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| 00:26.46 | golinux | Not one peep all day here. What's up with that? |
| 00:27.41 | Inocuous | everyone is so happy with Devuan, no complaints. |
| 00:28.09 | golinux | Not neuroses today either |
| 00:28.19 | golinux | Not > no |
| 00:28.30 | golinux | :) |
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| 00:47.27 | fsmithred | I've got a neurosis today. |
| 00:48.17 | fsmithred | when I run mksquashfs, it gets to the end of squashing, and my computer shuts off. |
| 00:51.35 | golinux | Oh boy! |
| 00:51.54 | golinux | You can't even blame it on systemd! |
| 00:52.51 | fsmithred | nope. |
| 00:53.06 | fsmithred | only did it on one computer. |
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| 00:55.22 | jsfarinet | good evening all |
| 00:58.40 | jsfarinet | I have a question regarding copyrights and how to deal with them |
| 00:59.08 | ksx4system | jsfarinet: could you please elaborate? |
| 00:59.30 | jsfarinet | i found a very smart tool to configure jwm and i would like to put into an eventual jwm desktop for devuan |
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| 01:00.26 | jsfarinet | In the header of the script is stated it's under GNU gpl 2 or any later version |
| 01:00.42 | ksx4system | then there's no problem :) |
| 01:01.02 | jsfarinet | I don't have even to ask? |
| 01:01.11 | ksx4system | you don't |
| 01:01.26 | ksx4system | GPL allows you to distribute openly |
| 01:01.42 | jsfarinet | Wow, that's great. And a great service of the creators of the script!!! |
| 01:02.13 | jsfarinet | But i have to keep - in the headers - the authorship |
| 01:02.31 | jsfarinet | which is the minimum of respect anyway, IMHO |
| 01:02.36 | ksx4system | exactly |
| 01:03.26 | jsfarinet | Thank you ksx4system |
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| 05:42.29 | FNTM-U3 | hi |
| 05:42.45 | FNTM-U3 | I can't mount my LVM volume under devuan. |
| 05:43.06 | FNTM-U3 | I even restart my machine with the volume attached but no luck. |
| 05:43.29 | FNTM-U3 | the lv name wouldn't show under /dev |
| 06:03.01 | ksx4system | FNTM-U3: what kernel do you have (default, backports, anything external)? is your /etc/fstab configured properly? |
| 06:03.23 | ksx4system | is your root partition on LVM? |
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| 06:59.48 | FNTM-U3 | ksx4system: I just installed the devuan so my kernel is what it came with it. and no the LVM is a disk attached to machine by SATA cable. The Devuan is on another disk. |
| 07:00.06 | FNTM-U3 | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:01.40 | FNTM-U3 | any ideas |
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| 07:08.13 | zdzichu | did you try "lvm vgchange --activate y"? |
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| 08:31.24 | FNTM-U3 | zdzichu: why? in every other distro even in debian I just plug the disk and reboot thr system. the LVM group would be picked up during the boot. |
| 08:32.06 | FNTM-U3 | I had the uestion why not just then and there after connecting to the machine. (like being Plug&Play) |
| 08:32.25 | FNTM-U3 | but here in devuan I even can't have it after reboot |
| 08:34.08 | FNTM-U3 | dmesg |grep --color lvm |
| 08:34.17 | FNTM-U3 | don't show anything |
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| 08:44.31 | FNTM-U3 | what does the command "lvm vgchange --activate y" do? |
| 08:45.17 | zdzichu | man vgchange |
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| 09:38.43 | FNTM-U3 | zdzichu: not supported under lvm2 |
| 09:39.07 | Akuli | why does devuan come with slim? |
| 09:54.53 | fsmithred | FNTM-U3, was that a question or an error message? |
| 10:08.07 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: just a message |
| 10:08.18 | FNTM-U3 | Akuli: no systemd I suppose |
| 10:08.27 | fsmithred | what's not supported under lvm2? |
| 10:08.42 | fsmithred | you don't need systemd |
| 10:08.55 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: lvm vgchange |
| 10:09.02 | hellekin | Akuli: slim is small and does the job. Do you have an issue with slim? |
| 10:09.06 | fsmithred | is lvm2 installed? |
| 10:09.20 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: yup |
| 10:09.28 | fsmithred | here's hwat I do: |
| 10:09.34 | fsmithred | vgchange -a y <volume_group_name> |
| 10:09.35 | fsmithred | mount /dev/mapper/<vg_name-lv_name> <mountpoint> |
| 10:09.58 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: what exactly vgchange does? |
| 10:10.08 | hellekin | FNTM-U3: you still didn't read the manual |
| 10:10.20 | fsmithred | it makes it so you can mount the lvm |
| 10:10.39 | FNTM-U3 | hellekin: the manual was what I posted earlier "not supported under LVM2" |
| 10:11.04 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: should I dothat every time? |
| 10:11.58 | hellekin | FNTM-U3: no, man vgchange says: "vgchange â change attributes of a volume group", then you go to the option -a and its says... Well, you know, you can RTFM. |
| 10:12.33 | Akuli | hellekin, i don't, but i like to install lightdm anyway |
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| 10:13.08 | hellekin | Akuli: you're welcome. Never tried lightdm. |
| 10:13.30 | fsmithred | Akuli, I use lightdm in devuan, and it works well. |
| 10:13.49 | Akuli | i guess i'm just used to having it in ubuntu :) |
| 10:14.10 | fsmithred | FNTM-U3, you'll need to edit /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab to have the volume mount at boot. |
| 10:16.22 | fsmithred | not /etc/crypttab |
| 10:16.27 | fsmithred | unless it's encrypted |
| 10:17.12 | hellekin | Akuli: apparently lightdm will suspend if the lid is closed, which saves battery. |
| 10:17.27 | hellekin | Akuli: but honestly, I've never seen a multi-user laptop. |
| 10:18.34 | Akuli | it doesn't for me |
| 10:19.47 | fsmithred | I don't think my laptop suspends when I shut the lid. I have to tell it to suspend. |
| 10:21.05 | FNTM-U3 | fsmithred: thanks |
| 10:27.38 | hellekin | was reading from comparison between X display managers. |
| 10:27.51 | hellekin | so lightdm has the possibility, I guess it should be configured |
| 10:29.03 | hellekin | maybe we should have a "desktop environment" task force to figure out all these configuration details and come up with cross-desktop default configurations. |
| 10:29.53 | hellekin | (saying that, but "desktop environment" is actually something I want to get rid of: both the concept and delivery are so misled. |
| 10:32.56 | fsmithred | hellekin, what kind of environment you want to replace it with? Hammock? Kitchen table? |
| 10:36.30 | Humpelstilzchen | in the early days of the republic the suspend was done my acpid.. |
| 10:45.40 | fsmithred | Akuli, you using xfce? |
| 10:47.23 | fsmithred | xfce4-power-manager has a setting for laptop lid. |
| 10:51.29 | jaromil | fsmithred: couch. couch is best. "Devuan couch environment" |
| 10:51.52 | fsmithred | that work. I'm on a couch right now. |
| 10:52.38 | fsmithred | Cabaret might be nice once in a while, too. |
| 10:53.07 | fsmithred | get dual-duty from the cdrom tray. |
| 10:53.58 | fsmithred | I really do want to hear more about what hellekin is thinking. |
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| 11:03.54 | Akuli | fsmithred, mate |
| 11:04.11 | Akuli | and its power manager is messed up in devuan for some reason |
| 11:04.20 | fsmithred | oh |
| 11:04.38 | Akuli | just displays a warning triangle instead of the correct icon |
| 11:04.47 | fsmithred | I don't know if you could use a different power manager with mate |
| 11:04.52 | Akuli | and doesn't keep track of my battery status unless i restart it |
| 11:05.00 | Akuli | i guess i could try installing the xfce one |
| 11:05.18 | Akuli | or does it come with the whole desktop? i think i've ran xfce4-panel in mate |
| 11:06.10 | jaromil | fsmithred: hellekin is out collecting hashes from bbqs in the park. cypherpunk poetry. |
| 11:06.47 | fsmithred | 'apt-cache depends xfce4-power-manager' looks like you don't need much of xfce |
| 11:09.30 | Akuli | it only runs with xfce4-panel |
| 11:10.04 | Akuli | i could write my own power manager but that's a bit too much work just to check the battery status |
| 11:11.30 | FNTM-U3 | guys; How devuan tells slim to use consolekit and sh-syntax? In another word how could I set this for every windows manager I have either in conjunction with Slim display manager? exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session openbox-session |
| 11:11.44 | FNTM-U3 | openbox-session is just an example |
| 11:12.20 | FNTM-U3 | I ask again. how should I set ck-launch-session dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session in a system with Slim as its display manager? |
| 11:16.12 | Akuli | fsmithred, in arch repositories there's a package called mate-power-manager-upower, but not on any of my debian-based systems |
| 11:16.28 | Akuli | i can check the battery status manually with upower just fine so i don't know |
| 11:17.24 | FNTM-U3 | Akuli: look at the source-code URL |
| 11:17.41 | FNTM-U3 | if there is a package you could get and compile it yourself |
| 11:18.05 | Akuli | hmm |
| 11:18.13 | Akuli | it conflicts with whatever is mate-power-manager in arch :D |
| 11:18.18 | lime_ | I'm trying to install qemu-kvm on devuan from the repositories, and, no beef |
| 11:18.35 | lime_ | loads of conflicts |
| 11:20.06 | Akuli | actually, let me run mate-power-manager from terminal and see if it says anything |
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| 11:24.26 | FNTM-U3 | the ck-launch session wasn't in the login_cmd line of /etc/slim.conf So how do you guts start dbus and consolekit on every boot? |
| 11:29.48 | Akuli | looking at more things in mate-power-manager it knows what the real percentage is but it messes it up with the capacity |
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| 11:30.08 | Akuli | and when i restart it its correct again |
| 11:30.45 | fsmithred | lime_, what conflicts? I've done it several times. 'apt-get install qemu qemu-kvm' |
| 11:32.27 | f00Fighter | Given the number of people here, I am certain that everyone knows about the website's cert problem already. :) So I'd only say that "chromium --ignore-certificate-errors" helped me temporarily access it. :) And I also got Devuan Jessie installed. Works nicely and the default KDE install seems much more lightweight too. :) I miss networkmanager a little bit, but /etc/network/interfaces is familiar enough. |
| 11:37.52 | f00Fighter | (Will try it for a while on a 3D printing workstation before deploying on any servers, but looks promising, so... many thanks for a shiny new distro. :) |
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| 11:40.41 | lime_ | fsmithred: http://termbin.com/7amt |
| 11:42.11 | fsmithred | lime_, have you done update/upgrade recently? |
| 11:44.00 | lime_ | i have, whilst trying to fix it |
| 11:45.54 | lime_ | I'm running ceres so it could just be a case of waiting for package maintainers to catch up |
| 11:46.53 | fsmithred | ah, that explains why I'm seeing different version numbers |
| 11:47.14 | fsmithred | I don't see any devuan packages for qemu-system |
| 11:48.04 | lime_ | I'll compile it from source, no worries |
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| 12:37.13 | Ofer | Hi, there is an issue with ssl certificate on https://devuan.org/ |
| 12:40.33 | Akuli | doesn't work in chromium, but it shows just fine in a browser i made yesterday using webkit.webview |
| 12:40.49 | Ofer | I tried good chrome and firefox |
| 12:40.51 | Ofer | same results |
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| 14:23.58 | jsfarinet | Irrwahn: |
| 14:31.34 | Akuli | has anyone seen figlfdev? |
| 14:32.00 | fsmithred | not in the last 4 hours |
| 14:32.12 | Akuli | ok good, so he's still coming here regularly |
| 14:32.31 | Akuli | i'll soon get a really old imac, and i want to know how to boot it into a command-line mode so i can actually use it |
| 14:36.29 | flrn | hey Akuli, some years ago I installed debian (ppc) on an g4 emac. perhaps I can help...? |
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| 14:38.29 | Akuli | sure :) |
| 14:38.52 | Akuli | i don't have the computer yet, but i'm interested in running it without the gui crap |
| 14:38.57 | Akuli | just to see what it comes with |
| 14:39.21 | Akuli | even though the file manager is awful i was able to have a look at /usr/bin using a web browser, and there's a bunch of useful programs there |
| 14:39.24 | Akuli | even emacs |
| 14:39.49 | flrn | so what's the plan? boot osx single user mode? |
| 14:39.54 | Akuli | yep |
| 14:39.57 | Akuli | however thats done |
| 14:40.13 | flrn | i installed xfce and worked fine. ram upgrade to 1GB |
| 14:40.33 | Akuli | nice |
| 14:40.46 | flrn | websearch osx single user mode |
| 14:40.56 | Akuli | i just did it |
| 14:41.03 | flrn | don't remember the key combo right now |
| 14:41.40 | Akuli | seems to be command-s |
| 14:42.13 | flrn | yeah, I think that's it. intuitive osx ;) |
| 14:46.02 | Akuli | is the single user mode basically gnu/linux with one tty, and different set of programs? |
| 14:46.08 | Akuli | so no gui junk? |
| 14:46.29 | flrn | no gui, like runlevel 1 |
| 14:47.13 | Akuli | ok, nice |
| 14:47.30 | Akuli | i get to actually see how much ram it has :D |
| 14:47.34 | Akuli | there's no way to check that in the gui |
| 14:47.59 | flrn | sure? |
| 14:48.13 | Akuli | at least i didn't find it |
| 14:48.17 | Akuli | even the file manager was useless |
| 14:48.20 | flrn | i think the "apple" menu item has some kind of "about this computer" |
| 14:48.23 | Akuli | and of course, no terminal |
| 14:48.35 | Akuli | thats possible |
| 14:49.29 | flrn | you'll find the terminal in a subfolder of "applications", in german it's "dienstprogramme", i think "utilities" in english |
| 14:49.46 | Akuli | there is no terminal there :D |
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| 14:50.34 | flrn | strange... |
| 14:51.12 | flrn | but you talk osx? or os 8/9? |
| 14:51.23 | Akuli | i'm pretty sure its osx |
| 14:51.28 | Akuli | i didn't look at it much yet |
| 14:51.33 | Akuli | i'm wondering if it's a powerpc processor though |
| 14:51.42 | Akuli | finding a gnu operating system that's up to date might be hard |
| 14:52.01 | Akuli | or is there a ppc version of devuan? |
| 14:52.45 | Akuli | at least i don't see one |
| 14:53.00 | flrn | don't know. debian wheezy should be fine and upgradable to jessie w/o systemd. |
| 14:53.12 | Akuli | without systemd? |
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| 14:53.58 | flrn | you can stay with sysvinit, probably need libsystemd0 |
| 14:54.13 | Akuli | this wikipedia page says devuan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PowerPC_operating_systems |
| 14:55.29 | flrn | indeed: https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/ lists ppc |
| 14:56.33 | Akuli | how can i install that? |
| 14:56.40 | Akuli | it's not an installer thing |
| 14:56.45 | flrn | also: devuan.org's cert is back |
| 14:56.51 | Akuli | nice |
| 14:58.00 | flrn | if there's no installer, I'd go debain wheezy, do a minimal netinstall and upgrade do devuan jessie |
| 14:58.15 | Akuli | that's one option too |
| 14:58.32 | flrn | but i don't know if the devuan ppc repo is like only a placeholder? |
| 14:58.34 | Akuli | i wonder what would happen if i'd get a debian installer and make it use a devuan repo :D |
| 14:58.57 | flrn | ask emmninger, that's his kind of games ;) |
| 14:59.10 | Akuli | who's emmniger? |
| 14:59.14 | Akuli | emmninger |
| 14:59.44 | flrn | oh, [DNG] |
| 15:00.54 | flrn | but i guess if you install from debian jessie installer, you'll run into problems as it expects to install systemd init |
| 15:02.00 | Akuli | maybe i could boot from a stick with a live system on it and do this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
| 15:02.09 | flrn | pointing wheezy netinstall to devuan jessie might be more promising |
| 15:02.22 | flrn | old imac sounds like usb1 ... |
| 15:02.35 | Akuli | yes, there's actually lots of usb ports |
| 15:02.38 | Akuli | which is amazing |
| 15:02.50 | flrn | no fun booting - if it is possible at all. |
| 15:03.05 | Akuli | hmm |
| 15:03.19 | Akuli | i'm not sure but i don't think there's a cd drive |
| 15:03.27 | Akuli | or maybe i just didn't see it |
| 15:03.39 | flrn | is it an old crt imac or already tft? |
| 15:03.47 | Akuli | tft? |
| 15:03.56 | flrn | flat screen |
| 15:04.00 | Akuli | old |
| 15:04.16 | Akuli | it'd kill my eyes if i'd work on it too long |
| 15:04.25 | flrn | so at least you can mount an old p-ata cdrom easily |
| 15:04.53 | flrn | if there's none |
| 15:18.05 | flrn | good luck - i'm out^^ |
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| 21:53.31 | Inocuous | stupid question I guess but here goes, I need to reset the password on the user login on my devuan, I have the root. I found a hundred video's how to reset root. nothing on setting user. any help appreciated. |
| 21:55.51 | KatolaZ | passwd username |
| 21:57.01 | Inocuous | ok. thanks. let me try. |
| 22:04.04 | Inocuous | I guess that's so easy they don't expect anyone to ever ask. |
| 22:04.17 | KatolaZ | man passwd :) |
| 22:05.01 | Inocuous | I like man but I had no idea what tool to use. |
| 22:07.11 | KatolaZ | well, the same you use to change root's password :) |
| 22:07.19 | KatolaZ | one mechanism = one tool |
| 22:07.30 | KatolaZ | and one tool = one mechanism |
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| 22:27.38 | Chanku | Hey |
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