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| 10:05.14 | mr_ws | oh my, this channel has gotten bigger than i remembered it |
| 10:05.22 | mr_ws | so glad devuan is growing <3 |
| 10:05.26 | jaromil | the git repos too ;^) |
| 10:05.48 | mr_ws | i can't tell if that :^) is a shitposting face or if you're using it unironically |
| 10:06.00 | jaromil | oh no is unironical |
| 10:06.04 | jaromil | i'm serious ahaha |
| 10:06.18 | mr_ws | it's spreading :o |
| 10:06.43 | mr_ws | but yeah, awesome that it's grown so well |
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| 10:38.13 | armin | still i guess the thing is more that debian is just shrinking, for obvious reasons, but yeah, seeing devuan grow is good. |
| 10:38.50 | armin | i wish i had more time to work on translations... |
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| 11:55.10 | hellekin | uff... I start seeing a paternalist/colonialist pattern in the default response of some Gitlab engineers to issues touching sysadmin control over the software. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/15635 |
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| 12:19.08 | golinux | hellekin: Nice taking gitlab to task like that. |
| 12:19.46 | djph | 'mornin (UGT) all |
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| 14:16.36 | hellekin | can someone explain this response to me? I'm pretty fluent in English, but this one escapes me entirely. https://talk.devuan.org/t/devuan-1-0-jessie-first-impressions/46/76?u=hellekin |
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| 14:29.03 | fsmithred | hellekin, are you talking about the "sorry I spoke..." part? |
| 14:33.01 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 14:34.50 | furrywolf | for some reason that page took firefox an ungodly long time to render. |
| 14:35.15 | furrywolf | what part of that thread are you asking about? |
| 14:35.35 | DusXMT | JS-based formatting :) (try disabling JS, and you'll see how different it looks) |
| 14:35.49 | hellekin | fsmithred: yes. Weird huh? |
| 14:35.56 | furrywolf | also, that page renders like fuck, and seems to keep trying to load more parts of it. it also completely breaks scrolling. |
| 14:38.09 | furrywolf | I'm guessing he means something along the lines of "sorry for posting without first checking to see if it was an already known issue". |
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| 14:40.02 | furrywolf | also, that page is STILL fucking loading. That may be the worst forum software ever. |
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| 14:42.38 | hellekin | furrywolf: what browser are you using? |
| 14:43.09 | furrywolf | firefox |
| 14:43.21 | furrywolf | and, yes, it does look much different without javascript... it also doesn't work. |
| 14:43.53 | furrywolf | although now pages load in half a second instead of several minutes! |
| 14:44.41 | hellekin | furrywolf: BTW the sofware is upgrading so that might be the resaon |
| 14:44.45 | fsmithred | I got disconnected. hellekin, did you get an answer to your question? |
| 14:45.13 | hellekin | fsmithred: from you :) |
| 14:45.28 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 14:45.44 | fsmithred | I didn't understand that statement, either. |
| 14:45.52 | hellekin | ok, that makes two of us :) |
| 14:45.58 | golinux | ESL writer? |
| 14:46.12 | golinux | I didn't either |
| 14:46.12 | fsmithred | put a semi-colon after "spoke" helps. |
| 14:46.22 | furrywolf | is it going to upgrade itself to something that's a complete rewrite that's absolutely nothing like its former self? because I'm fairly sure all the problems are major design issues. |
| 14:46.28 | fsmithred | but it's still not clear what "that" refers to. |
| 14:47.12 | furrywolf | my interpretating is he's apologizing for posting without first checking if the things he's posting about are known issues. whether he means the known issue you posted, or the other half of his post, I'm not sure... |
| 14:47.25 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 14:47.43 | fsmithred | hey, am I allowed to vent here, if it's computer related? |
| 14:47.51 | fsmithred | and maybe even devuan related |
| 14:48.03 | furrywolf | what do you expect from a poster who uses the term "folder"? :) |
| 14:48.21 | FlibberTGibbet | only if you're venting via an irc client running on devuan :D |
| 14:48.44 | fsmithred | hey, I use that word, and my first year with linux was command-line only. "folder" has fewer letters to type than "directory" |
| 14:49.02 | fsmithred | yes, it's devuan |
| 14:49.09 | fsmithred | or at least a devuan derivative |
| 14:49.13 | fsmithred | not sure |
| 14:49.24 | furrywolf | there's devuan derivatives already? |
| 14:49.24 | FlibberTGibbet | fair play then! |
| 14:49.33 | fsmithred | ok, here goes. Fucking uefi seems like it was designed to make you screw up. |
| 14:49.49 | FlibberTGibbet | i thought that was the whole point of uefi |
| 14:49.55 | fsmithred | I can't seem to do two installations that come out the same. |
| 14:50.17 | fsmithred | and even after I zeroed the hard disk, some of the old boot entries were still there after a single installation |
| 14:50.23 | furrywolf | isn't the whole point of uefi to make installing new OSes hard enough that people don't? |
| 14:50.41 | fsmithred | apparently, it's pretty effective. |
| 14:51.11 | fsmithred | I'm about ready to give up on uefi-capable refractainstaller |
| 14:51.41 | fsmithred | I can make the script pause at the right point for people to manually add the efi files and install bootloader if they want. |
| 14:52.02 | fsmithred | but I got no warm fuzzy feeling about having the installer do that shit automatically |
| 14:52.32 | fsmithred | devuan beta does it well as the first installation. |
| 14:52.58 | fsmithred | Not sure what'll happen when it's the second installation. And no clue what happens if windows is installed. |
| 14:54.20 | furrywolf | windows probably intentionally kills every other OS installed. at least older versions did that. |
| 14:54.43 | furrywolf | "accidentally" clobbering your loader. |
| 14:56.08 | fsmithred | if grep -q ntfs blkid; then echo "Dual booting with windows and linux is deprecated. Exiting..."; fi |
| 14:57.12 | furrywolf | if we do that, can we apply the kernel patch that panics if you attempt to exec anything with systemd in the name? :) |
| 14:58.33 | fsmithred | lol |
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