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| 13:18.46 | sysop | Hi! |
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| 13:19.54 | sysop2 | first time Devuan users here, long time debian/ubuntu user. How can I get KDE5 on Devuan?? |
| 13:20.19 | sysop2 | users=user |
| 13:25.03 | Leander256 | I think that the short story is: KDE5 depends on systemd, so there's no KDE5 |
| 13:25.29 | sysop2 | oh no! |
| 13:26.05 | debdog | hmm, IIRC some gentoo user told me his on KDE5 and I am very certain he does not use systemd. let me check |
| 13:26.26 | debdog | *he'S |
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| 13:27.12 | telst4r | maybe KDE5 can be compiled --without-systemd ? |
| 13:27.20 | telst4r | or --disable-lennart ? |
| 13:27.52 | sysop2 | this says its optional. but it could be full of it. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Plasma5-Systemd |
| 13:28.28 | debdog | I am not a kde user. but what do the version numbers mean there? https://dpaste.de/uA34/raw |
| 13:29.11 | debdog | yes, he confirmed. kde5 without systemd. mayhap the gentoo wiki knows something about it |
| 13:29.44 | sysop2 | thanks! |
| 13:30.04 | DusXMT | # aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop |
| 13:30.07 | DusXMT | 0 packages upgraded, 358 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:30.11 | DusXMT | Huh... |
| 13:30.45 | DusXMT | (or is it that Jessie has kde4?) |
| 13:31.15 | DusXMT | No, 5:84 |
| 13:31.35 | debdog | so it should be the deafult, right? |
| 13:31.39 | debdog | *default |
| 13:31.59 | sysop2 | jessie has KDE4 as far as I can tell. hold on let me make sure |
| 13:32.03 | Leander256 | apt refuses to install kde-full, though, there must be a systemd dependency somewhere |
| 13:32.38 | DusXMT | sysop2: yes, you're right, plasma-desktop: 4.11.3 |
| 13:33.02 | DusXMT | So sorry for bringing your hopes high =3 |
| 13:33.18 | sysop2 | thanks. I double checked the plasma programs name and its named plasma-desktop insteal of plasmashell. |
| 13:33.35 | sysop2 | so def kde4 |
| 13:33.39 | debdog | the conversation with the kde5 guy: https://dpaste.de/a99z/raw |
| 13:34.08 | debdog | so the gentoo guys prolly know how to compile it without systemd and even without pam |
| 13:34.23 | DusXMT | debdog: With Gentoo, it's as easy as USE='-systemd' |
| 13:34.24 | sysop2 | sweet I have no problems with sddm |
| 13:34.42 | DusXMT | Which is the default in most "system profiles" |
| 13:35.01 | sysop2 | does pam uses systemd now? |
| 13:36.54 | DusXMT | doesn't pam stand for "pluggable authentication module"? I'd think it's just a feature that can be turned on and off to allow key-based login, but forgive my ignorance if I'm incorrect =3 |
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| 13:50.50 | debdog | DusXMT: right. my point was, if it works on gentoo it might be possibe to compile it on devuan, too |
| 13:53.17 | DusXMT | debdog: It's definitely possible, but at the same time, it'll increase the amount of packages that need to be "forked" from debian |
| 13:53.33 | DusXMT | But at the same time, it's better than not having it at all |
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| 14:31.22 | zdzichu | another classic Poettering's quote: |
| 14:31.24 | zdzichu | #v+ |
| 14:31.24 | zdzichu | But I am not |
| 14:31.24 | zdzichu | convinced that fear-driven development is really the best strategy to |
| 14:31.24 | zdzichu | win the future... |
| 14:31.27 | zdzichu | #v- |
| 14:31.57 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 14:32.12 | hellekin | belongs to #debianfork anyway |
| 14:33.20 | zdzichu | oh, you're right hellekin; I'm sorry |
| 14:35.34 | hellekin | I guess we need more active development, so there's no incentive to derail the discussion. |
| 14:36.27 | zdzichu | is it me, or is the virtually zero development discussions on this channel? |
| 14:36.29 | hellekin | With more development, there will be no time left to waste on Poettering. Frankly, I don't understand that "cult of anti-personnality". There's something morbid about it. |
| 14:36.45 | Lydia_K | There is sometimes development discussion in here. |
| 14:36.50 | Lydia_K | It comes in bursts |
| 14:37.05 | hellekin | zdzichu: this is Summer time, everything is slowing down. |
| 14:37.49 | Lydia_K | I'm sure once we have an offical non-beta release we'll start to gain more attention, and as a result more contributers. |
| 14:46.58 | zdzichu | I'm here since 2014 and it is hard to come by real dev discussion |
| 14:47.53 | Lydia_K | I've been here almost a year, and I've seen a decent amount. There was like a month there were this channel actually was mostly dev discussion stuff, but yeah, still mostly non-dev related. |
| 14:56.01 | golinux | hellekin: Can you please have a look at https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues/14 |
| 14:57.32 | golinux | And the one following |
| 14:57.48 | golinux | Is that doable? |
| 15:02.58 | hellekin | golinux: I need to make space on my computer to run a VM with slim and have a look. Two things: 1) the slim config we have now was made for single user, single DE; 2) multi-user, multi-DE slim is probably not the best choice (but don't take my word for it, since I don't use multi-* nor a session manager in general) |
| 15:03.30 | hellekin | I've been running out of space for at least two months and it's quite annoying actually. |
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| 15:08.33 | golinux | hellekin: Who said anything about multi-user? |
| 15:09.19 | hellekin | golinux: someone mentioned it |
| 15:09.49 | golinux | We would just like to put some notes on the login page to point user how to 1)switch DE and 2) shutdown etc. from the login window. |
| 15:10.25 | golinux | I don;t remember seeing that. I agree that single user is all we need. |
| 15:10.54 | golinux | I hope that there will be enough room on the panel to do that. |
| 15:11.01 | golinux | hellekin: ^^^ |
| 15:11.16 | DusXMT | What about lightdm? Does it have the required multiuser features? |
| 15:11.47 | hellekin | golinux: how would you do that in non-English? I don't think it's supported |
| 15:12.13 | hellekin | man slim would be a better place for this information. |
| 15:12.57 | golinux | DusXMT: slim is et for Jessie. |
| 15:13.03 | hellekin | DusXMT: lightDM isn't as light as slim from what I can remember |
| 15:13.13 | golinux | Problem is that people don;t rtfm. |
| 15:13.29 | golinux | It's already on the README |
| 15:14.23 | golinux | Which amazingly I managed to find. Which shows you how few users think to look at basic docs, me included. |
| 15:15.24 | golinux | The login option is not up for debate for Jessie. Period. |
| 15:15.58 | golinux | hellekin: English is better than nothing. |
| 15:16.43 | hellekin | a package README is for maintainers, not users. The man command is for users, and they should learn to use it. |
| 15:17.06 | golinux | hellekin: How about an external hdd? Or a bigger internal? |
| 15:17.26 | hellekin | I disagree with "English is better than nothing". English is only one language, and if a program does not support any other language, that's a defect IMO> |
| 15:17.34 | golinux | almost never uses man pages |
| 15:17.43 | hellekin | golinux: I don't have any resource to buy anything. |
| 15:17.55 | golinux | What about dyne? |
| 15:18.11 | golinux | jaromil ^^^ |
| 15:18.19 | hellekin | I already have two (full) spare 2.5 disks from older laptops, but no adapter (I left it in Buenos Aires) |
| 15:18.54 | DusXMT | hellekin: As a non-native speaker, I personally consider English to be _the_ universal language, since it is taught all across the globe. Having something the majority of people can understand is better than not having anything |
| 15:18.59 | hellekin | and frankly that's not a priority |
| 15:19.13 | DusXMT | I know esperanto tried to take this position, but English unfortunately beat it |
| 15:19.48 | hellekin | DusXMT: it's just a very bad design to have some opening screen with a foreign language, especially for a feature 99% of users will ignore. |
| 15:19.59 | hellekin | but I'm not the authority on this you know. |
| 15:20.07 | DusXMT | Then there should be an easy way to disable it |
| 15:21.19 | golinux | hellekin: Is there even enough room to put that info on the panel? |
| 15:22.40 | golinux | It's a bit of a kludge but as DusXMT agreed, better than nothing. |
| 15:23.40 | DusXMT | (by the way, I'm just an observer and user, don't take my opinions too seriously :) |
| 15:28.36 | hellekin | golinux: it probably depends on the display size, and how much information is necessary. Maybe there's a tooltip that could be used. |
| 15:30.59 | golinux | OK. Now that the sludge dump is history, I can focus on Devuan. It's soooo nice to be back. |
| 15:31.31 | Lydia_K | sludge dump? |
| 15:33.03 | hellekin | Lydia_K: golinux started a campaign against a chemical dump in her zone, but the project was canceled soon after the campaign started. Probably they have other alternate places with less citizen watch over ecological matters. |
| 15:34.19 | Lydia_K | Oh wow |
| 15:34.32 | DusXMT | Very impressive |
| 15:34.33 | Lydia_K | so literal "Sludge dump" |
| 15:34.36 | DusXMT | golinux: Good work! |
| 15:34.48 | Lydia_K | That's pretty awesome golinux :) |
| 15:35.24 | hellekin | (OT: see also Monsanto giant GMO seed factory in Malvinas Argentinas, lots of resistance in the last two years; Nuclear waste dump project in Bure, France, where the construction is already going on, violating Forestry Code and anticipating Parliament decisions by a couple of years.) |
| 15:36.38 | golinux | Lydia_K: http://www.dontsludgebastrop.info/index.html |
| 15:37.14 | golinux | Took less than two months for them to turn tail and run. |
| 15:38.03 | golinux | Their bad luck of the draw that they tried to put this on my head. ;) |
| 15:38.25 | golinux | It was a team effort with local government. |
| 15:38.55 | DusXMT | "Debian RIP" :) |
| 15:39.10 | golinux | Bad part it's going to land on someone else's head. |
| 15:39.18 | golinux | There's no good solution. |
| 15:39.29 | golinux | DusXMT: You like that?! |
| 15:39.54 | DusXMT | golinux: Not sure, but it is a message |
| 15:40.17 | golinux | It is a link! |
| 15:40.25 | golinux | Click on it!! |
| 15:40.34 | DusXMT | did, I've read this one already :) |
| 15:40.44 | DusXMT | A long while ago, back when the topic was recent |
| 15:41.19 | golinux | It's my favorite summary of the "d" problem. |
| 15:42.08 | Lydia_K | Nice work golinux! Sounds like they weren't ready for organized opposition. |
| 15:42.41 | golinux | Thought we were county bumpkins most likely |
| 15:43.35 | hellekin | nobody's ever ready for organized opposition. But it's so hard to organize, right? |
| 15:43.36 | golinux | There is a group of us here that have been working together for up to 20 years. |
| 15:44.10 | golinux | We know all the players and they ;isten |
| 15:44.17 | golinux | listen |
| 15:44.32 | hellekin | that's it. Organizing takes time and some dedication. |
| 15:44.32 | hellekin | look at us :] |
| 15:44.53 | golinux | Indeed! |
| 15:45.22 | hellekin | time is most often underestimated (unless you have industrial/military organization with a clear chain of command and pawn-like actors) |
| 15:45.57 | hellekin | then what's underestimated is the territory |
| 15:46.32 | golinux | Yeah, it's not linear |
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| 15:48.23 | Lydia_K | All this talk really makes me want to get my startmeup scripts buttoned up and packaged properly so that they can be included in devuan properly. |
| 15:48.31 | golinux | So back on topic. hellekin please let me know when you're ready to work on the login manager. |
| 15:49.02 | golinux | Lydia_K: Yes! |
| 15:50.38 | hellekin | Lydia_K: startmeup? |
| 15:51.01 | golinux | Yes!! |
| 15:51.26 | golinux | I actually took a look at it in git the other day |
| 15:52.02 | golinux | Was delighted to see it there! |
| 15:52.14 | Lydia_K | https://git.devuan.org/Lydia_K/startmeup/ |
| 15:52.43 | golinux | hellekin: You need to hang out here more often. ;) |
| 15:52.44 | Lydia_K | I got sick of the regular flow of people going "But packages will stop supporting sysvinit start/stop scripts!" |
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| 15:53.27 | Lydia_K | So I wrote a little script that utilizes a generic start/stop script template to install scripts for arbitrary daemons. |
| 15:54.30 | Lydia_K | I need to learn how the whole packaging system/workflow works and document it for other people. |
| 15:58.45 | jaromil | Lydia_K: sounds good :^) the name too |
| 15:58.51 | jaromil | hybrid approaches are powerful |
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| 15:59.47 | jaromil | also the "openrc support" mention veeery good. we are proceeding on that too for ASCII so. very well. |
| 16:02.10 | telst4r | startmeup.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPyWDMmYJhQ |
| 16:02.19 | telst4r | prepares to be kicked |
| 16:03.40 | golinux | telst4r: No kick for that! |
| 16:04.05 | golinux | We all listened during the naming session |
| 16:04.09 | Akuli | lol :D |
| 16:05.49 | golinux | Oops not that vid. Right music wrong images. |
| 16:07.50 | Lydia_K | Someone made a request about OpenRC and I was like "Why not?" |
| 16:08.07 | Lydia_K | I always liked OpenRC, and it's not really much additional work to support it. |
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| 16:08.26 | Lydia_K | LOL, yeah, golinux came up with the name, I couldn't think of anything good. |
| 16:09.09 | Lydia_K | It's actually a pretty perfect name, doesn't collide with other projects, recognizable, self explanitory, contains a cultural reference, it's got it all! |
| 16:10.02 | Lydia_K | What I really need to do it get it packaged before the first offical release, I'd love for it to be part of the default install on a devuan box. |
| 16:11.01 | Akuli | creating debian packages is easy |
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| 16:14.05 | Lydia_K | Akuli: I've never done it before, I've done ebuilds and RPMs, but never a deb |
| 16:14.58 | Akuli | i've never built an rpm succesfully |
| 16:15.05 | Lydia_K | They are pretty easy |
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| 16:15.23 | Lydia_K | It's been a while since I've done it, but they are pretty simple. |
| 16:15.27 | Akuli | deb packages are easy, just create a file structure representing the / of the system, and a DEBIAN folder in it with a control file |
| 16:15.40 | Lydia_K | Oh, that does sound pretty easy. |
| 16:15.45 | Akuli | yes |
| 16:15.51 | Akuli | very straight-forward |
| 16:16.00 | Lydia_K | But I still need to understand the whole devuan workflow so that I can do everything properly in that department. |
| 16:16.03 | Akuli | then you just dpkg-deb --build folder |
| 16:16.07 | fsmithred | is the changelog also necessary? |
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| 16:16.16 | Akuli | its not, but probably good practice |
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| 16:20.01 | fsmithred | Akuli, I played with your browser a bit. I couldn't get file:// to work. |
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| 16:45.41 | Akuli | fsmithred, i think it worked just fine last time i tried it |
| 16:45.41 | Akuli | lets see |
| 16:46.21 | Akuli | it works just fine for me. which python are you running it in? |
| 17:00.18 | fsmithred | sorry, I went afk |
| 17:00.27 | fsmithred | Akuli, python3, I think |
| 17:00.38 | fsmithred | can't test right now, the big computer is off |
| 17:00.55 | Akuli | file:/// works fine for me with python 3 |
| 17:01.39 | fsmithred | oh, maybe I needed a third slash |
| 17:01.59 | hellekin | the third / matches the filesystem's root directory |
| 17:02.22 | fsmithred | choosing a file from file manager (thunar) didn't work, either |
| 17:02.52 | fsmithred | hey, if you don't have to run off right away, I'll fire up the beast and try it again |
| 17:03.08 | fsmithred | gonna make coffee right now. brb |
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| 17:11.30 | Akuli | fsmithred, yep, you need three slashes |
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| 17:15.45 | fsmithred | yup three slashes and full path. I tried with a file in the same directory before |
| 17:17.20 | Akuli | oh, with a relative path? |
| 17:17.50 | Akuli | you can use something like ./webbrowser.py file://$PWD/coolfile.html for relative paths |
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| 17:21.24 | fsmithred | still can't get it to work in thunar: right-click, open with other application, then select webbrowser.py, I get about:blank |
| 17:21.42 | fsmithred | also tried adding %f after it (file with full path) |
| 17:22.13 | Akuli | in that case we need to change the way it works |
| 17:24.12 | fsmithred | I was gonna do that but... I don't know any python. |
| 17:24.17 | Akuli | fsmithred, better? |
| 17:24.25 | Akuli | i didn't test it but it should work :) |
| 17:24.42 | fsmithred | I gotta get the new version. |
| 17:24.46 | fsmithred | hang on. |
| 17:25.06 | Akuli | you can actually feed code into python from stdin |
| 17:25.11 | Akuli | you just need to give it a pipe as stdin |
| 17:25.15 | Akuli | e.g. cat | python3 |
| 17:25.24 | Akuli | then copy-paste some code there and send an EOF to run |
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| 17:28.30 | fsmithred | cool! it works. |
| 17:29.21 | fsmithred | Akuli, are you planning to continue developing this, or was it just a fun project? |
| 17:29.48 | Akuli | probably not, at this point its what i want it to be |
| 17:30.07 | Akuli | a very minimal browser for use when ram usage really matters |
| 17:30.12 | fsmithred | ok, thanks for adding requested features. |
| 17:30.17 | Akuli | :) |
| 17:30.45 | gci_admin | Howdy folks. I have installed Devuan beta 1 on an HP ZBook 15 for one of our managers. Everything works. The only problem that I see is when one logs out of the desktop, the screen goes blank and the system no longer responds to keyboard input. The only "fix" is a hard power reset. :( |
| 17:30.46 | fsmithred | hope you don't mind that I renamed it - akuli-webbrowser.py |
| 17:31.02 | gci_admin | Where do I go to diagnose this? |
| 17:31.13 | Akuli | fsmithred, no problem |
| 17:32.21 | fsmithred | gci_admin, can you get to a console with ctrl-alt-fn? |
| 17:32.37 | fsmithred | I mean when still logged in to desktop |
| 17:32.43 | Akuli | you probably mean like ctrl+alt+f1 or something :) |
| 17:32.54 | fsmithred | yes, n=number |
| 17:33.01 | Akuli | fn is a special key in most new laptops |
| 17:33.05 | Akuli | "new" :D |
| 17:33.12 | fsmithred | yeah, I thought about that after I typed it |
| 17:33.22 | fsmithred | on this laptop that has a Fn key |
| 17:33.44 | gci_admin | fsmithred, while logged in, yes. Akuli, i knew what he meant, even though there is a [Fn] key. ;) |
| 17:34.07 | fsmithred | ok, what first came to mind is to boot with 'nomodeset' in the boot command |
| 17:34.31 | Akuli | so you think its a graphics driver issue? |
| 17:34.32 | fsmithred | nvidia is famous for black screen, but I don't think they're unique in that. |
| 17:34.57 | gci_admin | FTR, the console fonts are freaking tiny. Fairly difficult to read with me old eyes. :P |
| 17:35.03 | Akuli | to me they usually occur while doing some heavy work, like watching a video |
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| 17:36.18 | gci_admin | Apparently this is being set to some ridiculously high resolution. |
| 17:36.50 | Akuli | setfont is a command for changing the font.. im trying to figure out how to actually use it :D |
| 17:37.39 | fsmithred | maybe change grub gfxpayload or run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 17:38.35 | gci_admin | fsmithred, thanks, I'll check that. |
| 17:39.32 | fsmithred | I always change the console font to vga, with makes it a little bolder |
| 17:39.42 | Akuli | by the way, how can i change my default keyboard layout? |
| 17:39.56 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-layout, I think |
| 17:40.01 | fsmithred | maybe layouts |
| 17:41.34 | fsmithred | pretty sure you can set it at boot, too. |
| 17:41.51 | fsmithred | I know I've done it with syslinux, I'm not sure if it's the same with grub |
| 17:43.15 | Akuli | turned out to be keyboard-configuration, thanks |
| 17:43.21 | gci_admin | Hmmm, changed to VGA, restarted, hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, console font is still tiny. |
| 17:44.39 | gci_admin | Now, cannot get a desktop. :/ |
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| 17:46.35 | fsmithred | not ctrl-alt-F7(or 8 or 9)? |
| 17:48.17 | gci_admin | I get the Devuan default login screen, try to login, screen flashes and does nothing for several seconds with the green background still visible, then goes blank and does not respond to keyboard. This is worse than it was. :P |
| 17:49.04 | gci_admin | Luckily, I can get console /before/ trying to login. So I will see if I can fix it. |
| 17:51.49 | fsmithred | try adding nomodeset to boot line |
| 17:51.55 | fsmithred | to linux line |
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| 17:56.02 | gci_admin | Yup, nomodeset did the trick. Logging out of the desktop works now too. I should make that permanent. |
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| 18:00.36 | gci_admin | Hmmm, this thing has nVidia chipset. I presume it is using nouveau for that. I would like to try the official nVidia driver, is that available in the repo as "nvidia-support"? (Looking in Synaptic at the moment.) |
| 18:04.54 | gci_admin | Ah, "nvidia-driver" seems to be what I want. |
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| 18:17.38 | fsmithred | maybe nvidia-vdpau-driver and maybe nvidia-dkms |
| 18:18.22 | fsmithred | been a long time since I used the nvidia driver from the repo - I usually get it from nvidia |
| 18:19.41 | gci_admin | Got it. I used "nvidia-driver", but on reboot had no X screens. So had to install "nvidia-xconfig" and run that. Then logged in as a user, ran "startx" and got a desktop. logged out, rebooted and all is well. :) |
| 18:19.59 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:20.12 | gci_admin | Apparently nouveau and this hardware just don't play well together. ;) |
| 18:21.42 | fsmithred | with my old nvidia card, I had to add nomodeset when running the nvidia driver to avoid black screen, then wtih the newer card, I had to stop using nomodeset, because it caused a black screen |
| 18:21.56 | Akuli | fsmithred, did you try single user mode? |
| 18:21.58 | fsmithred | now I use nouveau, and it has some weirdness, but basically works |
| 18:22.02 | Akuli | or wait, that doesn't have internet i guess |
| 18:22.11 | fsmithred | single user for what? |
| 18:22.21 | gci_admin | fsmithred, yeah, tricks like that are part of what make Linux fun. ;) |
| 18:22.46 | gci_admin | wanders off to get some work done. |
| 18:22.56 | fsmithred | yeah, I've learned over the years. Just keep kicking it around until it does what you want. |
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| 20:25.15 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 20:25.27 | slim248221 | hi Centurion_Dan |
| 20:29.57 | Centurion_Dan | slim248221: hi |
| 20:30.46 | Centurion_Dan | Lydia_K: there are several packaging templates for debian packages - dhmake is the one I typically use. |
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| 20:34.45 | Centurion_Dan | It's been so long since I had a chance to really get stuck into devuan stuff.... |
| 20:35.00 | slim248221 | :D |
| 20:35.09 | slim248221 | I am building devuan puppy |
| 20:38.08 | Centurion_Dan | It's time I took a good hard look Devuan, what needs to be done to get 1.0 out and then start rallying people to get on with it. |
| 20:40.21 | slim248221 | Devuan is moving up on distrowatch |
| 20:40.55 | slim248221 | 12 months: 270 (13), 6 months: 267 (27), 3 months: 153 (55), 4 weeks: 125 (62), 1 week: 118 (63) |
| 20:41.15 | slim248221 | oh wait nevermind |
| 20:41.44 | slim248221 | oh yes it is |
| 20:41.55 | slim248221 | number in brackets are hits per day |
| 20:42.06 | slim248221 | not in brackets is position |
| 20:42.39 | fsmithred | 270 |
| 20:43.01 | fsmithred | I predict that will shoot way up with beta2 (or rc?) |
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| 20:51.18 | golinux | fsmithred: Don't we already have a beta2? |
| 20:51.42 | golinux | We're looking to RC1, I think. |
| 20:52.44 | Centurion_Dan | It's great we've got people hacking on various side projects, but now is the time to focus on the core, and get our release out. So who's up for helping to orghanise Devuan's inaugural international hackathon - 48 hours of round the world hacking to get Devuan to close to a release. |
| 20:53.00 | slim248221 | :D |
| 20:53.35 | Centurion_Dan | We have beta(1) out so the next release will be beta2. |
| 20:54.22 | golinux | Ah, that was wishful thinking . . . |
| 20:54.25 | Centurion_Dan | followed there-after hopefully by RC(s) and then final 1.0 release |
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| 20:54.38 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: Did you see these new issues? https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues |
| 20:55.06 | golinux | And stevelitt' email summarizing |
| 20:55.17 | golinux | 's |
| 20:55.33 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, do you have any builds you want tested? |
| 20:55.48 | golinux | IIRC you've hacked on slim a bit |
| 20:56.16 | Centurion_Dan | I've been so out of it lately I've hardly touched anything devuan outside of a few installs. |
| 20:58.17 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: not currently. We have a big issue still with amprolla that I need to catch up with nextime on. He was apparently rewriting it while soaking up the sun on a beach somewhere in France, but I haven't heard from him in a while. |
| 20:59.00 | fsmithred | yeah, I heard some rumors about that |
| 20:59.23 | fsmithred | must be a very powerful laptop screen he was using |
| 21:00.47 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: i'll be in at least for a 48h during august |
| 21:01.07 | jaromil | looking forward to what nextime comes with |
| 21:04.24 | fsmithred | does the purpy theme need to be packaged? I could do that. |
| 21:10.04 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred, I have a bunch of todo's around the theme and desktop-base packages to do. We'll also have to apply a fix to grub2 to add support for grub themes. |
| 21:11.32 | Centurion_Dan | I also need to sort out a proper approach for SVN & bazaar based debian packages, as they are problematic - particularly the gnome packages. |
| 21:12.36 | Lydia_K | Cool, I'll check that Centurion_Dan :) |
| 21:19.17 | Centurion_Dan | Lydia_K: it creates a bunch of templates in /debian that either need modifying or deleting if they're irrelevant to your needs. |
| 21:19.38 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: have you been in touch with nextime recently? |
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| 21:20.15 | Centurion_Dan | I hope he wasn't caught up in that horrible situ in Nice. |
| 21:20.17 | Lydia_K | Do I just add all that to my git repo? Or do I build a deb and put it somewhere else? |
| 21:23.25 | Centurion_Dan | Lydia_K: make a suites/experimental branch and do it there. The /debian dir adds all the bits that are used by the debian build tools to make the package with all the metadata etc - very similar to rpm in that respect. |
| 21:26.43 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: nextime wasn't in Nice. Neither was hellekin thankfully. |
| 21:27.25 | Centurion_Dan | Whew!! |
| 21:28.09 | golinux | They are both in France though |
| 21:28.53 | Centurion_Dan | Lydia_K: theres a bunch of to read from https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
| 21:29.42 | Centurion_Dan | lots of guides there. Ignore quilt and the bits related to using tarballs - that's not needed when using a vcs and native packages. |
| 21:34.29 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I'm a bit miffed at the approach to adding openrc and other init support. |
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| 21:35.47 | Centurion_Dan | It seems completely stupid to have scripts around from all init systems all the time. That's a recipe for confusion and something I strongly disagree with. |
| 21:36.24 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: he was 20km away from the tragedy and not he wasn't caught up, I immediately checked that night.. |
| 21:37.27 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: as long as its clear which directory belongs to what startup command, who wants can test the init and then work can go on to check |
| 21:38.16 | Centurion_Dan | we can manage install/uninstall of them using package triggers tied to the installed init system package. |
| 21:39.15 | Centurion_Dan | the only time we should see more then one set of init scripts|service files etc is during a transition from one init system to another. |
| 21:40.31 | Centurion_Dan | otherwise debugging can be problematic when one has to try and figure which is the installed init system. |
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| 23:24.27 | stevelitt | stevelitt |
| 23:24.39 | stevelitt | Yeah, that went well, LOL |
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| 23:54.28 | slim287741 | stevelitt |
| 23:54.38 | slim287741 | better |