to read you :^) |
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| 20:33.47 | jaromil | lich-li: sounds like yes. we are working on a new openrc package that follows gentoo's approach in place of the debian one, while keeping good contact with openrc upstream |
| 20:34.47 | lich-li | jaromil: oh, so devuan works ok with openRC? |
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| 20:36.26 | jaromil | lich-li: yes and we have serious plans for it in testing |
| 20:36.46 | jaromil | but not with the openrc package from debian, which ... sucks for many reasons |
| 20:37.18 | jaromil | we'll follow upstream/gentoo's approach to have a separate directory and make it work side-by-side to sysvinit to facilitate migrations |
| 20:38.00 | lich-li | Oh thats great, but using sysv is also great for me. |
| 20:40.07 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: fair enough. Sorry, just talking to my sister who has just been diagnosed with stage4 lymphoma |
| 20:41.32 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: So sorry to hear that both for your family and this project |
| 20:44.53 | golinux | You don't need more stress i your life. |
| 20:44.59 | golinux | In |
| 20:49.57 | Centurion_Dan | golinux: indeed |
| 20:59.14 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil, I have developed an algorithm for creating a delta fm comparing a pair of lists of objects based on properties of the objects. Now I'm going to work on extending to applying the delta back on to the list of objects. |
| 21:00.10 | Centurion_Dan | Once I have completed that and proven the algorithm, I will apply it to amprolla. |
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| 21:07.28 | Centurion_Dan | The beauty is that because deb822 always presents a sorted list (actually presented as a dict), we can avoid the slow process of searching over all the objects to find each match and instead iterate over current and new list objects making the process linear - ie O(n) where n is the sum of number of objects of both lists. |
| 21:08.18 | Centurion_Dan | My approach will be to rather then recreate the merged from scratch each time, will be to: |
| 21:12.12 | Centurion_Dan | a) create a delta the changes from the source mirror since the last update - first using the (In)Release to reduce the process to only the parts of the dist(s) that have been updated, and then for each packages, sources, contents, and translation files create delta's. |
| 21:14.01 | Centurion_Dan | b) then iteratively, based on the priority of the mirrors apply the delta's to the files in our merged repo, with filters to alleviate dependency issues and blacklists etc. |
| 21:15.54 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: ACK. sounds pretty good that they have a sorted list. I am in favor of taking advantage, assuming good faith, eventually later facing changes if needed |
| 21:15.56 | Centurion_Dan | the beauty of this approach is that we can also make it push driven, so when a package is pushed into /devuan from our CI, we can as a post process have amprolla update just the effected metadata files for /merged. |
| 21:16.17 | jaromil | oh that's great |
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| 21:16.26 | jaromil | that's really good |
| 21:17.05 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: even if it wasn't we can always pre-sort the list. But yes it is guaranteed by the design of the deb822 libraries. |
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| 21:18.51 | Centurion_Dan | this also means that we can do things like apply dependency checks in band and redirect to cached versions of packages where debian introduces breakage. |
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| 21:22.30 | jaromil | this all sounds like good news. I need to have a look at your code, perhaps hellekin should too, as we were discussing having a sort of versatile system that can analyse packages |
| 21:22.56 | jaromil | i need to go now... big hug and till soon! xxx |
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| 21:25.46 | golinux | waves to jaromil |
| 21:25.56 | Centurion_Dan | And it will be fast this way too as most updates will be a handful of changes, and we can split the process. |
| 21:27.23 | Centurion_Dan | Thanks. I will push something too. I'm still doing Proof of Concept on the algorithm but will push that up to git so you can see for yourself. |
| 21:27.46 | Centurion_Dan | er push to git my tests soon. |
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| 21:34.55 | crhY | Do you guys have any kind of alternative to ProxMox that works with devuan? |
| 21:35.06 | crhY | Besides CLI kvm? |
| 21:35.20 | crhY | should probably get better at LXC anyway.... |
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| 21:59.46 | Centurion_Dan | We have systemd free versions of libvirt which make kvm pretty easy. I'm not sure about libvirt with LXC, but that's only because I've not looked in that direction. |
| 22:01.31 | MinceR | i replaced libvirt with a small shell script :> |
| 22:02.08 | MinceR | one of the benefits is that libvirtd no longer gets to waste cpu while no vm is running |
| 22:13.25 | Centurion_Dan | MinceR: Sure, but I've found libvirt to be convenient enough and have hacked on it at times to get around it's limitations. |
| 22:15.37 | MinceR | so have i, but i've found a way to get everything i got from it that i valued without the cost :> |
| 22:20.11 | drogue | test ignore |
| 22:21.30 | drogue | fsmithred i have refrafta on the lenovo t430u now. same issue as before |
| 22:30.52 | fsmithred | hi drogue. Refresh my memory. I forget what the issue was. |
| 22:32.58 | drogue | low disk space warning on file syst4em root |
| 22:33.32 | fsmithred | how big did you make / ? |
| 22:35.13 | fsmithred | drogue, when you installed refracta, did you re-use your old partitions? |
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| 22:42.43 | drogue | i just used live refracta |
| 22:43.01 | drogue | not installed |
| 22:43.22 | drogue | probably it is me doing something wrong |
| 22:44.52 | drogue | so when the de comes up i see only the disk I used to boot from mounted |
| 22:45.12 | drogue | so this is on an 8gb usb drive |
| 22:51.58 | drogue | wait. i did not boot into refracta. this is my install with the problem already |
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| 22:58.07 | aitor | stevelitt... |
| 22:58.25 | aitor | are you tallking about vdev? |
| 22:58.28 | aitor | https://www.google.es/search?q=estamos+trabajando+en+ello+aznar&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=gdS8V8iaJMPaasDWm6AHhttps://www.google.es/search?q=estamos+trabajando+en+ello+aznar&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=gdS8V8iaJMPaasDWm6AH |
| 22:58.42 | aitor | estamos trabajando en ello |
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| 23:03.39 | pencilandpaper | This is different than the #debianfork channel huh? |
| 23:03.47 | fsmithred | drogue, refracta has a different login screen and a different desktop appearance. Maybe F8 or F12 or ESC at POST will get you to the device menu. |
| 23:04.28 | fsmithred | no vdev today, aitor |
| 23:04.48 | aitor | first the kernel |
| 23:04.58 | fsmithred | yes, pencilandpaper, this is the devuan channel. We tend to stay on-topic here. |
| 23:05.21 | fsmithred | brb |
| 23:05.36 | aitor | what meens brb? |
| 23:05.57 | Lydia_K | brb = be right back |
| 23:06.06 | aitor | o,k |
| 23:10.04 | aitor | i'm reading the IRC |
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| 23:13.28 | fsmithred | how do you say brb in Spanish? |
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| 23:19.26 | IoFran | fsmithred: how do you say brb in Spanish? <= Vuelvo enseguida |
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