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| 01:33.34 | furrywolf | DocScrutinizer51: heh, I actually worked slightly on a design for something like that once, when a friend was working on something similar... no actual building, just idea-ing. |
| 01:34.59 | furrywolf | I have a much more energy-efficient design than theirs. :) |
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| 01:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | building kicad in a devuan vagrant box |
| 01:53.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | now how would I tell vagrant to start the VM with a X window attached? |
| 01:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (leaving out the problem that I'd need to install and start X in devuan |
| 02:00.03 | furrywolf | I need a couple good cad programs. |
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| 02:09.47 | Quetzalcoatl | Nx unigraphics, just pay the price tag :) |
| 02:21.24 | Quetzalcoatl | Open source or GPL compliant I think there was none at par yet. |
| 02:24.29 | furrywolf | I haven't found anything that can do even basic cad/cam operations yet... I could mill a pocket with hand-written g-code faster than I can debug any of the programs that claim to be able to do it. |
| 02:28.45 | furrywolf | heekscad/cam is the only one that managed to generate anything approximating g-code, and it was shit in every way. |
| 02:29.17 | furrywolf | pycam simply doesn't function. inkscape's cam plugin can only do contours, not pockets... and is too buggy to actually produce g-code. |
| 02:32.37 | furrywolf | pycam... let's take THREE DAYS at 100% cpu to output impossible, broken g-code! |
| 02:59.44 | Quetzalcoatl | Three days! Should take a few seconds, maybe a few minutes for a super complex design.. |
| 03:00.25 | furrywolf | yes. yes it should. |
| 03:01.49 | furrywolf | heekscnc is the only one I've managed to get seemingly functional (I haven't ran any of it on an actual machine) g-code from. |
| 03:02.17 | furrywolf | and it's limited to basic single-depth pocket operations with a limited set of cutters. |
| 03:17.44 | Quetzalcoatl | You should leave it. When something really doesn't work, it doesn't. |
| 03:18.12 | Quetzalcoatl | Start an open source cad/cam project instead :) |
| 03:29.54 | furrywolf | I started once, but decided I didn't have the time. |
| 03:30.00 | furrywolf | I got it to the point where it could load a mesh model and represent it in its internal format, mostly. |
| 03:30.30 | furrywolf | I used a giant octree to store everything, using only one word per voxel. |
| 03:31.10 | furrywolf | on a 32-bit aligned system the last two bits on pointers are always zero, so I could use them to store other information. :) |
| 03:34.24 | furrywolf | my plan was to use this structure to accurately store the current shape of the workpiece, allowing the results of cutting operations to be modeled. |
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| 03:36.11 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/bunnytest01.png one of the early test images... first random boxes, then random lines, then loading the stanford bunny without filling the wireframe, at intentionally low resolution so you could see the individual voxels. |
| 03:39.24 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/dragontest04.png a slightly later, much higher resolution test. I never finished the code to actually fill the wireframes... |
| 03:44.06 | furrywolf | did you know that figuring out if you're inside a model or not is a lot harder than it sounds? :) |
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| 04:10.03 | Quetzalcoatl | Yes it is. That's when the math comes in. Good night! |
| 04:16.06 | furrywolf | cyas |
| 04:16.14 | furrywolf | it's not just math, it's also guessing. because 9/10ths of the time it's hard because the model isn't perfect. |
| 04:25.44 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime too |
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| 06:12.59 | telst4r | woohoo security updates are baaaack :D |
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| 06:56.01 | detha | To whoever that fixed it, Thank you |
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| 07:29.10 | buZz | D |
| 07:29.12 | buZz | :D |
| 07:29.15 | buZz | yay |
| 07:58.56 | telst4r | goodbye iceweasel/firefox, hello abrowser & icecat. |
| 08:12.29 | DusXMT | telst4r: I wonder, what're some of the strengths of abrowser that yousee? |
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| 08:13.23 | DusXMT | (I know that icecat is just another firefox rebrand, with some features removed and default plugins added) |
| 08:13.43 | buZz | same @ abrowser |
| 08:13.53 | buZz | > Abrowser is Trisquel's version of Mozilla's popular web browser with the trademarked logos replaced |
| 08:13.59 | buZz | 'yay' |
| 08:14.54 | DusXMT | But hey, with the trademarks removed, once can publish patches with no fear of mozilla wanting to strike you down |
| 08:15.04 | DusXMT | s/you/them/ |
| 08:15.48 | buZz | i'd prefer to see forks for patches, instead for forks for logos |
| 08:16.17 | telst4r | I have no "rationale" for this, it's just a personal preference. Non-trademarked thing and it doesn't feed me cisco's h264 |
| 08:16.19 | DusXMT | Indeed. I just use seamonkey, fixes my complaints with firefox, and is not just a logo change |
| 08:16.57 | buZz | telst4r: but cisco's h264 is BSD licensed, fully open |
| 08:18.50 | DusXMT | I remember when I once tried icecat and it came with this "LibreJS" thing, a poorman's version of noscript that tried to block non-free JS... unlike noscript, it made the browser incredibly slow, had to disable it after just a couple hours of usge |
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| 08:19.56 | buZz | i abandoned netscape's efforts back around navigator 3.0 |
| 08:20.01 | buZz | didnt like their route, still dont |
| 08:20.20 | telst4r | Yes, LibreJS is quite sluggish. |
| 08:22.16 | DusXMT | buZz: That's okay, but one can't deny that a stable and mature UI, combined with a mature web engine (Gecko) makes for a nice browser, and the built-in email client is convenient, since I at least always have my web browser turned on, and with the client, I instantly get email as well |
| 08:22.26 | telst4r | it doesn't really try to be NoScript though, but tries to recognize free/non-free javashit. That part i can see the rationale |
| 08:22.28 | buZz | yeah webkit is lovely |
| 08:22.41 | buZz | :) |
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| 10:40.40 | sfsgfgsergtw4e5 | hello, newbie here, where can i take my question concerning my problems with installing devuan-beta on my pc? thx |
| 10:41.18 | enyc | sfsgfgsergtw4e5: its possible, but you need to ask the acutal question clearly, rather than asking to sak |
| 10:45.42 | sfsgfgsergtw4e5 | k, i get an error during install, console says ''base installer: error: exiting on error bse-installer/no codename . warning**: configuring 'bootstrap-base' failed error code 1'' |
| 10:46.03 | sfsgfgsergtw4e5 | i'm installing offline, from the devuan-beta dvd. |
| 10:48.20 | enyc | ok i've only created chroots rather than using dvd images |
| 10:48.35 | enyc | but as you've now left an actual question above, stay logged in and see what answers you get through the day |
| 10:52.18 | hellekin | sfsgfgsergtw4e5: never tried the DVD but there are known errors with this specific DVD installer. It's looking for external packages instead of using the ones on the DVD. |
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| 11:16.10 | hellekin | sfsgfgsergtw4e5: I have no experience with this installer, just heard that it fails like this. |
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| 12:24.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe interesting for some: http://paste.opensuse.org/41989647 |
| 12:24.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | pumped up RAM to 2GB, enabled X11 |
| 12:24.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | err enabled graca head |
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| 12:46.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find the devuan webpage with vagrant instructions anymore, no link form frontpage seems to point there :-/ |
| 12:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I _suspect_ the new parameter in Vagrantfile shall be https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_vagrant.box |
| 12:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | right? |
| 12:49.34 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-vagrant |
| 12:49.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 12:49.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | could we get a link from landing page to there? |
| 12:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAH! red screen |
| 12:50.36 | hellekin | ?? |
| 12:51.30 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: https://devuan.org/os/install |
| 12:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the damn hit progress bar |
| 12:51.50 | hellekin | even https://devuan.org/os/install#vagrant |
| 12:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that looks better than >>vagrant init jaromil/devuan-alpha-i386<< in https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-vagrant |
| 12:54.37 | golinux | hellekin: o/ |
| 12:54.49 | golinux | msg |
| 12:56.10 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: the install instructions are scattered and not very well done :| |
| 12:56.26 | hellekin | would be nice to fix that. |
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| 12:57.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/qc4y |
| 12:57.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no dice |
| 12:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://vagrant.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta_amd64.box 404 |
| 12:59.14 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_vagrant.box |
| 12:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | what I said :-D |
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| 13:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/vagrant-test/kicad-devuan-amd64> vagrant up |
| 13:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | Bringing machine 'default' up with 'virtualbox' provider... |
| 13:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ==> default: Box 'https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_vagrant.box' could not be found. Attempting to find and install... |
| 13:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ==> default: Box file was not detected as metadata. Adding it directly... |
| 13:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ==> default: Adding box 'https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_vagrant.box' (v0) for provider: virtualbox |
| 13:03.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry |
| 13:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meant to post a URL of zermbin |
| 13:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpph, I should use my file mirror |
| 13:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | files.devuan.org sucks, bandwidth wise |
| 13:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors |
| 13:07.26 | infobot | from memory, mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://devuan.selea.se/ http & ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/ http://devuan.c3l.lu/ http://neo900.files.dev-1.org, or see https://www.devuan.org/ |
| 13:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.07 | user308388 | hey guys, great project! as a noob user i noticed /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon in my htop today |
| 13:15.31 | user308388 | any ideas about this? a ha.. |
| 13:20.00 | DusXMT | user308388: udev is a systemd project; it will eventually be replaced by vdev |
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| 13:22.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | also udev sucks |
| 13:22.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:24.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw makes me wonder if they already updated the usb.ids now, or if sf.net still down |
| 13:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Date: 2016-07-12 20:34:05 https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/usb.ids - at least something |
| 13:25.57 | hellekin | vdev or eudev (from gentoo) |
| 13:26.08 | hellekin | eudev already works, vdev is in development |
| 13:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids Connection to Server Closed Unexpectedly |
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| 13:32.23 | DusXMT | hellekin: From what I understand, eudev is just a repackaged udev that Gentoo, so in case changes were made to it where it wouldn't work properly on systemd-less systems, they would be prepared to deal with it |
| 13:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/07/13/plasma-desktopdY2277.png \o/ |
| 13:32.35 | DusXMT | (at least that's what I was told at #gentoo) |
| 13:33.13 | DusXMT | s/that/by/ |
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| 13:36.22 | user308388 | ok thanks DusXMT ! |
| 13:36.42 | DusXMT | np |
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| 13:54.12 | flrn | Hi parazyd (or anybody who's into Devaun's arm port) |
| 13:54.57 | flrn | I am trying to figure out a (scriptable) way to keep kernel , modules and bootloader up to date, without having to flash a whole new image |
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| 13:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | anybody fluent with vagrant/virtualbox around to help me out? I want to configure the VM display to be native screen resolution (1960*1024) and grant the VM 4 CPU cores, how to say that in lingua Vagrantfile? |
| 13:56.46 | flrn | ATM I see two possibilities: wait for a new image to be released and get the relevant files from there |
| 13:57.11 | flrn | or create an image using the arm-sdk |
| 13:57.58 | flrn | here it would be great to have an option to build only the relevant files...?! |
| 13:58.42 | KatolaZ | flrn: you have to cross-compile a new kernel... |
| 13:58.58 | KatolaZ | but apart from that, it might be feasible |
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| 14:01.05 | flrn | KatolaZ: I'd like to have a possibility to update uboot as well... |
| 14:01.43 | flrn | which looks a lot like using the arm-sdk |
| 14:01.52 | flrn | ??! |
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| 14:02.35 | flrn | I don't know much about the devicetree-stuff and its overlays |
| 14:03.00 | flrn | but I guess, from time to time, they change too |
| 14:04.57 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 14:05.41 | KatolaZ | in theory, you might be able to updateonly the kernel and uboot, IMHO |
| 14:11.20 | flrn | I think of something like Raspbian's rpi-update script for Devuan: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update |
| 14:11.48 | flrn | but this would require "the firmware" to be downloadable |
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| 14:59.55 | furrywolf | everyone is still talking about pokemon. sigh. |
| 14:59.57 | furrywolf | hates people |
| 15:00.34 | flrn | furrywolf: get a computer B) |
| 15:00.57 | furrywolf | ? |
| 15:02.05 | flrn | was looking up "pokemon" at wikipedia yesterday |
| 15:02.26 | flrn | after it having been being mentioned here |
| 15:02.37 | furrywolf | in this case, phones have a lot more relevance than computers. |
| 15:04.07 | flrn | yeah, i got that :) |
| 15:05.12 | flrn | but IIUC, you might run into people when hunting these pokemons... |
| 15:06.40 | furrywolf | IIUC? |
| 15:06.51 | flrn | wears carefully crafted blinkers |
| 15:07.16 | KatolaZ | flrn: in theory, the firmware blob is available from the rpi github repo |
| 15:08.24 | DusXMT | furrywolf: kinda makes me feel like getting back to geocaching again |
| 15:08.59 | DusXMT | for me it's more appealing to go searching for real tokens than just virtual ones... |
| 15:09.24 | furrywolf | and ones in actually interesting places, not selected retail establishments... |
| 15:09.50 | flrn | KatolaZ: yeah, that's why I wrote "the firmware" in quotes: it's more than the blob what apt can't handle |
| 15:10.07 | flrn | can't? |
| 15:10.18 | flrn | at least as long /boot remains unmounted by default |
| 15:11.27 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 15:18.43 | flrn | still trying to understand what the /necessarily/ SoC specific parts of the ARM port are... |
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| 15:22.59 | KatolaZ | flrn: are you talkink specifically of rpi? |
| 15:23.03 | KatolaZ | ~talking |
| 15:24.32 | flrn | well I own and use two of them, but if I'd start writing an updater, I'd like to have it as system independent as possible |
| 15:29.20 | DusXMT | the raspi needs patches that weren't accepted in upstream Linux, from what I recall |
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| 15:29.26 | DusXMT | (in the knernel) |
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| 15:30.24 | flrn | the arm-sdk implements those (I guess...) if called with target raspi |
| 15:30.42 | flrn | as well as other patches for other Socs?! |
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| 15:32.18 | flrn | So I wonder if it would be a good idea to add an option to the arm-sdk that only builds these "firmware" files |
| 15:32.38 | flrn | which is IIUC the content of /boot plus the kernel modules |
| 15:33.10 | flrn | at least for the raspberry pi |
| 15:34.32 | muep | my impression is that mainline kernel is at least quite close to being able to run on the rpi. but I guess it would not support all the things that the usualy rpi-specific special kernels support |
| 15:38.38 | furrywolf | sounds like something kernel modules should handle, unless it's something needed to get to that point. |
| 15:39.39 | muep | I am not sure if the extra hardware support is available as standalone kernel modules |
| 15:40.07 | muep | there is likely some reason for it being not yet in mainline |
| 15:40.46 | muep | but given how the rpi kernel is quite frequently rebased on new mainline releases, I'd expect more support to eventually graduate to mainline |
| 15:42.47 | furrywolf | hrmmmm.... can we turn Andrew Morton's systemd kernel patch into a module, and load it by default in devuan? :) |
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| 22:00.24 | |cos| | sxpert: i found your question on pxe-booting issues in the irc archive a month back. |
| 22:00.57 | |cos| | sxpert: i.e. vmlinuz + initrd only seems to support cdrom |
| 22:01.17 | |cos| | sxpert: did you get pxe booting working eventually? |
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| 22:16.51 | Vall | Howdy everyone. Trying to make a minimum Devuan install here. |
| 22:17.00 | Vall | How do I clean /var/cache/apt? |
| 22:17.19 | Vall | (ie, the equivalent of "yum clean all" on RH systems) |
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| 22:33.39 | Vall | How do I clean /var/cache/apt? (ie, the equivalent of "yum clean all" on RH systems) |
| 22:57.24 | fsmithred | 'aptitude autoclean' will remove obsolete packages, and 'aptitude clean' will empty the package cache. |
| 22:57.33 | fsmithred | Vall, ^^^ |
| 22:57.45 | Vall | thanks fsmithred |
| 22:58.04 | fsmithred | I think I got that right. |
| 22:58.09 | Vall | So I should run both, right? |
| 22:58.19 | fsmithred | no, the second one will do them all |
| 22:58.23 | Vall | OK. |
| 22:58.41 | fsmithred | I like to keep old packages around, especially on any systems running testing/unstable |
| 22:58.51 | fsmithred | in case I need to revert because of breakage |
| 22:58.57 | Vall | I'm preparing a minimum install of Devuan here, which I hope to use as the basis for a OpenVZ template |
| 22:59.07 | fsmithred | clean |
| 22:59.23 | fsmithred | take no prisoners |
| 22:59.48 | Vall | sigh |
| 23:00.08 | Vall | aptitude needs 10.7MB of disk space just for itself & friends |
| 23:00.46 | Vall | I can still remember the time when I ran Minix from two 360KB floppies... and that for a complete system, with networking, editor, compiler, etc. |
| 23:04.19 | Vall | Seems I can't make an installation using less than ~1.1GB of disk space. |
| 23:04.22 | Vall | Is that correct? |
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| 23:32.11 | Vall | I'm getting this error on dmesg/syslog here: |
| 23:32.24 | Vall | Jul 13 19:29:52 template kernel: [ 1666.079570] atkbd serio0: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly. |
| 23:32.41 | Vall | Seems harmless, but is there a way to get rid of it? |
| 23:33.18 | Vall | BTW, I'm running Devuan inside a Virtualbox VM (with vboxadd installed, compiled and running). |
| 23:46.10 | Centurion_Dan | Vall: that's the AT keyboard. I suspect that your vbox setup doesn't properly support it. |
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