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| 00:08.59 | golinux | The poll is back after they screwed it up!!!! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll |
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| 00:17.25 | fsmithred | how did they screw it up? |
| 00:18.21 | fsmithred | golinux, |
| 00:20.10 | golinux | I'm about to post to the list |
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| 00:26.59 | lime_ | So do I need to raise an issue on gitlab |
| 00:26.59 | lime_ | To |
| 00:27.29 | lime_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.00 | golinux | lime_: Post the url and I can make the changes |
| 01:03.43 | golinux | I have no control over when it will get merged though. Some changes I made weeks ago are still awaiting some love. |
| 01:04.11 | golinux | fsmithred: The email went poof. |
| 01:04.57 | fsmithred | so did my computer |
| 01:05.19 | fsmithred | I pulled out a thumb drive and the computer shut down instantly |
| 01:05.27 | golinux | The poll went to the archives with results from another poll having nothing to do with Devuan. I sent an email and suddenly the poll was starting from scratch. |
| 01:05.42 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 01:05.56 | fsmithred | they contaminated the results from the other poll? |
| 01:06.22 | golinux | Wow! That's serious. I'm guessing that vdev couldn't deal with it? |
| 01:06.40 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 01:06.48 | golinux | Not contaminated. Obliterated, it seems. |
| 01:08.53 | golinux | So go vote again |
| 01:09.14 | fsmithred | yeah, ok, but the results are now shit |
| 01:10.07 | fsmithred | I thought the results looked good before |
| 01:10.27 | fsmithred | among those who had tried it, three times as many thought it was ready as thought it was not |
| 01:11.22 | fsmithred | and half the respondents said they wouldn't try it. Maybe because they are using one of the other 400 distros. |
| 01:11.38 | fsmithred | there are more distros than there were respondents. |
| 01:11.39 | golinux | Maybe post it on the refracta forum? |
| 01:12.11 | golinux | Could maybe pick up a few votes |
| 01:13.36 | fsmithred | I won't stop you. |
| 01:14.37 | fsmithred | I miss the days when you could find web pages in your cache. |
| 01:24.07 | golinux | I regularly find pages in my history |
| 01:24.26 | golinux | It goes back forever! |
| 01:25.09 | golinux | Cache gets cleared out regularly because iceweasel comes to a stand still when it gets stuffed. |
| 01:27.37 | golinux | afk |
| 01:28.39 | fsmithred | there's no ff cache directory. and wtf is this directory called saved-telemetry-pings? |
| 01:30.38 | MinceR | well, in the Age of Microsoft, "telemetry" means "spyware" |
| 01:30.42 | MinceR | so it's not a good sign |
| 01:32.38 | fsmithred | I don't suppose switching to chrome will help |
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| 01:46.46 | DeeEff[m] | Firefox telemetry can be disabled entirely in the settings, the folder is probably there from when you installed. |
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| 02:24.14 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 02:24.32 | Centurion_Dan | comes up for air |
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| 02:24.54 | Centurion_Dan | I've been deep diving into amprolla code... |
| 02:26.20 | Chanku | gives Centurion_Dan another oxygen tank |
| 02:27.50 | Centurion_Dan | thanks Chanku |
| 02:27.56 | Chanku | You're welcome |
| 02:28.05 | Chanku | I would help out, but I doubt I would be of any use |
| 02:28.06 | Chanku | :P |
| 02:28.35 | Centurion_Dan | It's as much a learning curve for me in python as anything. |
| 02:29.47 | Chanku | Wait Amprolla is in python? |
| 02:29.52 | Chanku | Python 2 or 3? |
| 02:30.22 | Chanku | Because if it's Python 3 I can help |
| 02:30.35 | Chanku | If it's Python 2 I'm less helpful, but I can still help out a bit |
| 02:35.27 | Chanku | looks to be Python 2 |
| 02:37.01 | furrywolf | I learned all I wanted about python a long time ago. eww. |
| 02:37.04 | Chanku | Centurion_Dan, I wonder if there is anything I could do to help |
| 02:42.19 | Chanku | >.< it seems like the email I used is currently unavailable due to the fact that the server is currently down for some reason |
| 02:49.45 | furrywolf | got my pepper plants from http://www.ebay.com/itm/252499241647 today. they look GREAT. |
| 02:49.49 | furrywolf | meh, wrong channel |
| 02:50.07 | Chanku | oh well |
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| 02:59.51 | Chanku | I guess I will just have to wait for Centurion_Dan to resurface again :P |
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| 03:07.22 | Centurion_Dan | resurfaces... |
| 03:07.25 | Centurion_Dan | ?? |
| 03:07.53 | Centurion_Dan | Chanku? |
| 03:08.06 | Chanku|Mobile | Yes? |
| 03:09.57 | Chanku|Mobile | Centurion_Dan |
| 03:10.31 | Centurion_Dan | you were waiting for me to resurface? |
| 03:10.49 | Centurion_Dan | I |
| 03:11.10 | furrywolf | he wishes to provide amprolla help, as he knows python. |
| 03:11.47 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah what furrywolf said |
| 03:12.59 | Centurion_Dan | The language is not that hard to learn but amprolla is quite complex. |
| 03:13.16 | Chanku|Mobile | Yeah. I just took a look over the source. |
| 03:13.42 | Chanku|Mobile | A bit of code documentation would really help :P |
| 03:14.02 | Chanku|Mobile | But yeah. Is there anything I can do to help Centurion_Dan? |
| 03:16.32 | Centurion_Dan | I need to write a function to create a delta of the archive release file. But it's a special delta |
| 03:16.59 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. |
| 03:19.11 | Centurion_Dan | If you look at the release file say https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/InRelease, and say the MD5SUM (I'll use the SHA256 section actually - but that's irrelevant), |
| 03:20.44 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay |
| 03:23.23 | Centurion_Dan | and ignore the release file structure as I am using a library that already will give me that section as a set of records that are a list of objects that make up each part of the record. |
| 03:23.53 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay |
| 03:24.48 | Centurion_Dan | I need to create a delta that tells me about records that are: |
| 03:24.48 | Centurion_Dan | a) added based on the path and records |
| 03:26.05 | Centurion_Dan | or b) have a changed checksum |
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| 03:26.12 | Chanku|Mobile | Okay. |
| 03:26.16 | Centurion_Dan | or c) have been removed |
| 03:26.42 | Centurion_Dan | the filesize is of no concern |
| 03:27.29 | Chanku|Mobile | So um Dan is there anything that I could particularly do to help out? Not necessarily with what you are working on, but in general for amprolla... |
| 03:28.10 | Centurion_Dan | c) is based also is based on the path |
| 03:30.47 | Centurion_Dan | It needs to be generic as I need to also use a similar diff function for parsing the Packages and Sources files as well to identify packages that have been added, removed or changed, and whether there are duplicates or not. |
| 03:33.08 | Chanku|Mobile | Hey Centurion_Dan sorry to do this but I gotta go.. |
| 03:33.29 | Centurion_Dan | furrywolf? |
| 03:33.48 | furrywolf | yes? |
| 03:33.58 | Centurion_Dan | thoughts?? |
| 03:34.11 | furrywolf | I didn't read it... sec. |
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| 03:35.17 | furrywolf | for a quick hack, my first approach would be to output the path/filename and checksum, one per line, and run it through diff. :) |
| 03:36.11 | furrywolf | I wasn't paying any attention to the conversation... what is this for? |
| 03:36.45 | Centurion_Dan | yeah that's what I was thinking. The lists do look like they're already sorted, so difflib.differ might be good enough. |
| 03:38.35 | furrywolf | I don't know python. |
| 03:38.52 | Centurion_Dan | It's for creating a delta of the (In)Release checksum records so that I can identify which parts of a dist have changed. |
| 03:38.54 | furrywolf | I poked at it a while ago, because it was the new cool thing, and absolutely despised it. |
| 03:39.18 | Centurion_Dan | ??<quote>3:11:11 pm - furrywolf: he wishes to provide amprolla help, as he knows python.</quote> |
| 03:40.04 | furrywolf | right... and I know exactly zip about amprolla. :P |
| 03:40.16 | furrywolf | can repeat words without knowing anything about them, much like a parrot. :P |
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| 03:42.46 | furrywolf | I mean, I know it's part of the repository merging stuff, but I know nothing at all about how it operates. |
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| 03:49.58 | furrywolf | if you actually need help, I can look at the code this weekend... I'm pretty exhausted now, and not in a state to usefully analyze code in a language I'm not very familiar with. |
| 03:52.47 | Centurion_Dan | furrywolf: no big deal. I'm making big changes to the core flow at the moment so I don't have anything working to show yet. |
| 03:53.13 | furrywolf | my new job is slowly draining the life out of me. sigh. |
| 03:58.52 | Centurion_Dan | That's no good. Why? |
| 03:59.58 | furrywolf | too many hours, wrong hours, stressful. the usual. |
| 04:00.18 | furrywolf | and I'm too exhausted afterwards to do anything. |
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| 04:03.05 | Centurion_Dan | Is it just something you need to adjust too, or did you take on something that's turned out to be very challenging? |
| 04:04.00 | furrywolf | it's a delivery route, 6-10 hours depending on the day. it was supposed to be an early morning route... four days after I started it, they moved it to noon-2pm. |
| 04:04.10 | furrywolf | so now I get back late and exhausted. |
| 04:04.59 | furrywolf | and it's driving on the worst roads in the area, stresfully driving way too fast to try to get done at a less-unreasonable time, while the morning route would have allowed for a leisurely drive. |
| 04:06.40 | Centurion_Dan | no point in stressing over it. If it's not to your liking use your mornings to look for something else... |
| 04:07.02 | furrywolf | that is one of those easier said than done things. :) |
| 04:07.19 | furrywolf | much like developing a linux distro is much easier said than done. |
| 04:07.38 | furrywolf | plus I have a back injury, which rules out most labor jobs. |
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| 04:14.06 | furrywolf | I am really, really not a night person. I'd much rather start at 7am... |
| 04:15.16 | Centurion_Dan | furrywolf: Did you tell the boss that's not what you signed up for and you'll be looking for a better opportunity? |
| 04:15.17 | furrywolf | speaking of which... bbl, wolfy bedtime. |
| 04:15.42 | Centurion_Dan | nighty nite ;-) |
| 04:15.45 | furrywolf | Centurion_Dan: yes. the boss said he has 9 resumes in his pile, and I'm welcome to go live in the back of my van at any time want. |
| 04:17.46 | Centurion_Dan | Ah, one of those. Best to bide your time and look for something better. |
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| 04:21.15 | furrywolf | I don't have the body for any physical jobs, and I don't have the brains for any technical jobs, so... oh well. |
| 04:21.16 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep! |
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| 07:08.43 | aesin | q |
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| 08:18.59 | aitor | q? |
| 08:22.44 | aitor | fsmithred: i'm downloading the refracta images |
| 08:23.25 | aitor | i'll try to include d-i into them with devuan's kernel |
| 08:23.30 | aitor | see you later |
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| 12:35.49 | minnesotags | Furrywolf, dude, can you take your offtopic stuff to debianfork man? Please? Like, pretty please with a cherry on top? I (and others) are trying to find Devuan info here and I gotta wade through, like metric megabytes of you talking about your van and stuff. Have mercy? |
| 13:07.27 | sixwheeledbeast | metric megabytes, lol |
| 13:10.27 | sxpert | metric megabytes are used by disk manufacturers |
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| 13:34.49 | minnesotags | sixwhee |
| 13:35.07 | minnesotags | sixwheeledbeast: I know, right? Like, metric assloads. |
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| 13:59.43 | golinux | minnesotags: FW is quite self-absorbed in her own little soap opera and just doesn't get appropriateness for this channel. But then many of us have been guilty of that at times. |
| 14:00.16 | golinux | Thanks for trying though . . . |
| 14:02.25 | golinux | fsmithred: Could you please post the url for the latest refracta image? And also the md5sum? I was having trouble sorting that out last night - too many options |
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| 14:08.58 | aitor | i downloaded from the website, dated at 20160722 |
| 14:09.46 | aitor | one is based on devuan |
| 14:13.03 | golinux | I got the one from 20160817 |
| 14:13.54 | golinux | I think that was the most recent but since the filenames are truncated, it's difficult to compare. |
| 14:14.18 | golinux | And I couldn't find the md5sum |
| 14:14.30 | golinux | Back to equestrian . . . |
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| 14:18.28 | aitor | i downloaded from here |
| 14:18.30 | aitor | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing// |
| 14:18.57 | fsmithred | hi aitor |
| 14:19.11 | aitor | hi |
| 14:19.27 | fsmithred | yeah, the latest images show up as the first two files. |
| 14:19.50 | fsmithred | and the md5sums checked out after I uploaded them, but they've been known to change on sourceforge |
| 14:19.53 | aitor | 20160722 and 20160725 |
| 14:20.34 | fsmithred | latest refracta images are aug. 17 |
| 14:20.51 | aitor | where is the link? |
| 14:21.11 | aitor | are they based on devuan? |
| 14:21.27 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/refracta8_xfce_i386_rc1-20160722_1444.iso |
| 14:21.34 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:21.41 | fsmithred | yeah, you're right about the date |
| 14:21.48 | fsmithred | I re-uploaded the same images |
| 14:22.10 | aitor | 20170722 is july |
| 14:22.12 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/refracta8_xfce_amd64_beta2-20160725_1707.iso/download |
| 14:22.18 | fsmithred | yes, correct |
| 14:22.35 | fsmithred | golinux ^^^ |
| 14:22.46 | aitor | check your clock, guy! |
| 14:22.48 | fsmithred | I deleted them on the server and then uploaded them again |
| 14:22.55 | fsmithred | lol, my clock is right |
| 14:23.00 | aitor | ok |
| 14:23.34 | aitor | what about the banner? |
| 14:23.48 | aitor | do you wnat it black? |
| 14:23.57 | fsmithred | you want separate background and logo? |
| 14:24.03 | aitor | do you need sunglasses for the installer? |
| 14:24.04 | fsmithred | I sent you email a few minutes ago |
| 14:24.15 | fsmithred | yes, you want the one I made darker? |
| 14:24.35 | fsmithred | golinux will get mad at us if we screw up her artwork |
| 14:25.04 | fsmithred | brb |
| 14:25.05 | aitor | ok, i'll use a dark theme for the banner and the moustage for the background |
| 14:27.40 | aitor | fsmithred: figldev sent me a link of a distribution appearently based on puppy |
| 14:27.54 | aitor | it uses pet packages |
| 14:28.17 | aitor | are you also working on that |
| 14:29.51 | aitor | i like gboth themes |
| 14:29.55 | aitor | both |
| 14:29.59 | fsmithred | not working on it, but I played with it |
| 14:30.36 | fsmithred | he wrote a couple of scripts that download a tahrpup iso and a refracta iso, and then it rolls them into a single iso with dual boot into pup or refracta |
| 14:31.00 | aitor | single iso' |
| 14:31.03 | fsmithred | so you could have dual-boot optical media |
| 14:31.42 | fsmithred | he's also started adding puppy packages to refracta and refracta packages to pup, I think |
| 14:31.54 | fsmithred | and latest news is someone else made a devuan-based pup |
| 14:31.57 | aitor | it was a torrent of 4 gigas, i still didn't try it, but i supose taht there are several desktops, isn't it? |
| 14:32.14 | fsmithred | 4 g sounds huge |
| 14:32.40 | fsmithred | refracta is 700M and pup should be smaller than that |
| 14:32.52 | aitor | the author of puppy doesn't like systemd |
| 14:32.53 | fsmithred | maybe it's quad-boot? |
| 14:33.13 | aitor | he's australian |
| 14:33.50 | fsmithred | if he's a night owl, he could come visit us here |
| 14:34.19 | aitor | lol |
| 14:34.25 | fsmithred | I tried an experiment today |
| 14:34.32 | aitor | tell me |
| 14:34.38 | fsmithred | unpacked a devuan netinstall iso |
| 14:34.46 | fsmithred | unpacked my unofficial live |
| 14:35.02 | fsmithred | copied the live directory to the unpacked netinstall directory |
| 14:35.15 | fsmithred | added an entry to txt.cfg for the live |
| 14:35.19 | fsmithred | repacked the iso |
| 14:35.37 | fsmithred | it boots in vbox, but the desktop doesn't come up- just black |
| 14:35.44 | fsmithred | I can boot to single-user |
| 14:35.51 | aitor | today everything went wrong for me :( |
| 14:36.03 | fsmithred | what did you do? |
| 14:36.08 | fsmithred | or what were you trying to do? |
| 14:36.44 | fsmithred | brb. need more coffee |
| 14:37.04 | aitor | d-i with linux-4.6.2, the modules load succesfully, but some package is corrupted |
| 14:37.16 | aitor | not belonging to the kernel |
| 14:38.31 | aitor | does refracta need any password in live mode? |
| 14:39.04 | aitor | and what about root's password? |
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| 14:42.47 | golinux | fsmithred: Is that link an unofficial Devuan? |
| 14:44.00 | fsmithred | no, you asked for refracta |
| 14:44.42 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/unofficial_live_devuan_beta_i386_snapshot-20160818_1017.iso |
| 14:45.02 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso/download |
| 14:45.13 | fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso |
| 14:45.13 | aitor | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/latest/download?source=files |
| 14:45.27 | aitor | ups! |
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| 14:45.33 | golinux | Oops. Sorry to confuse you. |
| 14:45.37 | fsmithred | that will get you the amd64 |
| 14:45.45 | fsmithred | aitor's link, I mean |
| 14:46.18 | aitor | i'll add d-i to it |
| 14:46.32 | golinux | unofficial_live_devuan_beta_amd64_snapshot-20160817_1926.iso is the one I dl last night. |
| 14:46.34 | fsmithred | cool, I hope that works better than what I tried |
| 14:46.47 | fsmithred | yes, golinux |
| 14:46.51 | aitor | it'll work, be sure :) |
| 14:46.57 | fsmithred | you had problem with the md5sum? |
| 14:47.07 | golinux | OK. Thanks Where is the md5sum? |
| 14:47.07 | aitor | is there a root password, this is essential |
| 14:47.18 | fsmithred | devuan/devuan, root/devuan |
| 14:47.35 | aitor | Mmmh, i'll have to remove it |
| 14:47.47 | golinux | It'd in the readme file ;) |
| 14:48.04 | golinux | *It's |
| 14:48.11 | fsmithred | no, the md5sum is only in the md5sum file for the iso |
| 14:48.24 | fsmithred | it's also signed this time |
| 14:48.31 | aitor | i doubt d-i will work with a root's password, but i've never tried it |
| 14:48.35 | golinux | For refracta it's user/user root/root IIRC |
| 14:49.17 | fsmithred | yes, but aitor is using the uno-devuan |
| 14:49.20 | golinux | I couldn't locate the file in that list |
| 14:49.30 | fsmithred | it's not in a list |
| 14:49.37 | fsmithred | wait, what? |
| 14:50.04 | golinux | This is getting too complicated. I'll just burn it without checking. |
| 14:50.30 | fsmithred | three files for each iso: the iso, the iso.md5, and the iso.asc |
| 14:50.31 | golinux | wants to get back to equestian - jumping. |
| 14:51.46 | fsmithred | I hope you're watching and not participating. |
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| 14:57.38 | fsmithred | aitor, will the d-i be accessed from within the live system, or at the boot screen? |
| 14:58.07 | aitor | i'll remove both passwords |
| 14:58.52 | aitor | no password will be needed |
| 14:59.08 | aitor | in live mode |
| 15:00.27 | fsmithred | debian-installer-launcher has Exec:su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/debian-installer-launcher |
| 15:00.55 | fsmithred | that probably won't work if there's a password set, but if you changed su-to-root to sudo it should work |
| 15:01.16 | fsmithred | live-config enables sudo nopasswd for the user |
| 15:02.50 | aitor | that's for the live-installer, don't confuse the live-installer (i.e. to run the installer in live mode) with the live-installer.udeb package |
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| 15:05.58 | aitor | yes, live-config enables sduo nopasswd for the user, but sometimes it fails |
| 15:06.07 | aitor | i use a script fot that |
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| 15:07.27 | fsmithred | sometimes with the same build, or sometimes like: last month is did this, and now it does that |
| 15:07.29 | fsmithred | ? |
| 15:07.48 | lime_ | Golinux: mirror.vividspark.org |
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| 15:08.03 | fsmithred | golinux, ^^^ |
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| 15:08.52 | fsmithred | lime, use tab-complete on names. Then the recipient will get a notification of some sort. (I dont know how universal that is) |
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| 15:09.16 | aitor | if it works, it'll work with the same build, of course |
| 15:10.03 | fsmithred | I've noticed inconsistencies in the behavior of live-config over the last three years. |
| 15:10.18 | aitor | me too |
| 15:10.22 | fsmithred | sometimes some scripts will run, and other times they won't |
| 15:10.42 | fsmithred | it may have settled down when jessie went stable |
| 15:10.48 | fsmithred | but I'm not sure |
| 15:11.24 | aitor | debian jessie doesn't shutdown in live mode with due to systemd |
| 15:11.30 | lime_ | Not using a client that supports it fsmithread |
| 15:11.46 | aitor | in live mode due to systemd |
| 15:11.53 | fsmithred | I no longer add specific components to the boot command, because what was happening was that I'd add a component and it would disable some of the default components |
| 15:12.36 | fsmithred | lime, no tab-complete or no notification? |
| 15:13.29 | fsmithred | aitor, and you can't make a live build without systemd (in debian) |
| 15:14.09 | lime_ | Tab complete, on my phone anyway |
| 15:14.18 | aitor | in debian? i doubt |
| 15:14.34 | aitor | wht's the reason why? |
| 15:14.42 | fsmithred | nfc |
| 15:14.47 | lime_ | I'll install hackers keyboard |
| 15:15.40 | fsmithred | is hackers keyboard hardware or software? (my phone is just a phone) |
| 15:15.49 | Akuli | wow |
| 15:15.59 | Akuli | i'm not the only one here not using a smartphone |
| 15:16.27 | fsmithred | mine is just smart enough to send and receive text messages. most of the time. |
| 15:16.35 | aitor | i haven't used debianover one year ago, or more... |
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| 15:17.39 | lime_ | software, there's a hardware version? |
| 15:17.51 | fsmithred | looking ahead, we need to find a replacement for all the live-* packages |
| 15:17.59 | fsmithred | usb keyboard? |
| 15:18.05 | fsmithred | I don't know, lime |
| 15:18.24 | aitor | fsmithred, i'll continue working in the installer; so, see you later, ok? |
| 15:18.33 | fsmithred | ok, take care |
| 15:18.38 | aitor | :) |
| 15:20.10 | lime_ | I just use a wee cherry keyboard |
| 15:21.26 | furrywolf | I hate touchscreens. |
| 15:23.28 | lime_ | same but I hate blackberry phones more |
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| 15:39.40 | fsmithred | the iso I made this morning does work - desktop comes up. I needed to add 'username=devuan' to the boot command. |
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| 16:04.20 | golinux | lime_: Just added your mirror to the index page of the site. |
| 16:04.39 | golinux | Hopefully jaromil will update things soon. |
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| 16:48.33 | sipos | Does anyone know where I can find the key fingerprints for keys used to sign the SHA256.asc file? |
| 16:52.21 | sipos | Found this page but, they key on there does not seem to correspond to the one used. |
| 16:52.25 | sipos | https://devuan.org/os/keyring/ |
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| 16:56.22 | sipos | It appears to be jaromil's personal key, as linked from his website. It would be good if all the keys used to sign these files were on the website, somewhere like https://devuan.org/os/keyring/ |
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| 17:13.37 | hplar | (reposting from debianfork) |
| 17:13.39 | hplar | i noticed talk of live-CD in devuan channel, and the thanks to Daniell Baumann yesterday |
| 17:13.52 | hplar | mentioned it to Daniel ... he has moved on to work on open-infrastructure |
| 17:14.02 | hplar | unfortunately from devuan perspective he accepts systemd |
| 17:14.13 | hplar | and does not have the capacity (i guess or interest in the additional work) to provide two platforms himself |
| 17:14.20 | hplar | not sure |
| 17:14.30 | hplar | i am for this, but he does the work, i mean it is his project |
| 17:14.42 | hplar | i have been requesting that he tries find a way |
| 17:14.51 | hplar | https://open-infrastructure.net/ |
| 17:15.00 | hplar | have also mentioned that there are voices here i like (as in enjoy reading) ... Lydia_K 's linux stength of ecosystem in diversity stuff e.g. |
| 17:15.12 | hplar | dnl does not know anything as far as i know about how things are progressing with devuan's live CD |
| 17:15.22 | hplar | open-infrastructure, and forges ahead with systemd and that won't change but his work might be useful |
| 17:15.30 | hplar | i speak for him as a friend of his, great guy |
| 17:16.14 | fsmithred | Thanks, hplar. I sent an email off to frits, ozi and aitor, who are working on an official devuan-live |
| 17:17.57 | fsmithred | Right now, there are a few unofficial devuan-live CDs that were made in various ways. |
| 17:17.58 | golinux | hplar: Thanks for doing this |
| 17:18.54 | hplar | golinux fsmithred dnl good luck all |
| 17:19.05 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 17:19.20 | golinux | hplar; You might also want to check out http://refracta.freeforums.org/ |
| 17:20.11 | golinux | and http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ |
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| 21:22.38 | ryuujin | hi |
| 21:23.57 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 21:24.07 | golinux | \o |
| 21:27.06 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: Search for hplar in the logs here and on #debianfork for some interesting convo this morning |
| 21:27.45 | golinux | about live-CD |
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| 21:49.38 | lime_ | evening all |
| 21:51.09 | lime_ | golinux: did you get that url? |
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| 22:10.46 | dnl | golinux: afair refracta was a top-down tool, not bottom-up. which is imho not the right way to do things; |
| 22:11.31 | dnl | images should always be bootstrapped from scratch to ensure cleanness and reproducability. |
| 22:11.52 | dnl | (ymmv, of course) |
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| 22:14.10 | dnl | fsmithred: hi; would you mind summarizing in a few sentences the current state of things wrt/ devuan live systems? |
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| 22:18.44 | golinux | fsmithred: ping ^^^ |
| 22:19.01 | golinux | dnl: Welcome! |
| 22:19.54 | dnl | thanks :) |
| 22:19.58 | golinux | lime_: <golinux> lime_: Just added your mirror to the index page of the site. |
| 22:19.59 | golinux | <golinux> Hopefully jaromil will update things soon. |
| 22:20.17 | golinux | From a few hours ago. |
| 22:22.21 | golinux | dnl: I'm not the best one to talk to about live-CD stuff. I'm more of an advocate/go-between than hands-on techie. |
| 22:23.03 | golinux | I have used refracta for years but still understand very little about how it works. |
| 22:24.58 | golinux | Hopefully, you can catch fsmithred or frits or aitor or ozi. A lot of their communication has been by email. Perhaps you can join in that conversation. |
| 22:25.59 | golinux | Let me try emailing fsmithred |
| 22:28.07 | golinux | dnl: Done. Hope he wakes up soon. |
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| 22:34.07 | fsmithred | back |
| 22:34.28 | fsmithred | golinux, dnl you still here? |
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| 22:36.01 | fsmithred | dnl, I can summarize what I've done: I made an unofficial devuan live using refractasnapshot, which uses live-boot and live-config packages. It makes an rsync copy of the filesystem, squashes it, and packs it into an iso. |
| 22:36.34 | fsmithred | Others have been working on live-build and an official devuan-live |
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| 22:37.53 | dnl | fsmithred: falling asleep any moment :) |
| 22:39.07 | fsmithred | have good dreams |
| 22:39.24 | dnl | if you're interested, i can help/show you do whatever's needed with getting bootstrapped images done |
| 22:39.55 | fsmithred | we need to get you and frits together. He's the one who was trying to adapt live-build to devuan |
| 22:39.59 | dnl | but i'm personally thinking that the top-down approach of tools like refracta is not the right way to do things. |
| 22:40.20 | fsmithred | it's more for individual use, I know. |
| 22:40.38 | fsmithred | devuan needs an automated system |
| 22:40.50 | dnl | (feel free to do top-down though, it's just that i personaly will not spend any time on this) |
| 22:41.01 | fsmithred | I understand |
| 22:42.57 | fsmithred | I made the live isos partly because there wasn't a live release, and partly because the devuan beta isos could only do netinstall. My scripts install from the running live-CD. |
| 22:43.08 | fsmithred | just a temporary measure. |
| 22:43.17 | fsmithred | we really want to get live-build working for us. |
| 22:43.56 | dnl | i'll stay in the channel for the next couple of days.. let's see if i can catch fits :) |
| 22:44.05 | fsmithred | thanks! |
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| 22:44.36 | dnl | need to go to bed now.. bye. |
| 22:44.40 | fsmithred | bye |
| 22:45.06 | dnl | (no need to thank, haven't done anything :) |
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| 23:13.30 | golinux | Glad you caught dnl. Sorry I missed it. I had to take a few to rest my back. |
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