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| 00:55.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind! |
| 00:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | vagrant init Neo900-KiCAD http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/vagrantboxes/kicad_1920x1080__root-devuan_compile-kicad/kicad-xfce-devuan.box |
| 00:56.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | not tested yet, but should work if I understood `vagrant init` correctly |
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| 00:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the box not only provides a KiCAD latest release after `vagrant up` (login 'compile', 'kicad'), but also is a working environment to build KiCAD under devuan |
| 01:02.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | the box will create a shared dir named ./kicad in your current dir where you run the above command. Needed during compile time and comes in handy for KiCAD project files |
| 01:20.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/15/plasma-desktopGw2277.png http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/15/plasma-desktopax2277.png |
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| 01:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/mky3 |
| 01:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETA still now+6h++ |
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| 01:58.28 | furrywolf | meh. I really need to set up my new laptop. |
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| 02:42.47 | furrywolf | âI'm not even going to start talking about the people who prefer to 'box in' their comments, and line up both ends and have fancy boxes of stars around the whole thing," he adds. "I'm sure that looks really nice if you are out of your mind on LSD, and have nothing better to do than to worry about the right alignment of the asterisks.â |
| 02:42.53 | furrywolf | I <heart> linus. |
| 02:55.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | LINK! or it didn't happen! :-D <3 |
| 02:55.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | golden! |
| 02:56.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wistles innocently while pondering where to have a look at systemd sources, with least effort |
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| 02:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway this looks more like a mix of cocain, weed and alcohol: |
| 02:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~freee |
| 02:58.16 | infobot | it has been said that freee is http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296 |
| 03:03.20 | furrywolf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/11/linus_torvalds_in_sweary_rant_about_punctuation_in_kernel_comments/ link |
| 03:04.48 | furrywolf | I'm really, really tempted to submit a kernel patch that changes some of the comments to the most absolutely ugly ways I can think of. |
| 03:05.04 | furrywolf | maybe put them at the start of lines of code? :) |
| 03:06.07 | furrywolf | hrmm... /* this will increment x /* x++ /* x++; */ ; /* x is now incremented. */ |
| 03:06.14 | MinceR | intersperse them with tokens |
| 03:06.14 | furrywolf | gah, typo. |
| 03:06.20 | furrywolf | hrmm... /* this will increment x */ x++ /* x++; */ ; /* x is now incremented. */ |
| 03:06.23 | MinceR | one word of comment, one token, another word of the same comment... |
| 03:06.48 | MinceR | also, make the comment markers hard to find and put something that looks like code in comments |
| 03:06.55 | furrywolf | I once got back a programming assignment where every single line had a comment, every comment was 100% correct, and every comment was 100% useless. |
| 03:07.40 | furrywolf | x=y+z; /* add the contents of variable y and the contents of variable z and store the results in variable x. */ |
| 03:07.55 | MinceR | https://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~susan/475/unmain.html |
| 03:08.22 | MinceR | that x=y+z; could use some "read the contents of variable" in it too :> |
| 03:08.52 | furrywolf | fprintf(stderr, "foo: %s\n", bar); /* call the function fprintf with the parameters "stderr", "foo: %s\n", and "bar". */ |
| 03:08.52 | furrywolf | etc |
| 03:11.24 | MinceR | https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code |
| 03:13.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: I already was about to ask if /* nests now |
| 03:13.56 | MinceR | lol |
| 03:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it didn't so far |
| 03:14.12 | MinceR | yeah, it doesn't afaik either |
| 03:14.21 | MinceR | unlike in html, where it's really screwy |
| 03:14.24 | furrywolf | I think gcc has an option for it, but that was just a typo. |
| 03:14.40 | MinceR | (probably also in sgml) |
| 03:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | /* so this is /* a valid /* comment /* with subsequent real program /* text */ x++; |
| 03:15.09 | furrywolf | actually, googling suggests gcc handles nested comments by default. |
| 03:15.20 | furrywolf | since there's a -W option to bitch at you for using them. |
| 03:16.20 | somerandomnick | Several years ago GCC didn't handle them as nested comments, so if it does now that is a change. |
| 03:16.56 | somerandomnick | There have been numerous comments allowing them to nest would likely have been better, but when K&R wrote the first compiler, it didn't support it. |
| 03:17.45 | furrywolf | sometimes it's rather nice to be able to comment out a block of code that has descriptive comments in it. |
| 03:19.21 | MinceR | that's when i use #if 0 |
| 03:19.37 | furrywolf | yep |
| 03:19.41 | MinceR | or prefix all lines with // |
| 03:19.46 | furrywolf | although sometimes I use an if(0). :) |
| 03:19.49 | MinceR | (i have a vim plugin that can do that) |
| 03:19.50 | MinceR | :) |
| 03:20.07 | furrywolf | I need to find an editor I like. I've been looking for many decades. |
| 03:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: ((sometimes it's rather nice to be able to comment)) yes, but sometimes you might have comments that actually would render the whole code fubar when suddenly the compiler would allow nesting |
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| 03:28.04 | furrywolf | I've written lisp... nested c comments are trivial. :) |
| 03:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I recall having a editor macro for that which did convert all /\(_*\)\* to /\1\* and same for */, between a block that gets /* commented out */. And inverse for deleting a /*, until next */ which would also get deleted |
| 03:29.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | err s /\1\* /\1\_* |
| 03:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so /* this */ comment |
| 03:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | would become: /* so /_* this *_/ comment */ |
| 03:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then /*would become: /_* so /__* this *__/ comment *_/ */ |
| 03:33.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonmder what Linus would utter, seeing this ;-P |
| 03:35.00 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 04:11.02 | furrywolf | sigh. if you start a google search with "which", 6 of the suggestions it has are pokemon. |
| 04:13.30 | Centurion_Dan | Does anybody know if there are existing Devuan AMI's on AWS?? |
| 04:14.12 | furrywolf | doesn't even know what that means! |
| 04:25.55 | furrywolf | curls up on Lydia_K for bedtime |
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| 05:03.42 | somerandomnick | Evening. |
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| 06:23.22 | edbarx | Good Morning |
| 06:34.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
| 06:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | 10 min until ETA of the KiCAD vagrant box |
| 06:39.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | vagrant init Neo900-KiCAD http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/vagrantboxes/kicad_1920x1080__root-devuan_compile-kicad/kicad-xfce-devuan.box; vagrant up |
| 06:45.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I consider the KiCAD buolding sort of a stresstest for devuan, which passed with excellence |
| 06:45.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | building* |
| 06:46.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, finished |
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| 08:35.07 | Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: That sounds awesome. |
| 08:36.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | test it ;-) |
| 08:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | vagrat creates a few definitely weird named dirs line ~/ and =/, but aside from that it works just like expected |
| 08:37.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | vagrant creates a few definitely weird named dirs like ~/ and =/, but aside from that it works just like expected |
| 08:39.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the shared dir is ./tmp (this time with meta ~), not ./kicad like I said, it's only ~compile/kicad inside VM |
| 08:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for the size, but it's a complete system, incl all build deps |
| 08:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and xfce |
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| 08:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're fed up, use `vagrant destroy" and nod off "destroy default?" |
| 08:50.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is probably smarter than simply nuking the complete dir, since it also should take care of VBox stuff sitting whoknowswhere |
| 08:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're interested in the original Vagrantfile I used, you find it next to *.box in http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/vagrantboxes/kicad_1920x1080__root-devuan_compile-kicad/ |
| 08:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually you also find it inside kicad-xfce-devuan.box and probably also somewhere in the weird dirs vagrant creates |
| 08:56.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the screen resolution is OK, otherwise you could edit the xrandr -s command in xfce's settings-session-autostart |
| 08:58.25 | ryuujin | helo |
| 08:59.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | for unclear reasons I had to use that approach since neither VBox Guest-blabla did auto-res adjust, not had xorg.config the effect you'd hope for |
| 09:01.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | an improved future version will kick out the display manager, so no more login needed, and then xorg.config.d/* might work as expected |
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| 09:03.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | just once more: login is user:compile pw:kicad |
| 09:04.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or the usual root, devuan) |
| 09:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | any improved future version should also ship with the standard KiCAd component libs and the templates |
| 09:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | and probably with Neo900 schematics |
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| 11:51.46 | sergioad | Hello friends |
| 11:52.50 | sergioad | I must admit that I recently bought a Raspberry Pi 3 model B and I bought a class 10 16 GB MicroSD card wich will have Devuan Jessie |
| 11:53.21 | sergioad | does Devuan has XFCE or LXDM on it's ARM version? |
| 11:53.49 | DusXMT | I haven't tried the arm version myself, but I see no reason for them to be missing |
| 11:53.53 | Akuli | doesn't that use the same packages? |
| 11:54.20 | sergioad | if it does I wil be so happy |
| 11:55.00 | DusXMT | sergioad: Most packages come from debian unmodified, so most things that Debian has, we should have as well. (the only things that are modified are things that depend, or otherwise not work without systemd) |
| 11:55.36 | sergioad | I wanted a desktop OS but I do not like LXDE so I preffered to get the devian one |
| 11:55.52 | sergioad | I dismissed raspbian |
| 11:56.22 | debdog | if in doubt, you can grep the package list https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-armhf/ |
| 11:57.22 | sergioad | friends seriously, I love how quickly you respond, not many IRC channels has such speed to respond to newbie |
| 11:57.31 | sergioad | not EVEN Ubuntu |
| 11:57.37 | Akuli | :) |
| 11:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | here it depends |
| 11:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you were just lucky |
| 11:57.57 | sergioad | hahahaha I see |
| 11:58.56 | sergioad | so yes |
| 11:59.06 | sergioad | I chosen Devuan because XFCE |
| 11:59.34 | sergioad | LXDE (for me) is arcaic, specially it's menu |
| 11:59.48 | sergioad | on XFCE you have at least whisker menu |
| 12:00.24 | DusXMT | I personally like Mate, though I don't know how well it'd work on a system like the raspi... but then again, I've heard v3 is quite powerful |
| 12:00.44 | sergioad | indeed |
| 12:01.04 | DusXMT | I think you even need a fan to cool the SoC off |
| 12:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:01.42 | sergioad | I have also downloaded UbuntuMATE but I will have 4 MicroSDs in total so I had one free SD |
| 12:03.32 | sergioad | soooo.. my first option was Manjaro ARM, unfortunely MJRO ARM has not an image for an easy write to SDs |
| 12:03.51 | sergioad | at least not on it's base edition, only the minimal one |
| 12:04.10 | sergioad | them I gone for Raspbian but men, LXDE |
| 12:04.24 | sergioad | and finally I landed on Devuan lands |
| 12:04.30 | sergioad | what do you think? |
| 12:04.53 | DusXMT | sergioad: I think that judging a distro by the default desktop is silly :) |
| 12:05.29 | sergioad | it is but a DE (for me) needs a modern menu at least |
| 12:05.49 | DusXMT | Ah, the times when people made custom debian installer images where they changed the background and called it a new distro... |
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| 12:06.07 | sergioad | sadly..... |
| 12:06.58 | DusXMT | sergioad: Well, you're still going to have to install it yourself, I doubt the default raspi image has a desktop installed, unneccessary waste of space |
| 12:07.21 | debdog | hmm, the devuan raspi image is rather spartanic. IIRC it comes with openbox by default. though it's easy to install DEs using their meta packages |
| 12:07.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=UF383-100 |
| 12:07.42 | KatolaZ | it has a default DE, BTW |
| 12:07.44 | DusXMT | Oh, so it does come with X at least, thanks debdog |
| 12:07.59 | KatolaZ | whatever it is |
| 12:07.59 | sergioad | yes |
| 12:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | DusXMT: ^^^ |
| 12:09.37 | DusXMT | well, sorry for spreading misinformation then~ but still, you can't really consider openbox a DE |
| 12:09.55 | sergioad | that is true |
| 12:10.30 | sergioad | and even for LXDE, it's base is Openbox |
| 12:11.27 | sergioad | somebody saw the new MiniNES from Nintendo? |
| 12:12.02 | sergioad | looks nice but with a 3D printer I can make my RPI a NES like console :D |
| 12:12.19 | debdog | had troubles to configure keyboard layout, raspi-config did not work properly on the image. |
| 12:12.43 | sergioad | what is that message? |
| 12:12.59 | debdog | right now I am trying with a raspian wheezy which I've updated to devuan jessie. worked out well so far. |
| 12:13.56 | sergioad | I see |
| 12:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | that fan is awesome. airflow 0.0002m³/min |
| 12:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW 0.2L/min |
| 12:14.55 | sergioad | friends if you buy a Tomee USB controler be warned that it's D-Pad is cheeply built, you should repair it |
| 12:18.50 | sergioad | I specially bouht the Tomee NES dobone USB controller |
| 12:20.01 | DusXMT | I don't mean to be rude, but what does any of that have to do with Devuan, or free software? |
| 12:20.37 | sergioad | yes, if you want to play FCEUX with a NES like gamepad :) |
| 12:21.34 | sergioad | it is good but it's D-Pad is not quite god at all, I gave it 3 of 5 stars on Amazon Mexxico :) I have tited it as "good but may be better" :) |
| 12:21.53 | sergioad | anyway, that is the last thing I will say about that topic :D |
| 12:27.04 | sergioad | friends how easy is to installing XFCE on my Devuan image? |
| 12:27.15 | DusXMT | # tasksel |
| 12:27.37 | Akuli | apt-get install xfce4-desktop ? |
| 12:28.19 | sergioad | cool :) |
| 12:28.35 | sergioad | them I will install Devuan |
| 12:28.52 | Akuli | you can just select xfce4 at the end of the installation |
| 12:29.04 | Akuli | when the installer asks what software you want to install |
| 12:29.10 | sergioad | cool |
| 12:29.25 | DusXMT | Akuli: They're going to use the raspi image, not d-i |
| 12:30.37 | sergioad | has less trash than Raspbian (will be easier to get rid of all the unnecesary software) |
| 12:30.37 | DusXMT | sergioad: tasksel is what the installer normally uses, but if you want a more fine-tuned control over which parts of xfce you want, then perhaps having a look in 'aptitude' (as root) wouldn't hurt |
| 12:31.01 | DusXMT | to install the desktop, that is |
| 12:31.02 | sergioad | thank you very much |
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| 12:39.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | tasksel [x]xfce -> downloading 620 packages |
| 12:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | did that just a day ago |
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| 12:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'll be able to cram it into <3GB anyway |
| 12:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | for some odd reason it seems I had to install it twice via tasksel, first time it downloaded 620, second time it skipped download and installed 520 |
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| 14:25.56 | antani | re |
| 14:41.31 | antani | can i use debootstrap in debian jessie to bootstrap devuan jessie? |
| 14:43.47 | Akuli | i've debootstrapped ubuntu using debian instructions, so i guess you can |
| 14:44.01 | Akuli | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 14:51.12 | fsmithred | antani, I know you can install devuan with debootstrap, but I've only done it using the devuan debootstrap. Debian might pull in systemd. I'm not sure. |
| 14:58.20 | antani | okay, i can use --exclude to avoid systemd |
| 14:59.03 | Akuli | doesn't debootstrap get the packages from whatever url you give it? |
| 15:08.49 | fsmithred | Akuli, I think so. I've only used it a couple of times. |
| 15:10.13 | Akuli | anyway |
| 15:10.39 | Akuli | in the link i posted, you can basically replace debian with ubuntu and jessie with trusty |
| 15:10.43 | Akuli | and you get an ubuntu |
| 15:12.43 | fsmithred | yeah, it should work. I'd check after, just to make sure the exclude really worked. |
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| 15:32.32 | jaromil | antani: better use our own debootstrap which contains some fixes |
| 15:32.38 | jaromil | not sure this message went through? |
| 15:33.09 | jaromil | antani: you need in particular the fix by Kenshi Muto who was then rejected by someone having a bad day or so |
| 15:33.11 | figlfdev | Lydia_K: "LSP" = l5t "s5d" p8g |
| 15:33.13 | jaromil | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/debootstrap/commit/9541b8cb8ff0ec47781d23aa09976112afbbe9be |
| 15:33.19 | jaromil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.25 | figlfdev | knew i18n notation was good for something |
| 15:34.02 | antani | jaromil, i'm on proxmox (debian 7) and i want to debootstrap a devuan |
| 15:34.07 | jaromil | (antani: scusi lei ha claxonato? scappellata a destra come se fosse muto) |
| 15:34.17 | jaromil | can't resist the joke |
| 15:34.23 | antani | (:D) |
| 15:34.59 | jaromil | sure go ahead should be no problem but use our own debootstrap which is fixed |
| 15:35.05 | jaromil | the debootstrap in debian has bugs |
| 15:35.12 | jaromil | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668001 |
| 15:35.31 | jaromil | which were never fixed and which prevent you from using --exclude even if its in the documentation |
| 15:35.34 | figlfdev | made a puppy/refracta hybrid this morning |
| 15:35.46 | jaromil | (guess why) |
| 15:35.58 | figlfdev | my first remaster, all automated (still need to figure out what to do with vmlinuz and initrd) |
| 15:35.58 | Lydia_K | haha :D |
| 15:36.16 | figlfdev | if nothing else its good for a laugh |
| 15:37.03 | figlfdev | puppy is a labor of love for many fans, imo they should automate more (that way instead of waiting for someone to do it, they can just run a script on the latest devuan/etc) |
| 15:37.40 | jaromil | what happened to puppy after the systemd avalanche? survived, dead, assimilated or free? |
| 15:37.50 | figlfdev | oh its still s5d free |
| 15:37.54 | jaromil | cool |
| 15:37.56 | figlfdev | they have their own init |
| 15:38.14 | Akuli | s5d :D |
| 15:38.51 | Akuli | like internationalization or localization |
| 15:39.04 | antani | so where i can get the right debootstrap version? from the git? |
| 15:39.23 | Akuli | i believe its same as the debian one, but just used with a different repo |
| 15:39.48 | jaromil | yes git clone https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/debootstrap.git |
| 15:39.48 | figlfdev | jaromil: whenever someone asks whats taking devuan so long, i tell them "theyre not building a distro, theyre building a distro factory with a basic factory model." |
| 15:40.12 | jaromil | figlfdev: that's a very detailed answer :^) |
| 15:40.28 | jaromil | well in a few words |
| 15:40.28 | figlfdev | its true though |
| 15:40.44 | jaromil | will be even more clear once the SDK will be ready |
| 15:40.59 | figlfdev | if i make any sort of puppy or refracta based distro this year, it will be in the form of a script. for one, no real hosting... but also its an underrated idea |
| 15:41.20 | figlfdev | and i wont make a distro, but i might make a REALLY customized remaster script |
| 15:41.38 | figlfdev | doesnt want to be a distro maintainer |
| 15:43.19 | jaromil | yea i understand, being a martyr is out of fashion... :^D |
| 15:43.35 | figlfdev | well its different if you have that kind of experience-- and no one is already doing it |
| 15:43.55 | figlfdev | if not for devuan id just be complaining about hw support in bsd all day |
| 15:44.07 | figlfdev | respects bsd and all, but doesnt prefer it |
| 15:45.22 | jaromil | yea same, i need a/v drivers |
| 15:47.06 | figlfdev | btw, all you need to do to edit the isolinux boot screen for puppy is open it in mtpaint, edit, save as lss16 (and rename back to logo.16) |
| 15:47.34 | figlfdev | also mtpaint is very scriptable-- kind of priceless what you can do with it (ive used it for years, didnt know it had so many command line features) |
| 15:49.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin jaromil |
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| 16:16.08 | jaromil | ahoy |
| 16:28.06 | MinceR | j0h0h0 |
| 16:30.30 | golinux | jaromil: ML archive is doing weird things. I posted something to the ML |
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| 16:39.15 | jaromil | golinux: i saw but cannot understand what is the broken link your mentioned |
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| 17:01.19 | golinux | The url I posted is the one that I finally got to work for dng. For some reason the old one screwed up for some reason |
| 17:01.29 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html |
| 17:03.18 | golinux | Gremlins in the machine |
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| 17:48.53 | fsmithred | golinux, I use this link - https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html |
| 17:57.08 | golinux | fsmithred: I really, REALLY don't like that link. In fact I think I may have accidentally landed there to start all my confusion. |
| 17:57.48 | fsmithred | what don't you like about it? |
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| 18:21.03 | golinux | I want to see a list of all entries with the most recent at the top (or in this case, at the bottom) because I'm usually looking for a particular poster or post in chronological order |
| 18:21.26 | golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ |
| 18:30.31 | fsmithred | I forgot that I don't like that link for the same reason - I've gotten used to clicking on View Newest Messages |
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| 19:12.04 | jaromil | golinux: what was the old one????? |
| 19:12.09 | jaromil | gtg |
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| 19:16.33 | golinux | jaromil: The old one is this and now it seems to be working OK again |
| 19:16.40 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html |
| 19:16.52 | golinux | Probably user error. LOL! |
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| 20:07.56 | lkcl | hi folks i've managed to get devuan (armhf) up and running on an EOMA68-A20 which is available on the live crowd funding campaign http://crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop |
| 20:08.54 | lkcl | what's the best way to let people know about it? and, would anyone like to have a preinstalled option on the crowd funding page? |
| 20:09.37 | lkcl | i also need some suggestions for names... puns definitely wanted and welcome :) |
| 20:19.27 | flrn | lkcl: names? |
| 20:21.02 | Lydia_K | I think he means like raspbian being "raspberry pi debian" |
| 20:22.46 | MinceR | raspvuan |
| 20:22.53 | Akuli | :D |
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| 20:59.11 | lkcl | flrn: so something like... mmmm... devilish devuan computer card, that sort of thing :) |
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| 21:08.46 | lkcl | MinceR: bless you - do you need a handkerchief for that sneeze? :) |
| 21:10.02 | MinceR | :) |
| 21:10.30 | MinceR | Atchoo GNU/Linux |
| 21:11.09 | lkcl | haha |
| 21:11.58 | lkcl | MinceR: i'd love to see what happened if a vampire, werewolf or Warcraft Orc tried to pronounce that |
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| 21:12.41 | Akuli | devuan is becoming a popular distro |
| 21:12.54 | Akuli | this irc channel has many more users than #ubuntu-mate, for example |
| 21:13.08 | Akuli | it has 95 now |
| 21:15.21 | lkcl | Akuli: i was surprised that there isn't a devuan-users mailing list though. there's discuss, dng, announce.... |
| 21:15.46 | hellekin | lkcl: https://talk.devuan.org |
| 21:15.52 | lkcl | is sitting watching "apt-get install task-xfce-desktop chunder through 924 pacakges..." |
| 21:15.58 | lkcl | hellekin: ahhh |
| 21:17.00 | lkcl | hellekin: hmmm that's not listed on the front page https://devuan.org |
| 21:20.07 | golinux | lkcl: Of course it's listed on the homepage. Look again for"forum" |
| 21:20.22 | lkcl | golinux: ahh ok. doh! |
| 21:21.31 | golinux | Be aware that the devuan-iscuss ML links to the forum |
| 21:22.16 | lkcl | golinux: sorry, "forum" is something i associate with "ubuntu" - it makes me automatically switch off. |
| 21:22.22 | golinux | *devuan-discuss dng is strictly email |
| 21:22.34 | lkcl | golinux: oh good! ah that's great, that's really good. |
| 21:22.43 | lkcl | golinux: makes sense. |
| 21:23.06 | golinux | Whatever floats your boat |
| 21:24.34 | lkcl | golinux: it's good to see that there's a clear distinction, but a link between the two *where appropriate* (forums-lists that is) |
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| 21:25.16 | golinux | See you around! |
| 21:25.18 | lkcl | golinux: 30,000 ping-pong balls. definitely floats my boat. no really, look up the mythbusters episode! season 2 :) |
| 21:25.57 | golinux | doesn't know what mythbusters is |
| 21:26.18 | Akuli | its a great tv series |
| 21:26.21 | golinux | and is not going to watch a video to find out. ;) |
| 21:26.25 | lkcl | golinux: ahh you been missing out maan. |
| 21:26.31 | Akuli | :) |
| 21:26.50 | golinux | Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 21:26.51 | lkcl | haha no don't do it - i watched one and as a result ended up downloading all 750 episodes |
| 21:26.56 | lkcl | don't do it! |
| 21:26.59 | Akuli | :D |
| 21:27.18 | Akuli | its like gaming |
| 21:27.24 | Akuli | some end up doing it too much, some don't |
| 21:28.04 | golinux | Maybe this is getting more suitable for #debianfork? |
| 21:28.07 | stevelitt | hellekin, regarding https://talk.devuan.org: Not a fan. Content scattered all over the place. Line height so short lines collide. Reading takes a lot of effort. A lot of the posts are almost a year old. I don't see the point. |
| 21:29.58 | golinux | Me either but it's not my call. |
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| 21:30.26 | golinux | Different strokes, I guess |
| 21:32.56 | stevelitt | golinux, I'm on about 20 mailing lists, keeping up to date. Can you imagine if I had to log into 20 forums, put my password, navigate, and then figure out how to sort them? That's all I'd do all day. |
| 21:35.43 | golinux | The few forums I frequent I auto login to unread posts |
| 21:37.00 | golinux | You can kind of do that on discourse but still too many clicks and not enough information on the unread post list |
| 21:42.22 | flrn | and if the forum goes down all info is lost |
| 21:43.59 | golinux | The whole point is to morph the informative posts into a wiki |
| 21:44.29 | golinux | I don't think it's working all that well. |
| 21:46.40 | TwistedFate | For some reason I can't get used to mailing lists. They seem cluttered to me for some reason. I may be used to forums tho.. |
| 21:48.07 | lkcl | TwistedFate: i use gmane for exactly that reason. |
| 21:48.31 | lkcl | TwistedFate: you can even post messages through gmane (including respecting mailing list thread headers/rules) |
| 21:48.38 | lkcl | TwistedFate: which is really important |
| 21:53.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem with ML are the forks in threads which make reading stuff a nightmare. With fora you need to poll all the time, which is an unsustainable PITA, even when you subscribe to interesting threads per mail notification - you'll still miss the new threads |
| 21:54.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | forum usually allows editing posts, which is obviously not possible at all for ML |
| 21:54.34 | TwistedFate | lkcl, hmm gmane.org doesnt open for me, i will have to take a look some other time. thanks for the mention |
| 21:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | for tdo, I also have fuzzy aversion against it, more than with most other fora I've seen so far, dunno why |
| 21:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly too much JD eyecandy and stuff |
| 21:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | JS* |
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| 22:01.21 | debdog | whether a forum is good or bad highly depends on its search function. |
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