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| 01:32.19 | jaromil | interesting http://www.bus1.org |
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| 01:57.19 | Centurion_Dan | worse... kay sievers.... Lennarts bestest systemd buddy... |
| 01:57.59 | Centurion_Dan | bus1 seems to be a derivation on kdbus |
| 02:02.13 | Chanku | I don't see the whole thing on "Object Oriented" IPC |
| 02:04.50 | ksx4system | Centurion_Dan: meh |
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| 02:16.40 | pydsigner | A derivation on kdbus.... |
| 02:16.51 | pydsigner | finds the vomitarium |
| 02:17.46 | pydsigner | Is this the bus that's supposed to get embedded into the kernel itself instead of userspace? |
| 02:17.59 | pydsigner | Can't see that becoming problematic at all |
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| 02:30.38 | MinceR | with kay sievers at the helm, i'm sure it will turn out fine :> |
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| 04:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: ~poettering - re Kay (key) Sievers |
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| 04:15.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | more concerning than Sievert (deadly on a dosage like 1Sv) is the support by GKH in my book |
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| 04:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-06-21 Tue 16:33:18] <DocScrutinizer05> Piki: I occasionally do, when e.g. slack acts up in konqueror >>Unfortunately, the calls feature is not available in this browser. Please switch to Chrome.<< |
| 04:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | NO I WONT! |
| 04:36.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | was it here where somebody told me "chrome calls home" OWTTE |
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| 04:44.07 | namra | greetings is it possible to install devuan unattend just like debian via pressed.cfg? |
| 05:11.56 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah GKH creeps me out. Looks a bit like Ruk the android on Star Trek! |
| 05:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know how he looks, but I wonder why the heck he does babysitting for Sievers |
| 05:13.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | see the links in |
| 05:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering |
| 05:13.57 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 05:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for you: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html |
| 05:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, OTOH when the final result is that the evil systemd cabal doesn't have a word in how bus1/younameit works, since guys like GKH effectively took over leadership/project-management then this might be something desirable |
| 05:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm really not averse to replace dbus by *anything* new that's almost impossible to be inferior to this crap |
| 05:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | a kernel based message bus might be a good thing after all if implemented in a sane way, and chances are the kernel guys will take care that no insane nonsense could happen to it, or with it. Like "streaming video raw data via dbus" - something they honestly considered at times |
| 05:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean WAAAAH REALLY NOW? |
| 05:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | also points at the original NeXTStep OS docs where they elaborated on how to do lightweight message data transfer by simply handing over the MMU pointer from logical to physical memory to the destination process and adding it to the memory lookup table there |
| 05:28.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | zero-copy |
| 05:29.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess the correct term is address translation table |
| 05:34.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sentimentally sifts http://www.nextop.de/NeXTstep_3.3_Developer_Documentation/ |
| 05:38.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The origional material contained in the manuals converted from rtf to html is copyright© 1994 NeXT Software Inc.<< |
| 05:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Updated 2000.06.30.0014<< |
| 05:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome: http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=582 |
| 05:59.47 | m33 | DocScrutinizer05: hi, thanks for the next docs :) |
| 06:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :) |
| 06:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | those were docs, eh? |
| 06:00.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | not the fractal crap you get today |
| 06:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | a pity the project I offered/managed back when got canceled. Would have been lots of fun to deploy a NeXTCUBE based ISO9000 industry process monitoring and logging system to thousands of companies worldwide |
| 06:14.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | after 8 months of work and customer requirements evaluation and system architecure work it turned out the customer Henkel had a similar (though way inferior) product already in their Netherlands branch, which of course was unknown to the German branch :-/ |
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| 06:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wonder about details: Henkel (back then) offers solutions to industry sized laundries (>50kg / min, for hospitals and whatnot), and those have rather stingent rrequirements to document that stuff is sterile |
| 06:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | funny washing machines ;-D |
| 06:32.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | 15*3*3m |
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| 07:02.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR1l1SzUdpw |
| 07:11.18 | detha | DocScrutinizer05: ah, memories. I used to hack extra stuff into the PLCs controlling tunnel washers in those days. |
| 07:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 07:14.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. for ISO9000 you need to have barcode readers to identify laundry batch, and a dozen sensors for temperature, pH and whatnot, to document the laundry actually got sterilized |
| 07:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun software project |
| 07:17.59 | detha | Yup. I remember one client who also did surgical instrument sterilization. Little sterilizer, and heat-shrink packager. Lotsa graphs on the temperatures, and be sure you can link each set of instruments to the point in time it went through |
| 07:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly |
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| 11:11.30 | TsT | hello |
| 11:11.50 | djph | hi TsT |
| 11:12.01 | TsT | after sucessfull upgrade from debian/wheezy to devuan/jessie |
| 11:12.14 | TsT | the lsb_release -a return : |
| 11:12.21 | TsT | No LSB modules are available. |
| 11:12.21 | TsT | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 11:12.21 | TsT | Description: Devuan GNU/Linux jessie |
| 11:12.21 | TsT | Release: 7 |
| 11:12.21 | TsT | Codename: n/a |
| 11:12.33 | TsT | is it ok ? |
| 11:12.51 | TsT | it seems me a little strange to read Release 7 with a almost-debian 8 |
| 11:13.53 | djph | 0-based perhaps |
| 11:14.00 | djph | hell if I know :) |
| 11:17.23 | TsT | djph is it an answer to my question ? :) |
| 11:17.56 | djph | could be. do you like the answer? |
| 11:18.30 | TsT | i do not understand it at all ;) |
| 11:19.08 | KatolaZ | TsT: I believe there is still some tweaking to be implemented with debian_version and the like |
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| 11:25.42 | TsT | KatolaZ ok ;) |
| 11:25.52 | TsT | thanks for your answers :) |
| 11:26.17 | TsT | and thanks a lot to save my mind with devuan ;) |
| 11:26.46 | KatolaZ | TsT: feel free to post the issue on the project gitlab, please |
| 11:27.37 | KatolaZ | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project\ |
| 11:27.50 | TsT | KatolaZ then it seems a real issue ? |
| 11:28.18 | KatolaZ | well, it is |
| 11:28.32 | KatolaZ | if you have a Devuan and it says it's a Debian :) |
| 11:28.33 | TsT | ok |
| 11:28.43 | TsT | it say both |
| 11:29.02 | TsT | but i focused my attention more about the Release number |
| 11:31.39 | TsT | i think i also experiment bug on the issue website ... :( |
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| 11:44.25 | TsT | issue reported. |
| 11:45.33 | TsT | or not ... |
| 11:46.43 | TsT | i got some timeout from the website ;/ |
| 11:46.52 | TsT | but the issue seems sent |
| 11:46.54 | TsT | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/66 |
| 11:46.58 | TsT | thansk for all |
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| 11:53.30 | fsmithred | someone needs to edit /etc/lsb-release? |
| 11:53.46 | hellekin | the Release is correct on my machine |
| 11:54.28 | fsmithred | I can't tell - I already changed mine. |
| 11:54.51 | hellekin | It's also correct on another Debian Wheezy upgraded to Devuan Jessie |
| 11:55.04 | fsmithred | cool |
| 11:57.09 | fsmithred | just fired up a beta1 VM, and it's all correct. |
| 11:57.13 | fsmithred | 1.0 |
| 11:58.21 | hellekin | I guess removing /etc/debian_release might do it |
| 11:59.12 | hellekin | at least, adding it doesn't change a thing. |
| 12:01.05 | fsmithred | checking one I upgraded from debian |
| 12:05.13 | fsmithred | that one has no "debian" and has "jessie" in the Release field instead of in the codename field. |
| 12:05.38 | fsmithred | and no number version |
| 12:06.03 | fsmithred | version number |
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| 14:05.20 | hellekin | dyne.org tracker has 100 seeders for devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta.torrent |
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| 14:18.44 | ksx4system | hellekin: /etc/debian_version shows 8.2 for me yet there's no /etc/debian_release (and this box was upgraded to Devuan jessie from Debian jessie) |
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| 17:58.12 | robert-e | re snappy/flatpak ... http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html |
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| 18:29.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's covered by ~systemd |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~systemd |
| 18:29.45 | infobot | systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, H. Hoyer, D. Mack, T. Gundersen, D. Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel. See ~nosystemd" |
| 18:34.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a particularly verbose and comprehensive blogpost by Poettering, and thus also one of the most scary ones. |
| 18:34.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The systemd cabal (Kay Sievers, Harald Hoyer, Daniel Mack, Tom Gundersen, David Herrmann, and yours truly) recently met in Berlin about all these things, and tried to come up with a scheme that is somewhat simple, but tries to solve the issues generically, for all use-cases, as part of the systemd project.<< |
| 18:35.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHY???? |
| 18:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>If you build any kind of embedded device, a server system, or even user systems, you frequently do your work based on complete system images, << MY ASS |
| 18:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>btrfs partitions that adhere to this naming scheme should be clearly identifiable. It is our intention to introduce a new GPT partition type ID for this.<< /me headdesks |
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| 18:42.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | some more headdeskimg: >>When a user authenticates and logs in we mount his home directory from his snapshot.<< The guild of admins will praise you enetranlly for this, Master Poettering |
| 18:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | eternally even |
| 18:44.40 | MinceR | re snappy/flatpak... AppImage, 0install |
| 18:50.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | If only Poettering a tiny bit less would feel like he was God himself |
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| 18:51.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | did his parents give him linux as a birthday gift when he was 15? The WHOLE linux, every distro, everywhere in this universe, all his own? |
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| 18:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | what disgusting hubris |
| 18:52.21 | MinceR | no, it was only a small part of the gift |
| 18:52.32 | MinceR | he was given the entire multiverse |
| 18:52.38 | MinceR | he became its regent |
| 18:52.48 | MinceR | and thus he was named: Intolerant Regent P |
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| 19:35.22 | gci_admin | Multiverse ... now *there* is a wholly, un-empirical, religion. ;) |
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| 19:42.00 | jonadab | How many multiverses are there, that's the question. |
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| 19:46.26 | gci_admin | That is not the only question. I would ask, "Are there actually any other universes at all and can one prove it?" |
| 19:46.51 | gci_admin | Regardless, this is probably better discussed in #debianfork. ;) |
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| 19:48.57 | jonadab | (Yes, personally I have always considered the word "universe" to _by definition_ include whatever exists, so the idea of anythign existing that's not part of the universe is just a contradiction in terms. But eh, definitions.) |
| 19:50.17 | MinceR | :) |
| 19:51.42 | gci_admin | #DefinitionsMatter ! |
| 19:52.46 | MinceR | #DarkMatter |
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