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| 00:14.22 | _stephen | Can anyone help me troubleshoot a wireless nic issue on my CB5-311 (acer chromebook tegra k1)? |
| 00:15.03 | _stephen | I managed to get devuan on it and booting but the nic claims it can't do things like scanning or... well anything. |
| 00:21.43 | _stephen | The modules are loaded (I copied the lib dir from chrome os) but I can't figure out how to get the card to scan or connect. |
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| 00:50.14 | Vall | sync |
| 00:50.19 | Vall | oops |
| 00:50.22 | Vall | wrong window ;-) |
| 00:50.53 | fsmithred | Vall, there should be apt-get commands to clean the cache, but I don't use them. Check the man page. |
| 00:51.17 | Vall | fsmithred: I checked it already, to no avail. |
| 00:51.33 | fsmithred | then apt-cache, maybe |
| 00:51.39 | Vall | ditto |
| 00:52.18 | fsmithred | apt-get clean |
| 00:52.22 | Vall | But relax, "aptitude clean" is doing good |
| 00:52.49 | Vall | after all, what's 11MB more or less in a system already topping 1GB of disk space used? |
| 00:53.15 | Vall | sighs and earns for the good old Unix times when a 80MB harddisk was practically infinite |
| 00:53.24 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:57.05 | Vall | I used a PDP11/70 running Unix version 7. It had a 60MB hard-disk and it served the whole university. Some hundreds of accounts... |
| 00:57.14 | Vall | That was in 1984... |
| 00:57.16 | fsmithred | _stephen, what's your wireless nic? run lscpi to find out |
| 00:57.36 | Vall | 32 years ago to be exact. |
| 00:57.58 | Vall | is getting too old for this |
| 00:57.59 | Vall | :-) |
| 00:58.28 | fsmithred | I first ran linux on a 166MHz pentium with 128M ram. |
| 00:59.14 | fsmithred | it didn't handle gnome very well. |
| 01:00.12 | Vall | LOL |
| 01:00.23 | Vall | It was GNOME that didn't handle your machine very well |
| 01:00.38 | Vall | the PDP11/70 was equivalent of a 286 with 1MB RAM |
| 01:00.55 | Vall | A Pentium was more like a very well configured VAX |
| 01:01.05 | Vall | which was a dream machine for running Unix |
| 01:01.23 | Vall | It's the same old joke: what is the different between a mouse and an elephant? |
| 01:01.39 | Vall | Answer: a graphical user interface |
| 01:01.42 | Vall | :-P |
| 01:04.18 | _stephen | fsmithred: no lspci command but it's a marvel wifi 8897 |
| 01:05.11 | Vall | fsmithred: 'apt-get clean' worked, thanks! |
| 01:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | vagrant box with devuan-beta_amd64 and native built KiCAD (no X11 yet): http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/vagrantboxes/1/ (ETA now+6h for the package.box) - the build been done on a "synced / shared dir" on host which is mounted to /home/compile/kicad. user compile has password kicad, user root has devuan as usual |
| 01:15.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2.7GB size |
| 01:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, KiCAD needs some 3GB of packages preinstalled to satisfy build dependencies, plus then another maybe5GB for the build itself |
| 01:17.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the Vagrantfile might be interesting anyway |
| 01:17.26 | _stephen | as far as I can tell (via dmesg on both) devuan and chromeos have loaded the exact same modules for wifi, but iwconfig says mlan0 has no wireless extensions |
| 01:20.17 | fsmithred | the modules have to match the kernel |
| 01:20.30 | Vall | Does Devuan have the equivalent of Debian's contrib repo? |
| 01:20.54 | Vall | er, I mean "contrib archive area"? |
| 01:21.13 | fsmithred | vall, yes |
| 01:21.38 | Vall | How do I enable it in apt? got a look around /etc/apt but can't find any clue |
| 01:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote that vagrant/Vbox VM has guest extensions installed, something that's woefully missing in genuine devuan vagrant box |
| 01:23.00 | fsmithred | add to the deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:23.11 | fsmithred | after "main" |
| 01:23.32 | fsmithred | contrib (and optionally, add non-free) |
| 01:24.18 | fsmithred | _stephen, maybe install firmware-libertas which is for Marevll Libertas 8xxx wireless cards |
| 01:25.49 | Vall | thanks fsmithred |
| 01:25.56 | fsmithred | yw |
| 01:26.11 | Vall | DocScrutinizer05: I installed the virtualbox guest additions by myself |
| 01:26.41 | Vall | just add the linux-headers package, then mount the VBox CDROM and run the install script |
| 01:26.50 | Vall | working great here. |
| 01:27.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((add to the deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list)) /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? |
| 01:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vall: obviously I did same |
| 01:28.33 | Vall | DocScrutinizer05: so what is the issue? |
| 01:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | what issue? |
| 01:29.04 | Vall | ' woefully missing in genuine devuan vagrant box ' |
| 01:29.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
| 01:29.21 | Vall | never mind :-P |
| 01:30.15 | Vall | Anyway, so far Devuan has been working fine here in a VM. I plan on making an OpenVZ template for it and install it in my OpenVZ server, probably tomorrow |
| 01:30.24 | Vall | Kudos to everyone for a job well done. |
| 01:31.07 | Vall | So, what's holding Devuan in beta? any roadmap to moving it out of Beta? |
| 01:31.45 | fsmithred | rumors of a september release candidate |
| 01:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's start with "all install 'CD' images are basically a netinstall" |
| 01:32.17 | Vall | fsmithred: that would be great |
| 01:32.33 | fsmithred | and what doc said is probably the main issue |
| 01:32.49 | Vall | an "officially" production-ready, non-systemd, mainstream linux |
| 01:32.52 | fsmithred | once you get it installed, it works well |
| 01:33.10 | Vall | I don't remember any issues here with the install |
| 01:33.30 | fsmithred | you didn't try it without a network connection |
| 01:33.34 | Vall | just booted from the ISO in my VM and it installed everything, including graphical desktop (XFCE?) |
| 01:33.45 | Vall | fsmithred: correct. |
| 01:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might not realize it until you try to install on a machine w/o connectivity |
| 01:34.16 | Vall | but now I made a tarfile of the complete install, and I can install it anywhere with or without network connection |
| 01:34.27 | fsmithred | cool |
| 01:34.31 | Vall | (alas, I always do that with all linux systems I bring up) |
| 01:35.04 | fsmithred | makes sense to save it, once you go to the trouble of configuring it. |
| 01:35.07 | Vall | I'm really looking forward to moving from RH clones to Devuan |
| 01:35.31 | Vall | yeah, and the tarfile works as a kind of "template" for any other machine I bring up |
| 01:35.43 | Vall | been doing it that way for some decades now :-) |
| 01:36.22 | Vall | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 folks |
| 01:36.49 | _stephen | fsmithread: unable to locate package... |
| 01:36.50 | Vall | neight, Doc ;-) |
| 01:37.14 | fsmithred | _stephen, you may need to enable contrib or non-free repos |
| 01:37.23 | fsmithred | are you using synaptic or command line? |
| 01:37.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't forget apt-get update ;-) |
| 01:37.35 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 01:37.43 | _stephen | no gui, so I'm using command line |
| 01:38.09 | _stephen | updating... |
| 01:38.26 | fsmithred | do what I just told Vall - edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add the words, contrib non-free, to the deb line, after 'main' |
| 01:38.30 | fsmithred | then apt-get update |
| 01:38.32 | _stephen | installing |
| 01:38.35 | fsmithred | oh |
| 01:38.38 | fsmithred | ok |
| 01:39.04 | _stephen | rebooting back into devuan... |
| 01:39.15 | fsmithred | rebooting? |
| 01:39.27 | _stephen | I have to boot up chrome os and chroot into devuan to use the network |
| 01:39.49 | fsmithred | yeah, ok, that makes sense. |
| 01:41.13 | _stephen | Looks like the package over-wrote a bunch of the modules that I had copied over from chromeos, so hypothetically it should have loaded these new ones... |
| 01:42.32 | _stephen | In dmesg I see mwifiex_sdio: FW already running! Skip FW dnld |
| 01:42.42 | _stephen | and WLAN FW is active... and all the same details as before. |
| 01:42.54 | _stephen | suppose I have to cold boot to get it to reload the firmware? |
| 01:43.45 | Vall | Ok, folks, good night everyone, and thanks for the help, specially fsmithred |
| 01:44.07 | _stephen | same messages from a cold boot |
| 01:44.11 | Vall | hope tomorrow I have an OpenVZ template for Devuan 1.0.0 Jessie beta amd64 to contribute |
| 01:44.13 | Vall | waves |
| 01:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: wouldn't it be smarter to create a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ instead of adding stuff to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:47.42 | fsmithred | contrib and non-free? |
| 01:48.12 | fsmithred | I suppose you could put them in a separate file. What's the advantage? |
| 01:49.22 | fsmithred | _stephen, you could 'rmmod <module>' and then modprobe it again, but it should be the new one after a reboot. |
| 01:49.34 | _stephen | It doesnt' remove cleanly. |
| 01:49.34 | fsmithred | or modprobe -r to remove |
| 01:49.58 | _stephen | get a trace after trying to rmmod mwifiex_sdio |
| 01:50.07 | _stephen | Then other stuff stops worknig |
| 01:50.27 | fsmithred | get rid of the stuff you copied from chrome |
| 01:50.54 | fsmithred | did you copy a whole directory that has the kernel version in the dir name? |
| 01:50.59 | _stephen | Yeah |
| 01:51.04 | _stephen | It's the same kernel |
| 01:51.12 | fsmithred | oh |
| 01:51.51 | _stephen | Some back story: I downlaoded the devuan image for armhf (had acer in the name) and extracted it from the xz file |
| 01:52.02 | _stephen | Then I had to dd the rootfs from that image |
| 01:52.29 | _stephen | I used vbutil to take the same kernel that chrome was booting and put that on a new partition and set the command-line so it would know where to look for the root filesystem. |
| 01:52.44 | _stephen | The system came up just fine, but no wifi... |
| 01:53.18 | _stephen | So then I used dd to copy the kernel out of the devuan image over top of the previous kernel, and the system booted up just fine, but still no wifi. |
| 01:55.08 | fsmithred | ok, I'm lost. Anyway, what are you using to determine if the wifi is working? |
| 01:55.24 | fsmithred | iwlist? network manager? |
| 01:55.34 | _stephen | A few things, I check the output of iwconfig to see if it claims to support wireless extensions |
| 01:55.41 | _stephen | That fails, says it doesn't, so I ifconfig up the device. |
| 01:55.49 | _stephen | iwconfig still reports it doesn't support wireless extensions |
| 01:55.57 | _stephen | Then iwlist gets all kinds of pissed off at me. |
| 01:56.06 | _stephen | And then I try to use wpa_supplicant anyway... |
| 01:57.15 | fsmithred | no ethernet port? |
| 01:57.25 | _stephen | sadly, no |
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| 01:57.45 | _stephen | hence the reboot & chroot to install stuff |
| 01:59.23 | fsmithred | sorry, I don't know what to tell you. |
| 01:59.38 | _stephen | eh, you gave me some stuff to try at least |
| 02:00.21 | _stephen | Other than the network, everything seems to work |
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| 02:31.54 | furrywolf | grrrr. too many companies add you to their mailing list when you buy from them or contact them, and refuse to remove you. |
| 02:34.37 | furrywolf | in the last 24 hours, "Iron Edison July System Spotlight", "News about your AmEx card", "The next generation of strap-ons by RodeoH", "Allbattery's largest sitewide blowout", "Blowout harbor freight deals for your shop", etc, etc, etc... just because I bought something from you in the past, or contacted your tech support, doesn't mean I want to be on your mailing list! |
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| 06:47.36 | detha | hands furrywolf a spare domain. Next time a company wants an email address, use that-company@domain.com, add a catch-all into one mailbox, and block the senders you don't want to see. |
| 06:48.59 | jaromil | well, my life would be impossible without whitelisting |
| 06:49.57 | furrywolf | I do that for a lot of them... the problem comes when I reply from my actual mailbox, because iceweasel is too fucking stupid to let me use multiple outgoing addresses from one account. |
| 06:50.36 | jaromil | stephen is gone, however his problem may have been related to rfkill |
| 06:50.44 | jaromil | the pseudo-hw switch for wifi on/off |
| 06:51.06 | jaromil | fsmithred is also gone |
| 06:51.08 | jaromil | so well whatevs |
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| 06:51.45 | jaromil | furrywolf: now i think of it, also jaro-mail is T.F.stupid |
| 06:51.51 | furrywolf | s/iceweasel/icedove |
| 06:51.54 | detha | iceweasel will, as long as you go through the effort of account-preferences|manage-identities|add |
| 06:51.56 | jaromil | its a feature i wanted to add but don't have time yet |
| 06:52.10 | jaromil | however i suspect one could add mutt triggers |
| 06:52.37 | jaromil | i am not a graphical desktop user, sorry |
| 06:55.53 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
| 06:58.51 | jaromil | nite |
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| 13:48.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi folks, what's the "official default desktop manager" in devuan? XFCE? |
| 13:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | LXDE? |
| 13:49.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mate? |
| 13:50.02 | Leander256 | the default one at install time is xfce |
| 13:50.54 | KatolaZ | uh? in my case there was no DM installed in the default installation :) |
| 13:50.55 | Drugo | desktop environment, not manager |
| 13:51.05 | KatolaZ | and no DE, for that matter |
| 13:51.23 | Drugo | and display manager is slim |
| 13:51.46 | Leander256 | I checked something like "X packages" without selecting a particular DM/WM, and got xfce installed |
| 13:57.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Leander256: ta |
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| 14:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | tasksel: apt-get failed (100) |
| 14:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty unfortunate when the repo doesn't work |
| 14:08.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse when you don't know if it's the repo's fault at all |
| 14:14.36 | Leander256 | http://i.imgur.com/YEnZjYY.png <- at this particular screen, even if you don't check any DM/WM, as long as "Devuan desktop environment" is checked, you'll get XFCE |
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| 14:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry nevermind, I accidentally was in the obsolete 32bit-ALPHA VM |
| 14:34.52 | enyc | DocScrutinizer05: thinking about it, is apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade working too ?? |
| 14:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I should destroy that vagrant box right away |
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| 14:35.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | tasksel [x]Xfce works fine, downloading 628some packages now |
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| 16:35.16 | arca_vorago | Are there any similar projects to devuan for removing the init system that shall not be named? |
| 16:36.41 | fsmithred | arca_vorago, there are some devuan derivatives. I think they're listed on the devuan home page (devuan.org) |
| 16:37.32 | fsmithred | there's Trios, which is a debian deriv that uses open-rc |
| 16:37.41 | Lydia_K | arca_vorago: There are other distros which are not adopting systemd |
| 16:38.11 | fsmithred | pretty sure antix is sticking with sysvinit |
| 16:38.20 | fsmithred | dragora |
| 16:38.40 | fsmithred | probably some others I can't remember or don't know about |
| 16:38.43 | GeneralStupid | dont forget the BSD's |
| 16:38.58 | GeneralStupid | (operating systems without systemd...) |
| 16:39.15 | KatolaZ | arca_vorago: you will also find a list of distro w/o systemd here |
| 16:39.17 | KatolaZ | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 16:39.47 | fsmithred | brb need food |
| 16:40.41 | muep | are there others that are specifically "same as ${FOO} but without systemd"? |
| 16:41.38 | arca_vorago | Thank you all |
| 16:52.51 | KatolaZ | funtoo? |
| 16:53.40 | KatolaZ | Arch OpenRC |
| 16:54.57 | muep | my impression is that funtoo predates systemd by quite a lot |
| 16:55.25 | arca_vorago | Yep, he forked gentoo a long time ago |
| 16:55.50 | arca_vorago | Did systemd start inside redhat or did they just absorb it later? |
| 16:56.07 | Lydia_K | I believe it started inside redhat. |
| 16:56.15 | Lydia_K | but maybe someone knows for sure. |
| 16:56.16 | muep | my impression is that it started as a personal project of poettering and some other developers |
| 16:56.19 | arca_vorago | Which honestly makes me even more suspicious of it |
| 16:56.40 | Lydia_K | muep: And they were all working for redhat at the time I thought? |
| 16:57.03 | Lydia_K | Making it more of a rouge internal project/employee innovation |
| 16:57.50 | Lydia_K | Depending on how Redhat feels about that sort of thing. Some companies encourage you to run off and spend some of your time trying to innovate as long as it doesn't impact your regular duties |
| 16:58.15 | Lydia_K | some companies don't like that and only want you working on what you are assigned to work on, I don't know the internal redhat culture |
| 16:58.31 | muep | I'm not sure. RH may have hired him after they decided that they'd want to use systemd. I do not know where I could check when someone worked at some company |
| 16:58.55 | zdzichu | linkedin? |
| 16:59.01 | Lydia_K | bingo |
| 17:00.48 | Lydia_K | wikipedia says "Lennart Poettering and Kay Sievers started the project to develop systemd in 2010" |
| 17:00.58 | Lydia_K | with no mention about what he was working for redhat |
| 17:04.18 | Lydia_K | *SEEMS* like he was working there at the time: "As a senior software engineer at Red Hat, Poettering received some validation when Red Hat adopted systemd into Fedora in place of init" |
| 17:04.26 | zdzichu | https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/ZphXNvbNB8d |
| 17:04.40 | zdzichu | May 02, 2012 |
| 17:04.41 | Lydia_K | also, he did pulseaudio and avahi before that, and I'm *pretty sure* those were redhat projects |
| 17:04.48 | zdzichu | Five years and one day ago I joined Red Hat. |
| 17:05.08 | Lydia_K | in 2012 |
| 17:05.13 | Lydia_K | meaning before 2010 |
| 17:05.16 | Lydia_K | pure redhat |
| 17:05.24 | zdzichu | PA started in 2004 : https://lwn.net/Articles/185613/ |
| 17:05.35 | Lydia_K | Nice find zdzichu |
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| 17:05.55 | muep | I think he did work at least on libdaemon in the past |
| 17:06.12 | zdzichu | I've been in linux community for a long time |
| 17:06.20 | zdzichu | around 20 years |
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| 17:06.45 | Lydia_K | I'm at 15 I think? |
| 17:06.48 | Lydia_K | what year is it? |
| 17:06.53 | Lydia_K | who am I again? |
| 17:12.47 | fsmithred | did LP graduate high school before 2004? |
| 17:15.52 | Lydia_K | haha, I like "LP" cause it reminds me of "LSP" (Lumpy Space Princess) from Adventure Time who was like the most selfish and douchey character on the show. |
| 17:16.03 | Lydia_K | Please tell me his middle name starts with an S |
| 17:16.24 | zdzichu | fsmithred: according to wikipedia, he was 24 in 2004 |
| 17:16.24 | Lydia_K | Not to mention annoying |
| 17:17.16 | zdzichu | I think around that age you get your Master's Degree |
| 17:17.44 | zdzichu | in Germany, that is |
| 17:17.57 | Lydia_K | If he got one |
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| 17:22.29 | fsmithred | so he's 35 or 36? |
| 17:23.37 | fsmithred | some of the quotes I've read made me think he was 15 |
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| 17:32.15 | Lydia_K | Whoa, he's slightly older than me. |
| 17:33.39 | Lydia_K | And yeah, he acts like a 12 year old in many of the threads I've read. |
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| 18:01.39 | wesbl | i have crackling with pulseaudio if i make heavy tasks, anyone knows why? |
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| 18:05.04 | MinceR | because pulseaudio is garbage |
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| 18:12.19 | Drugo | is there some plan to replace wicd with something better? It is so slow to reconnect after suspension that makes devuan not very suitable for a laptop |
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| 18:15.22 | wesbl | Drugo: i use connman |
| 18:16.19 | wesbl | MinceR: i know :( , but it's the first time that i have crackling... |
| 18:17.40 | KatolaZ | Drugo: I just use wpa_supplicant and wpa_cli |
| 18:17.46 | KatolaZ | and reconnection is zero-lag |
| 18:17.57 | KatolaZ | I algo got pissed off with wicd |
| 18:18.01 | KatolaZ | ~also |
| 18:18.01 | infobot | cocks |
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| 18:18.45 | KatolaZ | there is also simple-netaid, developed by Edward Bartolo |
| 18:18.49 | KatolaZ | but I haven't tried it |
| 18:19.01 | KatolaZ | so I can't tell more |
| 18:19.09 | Drugo | wesbl, KatolaZ i'll look into those ones, thanks |
| 18:19.10 | fsmithred | I have, and it works, but I don't think I've tried it with suspend |
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| 18:19.36 | KatolaZ | Drugo: please consider that wpa_cli is mostly caveman-job |
| 18:19.47 | somerandomnick | I'm getting suspicious someone broke Mailman between 2.1.15 and 2.1.18, sometime in the past year I'm suddenly having trouble with a bunch of mailing lists using Mailman. |
| 18:20.01 | KatolaZ | but if you don't have 100s of connections, works very well |
| 18:21.18 | KatolaZ | somerandomnick: sounds unlikely, given the diffusion of Mailman... |
| 18:21.21 | somerandomnick | Seems someone who didn't know what they were doing didn't allow for many valid characters in e-mail addresses (notably '+' in the user portion). |
| 18:22.35 | somerandomnick | KatolaZ: You might think so, but almost simultaneously I'm having troubles with several mailing lists... |
| 18:24.56 | KatolaZ | somerandomnick: I am not saying it is impossible, only unlikely :) |
| 18:27.02 | somerandomnick | KatolaZ: Of note I've tried to subscribe to devuan-discuss both via e-mail and the web form, and neither has been successful (I'm also missing error messages, so I've got no idea what is going on). |
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| 18:29.57 | KatolaZ | somerandomnick: again, I believe you |
| 18:30.10 | KatolaZ | only, Mailman 2.1.18 wnt out more than two years ago |
| 18:30.52 | KatolaZ | so if there is such a problem |
| 18:31.08 | KatolaZ | it should be probably reported in the Mainlman bug reports |
| 18:33.30 | somerandomnick | Hmm, looks like https://bugs.debian.org/756323 may be related. |
| 18:35.16 | KatolaZ | somerandomnick: ? |
| 18:35.46 | KatolaZ | can't see how this is related to your problem, but maybe I have misunderstood your problem |
| 18:37.22 | somerandomnick | I'm guessing someone added something which attempted to check for valid e-mail addresses (likely on the theory of preventing Spam), but they had never met the RFCs and never bothered to realize how much variety in e-mail addresses there is. |
| 18:38.09 | KatolaZ | wait somerandomnick |
| 18:38.22 | somerandomnick | Not too many people are using tagged e-mail addresses, so it could take a while for someone to notice (and in such circumstances, many people say "well just use an untagged address instead, problem solved"). |
| 18:38.46 | KatolaZ | the bug you posted is about adding the original From: field in in Reply-To: |
| 18:39.22 | somerandomnick | Yeah, forget about that it may or may not be related. |
| 18:39.34 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 18:39.38 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 18:43.25 | KatolaZ | somerandomnick: this might be somehow connected, instead: |
| 18:43.28 | KatolaZ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/265785 |
| 18:43.43 | KatolaZ | but it seems that the but has been lying there for the best part of the last 14 years :) |
| 18:48.21 | somerandomnick | Possibly small relation, this only showed up recently though. |
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