| 00:00.05 | fsmithred | I've done it several times with wheezy to devuan jessie |
| 00:00.27 | fsmithred | should be pretty easy unless you're expecting gnome to survive. |
| 00:00.54 | sled-dog | gnome can eat a dumpster for all I care |
| 00:01.03 | fsmithred | I think it already has. |
| 00:01.39 | fsmithred | I also think going from wheezy might be easier, since everything is getting replaced with newer versions. |
| 00:02.04 | fsmithred | jessie to jessie might involve more intervention. |
| 00:02.15 | sled-dog | then do an uprade? makes sense |
| 00:02.25 | sled-dog | s/uprade/upgrade/ |
| 00:04.36 | sled-dog | I think I'll give this a college try |
| 00:04.55 | sled-dog | thanks |
| 00:05.36 | lkcl | fsmithred: thx |
| 00:05.47 | fsmithred | hi |
| 00:06.27 | lkcl | fsmithred: that's why i run trinity desktop and/or lxde on devuan, they both work perfectly fine. |
| 00:07.06 | fsmithred | from what I can tell, lots of stuff works perfectly fine. |
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| 00:07.41 | mmlj4 | I was just here, as sleddog |
| 00:07.53 | fsmithred | I can't have a desktop trash icon unless I break down and install libsystemd0 |
| 00:08.19 | fsmithred | hi mmlj4 |
| 00:08.38 | fsmithred | what kind of server you planning to run? |
| 00:14.38 | mmlj4 | if I keep it, web/email/vpn/etc. |
| 00:15.04 | mmlj4 | if I don't, then another distro (my list is getting pretty short these days) |
| 00:15.33 | fsmithred | you're used to debian? |
| 00:17.17 | mmlj4 | ran it for several years |
| 00:17.23 | mmlj4 | then ran away from it |
| 00:17.53 | fsmithred | cool. devuan is more like debian than debian is now. |
| 00:18.04 | mmlj4 | cool |
| 00:18.49 | mmlj4 | centos 6 is getting rather long in the tooth these days, gotta start planning a move |
| 00:19.12 | fsmithred | lol, it's got 4 more years of life. |
| 00:20.45 | mmlj4 | only 4 years, plus the last couple are going to be as centos 5 is now... dead, stale, apt to be busted into |
| 00:21.57 | mmlj4 | I'm flipping coins... slack, freebsd or this |
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| 00:22.21 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:22.35 | mmlj4 | each has its downsides |
| 00:22.38 | fsmithred | you wanna try an unofficial live iso? |
| 00:23.00 | fsmithred | I made a live iso from the beta release of devuan |
| 00:23.10 | mmlj4 | why? linode is cheap, I'm about to start the migration scheme in a few |
| 00:23.20 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:23.34 | fsmithred | flip away |
| 00:27.44 | mmlj4 | frankly, I do not like debian very much. I'm competent with it, it does the job, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy myself while using it |
| 00:36.03 | mmlj4 | OK, for the sources... I want to s/jessie/wheezy/ on this page? https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan |
| 00:37.20 | fsmithred | lemme check |
| 00:37.25 | furrywolf | I just called a 1-800-I-drive-like-utter-shit number. I've never called one of them before. was surprisingly painless. I should do it more often. |
| 00:38.17 | fsmithred | mmlj4, yes |
| 00:38.23 | mmlj4 | fair enough |
| 00:38.40 | mmlj4 | if I have to reinstall, it's your fault ;-) |
| 00:38.49 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:39.40 | fsmithred | it's linux, isn't that what you're supposed to do? |
| 00:40.31 | mmlj4 | I'm getting 404s |
| 00:40.47 | mmlj4 | lemme get to jessie, then I'll migrate from there |
| 00:41.07 | fsmithred | then you have to extricate systemd |
| 00:42.10 | fsmithred | you could try us.mirror instead of auto.mirror. |
| 00:42.19 | fsmithred | I don't know what other country codes work. |
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| 01:00.58 | mmlj4 | done |
| 01:01.00 | mmlj4 | but... |
| 01:01.03 | mmlj4 | root@debian:~# ps auxw | grep system |
| 01:01.03 | mmlj4 | message+ 3114 0.0 0.1 28436 2212 ? Ss 00:58 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system |
| 01:01.03 | mmlj4 | root 3487 0.0 0.1 28272 2924 ? S 00:59 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind |
| 01:01.54 | mmlj4 | what's that horrid thing? and I've still got system* stuff in /bin |
| 01:02.21 | MinceR | it's logind, it should be removable painlessly |
| 01:02.35 | MinceR | though it's strange, last time i installed the beta from scratch, i don't think it had that |
| 01:08.27 | fsmithred | this was upgrade from wheezy? If so, you already had systemd-logind |
| 01:08.45 | fsmithred | it was one of the three pieces that got merged into libsystemd0 |
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| 01:11.46 | mmlj4 | this? root@devuan:~/bin# dpkg -l | grep login |
| 01:11.46 | mmlj4 | ii login 1:4.2-3+deb8u1 amd64 system login tools |
| 01:13.05 | mmlj4 | libpam-systemd libsystemd0 systemd and systemd-shim too... nuke 'em all? |
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| 01:13.20 | fsmithred | wait on libsystemd0 |
| 01:13.50 | fsmithred | do the others, then check that one with the -s (simulate) option to see what will go. |
| 01:14.04 | mmlj4 | gotcha |
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| 01:36.59 | furrywolf | lol. one of the things on my website has a link back to itself with a random number passed to it, to make the browser reload it. some web bot is following it. and following it. and following it... |
| 01:37.21 | furrywolf | I have no idea what http://www.majestic12.co.uk/ is, but it's not very bright. |
| 01:38.19 | furrywolf | it's loaded it 4300 times so far. |
| 01:40.15 | rrq | "Majestic-12 is working towards creation of a World Wide Web search engine based on concepts of distributing workload" |
| 01:40.38 | furrywolf | distributing it onto my web server generating the same php page thousands of times... |
| 01:41.29 | furrywolf | should I firewall off their ip, or figure out how to make apache redirect all queries from them to goatse? :) |
| 01:41.50 | furrywolf | 4400 times... |
| 01:42.23 | furrywolf | it's not like it's part of the path or anything... it just adds ?foo=rand() to it. |
| 01:43.12 | rrq | their KPI is "URLs crawled per day" :-) |
| 01:43.21 | furrywolf | KPI? |
| 01:43.32 | rrq | key performance index |
| 01:43.43 | furrywolf | ah |
| 01:43.48 | MinceR | :) |
| 01:45.09 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/css/cssamaze/cssamaze.php it's a trivial example of css... the ending square has a link that says "click to play a new maze", which links back to itself with the ?foo=rand(). and they keep following it... |
| 01:45.57 | furrywolf | also, lol. apparantly five of you have scripts that immediately load and url pasted on irc. |
| 01:46.01 | furrywolf | s/and/any |
| 01:47.39 | MinceR | :) |
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| 02:22.35 | ksx4system | I'm trying to mount a cell phone as an external memory. As far as I see it's supported by Linux kernel (and even usb-modeswitch) but I had no luck in mounting it on Devuan. |
| 02:23.29 | ksx4system | The ID is 0e8d:0002 and it should result with two devices - 32KB one and 16GB one (because there's 16GB microSD inside) |
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| 02:49.20 | fsmithred | ksx4system, what does fdisk show? |
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| 02:50.43 | furrywolf | does it show in lsusb? any dmesg messages when you connect it? |
| 02:55.43 | ksx4system | furrywolf: dmesg https://paste.mgst.eu/?db83c5b78a10499f#OLMLQI06S03baBiVPHgX2/WMgYeqsRb4uwnS/fSsOoM= |
| 02:56.31 | ksx4system | shows in lsusb as MediaTek device (as expected) |
| 02:57.38 | ksx4system | fsmithred: it looks like it's invisible to fdisk |
| 02:59.37 | fsmithred | is there a switch somewhere in the phone to set it to mass storage device? |
| 03:01.01 | ksx4system | yes, a popup dialog which you can only react as "OK" (or actually ignore it) |
| 03:01.48 | ksx4system | leaving it in ignored state paralyzes phone while allowing it to charge, leaving it in OK state should allow to charge, exchange data and even make calls |
| 03:01.58 | fsmithred | they really don't want you to get at it? |
| 03:04.39 | fsmithred | I just put the vendor and product number in search box, and it looks like you're not alone. |
| 03:05.17 | ksx4system | a bunch of phones (from chinese shit to respected brand ones) share the same ID, maybe the ROMs aren't identical |
| 03:10.48 | rrq | try jmtpfs |
| 03:14.15 | fsmithred | how did you determine that it's supported by the kernel? |
| 03:14.33 | fsmithred | is there a module that needs to be loaded? |
| 03:15.21 | ksx4system | fsmithred: dmesg tells it's mass storage device |
| 03:15.46 | ksx4system | so kernel seems to know what's that |
| 03:15.48 | fsmithred | but it doesn't give you a device to use for mounting |
| 03:16.24 | ksx4system | maybe it's some anti-piracy MTP bullshit |
| 03:17.38 | fsmithred | maybe. does the sd card come out? |
| 03:18.10 | ksx4system | fsmithred: yes, I can fill it using ThinkPad's reader, install back and phone recognizes all files |
| 03:18.37 | ksx4system | only thing it wants is music being in "My Music" directory |
| 03:19.00 | fsmithred | that's all you have access to? |
| 03:19.18 | ksx4system | Phone sees all directories from SD card |
| 03:19.27 | ksx4system | just its mp3 player appliance ignores other dirs |
| 03:22.00 | fsmithred | this might be a dumb idea, but did you try mounting it with the device name that shows up in the laptop? |
| 03:22.12 | fsmithred | maybe /dev/mmx or whatever |
| 03:22.34 | fsmithred | mmc not mmx |
| 03:23.45 | ksx4system | fsmithred: no such device too :( |
| 03:24.06 | ksx4system | whatever... I'll continue fight later, now it's bedtime |
| 03:24.09 | rrq | ksx4system: you might want to look at jmptfs for mounting |
| 03:24.32 | ksx4system | rrq: thanks! I'll do so |
| 03:26.47 | furrywolf | hrmm... the kernel is saying it's usb-storage, but not assigning it a /dev/sdwhatever. I've never seen it do that. |
| 03:26.47 | fsmithred | good luck, and good night |
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| 05:16.09 | furrywolf | yay, the local news site is posting updates at nan:an p.m. again. |
| 05:38.27 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
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| 09:42.28 | aitor | Ok, lkcl... Luke :) |
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| 12:03.37 | figlfdev | i couldnt take any more of that f***ing google skynet training tool, so im in hexchat |
| 12:04.00 | figlfdev | select a house! another house! another house! we need smarter drones |
| 12:04.13 | figlfdev | we need to KNOW this is a storefront |
| 12:04.21 | figlfdev | a**holes |
| 12:04.29 | buZz | figlfdev: hexchat? vs what |
| 12:04.47 | figlfdev | i dunno, its whats in my own distro (which is based on refracta) |
| 12:04.52 | figlfdev | oh, webchat. |
| 12:05.01 | buZz | ah |
| 12:05.07 | figlfdev | "free"node :P |
| 12:05.13 | fsmithred | skynet? |
| 12:05.20 | buZz | fsmithred: he means a webbrowser |
| 12:05.47 | figlfdev | fsmithred, how does ocr get better at recognizing letters? |
| 12:05.51 | fsmithred | figlfdev, you using firejail? |
| 12:06.02 | figlfdev | or voice software get better at understanding speech? |
| 12:06.04 | buZz | most OCR actually isnt AI |
| 12:06.07 | figlfdev | you train it |
| 12:06.24 | figlfdev | buZz, no, but ocr that can do sort-of ai training has existed on consumer level since the 80s |
| 12:06.32 | buZz | 70s , yeh |
| 12:06.35 | figlfdev | right |
| 12:06.48 | buZz | its just not whats most common |
| 12:07.22 | figlfdev | but when youre doing recaptcha, youre certainly training google for image recognition. that doesnt give me a warm and fuzzy even if it is inevitable |
| 12:07.35 | figlfdev | i dont want to "help" that along. |
| 12:07.43 | fsmithred | I hear you. |
| 12:07.56 | figlfdev | also it got REALLY tedious today. i missed a house somewhere, and it kept showing like 10 of them-- piss off! |
| 12:08.01 | fsmithred | should I package firemenu? |
| 12:08.04 | muep | I am quite sure that solving captchas does not help with making OCR better |
| 12:08.18 | figlfdev | fsmithred, you should package anything that is small enough and helps people isolate processes optionally |
| 12:08.34 | figlfdev | muep, you have not used the recent captchas |
| 12:08.48 | figlfdev | and im not talking about ocr any more than im talking about voice recognition. its image processing. |
| 12:08.54 | muep | the thing that generates the captcha is also able to provide the correct answer, so the captchas could be used for training regardless of if a human solved it |
| 12:09.11 | fsmithred | have they gotten to presenting faces and asking you to identify them? |
| 12:09.23 | figlfdev | ocr and voice recognition were older examples of the same thing |
| 12:09.49 | figlfdev | fsmithred, thats facebook. and they can tell you from the BACK of your head. |
| 12:10.07 | figlfdev | i dont tag people images either. thats basically selling people out |
| 12:10.29 | muep | they could basically just generate a bunch of captcha+answer pairs and use that for training without having to bother humans |
| 12:10.33 | fsmithred | I wish everyone I knew was aware of that. |
| 12:10.40 | buZz | figlfdev: i misstrained recaptcha so much :P |
| 12:10.49 | figlfdev | muep, i want to tell you youre missing the point without picking a fight (which isnt what i came here for) |
| 12:10.50 | buZz | for some time they gave you two words, and you had to type both |
| 12:11.02 | buZz | first word, it already knew what it said, second one, it didnt |
| 12:11.05 | figlfdev | heh |
| 12:11.10 | buZz | all second words i typed were 'penis' |
| 12:11.10 | figlfdev | theyre probably onto you ;) |
| 12:11.12 | figlfdev | ROFL |
| 12:11.19 | figlfdev | well youve got your own login then |
| 12:11.33 | buZz | i have a nice pile of google cookies :) |
| 12:11.47 | figlfdev | dont we all |
| 12:11.57 | figlfdev | it used to be samples of tide in the mail |
| 12:12.02 | fsmithred | I have a broom. |
| 12:13.11 | figlfdev | anyway, it was meant as an aside, i never intend to you know, start a conversation here :) |
| 12:14.00 | figlfdev | hexchat looks... decent. kind of old fashioned (but this is irc.) |
| 12:14.32 | fsmithred | it's a fork of xchat, and it's allegedly better-maintained |
| 12:14.56 | figlfdev | im not sure what would make it look newer-- window compositing, html5? what does microsoft do for activex now? (.net?) |
| 12:15.16 | figlfdev | you know me, everythings gotta be gui and shiny ;) |
| 12:16.25 | figlfdev | thats why i use icewm-- the best new window manager in 20 years |
| 12:16.43 | figlfdev | (im going to make a desktop around it called ice de) |
| 12:16.44 | buZz | figlfdev: i've been hooked to irssi for ages :P |
| 12:17.30 | figlfdev | dont use the term buZz, thats how they "get" you ;) |
| 12:17.49 | buZz | lol |
| 12:18.07 | figlfdev | when i was a dumb kid i used to hack this one poor guy all day-- his ip was 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:18.11 | buZz | if so, i've been had for last 20 years ;) |
| 12:18.14 | figlfdev | he was good-- got me back every time |
| 12:18.32 | buZz | figlfdev: he moved to [::1] now |
| 12:18.40 | figlfdev | writes it down |
| 12:18.45 | figlfdev | hes toast! |
| 12:18.53 | fsmithred | lol, guys, we should be in the OT room. |
| 12:19.03 | buZz | pff humbug |
| 12:19.08 | buZz | fsmithred: dont make me go get an op |
| 12:19.14 | figlfdev | technically everything we are talking about happens in devuan. |
| 12:19.17 | *** mode/#devuan [+o buZz] by ChanServ |
| 12:19.20 | fsmithred | sorry |
| 12:19.20 | *** mode/#devuan [-o buZz] by ChanServ |
| 12:19.22 | buZz | ;) |
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| 12:19.40 | figlfdev | pretty soon every topic will peripheral to devuan |
| 12:19.40 | fsmithred | I forgot that you're the police |
| 12:19.51 | buZz | /nick buZz|popo |
| 12:19.51 | figlfdev | be |
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| 12:20.15 | fsmithred | hey, I answered a couple of devuan questions last night. |
| 12:20.50 | figlfdev | it should work like ham radio-- as long as you give a shoutout with your call letters (WDVN) every hour, youre good |
| 12:20.53 | fsmithred | refugees are trickling in pretty regularly |
| 12:20.56 | buZz | i helped a couple ppl realize that instead of trying to disable systemd on debian, they could just install devuan |
| 12:20.57 | figlfdev | something like that-- i got suspended. |
| 12:21.26 | figlfdev | talking about disabling systemd is offtopic too :) |
| 12:21.31 | buZz | ;) |
| 12:21.36 | buZz | it was in #dogecoin |
| 12:21.37 | buZz | so np |
| 12:21.40 | figlfdev | only installs devuan "for the articles" |
| 12:21.45 | buZz | lol |
| 12:22.19 | fsmithred | figlfdev, are you in that place with all the women? |
| 12:22.26 | figlfdev | and the wonderful telephone system, and the majestik moose |
| 12:22.38 | figlfdev | fsmithred, you were there too-- just not that day |
| 12:22.51 | fsmithred | yeah, I figured. |
| 12:23.01 | phazz | hello, nice to meet you, new devuan user here |
| 12:23.16 | fsmithred | welcome |
| 12:23.17 | figlfdev | hey a user! |
| 12:23.22 | figlfdev | cool |
| 12:23.24 | fsmithred | or, I should say... |
| 12:23.28 | fsmithred | welcome home |
| 12:23.34 | phazz | yep :-) |
| 12:24.13 | figlfdev | "devuan: taste it again, for the first time" |
| 12:24.21 | figlfdev | "lawsuit from kellogs pending" |
| 12:24.57 | figlfdev | dont mind us, phazz-- let us know if theres anything we can do for you |
| 12:25.24 | phazz | oh, i m new on irc too, so i m a little slow |
| 12:25.36 | fsmithred | use more fingers |
| 12:25.39 | figlfdev | thats ok, irc is rarely this fast-paced. usually it just sits there |
| 12:25.53 | figlfdev | this is rush hour on the autobahn |
| 12:26.31 | fsmithred | brb |
| 12:26.35 | phazz | oh that's good! :-) |
| 12:27.34 | fsmithred | yeah, some of the conversations move like playing chess by mail. |
| 12:27.47 | figlfdev | ...in the soviet republic |
| 12:28.29 | figlfdev | where your mail gets lost several times, and then burned, and the ashes reassembled and run through google recaptcha |
| 12:29.16 | figlfdev | but your family still speaks about you in a whisper when everyone else has forgotten-- but only in #debianfork |
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| 12:32.33 | figlfdev | often joins #debian just to be sure the server connection is intact |
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| 12:37.49 | figlfdev | aitor! |
| 12:38.06 | aitor | figldev: you said your own distro... |
| 12:38.08 | figlfdev | ive always hoped youd join when i was here. just wanted to say youre totally awesome |
| 12:38.16 | figlfdev | well not "my own" |
| 12:38.34 | figlfdev | fsmithred did most of the work, and the rest is a complete ripoff of devuan |
| 12:38.34 | aitor | Which distro? Where can i download it? |
| 12:38.43 | figlfdev | its just a remaster of refracta |
| 12:39.04 | figlfdev | its on archive.org, will link you |
| 12:39.22 | aitor | Ok. Is the refracta installer based on the missing remastersys of the canadian Tony Brijensky |
| 12:40.04 | aitor | Ok , send me a link and will give a try |
| 12:40.44 | aitor | Send it to my email aitor_czr@gnuinos.org |
| 12:40.45 | figlfdev | https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Refractapup (look for figos1.2.iso) |
| 12:40.51 | figlfdev | sorry, i dont email |
| 12:41.07 | aitor | Ok, it's enough |
| 12:41.30 | figlfdev | thanks for working on linux-libre, im a fan |
| 12:41.47 | aitor | this afternoon i'll work in the packages of vdev |
| 12:42.12 | aitor | not at all, thanks to the fsfla, too :) |
| 12:42.13 | figlfdev | cool, im looking forward to trying vdev-- hey i have a q about gnuinos |
| 12:42.28 | aitor | tell me |
| 12:42.36 | figlfdev | and alex oliva -- i still have gnuinos installed on at least one machine btw-- |
| 12:42.52 | figlfdev | are they ALL called "gnuinos server?" because thanks to ubuntu that sounds like its cli-only |
| 12:43.03 | figlfdev | but gnuinos server still includes x, right? on the live iso. |
| 12:43.24 | figlfdev | like the latest one has x right? |
| 12:43.48 | aitor | gnuinos server doesn't include any X |
| 12:44.01 | figlfdev | but youre going to release another gnuinos with x in the future? |
| 12:44.21 | aitor | I'll build versions of gnuinos with openbox and lxde, etc... |
| 12:44.22 | figlfdev | i can actually remaster it with x if not... but its good to know |
| 12:44.26 | figlfdev | ok, cool |
| 12:44.35 | figlfdev | thanks :) |
| 12:44.45 | figlfdev | oh, and i never used tint2. its quite good |
| 12:44.47 | aitor | But first i want to finish simple-netaid-gtk and some more gtk applications |
| 12:45.14 | figlfdev | awesome |
| 12:45.31 | aitor | Yes, tint2 is my favourite panel |
| 12:45.39 | aitor | time to eat |
| 12:45.43 | figlfdev | take care |
| 12:45.49 | aitor | see you, and have a nice day |
| 12:45.55 | figlfdev | you too |
| 12:46.03 | aitor | :) |
| 12:47.27 | figlfdev | we need more distros with libre as a feature |
| 12:48.23 | figlfdev | luckily devuan has gnuinos. refracta is actually free enough for me, because i can rip the wifi drivers out when im ready (one is actually labeled non-free but they could all be non-free for all i know) |
| 12:48.47 | fsmithred | they aren't installed |
| 12:48.52 | figlfdev | theyre there though :) |
| 12:48.59 | figlfdev | its just a preference, no worries |
| 12:49.17 | fsmithred | if you aren't using them, it makes sense to get rid of them |
| 12:49.18 | figlfdev | i was only using linux-libre distros until debian stripped the blobs from the kernel |
| 12:49.35 | figlfdev | i promise im not giving you flak for including them |
| 12:49.52 | fsmithred | np, I didn't take it that way. |
| 12:49.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | blobs?? kernel??? |
| 12:50.03 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer51, it doesnt have any |
| 12:50.19 | figlfdev | but thats because sometimes debian does something right (like a clock that is right twice a day) |
| 12:51.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | never really heard of kernel blobs, well except gfx drivers maybe |
| 12:51.25 | figlfdev | i think theyve had remarkably few scandals for a 20+ year old distro. if not for s5d i think they couldve gone on being #1 for years more |
| 12:51.45 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer51, all versions before squeeze? the vanilla kernel from linus has them |
| 12:52.03 | figlfdev | its one of those fsf things. aitor stopped by, he puts linux-libre in devuan |
| 12:52.04 | figlfdev | hence the topic |
| 12:52.31 | figlfdev | imo the debian kernel is more or less linux-libre, the only difference is how they get to that point |
| 12:53.02 | figlfdev | linux-libre is made by using alex olivas scripts to strip binary blobs out of the kernel-- debian uses their own scripts to do it (but not before squeeze) |
| 12:53.31 | figlfdev | you can still use the same firmware by loading it from a non-free repo |
| 12:54.32 | figlfdev | but whats cool is if you want a 100% free software kernel all you have to do is nothing :) |
| 12:57.11 | figlfdev | fsmithred, you can actually help me by letting me know if ANY of those wifi drivers are libre. i presume the reason the folder is there is because those arent in the usual/general repo (in which case i thank you for keeping them in a separate folder) |
| 12:57.36 | fsmithred | I believe they're all from non-free |
| 12:57.40 | figlfdev | im happy to remove them from my version, since i eschew non-free drivers (and they take up space) |
| 12:57.48 | figlfdev | cool, everyones happy |
| 12:57.57 | fsmithred | and they are there for anyone who has only wireless connection |
| 12:58.12 | fsmithred | and needs one of them |
| 12:58.18 | figlfdev | oh i get the concept-- i have plenty of wifi stuff that wont operate without things like that |
| 12:58.35 | figlfdev | ive even (gasp) activated them now and again. im pretty good about avoiding that |
| 12:58.51 | figlfdev | and i do it for my own practical reasons-- its easy to mistake for an ideology |
| 12:58.56 | fsmithred | and you got rid of one of them. |
| 12:59.12 | figlfdev | if i got rid of one, i didnt intentionally :) how did i do that? |
| 12:59.22 | figlfdev | or easier to answer-- which one? |
| 12:59.24 | fsmithred | the toshiba |
| 12:59.30 | figlfdev | OH yeah |
| 12:59.44 | figlfdev | i have an old atheros dongle i plug into all kinds of stuff |
| 13:00.14 | figlfdev | that netbook needs non-free something or other, i normally just plug a usb dongle in |
| 13:00.40 | figlfdev | and i have a newer smaller usb but it needs the ascii kernel/fw :) |
| 13:00.50 | figlfdev | even tho it does work with free stuff, its not supported in jessie |
| 13:00.50 | fsmithred | yeah, that's nice. I have one that works with linux. |
| 13:01.29 | figlfdev | in a pinch, i would install the non-free drivers for my netbook wifi |
| 13:01.41 | figlfdev | even stallman uses windows to do a google search if its the only thing around. |
| 13:01.59 | figlfdev | its a terrible habit to get into, i cant recommend it :) |
| 13:02.23 | fsmithred | which? using windows or using google? |
| 13:02.27 | figlfdev | either one! |
| 13:02.31 | figlfdev | but especially windows |
| 13:02.49 | fsmithred | I always want to wash my hands after using it. |
| 13:02.55 | figlfdev | the best thing about google is they give microsoft a run for their money. the worst thing about google is theyre even better at being microsoft :( |
| 13:03.03 | figlfdev | and you should! scrub hard. |
| 13:03.36 | figlfdev | use ajax (just dont build a forum around it) |
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| 20:38.04 | nextime | o/ |
| 20:39.59 | MinceR | \o |
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| 20:56.57 | minnesotags | Hola |
| 20:57.16 | e | hi |
| 20:57.17 | minnesotags | Had a question about the beaglebone black image. |
| 20:57.24 | minnesotags | I asked above. |
| 20:57.32 | minnesotags | Anyone gotten it working? |
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| 21:05.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | any allah does spam lately? |
| 21:19.33 | MinceR | nope |
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| 21:26.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | MinceR: ta, and a little headsup from our great freenode staff: they are aware of that issue and very alert, ad I used a few keywords in my last post I rather shouldn't, and neither should anybody else who want to stay :) |
| 21:27.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't quote that spammer |
| 21:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | greets Sigyn |
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| 21:38.53 | MinceR | :) |
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| 22:16.09 | furrywolf | what, they ban people based on keywords now? |
| 22:20.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't all chanops do the same? |
| 22:21.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I guess it needs more matches in behavioral analysis than just a mere keyword match |
| 22:27.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | furrywolf: that spammer uses a set of a few dozen strings that all match the same regex |
| 22:28.30 | furrywolf | yeah, banning people who paste spam to complain about it is rather silly. |
| 22:29.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | and given what I seen in devuan a few weeks ago iirc, his today's attack in maemo got defeated pretty swiftly after only a maybe one dozen posts |
| 22:30.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I fail to understand what you said |
| 22:31.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | banning people who paste spam is never silly |
| 22:31.24 | furrywolf | pasting a spam you received to complain about the spam is fairly normal. banning people for doing it is silly. |
| 22:31.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | rather it's stupid to paste spam |
| 22:33.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | no matter to which purpose |
| 22:36.06 | furrywolf | I've had plenty of people paste spam to me when asking me to ban the spammer. |
| 22:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway no matter if silly or standard procedure, there are means in this network to stop anybody sounding similar like our lovely troll |
| 22:37.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | furrywolf: when they do in a query, then that's your personal problem |
| 22:39.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | pasting spam publicly is generally strongly deprecated |
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| 22:44.18 | MinceR | lol @ use of 'deprecated' |
| 22:47.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | MinceR: too weak? |
| 22:48.05 | MinceR | we were playing with the term recently on #debianfork |
| 22:48.09 | MinceR | and it called that to mind |
| 22:48.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not on debianfork, so I dont know |
| 22:51.40 | MinceR | :) |
| 22:53.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the banning on regex, I pondered to implement that with a autoresponder for channels I take care about, but learned that it's prolly not needed, at least for chan with Sigyn |
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| 23:11.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | furrywolf: if chan has a logbot, users should use http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog irclog urls to the spam rather than pasting it |
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