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| 00:40.32 | figlfdev | heads up, devuan is going to be on archive.org soon (maybe jaromil can ftp the pre-valentine alpha to the uploader, which isnt actually me) |
| 00:41.34 | figlfdev | it sucks when youre relying on an iso for daily use, and the devs have to delete it for space. fortunately the archive has about 40 tb (per rack, and somewhat regularly upgraded) |
| 00:42.03 | figlfdev | so that problems solved |
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| 00:42.23 | figlfdev | and no ones going to mistake it for the official devuan site, so thats cool (hi golinux. reading the logs?) |
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| 00:42.38 | golinux | I just dropped in |
| 00:43.15 | iio7 | What's up with the mirrors? Trying to install stuff getting stuck with a frozen console at httpredir.debian.org. |
| 00:43.42 | golinux | hi figlfdev |
| 00:44.20 | figlfdev | itll be nice when devuan doesnt have to piggyback on debian servers (i give that 2-4 years, but hopefully sooner) |
| 00:44.31 | figlfdev | is only guessing |
| 00:47.45 | golinux | figlfdev: It's been in the wayback machine since January |
| 00:48.21 | golinux | Last snap was August 3, 2016 |
| 00:48.27 | figlfdev | golinux: not that youre going to try my refracta derivative but the iso is at https://archive.org/download/Puppy_Linux_Refractapup/figos1.0.iso <- (it only goes to refracta mode if you type in "live" at boot) |
| 00:48.41 | figlfdev | do you have a link? im looking for it now. |
| 00:48.56 | golinux | http://web.archive.org/web/20160803020814/https://www.devuan.org |
| 00:50.17 | figlfdev | ffs. robots.txt is blocking the archive of downloads. |
| 00:50.47 | golinux | I got a download window |
| 00:50.53 | figlfdev | seriously, jaromil? (this is probably hellekin actually) |
| 00:51.09 | figlfdev | the isos arent being archived. |
| 00:51.16 | golinux | Oh on the devuan site. |
| 00:51.18 | figlfdev | well someone put them here: https://archive.org/download/Devuan_Linux |
| 00:52.58 | figlfdev | my own version is based on downloading existing isos, so when you delete your iso you break my script. that means that the scripts work a lot better with archive links, which are less likely to break (since old isos get deleted from the site) |
| 00:53.24 | golinux | I just downloaded devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso via the wayback machine site |
| 00:53.34 | figlfdev | link? |
| 00:53.47 | golinux | http://web.archive.org/web/20160315074819/http://files.devuan.org/ |
| 00:55.14 | golinux | Maybe I missed what you were trying to say. I've had a long, hard day |
| 00:55.23 | figlfdev | well thats something. however it looks like any new isos will have to be archived manually |
| 00:55.51 | figlfdev | i dont think you will find the latest devuan on the wayback, as robots.txt is blocking that now |
| 00:55.58 | golinux | They will be archived when the next snap happens, won't they? |
| 00:56.04 | figlfdev | im not sure, but i dont think so. |
| 00:56.32 | golinux | I've gotta go. I'm spent. Bye |
| 00:56.37 | figlfdev | they were archived by hand, and i dont think its possible to get the pre-valentine one either, but at least alpha2 and beta 1 are up. |
| 00:56.42 | figlfdev | night |
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| 00:57.58 | fsmithred | bye golinux, hi figlfdev |
| 00:58.06 | figlfdev | hey there |
| 00:58.53 | golinux | http://web.archive.org/web/20150614030550/http://files.devuan.org/ |
| 00:59.18 | figlfdev | i love you, golinux |
| 00:59.29 | figlfdev | so it looks like the alpha2 of devuan is already up, and ally put the beta version (of devuan) on the archive-- but it looks like robots.txt is blocking future crawls? (or not i dunno) |
| 01:00.07 | figlfdev | cant believe golinux found the pre-valentine iso |
| 01:00.10 | ksx4system | figlfdev: maybe archive.org picked up mirrors too (like my devuan.ksx4system.net) |
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| 01:00.41 | golinux | http://web.archive.org/web/20141127220436/https://devuan.org/ |
| 01:01.07 | figlfdev | hooray, devuans history. |
| 01:01.27 | golinux | Do you know how to use the wayback machine? |
| 01:01.27 | fsmithred | that's one I've never seen before - a pre-alpha xfce |
| 01:01.33 | somerandomnick | I'm wondering if we'll see kFreeBSD in Devuan in the near future, also wondering about MIPSel. |
| 01:01.38 | figlfdev | golinux: sometimes. ive got stuff on there from 2009. |
| 01:02.00 | figlfdev | ive used it to pinpoint the week debian went from "debian gnu/linux" to "debian" |
| 01:02.20 | figlfdev | which i think was in 2012. |
| 01:02.22 | golinux | figlfdev: Here's a perting gift: |
| 01:02.30 | golinux | parting |
| 01:02.34 | ksx4system | thinks that Wayback Machine is one of the greatest inventions of the Internet era <3 |
| 01:02.35 | golinux | http://web.archive.org/web/20160803020814*/https://www.devuan.org |
| 01:03.02 | figlfdev | ksx4system: same guy that invented alexa, and WAIS one of the precursors to the web |
| 01:03.14 | figlfdev | lol, thanks golinux |
| 01:04.17 | figlfdev | somerandomnick: theyre going ubuntu perhaps? (i dont mean officially. i mean ubuntu is doing more with bsd than debian or we are doing) |
| 01:04.27 | golinux | Really now I've gotta get off this chair |
| 01:04.39 | figlfdev | o/ |
| 01:06.27 | figlfdev | the reason golinux thinks i dont know how archive.org works is this link: http://web.archive.org/web/20160506045805/http://devuan.org/os/download "Page cannot be displayed due to robots.txt." |
| 01:06.55 | figlfdev | but at least all the stuff before beta is up. and my friend put the beta up, so thats on there too. |
| 01:08.04 | fsmithred | there was a no-x vagrant image first |
| 01:12.44 | figlfdev | yeah, but i considered that a dev tool-- a vagrant image isnt an iso, even if you can convert it to one. |
| 01:13.09 | figlfdev | when i started using the iso, it took me-- im still not 100% certain what a vagrant image is, and ive been using devuan for over a year |
| 01:13.21 | figlfdev | but i have some idea, i think. |
| 01:13.42 | fsmithred | I don't know either, but I had one here on my hard drive for a while. |
| 01:13.46 | figlfdev | i know what a qcow is. i try isos in qemu all the time. |
| 01:14.01 | figlfdev | so perhaps a vagrant image is similar to a qcow one. |
| 01:14.07 | fsmithred | I used it in vbox, but I don't recall if I had to convert it first |
| 01:14.26 | figlfdev | im sure the devuan site would tell me exactly what a vagrant image is. |
| 01:15.20 | fsmithred | bb in a couple minutes |
| 01:15.25 | figlfdev | k |
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| 01:21.15 | fsmithred | figlfdev, do you intend for your script to be used by others, or just you? |
| 01:21.51 | figlfdev | depends. it is being used by others. but its not just a matter of making it automated-- its a matter of being editable, configurable |
| 01:22.07 | fsmithred | yeah, that's where I was going |
| 01:22.10 | figlfdev | if all i wanted was a robot people could activate, id compile it. |
| 01:22.36 | figlfdev | as for "editable" it is-- but im adding features and moving code around as it-- its too early to perfect, its "pre-alpha" |
| 01:23.13 | figlfdev | first you make it work, then you make it good-- then you add features and fix bugs (you can try doing all at once... its not common) |
| 01:23.19 | fsmithred | yup |
| 01:24.08 | figlfdev | but i didnt know youd deleted 052x (not the numbering scheme but you know which i mean) until ally told me the script didnt work for those versions :) |
| 01:24.39 | figlfdev | in the future im more likely to point directly to the archive, which is fine of course. quotas are quotas, and i dont like sourceforge anyway |
| 01:24.51 | figlfdev | i do love ibiblio |
| 01:25.05 | fsmithred | they're easy to work with over ssh |
| 01:25.17 | fsmithred | sf is kind of a pain |
| 01:25.29 | figlfdev | formerly evil, formerly good, now who knows? |
| 01:25.36 | fsmithred | but sf has a bigger pipe |
| 01:25.41 | figlfdev | i dont doubt it |
| 01:25.56 | figlfdev | not questioning your choice of sites |
| 01:26.06 | somerandomnick | Everything I've read is SourceForge is circling the drain, no predictions of them going under (yet), but quite a lot of dislike at this point. |
| 01:26.28 | figlfdev | old owners or new ones though? the really bad ones are gone, and the new ones are unknown |
| 01:27.39 | figlfdev | shitdevuansays updated recently using a gmane link, and now gmane is down (for good, at least the web side) |
| 01:27.58 | figlfdev | they (sds) were silent for a month, i thought theyd given up |
| 01:28.14 | figlfdev | but gmane going down is big news |
| 01:28.52 | figlfdev | i downloaded all the gopher ml stuff from gmane once |
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| 01:32.01 | figlfdev | incidentally, the prealpha link on the archive is a dead link: http://web.archive.org/web/20150626005757/http://files.devuan.org/old_prealpha_valentine/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso |
| 01:32.27 | figlfdev | i suspect the alpha ones golinux linked to are also dead-- this is devuans robots.txt fault. |
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| 01:35.55 | figlfdev | ok, i found alpha2. |
| 01:36.07 | figlfdev | it actually downloads. |
| 01:36.39 | figlfdev | i will try all the dates to see if the preval iso is there |
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| 01:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry OT: anybody around who could help with Firefox >>Fehlercode: NS_ERROR_NET_INADEQUATE_SECURITY<< and how to configure nginx correctly to avoid this? |
| 01:58.12 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: b0rked SSL? |
| 01:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 01:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm clueless |
| 01:59.13 | ksx4system | stays away from nginx as much as he can, lighttpd ftw |
| 01:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://neo900.org |
| 01:59.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | we migrated to new iron last night |
| 01:59.50 | ksx4system | works like a charm |
| 02:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | not in FF48 |
| 02:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | tested yesterday in 47, worked |
| 02:00.33 | ksx4system | https://cipherli.st/ use this |
| 02:00.56 | ksx4system | maybe it's not your server's config, maybe slowerfox is just broken :P |
| 02:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | great! thanks |
| 02:02.07 | ksx4system | :) |
| 02:02.11 | ksx4system | does it work now? |
| 02:02.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading https://cipherli.st/ analysis |
| 02:04.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://ssldecoder.org/?host=neo900.org:85.10.210.203&port=443&fastcheck=0 looks absolutely fine |
| 02:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | except >>HTTP Strict Transport Security not set.<< |
| 02:06.37 | ksx4system | oh fuck HSTS |
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| 02:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | is FF48 gone mad? |
| 02:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/05/plasma-desktopPq2277.png |
| 02:08.53 | ksx4system | yes! |
| 02:09.13 | ksx4system | Chromium 52 reports perfectly secure connection |
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| 02:12.09 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: http://img.ctrlv.in/img/16/08/05/57a3f5e67f62f.png |
| 02:12.52 | sdaugherty | DocScrutinizer05, neo900 is fine for me in Firefox 49 |
| 02:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | https? |
| 02:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http works in 48 too |
| 02:14.29 | sdaugherty | https |
| 02:14.40 | ksx4system | so it's just 48 being b0rked |
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| 02:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-05 Fri 04:14:17] <pigeons> Server negotiated HTTP/2 with blacklisted suite: RSA 2048 (SHA256) | TLS 1.2 | TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA | ECDH secp256r1 |
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| 02:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | fixed it. ticket closed - many thanks |
| 02:36.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssl_ciphers "EECDH+AESGCM:EDH+AESGCM:AES256+EECDH:AES256+EDH"; https://cipherli.st/ |
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| 03:12.24 | somerandomnick | Evening. |
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| 03:23.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=my.neo900.org&s=85.10.210.203 |
| 03:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/05/plasma-desktopwd2277.png |
| 03:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/05/plasma-desktopdH2277.png |
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| 07:05.41 | enyc | Hrrm, is there some fun with jessie-backports an pinning in devuan ? e.g. even without jessie-backports deb/deb-src installed, "apt-get source pulseaudio" gives the source of the backports version anyway.... |
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| 07:45.27 | Centurion_Dan | enyc: did you do an apt-get update after disabling jessie-backports? |
| 07:50.07 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: i should have done since... in any case that shouldn't be necessary per myexpreinece-- unreferenced lists downloaded have no effecit i thought |
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| 10:22.04 | susi_ | Hi, after 6 month absence I upgraded my Debian jessie without systemd to Devuan. Good work! Will try it now a second time |
| 10:22.42 | susi_ | But, as I recently upgraded with the new repositoreis I'm getting into troube with a devuan package... |
| 10:23.05 | susi_ | apt install gnome-bluetooth (which seems the only one in the repo) does not like to install |
| 10:23.21 | susi_ | Maybe yu could help out and I can send you the error message? |
| 10:23.40 | susi_ | I have a BT dongle for my mouse |
| 10:23.53 | susi_ | Thank you!!! :9 |
| 10:25.50 | susi_ | #Devuan-fork is empty |
| 10:25.56 | susi_ | ...why I'm here |
| 10:27.35 | susi_ | Is someone here now and can help me shortly? |
| 10:27.36 | susi_ | ... |
| 10:27.37 | Nick-nosystemd | showing the error message is a start |
| 10:28.19 | susi_ | As I'm in the root terminal I don't know how to cat the text from the directory into irssi chat |
| 10:28.32 | susi_ | not rt terminal, ups |
| 10:29.17 | Nick-nosystemd | maybe you can redirect the errormessage in a text file |
| 10:29.33 | susi_ | it is in a text file. |
| 10:29.51 | fbt | susi_, http://ix.io/ |
| 10:29.58 | susi_ | But I don't know how to redirect into background to paste it here |
| 10:30.07 | fbt | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io < file |
| 10:30.11 | fbt | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io < <(command) |
| 10:30.24 | susi_ | okay, wait, need t switch tty shortly |
| 10:30.24 | fbt | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io <<< 'text' |
| 10:30.33 | KatolaZ | susi_: if it is just a few lines, you can past it in the channel |
| 10:30.44 | KatolaZ | with "/exec -out cat filename.txt" |
| 10:30.55 | fbt | It's atp |
| 10:30.57 | fbt | apt* |
| 10:31.02 | fbt | It's not âjust a few linesâ |
| 10:31.08 | KatolaZ | oh sorry |
| 10:31.18 | susi_ | only 5 lines |
| 10:31.23 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 10:31.26 | KatolaZ | susi_: go then |
| 10:35.57 | susi_ | shall I use curl ... here in the irssi terminal or in the xterm? |
| 10:36.20 | susi_ | ... |
| 10:36.21 | susi_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:36.21 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.33 | susi_ | apt install bluez was it |
| 10:36.40 | susi_ | Now apt install gnome-bluetooth: |
| 10:36.49 | susi_ | ...The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:36.49 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.49 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.49 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.52 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:38.30 | KatolaZ | ok susi_ |
| 10:38.33 | susi_ | I installed 6 mnth ago Debian Wheezy -> Jessie without systemd -> Devuan repository |
| 10:38.39 | KatolaZ | it depends on libpam-systemd |
| 10:38.55 | susi_ | yes, but in Devuans repo libpamd is REMOVED |
| 10:39.00 | KatolaZ | which in turn depends on systemd |
| 10:39.08 | susi_ | as it is written in the git |
| 10:39.18 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 10:39.22 | susi_ | that's why I tried to install it. |
| 10:39.28 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 10:39.37 | susi_ | I search in Devuans git online for bluetooth |
| 10:39.43 | susi_ | Found gnome-bluetooth |
| 10:39.50 | susi_ | Viewed the git |
| 10:39.52 | KatolaZ | but you said you knew that it is out of Devuan... |
| 10:39.58 | susi_ | libpamd was removed |
| 10:40.11 | KatolaZ | libpam-systemd |
| 10:40.27 | susi_ | devuan.org -> packages -> search bluetooth - gnome-bluetooth |
| 10:41.00 | susi_ | son't know the exact name, but it is written online. |
| 10:41.21 | susi_ | DoesnÃt matter. How I could get bluetooth up? ItÃ's not in the settings editor |
| 10:41.31 | KatolaZ | susi_: the fact that is in the repository doesn't mean it is installable |
| 10:41.39 | susi_ | mmh, okay |
| 10:41.52 | KatolaZ | it depends on systemd, which is pinned in Devuan |
| 10:42.06 | susi_ | any suggestion to get my bluetooth running without sd? |
| 10:42.18 | susi_ | Yes, I pinned systemd previously too |
| 10:42.37 | susi_ | I installed task-desktop |
| 10:42.38 | KatolaZ | I have used bluez |
| 10:42.47 | KatolaZ | from the command line |
| 10:43.11 | susi_ | ... |
| 10:43.12 | susi_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:43.12 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.19 | susi_ | ??? |
| 10:43.29 | susi_ | from the terminal too |
| 10:43.31 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 10:43.34 | KatolaZ | I have bluez |
| 10:43.38 | susi_ | uh? yes :)) |
| 10:44.00 | susi_ | It was a very clean Debian Wheezy -> Jessie with pinning |
| 10:44.18 | KatolaZ | but are you using Devuan's repos? |
| 10:44.22 | susi_ | removed bluez |
| 10:44.30 | susi_ | YES |
| 10:44.46 | susi_ | Just changed the repo today |
| 10:44.51 | KatolaZ | no need to shout :) |
| 10:45.03 | susi_ | maybe I have some old pinning done by myself? |
| 10:45.16 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 10:45.23 | susi_ | sorry! |
| 10:45.38 | KatolaZ | (I assume you have apt-get update'd, right?) |
| 10:45.40 | susi_ | I will look in my pinning flder what I have there |
| 10:45.51 | susi_ | It is some time ago I pinned some stuff there |
| 10:46.01 | susi_ | yes |
| 10:46.09 | susi_ | apt-get upgrade too |
| 10:46.15 | susi_ | apt-get dist-upgrade too |
| 10:47.25 | KatolaZ | then it's strange that you can;t install kmod... |
| 10:47.47 | KatolaZ | or better, it should already be installed... |
| 10:48.22 | susi_ | Here is the list of pins I had/have: |
| 10:48.31 | Nick-nosystemd | have you tried apt-get install kmod module-init-tools |
| 10:48.32 | susi_ | ardour |
| 10:48.32 | susi_ | avoid-systemd |
| 10:48.32 | susi_ | notupdate-xorg |
| 10:48.32 | susi_ | notuse-avahi |
| 10:48.35 | susi_ | notuse-linuximage-3-16-0-4 |
| 10:48.37 | susi_ | notuse_pythn-twisted |
| 10:48.40 | susi_ | notuse-tightvncserver |
| 10:48.42 | susi_ | use-sysvinit |
| 10:48.57 | susi_ | Nich: No, should I? |
| 10:49.12 | Nick-nosystemd | yeah i would not hurt anyway |
| 10:49.15 | KatolaZ | susi_: you should be able to install bluez with apt-get install bluez |
| 10:49.41 | susi_ | KatolaZ: /exec -out cat apt.install.bluez |
| 10:49.46 | susi_ | ... |
| 10:49.46 | susi_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:49.46 | susi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.58 | susi_ | will try Nick's suggestion |
| 10:50.04 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 10:51.11 | susi_ | Nick: kmod is not available... |
| 10:52.17 | KatolaZ | susi_: that's very strange (I should say impossible, though...) |
| 10:52.58 | susi_ | Reading package lists... |
| 10:52.59 | susi_ | Building dependency tree... |
| 10:52.59 | susi_ | Reading state information... |
| 10:52.59 | susi_ | Package kmod is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:52.59 | susi_ | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:53.01 | susi_ | is only available from another source |
| 10:53.17 | KatolaZ | ??? |
| 10:53.17 | susi_ | cat kmod.install |
| 10:53.23 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 10:53.29 | KatolaZ | what do you have in sources.list? |
| 10:53.57 | susi_ | There is also the message: |
| 10:54.04 | KatolaZ | it seems like you don;t have "main" |
| 10:54.25 | susi_ | W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin |
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| 10:55.42 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: looking further -- i don't think this particular devuan-jessie chroot has ever had -backports enabled anyway... -- I've DEFINITELY now 'apt-get update' anyway -- 'apt-get -yd install pulseaudio' definitely downloads 5.0-13+devuan2 version -- whereas 'apt-get source pulseaudio' definitely downloads 7.1-2+devuan1.0~1.gbp0a74b7 source version -- despite deb/deb-src sources.list lin |
| 10:55.46 | susi_ | deb http://46.105.191.77/merged jessie main |
| 10:55.47 | susi_ | deb http://46.105.191.77/merged jessie-updates main |
| 10:55.47 | susi_ | deb http://46.105.191.77/merged jessie-security main |
| 10:55.47 | susi_ | # Devuan repositories |
| 10:55.47 | susi_ | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 10:55.48 | enyc | es being consistent! |
| 10:55.49 | susi_ | deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 10:56.28 | enyc | theres defintiely some kind of consistency problem with the pinning of jessie-backports and provisioning of deb-src packages for devuan backports |
| 10:57.10 | susi_ | 6 month ago you suggested to start with Wheezy -> jessie without systemd. That worked wll. :) |
| 10:57.29 | KatolaZ | susi_: you should use auto.mirror/devuan.org/merged/ jessie main |
| 10:57.45 | susi_ | Maybe one pinning in my avid.systemd.pin? Shall I look? Does it be helpfull or not? |
| 10:57.53 | KatolaZ | susi_: ^^^^ |
| 10:58.01 | susi_ | I like to avoid DNS |
| 10:58.10 | KatolaZ | you need a / after merged anyway... |
| 10:58.40 | KatolaZ | IMHO |
| 10:58.48 | susi_ | the repos at the very bottom were introduced by devuan baseconf |
| 10:58.55 | susi_ | without a / |
| 11:00.07 | susi_ | will look, which pinning was introduced by Devuan and will deactivate the others. |
| 11:00.54 | susi_ | mmh, there is n Devuan püinning |
| 11:01.21 | jaromil | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.35 | jaromil | for systemd-sysv |
| 11:01.42 | jaromil | and is not even necessary |
| 11:01.49 | KatolaZ | the pin on systemd is not anymore needed, BTW |
| 11:02.08 | KatolaZ | since it i blacklisted in amprolla, AFAIK |
| 11:02.17 | jaromil | i had a weird experience y'day with a package not found, gcc-doc |
| 11:02.24 | jaromil | then realised i wasn't including contrib |
| 11:02.30 | KatolaZ | gcc-doc is in non-free... |
| 11:02.36 | jaromil | and non-free indeed |
| 11:02.37 | sdaugherty | susi_, repository IPs are not guaranteed to be stable. |
| 11:02.40 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 11:02.52 | jaromil | for some weird reason debian decided that the gnu gcc documentation is non-free /o\ |
| 11:03.04 | KatolaZ | jaromil: is due to the FDL |
| 11:03.17 | jaromil | oh sure now a FSF license is non-free |
| 11:03.35 | susi_ | ah, pinned kmod to avoid installation - 6 month ago. |
| 11:03.35 | KatolaZ | which prohibits changes to documents |
| 11:03.41 | KatolaZ | or at least, certain kinds of changes |
| 11:03.46 | jaromil | that's just some sort of weird retaliation IMHO |
| 11:03.53 | susi_ | was not easy to find as I do have some pinnings... |
| 11:03.54 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 11:03.57 | KatolaZ | I'm not sure |
| 11:04.00 | KatolaZ | the FDL is strange, indeed |
| 11:04.03 | jaromil | i have my opinions |
| 11:04.10 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 11:04.12 | jaromil | and prefer to pick better fights about freedom |
| 11:04.18 | jaromil | anyway |
| 11:04.24 | sdaugherty | GFDL with invariant sections is intentionally non-free, so that alterations changing the character of a document can be prohibited. |
| 11:04.30 | jaromil | susi_: glad you solved |
| 11:04.37 | KatolaZ | namely, sdaugherty |
| 11:05.26 | jaromil | yes, as upstream i used GFDL for more than one manual in the past and must say i like to have invariant sections, it makes sense in a manual page |
| 11:06.02 | KatolaZ | jaromil, I am sure you see that this is not exactly "freedom" :) |
| 11:06.08 | jaromil | provided that invariant != no derivatives under another name / notice |
| 11:06.24 | sdaugherty | The rationale of it is so that political and philosophical statements, or even attributions can be protected, while allowing reasonable changes elsewhere in the document. |
| 11:06.27 | KatolaZ | but I recognise that sometimes it is necessary to have invariant sections in documents |
| 11:06.35 | KatolaZ | like |
| 11:06.53 | KatolaZ | yes, sdaugherty was quicker than me :D |
| 11:06.54 | jaromil | so lets say I go open a website about systemd documentation |
| 11:07.00 | jaromil | make it high on SEO |
| 11:07.10 | jaromil | and modify the manual inserting little naughty differences |
| 11:08.01 | KatolaZ | jaromil: I don't know which is the license iused in systemd manuals |
| 11:08.04 | jaromil | now shift the case to a distribution, which certainly gets more visibility than upstream nowadays |
| 11:08.04 | sdaugherty | Or Devuan published a user manual, and wants to make a statement there about why we don't use systemd. |
| 11:08.13 | KatolaZ | (I don't even know if systemd manuals exist, to be honest...) |
| 11:08.22 | jaromil | probably not :) |
| 11:08.25 | jaromil | was just an example |
| 11:08.31 | susi_ | remove libkmod2 did the trick. |
| 11:08.50 | susi_ | But I need to reinstall the xserver stuff and alls the others. |
| 11:08.55 | jaromil | anyway i have an upstream POV on most of these things |
| 11:08.57 | susi_ | It also liked to remove the kernel. |
| 11:09.00 | susi_ | Ups. |
| 11:09.11 | susi_ | But I could install now kmod and module-init-tools |
| 11:09.17 | susi_ | after I removed libkmod2 |
| 11:09.36 | KatolaZ | jaromil: then you insert an invariant section, and put your manual under GFSL |
| 11:09.57 | KatolaZ | specifying that the statement about why we decided to not use sysemd is an invariante section |
| 11:10.05 | susi_ | Unpinning kmod does not helped |
| 11:10.08 | KatolaZ | you see that it makes sense |
| 11:10.32 | susi_ | sdaugherty: Okay |
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| 11:11.48 | sdaugherty | The needs of prose are much different from the needs of software. |
| 11:12.12 | jaromil | sdaugherty: totally agree |
| 11:12.54 | jaromil | i may be wrong on the choices, but believe your basic assumption here holds all weather |
| 11:13.29 | sdaugherty | GFDL invariant sections would keep someone from changing that anti-systemd statement to a pro-systemd one and then trying to misrepresent the guide as originating from Devuan. |
| 11:14.02 | sdaugherty | But it wouldn't stop someone from improving on the documentation. |
| 11:14.24 | susi_ | Does it help you that unistallation of libkmod2 fixed my problem now? |
| 11:14.54 | jaromil | susi_: i believe that is sort of a normal situation? i don't know well the details |
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| 11:15.31 | KatolaZ | susi_: there are normally no problkems with installing stuff that requires kmod |
| 11:15.46 | KatolaZ | maybe it was just a problem related with your pin configuration? |
| 11:16.11 | susi_ | no, I removed the pins and the problme still exist. |
| 11:16.24 | susi_ | Only the uninstall of libkmod2 was helpfull |
| 11:16.25 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 11:16.30 | KatolaZ | so you still can';t install kmod? |
| 11:16.39 | susi_ | I tested it after removing the pins |
| 11:16.58 | KatolaZ | susi_: I dont' get it |
| 11:17.05 | susi_ | And then I got an hint that libkmod2 Version x does nt... |
| 11:17.05 | KatolaZ | I have both kmod and libkmod2 installed |
| 11:17.11 | susi_ | Then I uninstalled t |
| 11:17.17 | susi_ | uninstalled it |
| 11:17.39 | susi_ | Maybe it was an old version (at least 6 mnth) of libkmod2 |
| 11:17.49 | KatolaZ | the current one is 18-3 |
| 11:18.06 | susi_ | This was another one |
| 11:18.54 | KatolaZ | but you said that you had run apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 11:19.04 | KatolaZ | so libkmod2 should have been upgraded |
| 11:19.23 | susi_ | Yes, it was reinstalled. Now I also can install bluez |
| 11:19.25 | KatolaZ | but it wasn't, since you had a pin on kmod |
| 11:19.30 | susi_ | This was nt possible before |
| 11:19.38 | KatolaZ | then you removed the pin |
| 11:19.41 | susi_ | KatolaZ: |
| 11:19.46 | KatolaZ | and had to give apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:19.46 | susi_ | yes, but I removed the pin |
| 11:20.02 | susi_ | And tried the installation f kmod again without any luck |
| 11:20.27 | susi_ | ah, I didn't made dist-upgrade after removing the pinning |
| 11:20.27 | KatolaZ | you had to apt-get update |
| 11:20.33 | KatolaZ | after you removed the pin. |
| 11:20.39 | KatolaZ | at least apt-get update |
| 11:20.41 | susi_ | I did |
| 11:20.46 | KatolaZ | then upgrade |
| 11:20.50 | susi_ | did not |
| 11:20.53 | KatolaZ | apt-get upgrade |
| 11:20.55 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 11:20.59 | KatolaZ | that might be the reason then |
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| 11:21.13 | KatolaZ | if something is pinned, new versions are ignored, AFAIU |
| 11:22.11 | KatolaZ | anyway, glad you solved it |
| 11:22.36 | susi_ | Okay, now I have a nicer desktop. |
| 11:23.07 | susi_ | But without Bluetoth config in the settings editor. What should I use? |
| 11:23.25 | susi_ | :) |
| 11:24.03 | KatolaZ | I am the wrong person to ask this question susi_ |
| 11:24.09 | KatolaZ | my desktop is not nice |
| 11:24.11 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 11:25.20 | susi_ | Previously I used a window manager. |
| 11:25.50 | susi_ | I like to go back to it. What you would suggest? |
| 11:26.13 | sdaugherty | I'd love to see a long term project to produce one or more high-quality Devuan desktop environment task packages and supporting packages, just to prove a "nice" desktop doesn't requires any poiteringware |
| 11:26.52 | KatolaZ | susi_: I have been using WindowMaker and xmonad |
| 11:27.14 | susi_ | KatolaZ: Didn't know that. |
| 11:27.38 | susi_ | I installed task-desktop. Is this poiteringware-free? |
| 11:27.59 | susi_ | :) |
| 11:28.24 | sdaugherty | mostly. There may be some pulseaudio taint left, not sure. |
| 11:28.50 | susi_ | Yes, pulse. I successfully removed it |
| 11:28.53 | sdaugherty | cd .. |
| 11:28.56 | susi_ | bevore upgrading to pulse |
| 11:29.20 | susi_ | I only need alsa and jack and or oss |
| 11:29.32 | KatolaZ | susi_: you might still find avahi around |
| 11:29.41 | susi_ | before upgrading to Devuan, sorry. |
| 11:29.48 | susi_ | I uninstalled avahi |
| 11:29.49 | susi_ | also |
| 11:29.52 | KatolaZ | it's the first piece of poettering-ware that I uninstall |
| 11:29.57 | KatolaZ | then you are done :) |
| 11:30.04 | susi_ | but it was coming back after I installed Devuan repository |
| 11:30.14 | susi_ | before... |
| 11:30.27 | susi_ | I saw it in the apt-install dialog |
| 11:30.40 | susi_ | I was thinking: Okay, they probably remved the p*ware |
| 11:31.05 | susi_ | As you can see in the pinnings I uploaded here (the names) |
| 11:31.15 | susi_ | I avoided avahi |
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| 11:32.47 | susi_ | Sorry, but I'm absolutely sure, that I reomoved avahi before successfully. |
| 11:33.23 | susi_ | Okay, will remove it again including pulseaudio. This is normal prcedure :) |
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| 11:44.36 | susi_ | Thank you. As i do nt have bluetooth now I need to work on another maschine. Will come back!! |
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| 12:34.11 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, I saw something in your todo list about finding a smaller installer (or something like that). I could send you the original refractainstaller. It's little more than the system commands to do the job. |
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| 18:31.29 | golinux | millpond: Welcome! Nice to see you here!! |
| 18:31.53 | golinux | Ask away . . . |
| 18:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | OT: can somebody please interpret those loglines (postfix et al)? looks weird to me http://paste.opensuse.org/68312344 |
| 18:46.25 | gwillen | DocScrutinizer05: my guess is that someone sent you an email with a return address of `cat /etc/passwd`, and these log lines represent your server's attempt to send a bounce message, which fails |
| 18:46.41 | gwillen | it's kind of a silly hacking attempt since /etc/passwd does not contain passwords on modern systems |
| 18:46.56 | gwillen | also I can't think of any plausible way it could work |
| 18:47.00 | gwillen | so uh, maybe someone messing around? |
| 18:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah ok, bounce. than makes sense |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | taht |
| 18:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever |
| 18:47.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | wwwrun? |
| 18:47.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | webgit? |
| 18:48.02 | gwillen | my best guess is that the first line is not related to the other lines? But it's hard to tell, I don't run postfix myself. |
| 18:48.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's always this sequence |
| 18:48.23 | gwillen | I guess another possibility is that it's not a bounce, but rather a relayed message, and your machine is functioning as an open relay or something? |
| 18:48.27 | gwillen | is neo900.org you? |
| 18:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I'm afraid of |
| 18:48.45 | gwillen | oh, it's possible that you have some kind of page on your website that sends mail |
| 18:48.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:48.54 | gwillen | and someone is typing "`cat /etc/passwd`" into a form |
| 18:49.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOH! |
| 18:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | THAT's it, i'm pretty sure |
| 18:49.16 | gwillen | 'wwwrun' is probably the user your web stuff runs as |
| 18:49.19 | gwillen | ok, that makes sense |
| 18:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | saome sucker registwered for newsletter or created a user account, with email addr "cat /etc/passwd" |
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| 18:50.19 | gwillen | ohhhhhh, hah |
| 18:50.27 | gwillen | and now it does this every time you mail your newsletter |
| 18:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | wild but plausible guess |
| 18:50.57 | gwillen | well, although the from of "wwwrun" suggests that the sending process is your webserver |
| 18:51.01 | gwillen | is that how your newsletter gets sent? |
| 18:51.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | it tries to send the welcome mail, but it interprets the % as @ and thus tries to send to server 7C |
| 18:52.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | the .org gets added since tTLD missing |
| 18:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | still guessing |
| 18:55.05 | gwillen | yeah interpreting "%" as "@" is not unusual, that's a hack that goes back to the early internet for source routing (foo%bar%baz@quux) |
| 18:55.36 | gwillen | adding .org is a little weird but I assume it's because you are neo9000.org and somewhere you have an implicit search domain set as .org or something |
| 18:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I suspect |
| 18:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | now apart from the equally annoying and futile "cat /etc/passwd" I wonder how long this shit will stay in the system |
| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | gwillen: here's another one, with an unrelated at bottom (5min later). line before start was 1:30 earlier http://paste.opensuse.org/3130923 |
| 19:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | this also is hte most recent one before the one I posted first |
| 19:15.33 | gwillen | DocScrutinizer05: oh, "status=deferred" suggests that your mailserver is trying repeatedly to send the same message because of the failure |
| 19:15.39 | gwillen | I don't know how many times it will try |
| 19:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | which was 20:18:44. |
| 19:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, delay=155653, delays=155653/0/0.17 /0 status=deferred |
| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever 155653 might mean |
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| 19:19.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | elay=151452 delay=147251 delay=143050 in sort sequence into the past |
| 19:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~155653/3600 |
| 19:19.51 | infobot | 43.236944444444 |
| 19:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | might fit |
| 19:20.20 | aitor | Hi :) I'm uploading the repository of gnuinos containig linux-libre-4.6.2, vdev and simple-netaid |
| 19:20.25 | aitor | packages.gnuinos.org |
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| 19:46.29 | millpond | golinux - i have replied, but somehow it created a chaanned in your name, perhaps due to the colon. VERY unfamiliar with IRC, its been 20 years since the last time I paid any attention to it. |
| 19:46.45 | millpond | channed=channel |
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| 20:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | millpond: are you sure this wasn't just a norml /query on its own tab? |
| 20:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the magic commands are: /join $#channel ; /query $usernick ; and /part |
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| 20:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | with /join #myfoobar7 you not only join that channel, you actually most likely create it since it didn't exist before |
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| 20:15.44 | millpond | Might have been, accidentally. IRC a choice of the mailing list debbil and the deep blue sea. Downloaded snorkel. |
| 20:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you open a /query nonexistUser, you will notice on sending first text, by response [Error] nonexistUser: No such nick/channel. |
| 20:17.50 | millpond | Does (username colon) open queries? Using Kvirc... |
| 20:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | no colon |
| 20:18.18 | millpond | OK - gotcha |
| 20:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | millpond: nope, this is simple highlighting |
| 20:18.37 | figlfdev | jaromil: is hellekin in charge of the servers relevant to files.devuan.org? |
| 20:18.48 | figlfdev | id like to suggest a robots.txt entry |
| 20:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | /query DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | will get you into a PM chat with me |
| 20:20.05 | figlfdev | as will /msg presumably |
| 20:20.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | /part witll leave the current channel, whether public or private |
| 20:20.38 | millpond | Oncw more ... I have an ancient boat anchor system, packed to the gills and updated to devuan from Jessie shimmed 8.1 all the way from Squeeze. I have /usr/lub/upowerd and /lib/systemd/upowerd, with udev apparently loaded, but not functioning. Opened up polkit, no difference. Sysctrl not working, and upowerd cannot find org.freedesktop file which is there |
| 20:20.49 | figlfdev | doesnt know the difference between /query and /msg though perhaps there is one (if not, theyre aliases) |
| 20:20.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: /msg is a tad "out of band", in some clients it opens a new tab, in some it doesn't |
| 20:20.59 | millpond | Sysctrl not working, and upowerd cannot find org.freedesktop file which is there. Basic question is does Devuan *clean up* older systemd crap??? And if not are there any faqs on how to do it. I'd happily yank polkit too. |
| 20:21.25 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: alright-- without a new tab im liable to breach "pm" and accidentally type in channel |
| 20:21.51 | figlfdev | which is usually just noisy, but could be awkward. |
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| 20:22.44 | figlfdev | used irc ages ago-- in dos actually |
| 20:22.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's really awkward |
| 20:22.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.07 | figlfdev | lol yeah |
| 20:23.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I urgently suggest to always switch to server tab for id |
| 20:23.51 | figlfdev | good idea |
| 20:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | or actually open a query to nickserv |
| 20:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw what opens the new tab with /msg it not the msg (see /msg ncikserv ) but possibly the reply from server or far end |
| 20:26.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | no new tab :-) |
| 20:26.46 | figlfdev | oh yeah |
| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | IRC is easy, but it smells funny |
| 20:27.55 | figlfdev | it smells like my grandma |
| 20:28.04 | figlfdev | i lie, she was fine. |
| 20:29.02 | Leander256 | I'd like to correct all this talk, but I think that reading the RFC 1459 would be faster ;) |
| 20:29.45 | figlfdev | agrees to read rfc 1459 if its sent via rfc 1149 |
| 20:29.55 | millpond | Question - is there a way to pause and auto-reconnect to channel when turning on VPN, and *possibly* hiding VPN address? |
| 20:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 |
| 20:30.41 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 20:31.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | millpond: for hidin your host addr you want to register your nick and then ask for a cloak in #freenode |
| 20:32.04 | figlfdev | would like to know how many rfc pertain primarily to implementation (obviously several pertain to use, and some most likely to both) |
| 20:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | millpond: http://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration |
| 20:36.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://freenode.net/kb/all |
| 20:38.41 | millpond | DocScrutinizer05: Email required. Perhaps when I have time to set up another guerrila.mail account. |
| 20:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is another drastic example for terrible JS/whatever redering a dirt simple page useless: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/05/plasma-desktopSC2277.png |
| 20:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're supposed to use a real email that persists |
| 20:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | this email address won't get disclosed or abused |
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| 20:40.12 | figlfdev | thinks its rather odd to register a form of anonymity with an email |
| 20:40.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | gm? |
| 20:40.38 | figlfdev | of course its more common to use email as a form of id than the more obvious use as a communications medium |
| 20:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the email channel is for sending you your IRC password when you forgot it |
| 20:41.27 | figlfdev | ahh |
| 20:41.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | how else would they do that? |
| 20:41.58 | figlfdev | psychic mediums? |
| 20:42.36 | figlfdev | smoke signals? western union telegram? |
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| 20:42.46 | figlfdev | (rfc 1149?) |
| 20:42.50 | golinux | millpond: I had opened a msg window earlier then went to have some lunch just getting back |
| 20:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they still do telegrams? |
| 20:42.51 | figlfdev | hey fsr |
| 20:43.16 | figlfdev | you can still send them i think. as to who does... i dunno |
| 20:43.23 | millpond | I hail from the old school that anonymity on the net is the ideal. Particularly on IRC. I dont want to have to worry obout someone DCCing me anything hinky. |
| 20:43.37 | figlfdev | millpond: thats why i use webchat |
| 20:43.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | err |
| 20:43.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | block DCC |
| 20:44.17 | figlfdev | although im guessing that youre more likely to get a boot sector virus than dcc/buffer overflowed in this day and age |
| 20:45.00 | figlfdev | if you used windows in the 90s maybe youre still a little cautious :) |
| 20:45.36 | fsmithred | hi |
| 20:45.44 | fsmithred | was just catching up |
| 20:46.31 | millpond | Alot cautious, though my win32 system has no Win firewall, no updates, and I can clik on buggers with impunity. |
| 20:47.23 | golinux | Hi fsr |
| 20:47.25 | fsmithred | millpond, what do you get when you run 'dpkg -l |grep polkit'? |
| 20:47.35 | fsmithred | and do same for policykit |
| 20:48.04 | figlfdev | golinux: the archive isnt working / will not work |
| 20:48.14 | fsmithred | some of them should say 'devuan' in the version |
| 20:48.16 | figlfdev | *does* know how it works |
| 20:48.37 | millpond | Actually, in WIn32 right now, as must get lil lady's Australian TV shows so I will be on VPN shortly. |
| 20:48.44 | fsmithred | figlfdev, which archive you talking about? |
| 20:48.47 | figlfdev | i tried to download the valentine pre-alpha from 182 urls yesterday. (thats roughly the number of days in the archive from 2015-2016) |
| 20:48.58 | golinux | was just going to ask that |
| 20:49.11 | figlfdev | fsmithred: the archive of devuan.org -- files.devuan.org is blocked by robots.txt |
| 20:49.12 | fsmithred | I know the answer |
| 20:49.16 | millpond | Yes, the packages installed cllearly are devuan, deb1-4. |
| 20:49.50 | figlfdev | which is a pity, because that means that alpha4 and pre-alpha are both gone -- and, future isos are blocked from being archived |
| 20:50.21 | figlfdev | so the SITE is archived, but if you go to the files.devuan.org on the archive, very few links (excepting alpha2) will download. you get a 404. |
| 20:50.25 | millpond | Now does that mean that devuan has no direct FTP access???? |
| 20:50.51 | figlfdev | millpond: not here, if thats what youre asking. this is about archiving old versions |
| 20:50.58 | figlfdev | (and new versions that will be old versions.) |
| 20:51.35 | millpond | OK - is BETA acessible via FTP publicly? |
| 20:51.54 | figlfdev | i dont know, its available (public) via http. |
| 20:52.18 | figlfdev | YOU can get to files.devuan.org but archive.org cant get to its isos. |
| 20:52.37 | mns` | guys, nice beta release. i just installed it here on another machine, and it's pretty nice |
| 20:52.40 | figlfdev | which means when theyre deleted, theyre gone. it got a few alpha2s. it wont get the beta. |
| 20:52.50 | mns` | thanks to all |
| 20:53.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors |
| 20:53.28 | infobot | i guess mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://devuan.selea.se/ http & ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ http://devuan.c3l.lu/ http://neo900.files.dev-1.org, or see https://www.devuan.org/ |
| 20:53.30 | millpond | What I *normally* do these days, is locally *mirror* distros I am using that have been stabilized - and 'update' using deb-partialmirror. |
| 20:53.30 | fsmithred | figlfdev, I've got some snapshots of alpha1 and alpha2, but I didn't keep the originals |
| 20:53.45 | fbt | I wonder if devuan enters a relatively stable state by teh time we at work switch from wheezy :) |
| 20:53.50 | figlfdev | fsmithred: the thing is, this can be done automatically if they fix robots.txt |
| 20:54.09 | figlfdev | currently archive.org wont go there because of the robots.txt file, but they can add an exception like this: |
| 20:54.43 | figlfdev | User-agent: ia_archiver (on the next line...) Disallow: |
| 20:54.45 | figlfdev | (sic) |
| 20:55.27 | figlfdev | in other words, Disallow nothing (ia_archiver is the agent for both archive.org and alexa, which were both founded by brewster kahle) |
| 20:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see why any robots.txt needed |
| 20:56.08 | figlfdev | as long as robots.txt stays like it is, everything BUT the devuan isos (rather the contents of files.devuan.org) will be archived. this is far from ideal. |
| 20:56.35 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: neither do i, but it probably blocks excessive traffic from search engines. perhaps googlebot downloads all those files. |
| 20:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.files.dev-1.org has no robots.txt |
| 20:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or does it? |
| 20:57.03 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: only counts if archive.org crawls it, eh? it does crawl the devuan site. |
| 20:57.07 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: i am checking right now |
| 20:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell me if I need to delete anything |
| 20:58.05 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: is that url/folder updated manually? because archive.org can be updated manually, allytonx already put the beta isos up after downloading them himself. |
| 20:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no worries about bandwidth and traffic, both in the 0.1% range |
| 20:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: sorry? |
| 20:58.34 | millpond | You *should* be able to simply block google and all the other search engines - I have done that on my myBB forum software and now it is essentially darknet. |
| 20:58.44 | figlfdev | millpond: yes |
| 20:59.12 | fsmithred | millpond, some commands that might help you... |
| 20:59.13 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: the neo900 site is not crawled/archived anyway, so it wont end up on the archive. |
| 20:59.20 | fsmithred | apt-get autoremove |
| 20:59.23 | fsmithred | deborphan |
| 20:59.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're welcome to add it to webarchive |
| 20:59.32 | figlfdev | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/ |
| 20:59.42 | fsmithred | aptitude search ~c and then aptitude purge ~c |
| 21:00.16 | figlfdev | DocScrutinizer05: it can be suggested, but id still like to know how the neo900 site gets stuff from the devuan.org site- by hand or automatically? (is it told to update, or on a cron job or similar?) |
| 21:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | auto |
| 21:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | cron |
| 21:00.46 | figlfdev | ahh, cool. so its just a matter of pointing the archive to it (not sure if they will or not.) |
| 21:01.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/README.html |
| 21:01.08 | figlfdev | the archive already crawls devuan.org automatically-- but devuan.org blocks the isos from it. |
| 21:01.12 | millpond | Problem with apt-get autoremove is that alot of still functioning programs and libraries might get removed. Consider it a last resort, but something which I might need to do. \ |
| 21:01.16 | figlfdev | reads the readme |
| 21:01.26 | millpond | As long as it does not go near /opt! |
| 21:01.38 | figlfdev | "this is a rsync (every hour) of files.devuan.org, shared only via HTTP:// by courtesy of Neo900 UG" <- SWEET |
| 21:01.41 | fsmithred | millpond, check first with the -s option |
| 21:01.48 | fsmithred | then decide what you want to keep |
| 21:02.01 | millpond | Did not know about -s |
| 21:02.10 | fsmithred | can't remember if there is a 'keep' command |
| 21:02.15 | fsmithred | --simulate |
| 21:02.25 | fsmithred | very helpful |
| 21:02.32 | millpond | indeed! |
| 21:02.33 | fsmithred | for installing or removing |
| 21:03.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/log.txt |
| 21:03.42 | fsmithred | apt-get --reinstall <packages you want to keep> |
| 21:04.08 | millpond | Reinstalling would take forever with 20,000 packages.... |
| 21:04.13 | fsmithred | then the package manager understands that they were installed explicitly instead of as dependencies |
| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | figlfdev: recently truncated it |
| 21:04.27 | fsmithred | wtf do you have so much installed??? |
| 21:04.39 | figlfdev | 20,000 is modest |
| 21:04.56 | figlfdev | standard wheezy install is > 30,000? |
| 21:05.01 | fsmithred | modest? I've got a little over 1500 packages on this installation |
| 21:05.03 | figlfdev | wait, no its like 4,500 |
| 21:05.15 | figlfdev | standard REPO is > 30,000 |
| 21:05.16 | fsmithred | usually, I have more, but not several times more |
| 21:05.22 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 21:05.33 | millpond | Its meand as a *development system* to handle ANYTHING that might need to be compiled. Plus a whole bunch of other goodies like Perl and Ruby- complete. |
| 21:05.55 | fsmithred | ok, I guess that adds up |
| 21:06.11 | fsmithred | much more than that, and you'd probably be stopped by conflicting packages |
| 21:06.48 | figlfdev | figures a complete ruby install would take up half the internet, even though it would look like base64 encoding |
| 21:06.52 | millpond | Actually it does require a little massaging to the /dpkg files.... |
| 21:06.58 | figlfdev | s/ruby/perl |
| 21:07.27 | millpond | I have Ruby mirrored with around a half million packages. |
| 21:09.16 | mns` | Perl FTW :) |
| 21:10.01 | millpond | Also got CPAN mirrored. never counted, though. |
| 21:11.20 | fsmithred | all of cpan? |
| 21:11.28 | millpond | I believe so. |
| 21:12.10 | fsmithred | ok, I've looked at enough other stuff that I no longer remember what your problem is. |
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| 21:12.34 | fsmithred | logout issues? |
| 21:12.54 | millpond | Problem is getting udev to work, and flushing out the systemd residuals. |
| 21:13.37 | figlfdev | fsmithred: out of curiosity, how does refracta do isohybrid? (does it just have the name of the iso and call the isohybrid binary?) |
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| 21:13.46 | figlfdev | realizes it may have already done that before you started working on it |
| 21:14.24 | fsmithred | figlfdev, I used to do it with the isohybrid command, but that seems to be gone. Now xorriso does it. |
| 21:14.48 | figlfdev | good to know (it isnt gone, its in syslinux-utils) |
| 21:15.08 | fsmithred | ok, have to rememvber that |
| 21:15.27 | fsmithred | I read something about running isohybrid with an option for uefi |
| 21:15.39 | fsmithred | i'd like to try that |
| 21:15.51 | figlfdev | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/i386/syslinux-utils/filelist |
| 21:16.02 | fsmithred | oh, I believe you |
| 21:16.08 | fsmithred | it's not installed here |
| 21:16.20 | millpond | All - must leave for now... |
| 21:16.22 | figlfdev | i noticed, thats why its added to fig os now (1.1) |
| 21:16.36 | fsmithred | good luck, millpond |
| 21:16.37 | figlfdev | latest mkfigos runs isohybrid for you |
| 21:16.50 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:16.51 | figlfdev | its also good to know xorriso can do it too |
| 21:17.00 | fsmithred | I'd add it right now, but I need to remove stuff |
| 21:17.12 | figlfdev | cool |
| 21:17.15 | fsmithred | to reduce the iso size |
| 21:17.21 | fsmithred | and I don't know what to remove |
| 21:17.35 | figlfdev | ncdu and gdmap are your friends. |
| 21:17.57 | fsmithred | yeah, I use gdmap a lot |
| 21:17.59 | figlfdev | theres a bulkier version of gdmap (called something else) that lets you delete stuff. ncdu has "d" to delete. |
| 21:18.11 | figlfdev | if you ever need a full-featured gdmap i can find it for you |
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| 21:18.16 | fsmithred | kdirstat is gdmap on steroids |
| 21:18.16 | figlfdev | but its the one i rely on |
| 21:18.27 | figlfdev | fsmithred: kdirstat is the one im thinking of |
| 21:18.43 | fsmithred | yeah, it needs a bunch of kde to work |
| 21:19.15 | figlfdev | hence gdmap :) i only install kdirstat for "industrial" work (ive rolled my own bloat finders several times) |
| 21:19.41 | figlfdev | ncdu is highly recommended but you may delete too much :) |
| 21:20.45 | figlfdev | 25% of refracta is locales. fig os deletes most but to keep one, just delete the two letters from the giant table and it will be kept |
| 21:21.32 | fsmithred | delete from list? |
| 21:21.56 | figlfdev | there are about 10 lines that rm -rf the relevant locales, the locales are separated by spaces |
| 21:22.43 | fsmithred | I might get rid of a few |
| 21:23.00 | figlfdev | so for example, if you see fil fo frp fur (those are actual locales) just delete "fil" from that part of the code and it will be kept. |
| 21:23.35 | figlfdev | if you know enough about locales to select them, its pretty straightforward (and i kept a bunch, just not tons that will likely not be used) |
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| 21:25.19 | figlfdev | i could make it so it only keeps the one with a * next to them, that would be more like a "dialog" selection. |
| 21:26.04 | figlfdev | i could even put a little [ ]next to each one |
| 21:26.04 | fsmithred | trying to remember which file they're stored in |
| 21:27.02 | figlfdev | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.12 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 21:27.37 | fsmithred | I got 24 locales configured, so, someone is getting axed |
| 21:30.54 | fsmithred | hmm. |
| 21:31.02 | fsmithred | I only have one locale configured. |
| 21:31.16 | fsmithred | and a list of 24 I'm supposed to do |
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| 21:34.12 | figlfdev | fsmithred: however many are configured, about/over 150 are available in refracta (at least the previous refracta 8. it may try to delete ones that are no longer included in 0722) |
| 21:34.15 | fsmithred | figlfdev, you just delete the directories under /usr/share/locale that you don't want? |
| 21:34.33 | figlfdev | fsmithred: thats what i do... im not sure what "best practices" are |
| 21:34.53 | figlfdev | if i do something just awful i tend to do something else in the next version :) |
| 21:34.57 | fsmithred | I really only need to keep the ones I chose to include. |
| 21:35.05 | figlfdev | i cant argue with that |
| 21:35.13 | figlfdev | and you know me, i would if i could :) |
| 21:35.22 | fsmithred | I see 292mb in the amd64 build, and 480mb on my install |
| 21:35.27 | fsmithred | lol |
| 21:35.36 | figlfdev | its out of respect :) |
| 21:36.25 | figlfdev | âYou only know a hacker respects you if heâs willing to waste his time shooting holes in your ideas.ââââPablos Holman |
| 21:36.50 | fsmithred | makes sense |
| 21:36.53 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 22:26.00 | lime_ | for a server, is bacports dangerous? |
| 22:26.10 | lime_ | *backports |
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| 23:58.23 | aitor | Sorry, i had space problems in the server due to my experiments, but now the repository is available: linux-base, kernel-wedge, linux-libre, vdev and simple-netaid |
