| 00:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought it's a minor fix, supposed to arrive very swiftly |
| 00:01.57 | gci_admin | I need to be able to install from the media for my netbook. Unless the installer can fire up my wireless adapter on it. It does not have an ethernet port. |
| 00:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 00:02.43 | gci_admin | So, I await the fixes. |
| 00:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen installers that had a "load proprietary drivers" feature for that, allowing to get those drivers from any random source |
| 00:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | just for tossing around some ideas |
| 00:04.28 | gci_admin | Well, it is a chicken and egg problem if the installer is wanting to get on the net and I only have wireless with drivers only available on the net. ;) |
| 00:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's why those fetaures usually defaulted to CD |
| 00:05.31 | gci_admin | So, I await the fixes. ;) |
| 00:05.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "please insert the CD/DVD with drivers into any drive, or plug in the USB memory stick containing them" |
| 00:06.53 | gci_admin | Right. A conundrum of a conundrum. :) |
| 00:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that fix is urgently needed, no matter what |
| 00:08.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd feel seriously pissed as a "end user" when I can't install despite I picked the large image on purpose since I knew I won't have internet access for netinstall |
| 00:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I also think there's missing a BIG WARNING about that on the website |
| 00:10.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a stopgap measure until the fixed install images arrive |
| 00:10.50 | gci_admin | Well, it is still beta, so caveat emptor. ;) |
| 00:10.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless they already did and I didn't notice ;-) |
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| 00:23.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, no. No updates since Sat May 7 20:27:01 CEST 2016 for MIRRORS.txt |
| 00:24.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | my logfile is a PITA to actually search for any updates :-/ |
| 00:24.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.files.dev-1.org/log.txt |
| 00:24.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe with grep and regex it would be feasible |
| 00:25.01 | gci_admin | grep FTW ;) |
| 00:28.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | a series of grep -v should prolly do |
| 00:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally serverside |
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| 00:40.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see |
| 00:50.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yup, better |
| 00:51.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep/search for "./" |
| 00:52.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I dunno if this would actually get listed as updated when a file in a subdir gets updated |
| 00:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not |
| 00:58.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: hellekin: suggestion-> add a file "LastUpdate.txt" to https://files.devuan.org/, listing the files that were updated last (in a bunch). Obviously this file would always have the timestamp of last update and always be found on same position in file tree "root" |
| 01:02.38 | fsmithred | gci_admin, DocScrutinizer05: today, hellekin told me beta2 maybe by the end of the month |
| 01:02.58 | gci_admin | Nice, thanks fsmithred. |
| 01:03.17 | fsmithred | gci_admin, if you can't wait for your netbook, you could install refracta, which does not require network and has deb files for wireless in case you need to install |
| 01:03.49 | fsmithred | it's really just devuan |
| 01:04.00 | gci_admin | fsmithred, I can wait. I have been waiting more than a year already. ;) |
| 01:04.09 | fsmithred | lol, I understand |
| 01:04.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: I already thought about you and your minimal image |
| 01:05.06 | fsmithred | right now, I've only got xfce versions up |
| 01:05.21 | fsmithred | got as much packed into them that will fit on a CD |
| 01:05.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't user run the installer form netinstall in a refracta booted system? |
| 01:05.40 | fsmithred | no, I didn't include the devuan/debian installer |
| 01:06.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I meant form a install CD with netinstall image on it |
| 01:06.23 | fsmithred | no |
| 01:06.31 | fsmithred | it's based on having a running system |
| 01:06.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 01:06.57 | fsmithred | and uses rsync to copy the system, then squash it and put it in an iso file along with isolinux files |
| 01:07.08 | fsmithred | snapshot does that |
| 01:07.14 | fsmithred | installer does opposite |
| 01:07.32 | fsmithred | puts the running live CD/USB onto a hard drive, again using rsync |
| 01:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | boot the minimal system, crank up network (WLAN), insert netinstalled CD, mount it, start installer |
| 01:08.47 | fsmithred | that might be possible |
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| 01:09.45 | fsmithred | but I think with the official installer, you can have drivers on a second usb stick |
| 01:09.54 | fsmithred | and add them at the beginning of the install |
| 01:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the driver install option I mentioned? |
| 01:10.14 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 01:10.20 | fsmithred | in expert install, I think |
| 01:10.24 | fsmithred | I've never used it |
| 01:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 01:10.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 01:11.07 | fsmithred | or, you know, use one of those 5-ft wires you have laying around |
| 01:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe yeah |
| 01:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, gci_admin said his device only has wlan? |
| 01:12.15 | fsmithred | oh, that changes things |
| 01:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed ;-) |
| 01:12.30 | fsmithred | especially if it's not supported by kernel |
| 01:13.39 | fsmithred | and if it is, even then it's a crap shoot - I've heard plenty of people complain that the (debian) installer used their wireless for the install, but then when they booted into the system, wireless didn't work. |
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| 01:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah, that might be possible. But also possible to fix maybe |
| 01:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the device still has kbd and display, and a USB jack |
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| 02:55.35 | SuicideJunkie | Hrm. Well. Video card is worse than the built in graphics. |
| 02:56.31 | SuicideJunkie | On boot there was some messages from Nouveau about unknown chipset however. |
| 03:06.37 | SuicideJunkie | The NVIDIA-Driver on the other hand runs it fast and smooth until randomly locking up the system and corrupting files. |
| 03:06.52 | SuicideJunkie | Any suggestions on what to do here? |
| 03:16.03 | DusXMT | I'd recommend looking for a graphics card that's supported by free drivers - like you've said, the proprietary ones work nicely when they do, but quite often they also misbehave (I once had fglrx, the radeon driver, cause quite a significant memory leak in X, to tke point where it could choke the system if I used OpenGL for too long without restarting X) |
| 03:17.24 | DusXMT | Radeon cards will probably be better supported, since AMD is more supportive of free GPU drivers |
| 03:27.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | video driver corrupting files? Ugh! how's a friggin video driver supposed to even have a call to write() |
| 03:27.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless of course it writes to /dev/* |
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| 05:00.53 | FNTM-U3 | hello people. I am trying to build tlsdate and in spite of having openssl and sslh installed by apt-get; I get this error while doing "./configure" : https://paste.ubuntu.com/16940603/ |
| 05:01.00 | FNTM-U3 | any one could help? |
| 05:03.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need the devel packages |
| 05:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like /usr/bin/openssl won't help |
| 05:05.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | check the file lists of the packages |
| 05:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | configure: error: OpenSSL is not installed, openssl/sslh is missing says it all |
| 05:06.54 | FNTM-U3 | DocScrutinizer05: what package should I install? |
| 05:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | checking for openssl/ssl.h... no is what actually names the missing file I guess |
| 05:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I would suspect you need a package like openssl-devel or the like |
| 05:08.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the names differ by distro |
| 05:08.32 | FNTM-U3 | DocScrutinizer05: how should I search for the package containing that file then? |
| 05:08.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | search for packages like *openssl* |
| 05:08.54 | FNTM-U3 | just asking this a general Q? |
| 05:09.26 | FNTM-U3 | DocScrutinizer05: gentoo had a command for that does debian/devuan/ |
| 05:09.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search openssl |
| 05:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, I just found libssl-dev which may or may not be what is missing for you |
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| 05:12.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm really the wrong person to ask |
| 05:12.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait a while, somebody else may chime in |
| 05:15.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation<< |
| 05:16.09 | DusXMT | DocScrutinizer05: I think they're asking in general - eg. if I wanted to know which package contains ssl.h, what command would I use? (I personally just do the crude thing of looking at packages.debian.org) |
| 05:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no clue how to handle that, except in Yast ;-P |
| 05:17.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even Yast doesn't show file lists for non-installed packages |
| 05:17.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | so prolly google is a fair bet |
| 05:18.02 | FNTM-U3 | yes that was my Q? a command line to search for the exact package/s containing the specific file/library |
| 05:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | never used aptitude, so I can't tell if it's of any use here |
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| 05:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/openssl/openssl/blob/1d97c8435171a7af575f73c526d79e1ef0ee5960/ssl/ssl.h is the first hit on google for ssl.h |
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| 05:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | however 2nd link is https://www.openssl.org/docs/manmaster/ssl/ssl.html |
| 05:23.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | which talks about a library, so libssl-dev |
| 05:23.52 | DusXMT | Or perhaps: https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ssh.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any (but there should be a way to do this from the cli) |
| 05:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | possible, just I have no clue about that stuff |
| 05:24.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw ssl.h not ssh.h |
| 05:25.10 | DusXMT | I know, but same principle =3 |
| 05:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | some time ago somebody claimed dpkg dependencies were a mess |
| 05:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually a HowTo page for X claims which packages Y Z the X depends on, so you can install those beforehand |
| 05:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | searching for a particular file might not be worthwhile since the same file name might occur in several packages |
| 05:31.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, I think google is a fair bet |
| 05:31.59 | DusXMT | DocScrutinizer05: And often you don't even need a HowTo page, just read the README file |
| 05:32.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 05:32.50 | DusXMT | That'll usually list dependencies, optional or not, and then finding the package with the headers is just a matter of apt-cache search, or a little session in aptitude |
| 05:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search $projectname | grep "-dev" |
| 05:39.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/20902443 |
| 05:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate/blob/master/INSTALL#L64 |
| 05:56.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | tlsdate is a pretty poor idea tbh |
| 05:59.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't compensate for RTT at all, it has no notion of stratum at all, and thus it trusts random and it doesn't scale since at a certain point it trips over and gets 110% recursive for the whole system |
| 06:02.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the suggest to use a pool.tls.org or sth for mitigating those flaws, but that's again a single point of failure, with same problems like any ntp root |
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| 06:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | the name already gives it away "parasitic...". When you get more parasites than hosts then the whole thing collapses |
| 06:10.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why the heck would you want to use such a thing? |
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| 11:38.26 | armin | hi. |
| 11:39.50 | TXX | Hello armin :) what's up? |
| 11:40.14 | armin | i'm fine. i just removed the last systemd box from my home and replaced it with something better. |
| 11:40.24 | armin | was quite some work to migrate all those hosts. |
| 11:40.31 | armin | but there we go. |
| 11:40.36 | armin | i'm officially systemd free right now. |
| 11:41.16 | Defiant | wonders if this is the channel of the anonym systemd users |
| 11:41.30 | armin | who knows. |
| 11:41.35 | armin | on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. |
| 11:42.28 | TXX | Defiant: sort of, but devuan is a little more than just bad systemd experiences |
| 11:42.44 | TXX | also armin how many hosts? how'd you go about it? |
| 11:42.49 | Defiant | never had a bad systemd experience |
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| 11:57.11 | armin | TXX: wrote a few scripts that do post installation tasks, migrated my kvm virtualization host to voidlinux, most VMs are running freebsd, one of my notebooks runs freebsd, another one openbsd. |
| 11:57.21 | armin | TXX: i used git a lot. |
| 12:00.25 | armin | TXX: also wrote a wrapper script for xbps that makes bootstrapping new voidlinux hosts easy: https://github.com/netzverweigerer/vpm |
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| 12:01.13 | TXX | armin: :) whoa awesome, have you tried Ansible? |
| 12:01.47 | armin | TXX: not yet, but it's on my todo-list definitely. i do most configuration management like things in plain bash. |
| 12:03.00 | armin | i have to admit i gave devuan a too small focus with this. |
| 12:03.31 | armin | will definitely try it again on a spare x220 within the next days. |
| 12:04.31 | armin | i also moved to peervpn for most VPN needs. |
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| 12:14.42 | TXX | armin: hows the kvm support on Void Linux? Are you running with libvirt? |
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| 13:11.56 | Inocuous | I'm doing an install on an old laptop, it's asking me which kernel to use, the cpu is a pentium I beleive. |
| 13:13.04 | lime_ | the latest? |
| 13:13.25 | lime_ | unless you have a reason not tooo |
| 13:14.43 | Inocuous | It's highlighting linux-image-686-pae out of a list of 7 or so |
| 13:16.05 | lime_ | ah yes |
| 13:16.50 | lime_ | Pysical address extension |
| 13:17.06 | lime_ | leave it on that |
| 13:18.28 | Inocuous | Ok. thanks. |
| 13:19.12 | lime_ | Inocuous: if you want to read more on PAE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 13:20.00 | Inocuous | I should, I'll have a few minutes waiting here. thanks for the link. |
| 13:30.18 | Leander256 | if you have less than 4GB of RAM (and I assume that's your case, since it's an old laptop), PAE is useless at best |
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| 13:32.23 | Inocuous | good point Leander256. probably will never cross 4gb on that machine. |
| 13:32.28 | lime_ | aye, it's to let 32bitcpus access largerspaces than is constrained the 32bit top limit |
| 13:32.48 | lime_ | is the short and sweet version of it |
| 13:33.47 | Inocuous | Is Devuan using the option to report most used packages, or is that a left over from the Debian install? |
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| 13:43.24 | lime_ | I forgot how noisy these 15k SAS drives are |
| 13:52.27 | Inocuous | I was using a what'sapp extension in Chromium up until a week or two ago. I came up with a message saying it needed more permissions so it could make changes to every web page I visit. what the hell. that's a big NO |
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| 15:05.09 | jaromil | Inocuous: we haven't installed our own popcon server |
| 15:05.36 | jaromil | but we may in future, just not a priority now, meanwhile that is reporting to debian's popcon |
| 15:06.45 | KatolaZ | likes pop-corn... |
| 15:07.10 | Inocuous | I left it in the off position so I guess that was the right thing in this case. |
| 15:08.53 | lime_ | I'm liking the hidden service |
| 15:09.02 | lime_ | nice feature |
| 15:10.36 | SuicideJunkie | DusXMT: I suppose I'll go that route. Main downside is it will involve building a new PC. Terrible selection in half-height cards. |
| 15:10.37 | SuicideJunkie | DocScrutinizer05: That's part of the mystery. I'm thinking maybe the total system freeze it causes means other things are in the middle of I/O when it all goes down. |
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| 15:34.01 | DusXMT | Inocuous: I know I'm saying this too late, but a 686 kernel wouldn't even work on a pentium 1 machine; 686 uses instructions from the Pentium 2 as well, so at the very least you'd get a bunch of Illegal Instruction fault. |
| 15:34.20 | DusXMT | *faults |
| 15:35.20 | DusXMT | is kinda curious now to see how Devuan would perform on a Pentium 1 machine |
| 15:36.51 | DusXMT | If anyone with such a machine would do some benchmarks, I'd gladly see them =3 |
| 15:37.36 | Lydia_K | I might have one kicking around.. |
| 15:37.37 | furrywolf | I still have a pentium 1 laptop, but I haven't used it in a while. I kept it because it's rare, tiny, and cute. http://fw.bushytails.net/laptop02.jpg |
| 15:37.46 | Lydia_K | Actually, might be a pentium 2 WITH MMX! |
| 15:37.51 | Lydia_K | And old IBM laptop |
| 15:37.59 | furrywolf | the lack of memory was worse than the lack of cpu. firefox caused swapping. and sucked even worse than firefox does normally. |
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| 15:38.06 | DusXMT | furrywolf: yay :) |
| 15:38.11 | Lydia_K | Awww, that is cute ^.^ |
| 15:38.29 | DusXMT | How much ram does it have installed? |
| 15:38.42 | furrywolf | note that it's narrower than an atx case is wide, and a cd jewel case covers 2/3rds of it. |
| 15:39.10 | furrywolf | I think I put in a 64 in addition to the 16 it had... don't remember now. |
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| 15:40.34 | Lydia_K | Now I wanna dig out my old IBM laptop and see if it still works. Good old blacktop, that thing was indestructible. |
| 15:41.29 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: but in the i386 minimal live image we have the 586 kernel by default.... ;) |
| 15:42.36 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: if you still have a pentium I I available, I would be delighted to see how the minimal live works on that |
| 15:42.39 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 15:42.40 | DusXMT | 's just gotten himself a Powerbook a while ago; not nearly as old as these other laptops, but it's a nice little thing to have, especially to make sure your programs handle different endiannesses properly and work on non-x86 |
| 15:42.42 | furrywolf | heh, I got it in 2005 according to the dates on my pictures. it was a lot less obsolete then. :) |
| 15:43.12 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/cfm31-03.jpg compared to a desktop monitor. :) |
| 15:43.16 | Lydia_K | It was still pretty obsolete then :p |
| 15:43.48 | furrywolf | yes, but a lot less than it is now! |
| 15:44.00 | furrywolf | it's incredibly cute. it's smaller than a netbook. |
| 15:44.11 | furrywolf | and it weighs nothing. |
| 15:44.13 | DusXMT | Wow, that's tiny |
| 15:44.35 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: if you want to get rid of it, by anu chance, please consider http://museo.freaknet.org/en/ |
| 15:44.39 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 15:44.39 | furrywolf | no removal media... you couldn't fit a cd drive in it. |
| 15:44.52 | DusXMT | furrywolf: Not even a floppy? |
| 15:45.03 | DusXMT | Does it have PCMCIA? |
| 15:45.05 | Inocuous | DusXMT I'm up on the old machine. It must be a pentium 2 class, it's working well. I looked at the CPU details in windows but I've forgotten the exactly model number. Not sure how to call it up in Devuan |
| 15:45.18 | furrywolf | its current state is the battery is bad and the hard drive (the fucking THIRD one I put in it) is flaky and usually won't boot. |
| 15:45.21 | furrywolf | DusXMT: two slots |
| 15:45.33 | KatolaZ | Inocuous: minimal-live-i386 ;) |
| 15:45.35 | furrywolf | which is good, as it has no usb or ethernet. |
| 15:45.36 | DusXMT | Inocuous: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:46.00 | DusXMT | My sorta-old machine: model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 15:46.12 | KatolaZ | wow, that's not terribly old |
| 15:46.28 | DusXMT | Yup, 900MHz, 512 megs of ram |
| 15:46.35 | DusXMT | Pretty capable little thingie |
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| 15:46.40 | furrywolf | I rebuilt the battery once already using chinese cells, which promptly failed. |
| 15:46.59 | furrywolf | DusXMT: I still have my dual p3-866 in storage. it'd blow away early p4s. |
| 15:47.23 | Inocuous | Intel(r) Pentium(r) Dual CPU T2230 @ 1.60Ghz DusXMT |
| 15:48.32 | DusXMT | Inocuous: I think that's the new generation pentiums =3 You have nothing to worry about then |
| 15:48.53 | DusXMT | It might even support x86_64 |
| 15:49.04 | DusXMT | (that is, 64-bit) |
| 15:49.21 | DusXMT | (Pentium 1 is a processor from the mid-90s) |
| 15:50.25 | furrywolf | yeah, pentium 1s topped out at around .133 GHz, not 1.6Ghz... :P |
| 15:54.18 | DusXMT | One thing I'm interested to see is how the PowerPC G4 (7450, clocked at 500MHz) compares with the Pentium 3 (clocked at 900MHz), the benchmarks will be interesting to compare (I'm still building gentoo on the power-lappy) |
| 15:54.50 | DusXMT | It seems to feel reasonably fast |
| 15:54.55 | Lydia_K | I'd like to hear the results of that! |
| 15:55.14 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: you will be surprised by the results |
| 15:55.26 | KatolaZ | since the G4 has a larger L2 cache |
| 15:55.52 | KatolaZ | and should in general have better performances than anything until an early P4, IMHO |
| 16:00.38 | furrywolf | early p4s were worse than p3s. |
| 16:02.19 | KatolaZ | and p3s were worse than G4s... |
| 16:02.39 | KatolaZ | and needed a large fan to not burn off |
| 16:03.05 | DusXMT | Huh, mine has a small fan, I guess those are high-end P3s |
| 16:03.47 | DusXMT | (this is one of those "compact computers" with a really small case and specially designed motherboard) |
| 16:04.46 | furrywolf | I used a pair of big orb fans on my dual p3. |
| 16:05.27 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/694d2/p1010099.jpg |
| 16:07.08 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/694d2/p1010067.jpg I had to alter the motherboard a bit to make them fit. it needed recapping (yay chinese insta-splode caps), so I nudged the replacements over a bit. :) |
| 16:08.14 | KatolaZ | furrywolf: it doesn't surprise me, indeed :) |
| 16:58.16 | Inocuous | can someone suggest a tool for a firewall? I do apt-cache search firewall, there are dozens of options. I need the beginners firewall that clamps down my system until I know better. |
| 17:01.07 | lime_ | Inocuous: man iptables |
| 17:03.56 | lime_ | and if that's too much try |
| 17:03.58 | lime_ | https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 17:08.48 | Inocuous | ok. thanks. I had ufw on ubuntu. I ran it on a new install it gives me an empty conf, so not much help for a novice. |
| 17:11.51 | debdog | by default it blocks everything from outside. pretty much what a std. desktop PC needs. |
| 17:14.02 | debdog | it's not 'perfect' but still better than no fw at all |
| 17:26.45 | hellekin | BTW I removed the fancy from files.do to match parazyd's requirements with minimalism ;) |
| 17:27.11 | hellekin | shouldn't cause downtimes anymore |
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| 17:28.22 | hellekin | oh, and we now have 10Gbps files.do mirrors in Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Washington DC, Dallas TX, and San Jose CA, thanks to our friends at leaseweb.com |
| 17:28.45 | debdog | *thumbsup* |
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| 17:30.27 | hellekin | Who should we contact for mirrors in Russia? I'd love to see those sprouting as .ru is quite effervescent regarding Devuan. |
| 17:31.43 | lime_ | moving to devuan ceres, wish me luck |
| 17:31.53 | figlfdev | good luck! |
| 17:31.56 | hellekin | lime_: no luck needed |
| 17:32.09 | figlfdev | (for ceres? maybe a little luck?) |
| 17:32.18 | lime_ | aaye I know |
| 17:32.22 | hellekin | luck is not an engineering concept, so it sould be factored out :) |
| 17:32.32 | lime_ | + 1 |
| 17:32.55 | figlfdev | good luck factoring out luck, hellekin ;) |
| 17:33.27 | hellekin | imagine you're upgrading a kernel and you have only 85% it succeeds. Yuck. |
| 17:33.52 | hellekin | or an SLA announcing 99.999% uptime (if you're lucky). Probably not a good business plan. |
| 17:34.04 | figlfdev | i dont think thats what he meant |
| 17:34.15 | hellekin | of course not, I'm kidding :) |
| 17:34.19 | figlfdev | k :) |
| 17:34.40 | lime_ | seems my kernel builds have a similar build boot rate ;) |
| 17:34.57 | hellekin | hehe |
| 17:35.12 | figlfdev | has 76% battery (less than it sounds like) and no power supply handy-- is relying on luck to stay on right now |
| 17:35.35 | Akuli | for some reason mate-power-manager doesn't want to work with devuan |
| 17:35.39 | lime_ | if only i would be happy with a non-minimal kernel |
| 17:35.43 | figlfdev | when it gets to *somewhere* around 50% ... |
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| 17:35.54 | Akuli | i've made a script that kills and restarts it every 10 seconds and added that as an autorun |
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| 17:37.38 | hellekin | Akuli: mate-power-manager is not in devuan-packages group, so it must come from Debian. Did you have a look at their bug reports for this package? |
| 17:38.05 | Akuli | actually, it's whatever comes with devuan when i choose to get the mate desktop |
| 17:38.08 | Akuli | let me check |
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| 17:39.52 | hellekin | Akuli: there's an active group of Devuan supporters working with Mate. Maybe they have a clue. This might be relevant https://talk.devuan.org/t/anyone-using-the-mate-desktop/153/9?u=hellekin |
| 17:40.45 | hellekin | Akuli: the conversation mentions: "mate-applets and mate-power-manager just need rebuild" |
| 17:40.56 | hellekin | (which sounds a bit weird to me but...) |
| 17:40.58 | lime_ | because gnome 2 |
| 17:41.07 | hellekin | aha |
| 17:41.32 | hellekin | then maybe Devuan should do that. ^^ Centurion_Dan |
| 17:41.48 | figlfdev | which part of devuans setup: sdk, amprolla, jenkins... (i think jenkins) would put new forks of mate-power-manager package together? |
| 17:42.06 | figlfdev | thinks jenkins does the build and amprolla handles the download... doesnt know what the sdk does |
| 17:43.49 | Akuli | mate-power-manager also shows a warning triangle instead of a battery icon in my system tray |
| 17:43.59 | Akuli | so something is wrong with it |
| 17:44.17 | figlfdev | missing icon package? |
| 17:44.28 | Akuli | i doubt it, it's not the standard no-icon icon |
| 17:48.41 | gci_admin | figlfdev, did you see the sign I made with your Death Star reference from earlier this week? :) |
| 17:49.04 | figlfdev | no but im sure id enjoy it |
| 17:49.40 | figlfdev | (and if the laptop shuts off i will see it in the botbot logs) |
| 17:50.51 | gci_admin | figlfdev, https://www.dropbox.com/s/et9okysx7scdsro/2016-06-01%2014.16.58.jpg?dl=0 |
| 17:51.48 | figlfdev | sweet! |
| 17:51.52 | figlfdev | is very flattered |
| 17:52.18 | gci_admin | It was a great quote. Especially if you came up with it yourself. ;) |
| 17:52.52 | figlfdev | i may have subconsciously plagiarized it, like george harrison and "my sweet lord" (hes so fine) |
| 17:53.01 | figlfdev | but i *think* it was mine originally |
| 17:53.23 | figlfdev | i would look it up on the mailing list to be sure. it sounds like something steve litt would say |
| 17:54.26 | Akuli | the battery tray icon looks like this http://pasteboard.co/1pBZYz07.png |
| 17:54.35 | Akuli | that's a screenshot from my laptop |
| 17:56.35 | figlfdev | did a search online, found a book that refers to a star system named "system d" |
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| 17:58.00 | lime_ | going for reboot |
| 17:58.19 | lime_ | see if i nuked the system |
| 17:58.26 | figlfdev | gci_admin: look what i found https://diasp.org/posts/fcd5f3f0fda40133acc4782bcb452bd5 |
| 17:59.25 | figlfdev | and look at the quote from chronos on the right |
| 18:01.58 | figlfdev | just one more: theres this https://securelist.com/blog/research/68750/equation-the-death-star-of-malware-galaxy/ but s/d is only mentioned from a comment |
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| 18:02.15 | figlfdev | so i think credit has to go to the force, this time |
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| 19:00.28 | parazyd | hellekin: also commented on this about the mirrors: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/133 |
| 19:01.15 | parazyd | wontclick: make all the mirrors a round-robin as files.devuan.org |
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| 19:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: so the gitlab .favicon is a genuine problem? |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd expect it to be at very least per installation configurable. after all it can only be a .png or whatever file with easily changeable content |
| 19:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case you need a cronjob to restore devuan's own favicon content every 5 minutes |
| 19:18.32 | hellekin | it's part of their marketing I guess. Anyway any changes made after install may or may not work (I had the login page to work at some point but couldn't reproduce) |
| 19:19.07 | hellekin | yes that could work maybe |
| 19:19.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty rogue approach to intentionally build huirdles to change something like a favicon in a FOSS package |
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| 19:19.32 | hellekin | if someone finds a solution I'll be happy to implement it. Not sure I can spend much time on this. |
| 19:19.42 | hellekin | indeed |
| 19:20.05 | hellekin | the "easy" solution would be to compile from sources. |
| 19:20.31 | hellekin | need to run |
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| 19:35.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't gitlab some sort of ... errr... plugin or whatever, for e.g. apache? How about a rewrite rule? |
| 19:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have NFC how gitlab is implemented |
| 19:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I'm surprised it needs compiling. Would have thought it's python or perl or PHP or whatever |
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| 19:39.20 | muep | aren't at least some parts written in ruby? |
| 19:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm >>If you don't have any plans on upgrade the gitlab (or you don't mind on repeating this process everytime you upgrade) try the following:<< http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26518439/custom-gitlab-login-page Shouldn't this at least be script-able? |
| 19:47.53 | djph | DocScrutinizer05: I would imagine it is, but I've not used the backend at all, so I don't know any additional stuff that one would need to worry about |
| 19:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the answer seems comprehensive |
| 19:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to have acquired a better idea what hellekin meant by "compiling" now |
| 19:54.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | thjough: "from sources"? |
| 19:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought the reference was to >>Since we alter the production server, remember to recompile the assets<< |
| 19:56.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka sudo -u git RAILS_ENV=production bundle exec rake assets:precompile |
| 19:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | also >>...if you work at a company that uses omnibus, consider going for the Enterprise Edition where this process would be more easier and at the same time you support the future development of GitLab << Could Devuan get a (sponsored?) enterprise version? |
| 20:05.27 | Inocuous | I'm coming up empty for a way to stream netflix am I missing something simple? |
| 20:16.36 | djph | Inocuous: last time I tried, I ~needed~ google chrome (and setting HTML5). I don't know if chromium works with the stupid netflix DRM these days. |
| 20:17.43 | gci_admin | Inocuous, Android or Cyanogenmod with Netflix app? :p |
| 20:18.43 | parazyd | djph: for me netflix failed on chromium |
| 20:19.06 | parazyd | it should, because iirc it doesn't include drm handling |
| 20:19.20 | djph | I haven't tried it on Devuan yet, probably will need to grab chrome then. |
| 20:22.25 | parazyd | firefox >=42 could work too |
| 20:22.51 | parazyd | no, >=38 |
| 20:24.48 | parazyd | cc jaromil: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/133 (see my comment) |
| 20:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh anc could somebody pretty please fix that damn gitlab comment editor to _not_ remove linebreaks? that sucks donkeyballs |
| 20:34.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I hit CR I do that for a purpose |
| 20:38.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ((issues/133)) dev-1 also would allow to still reference to top level (aka root, or source) fileserver via files.devuan.org. You can't make that roundrobbing since then where from would the mirrors sync? Right now they all sync to files.devuan.org so you don't want to change that URL to be roundrobbing |
| 20:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | apart from that: full ack |
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| 20:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tries to figure what happens when files.devuan.org actually got randomized. Particularly what does a rsync to own mirror do? |
| 20:45.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh apropos, not all mirrors offer rsync, so this would get even nastier |
| 20:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 20:46.25 | parazyd | maybe just mirror.devuan.org then as a roundrobin? |
| 20:46.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | asee my comment |
| 20:46.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | files.dev-1.org |
| 20:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | already introduced somewhat |
| 20:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw robing is also a word though I can't link its meaning to the purpose ;-) |
| 20:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird enough the round robin has alrready made it to wikipedia |
| 20:52.39 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: roughly, a pool of websites (DNS entries), a round-robin on example files.devuan.org then takes you to one from the pool |
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| 20:52.50 | parazyd | we'll see what happens |
| 20:52.51 | matteo | hi |
| 20:53.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think round robbing means a resource gets robbed from one owner and assigned to another. Dunno if they mean some robes are shared instead or whatever |
| 20:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.df.eu/forum/threads/51392-DNS-LoadBalancing-(round-robbing) |
| 20:57.12 | parazyd | you don't have to own other people's dns. you just input a list of ip addresses |
| 20:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: regarding your explanation, I understood that. What I failed to convey is that this would resultr in self-referencing aka recursive rsync runs on all the mirrors since they use this very URL as master fileserver |
| 20:58.03 | parazyd | it would work for mirrors that offer rsync (like leaseweb), but i am not really sure about http/ftp only |
| 20:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and sorry, I don't follow your last post. Is it related to the URL I posted? I did this only because they spell it "round robbing" - I didn't look at the content |
| 20:59.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: you don't want mirrors to update from a random mirror, you get increasingly unpredictable behavior |
| 20:59.16 | parazyd | unrelated, just saying |
| 21:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | worst case a mirror would update from itself, which obviously makes no sense at all |
| 21:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you want a multy-level update scheme for mirrors, you at very least should use unambiguous URL for the upstream fileserver of each particular mirror, so the update is predictable |
| 21:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | with mirrors updating from a upstream that's a randomized round robbing URL, you could worst case get delays up to a dozen syncs until last mirror has the new version |
| 21:04.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it gets worse with the number of mirrors, since the chance for each mirror to hit the already up-to-date upstream is 1/N for N mirrors |
| 21:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | very interesting mathematical problem |
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| 21:31.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | N=servers total; Updated + Old = N; for first cycle U=1 (files.devuan.org upstream), O=N-1; new Un = O * U / N= (N-1) * 1 / N ~=1; after 1st cycle U=2 |
| 21:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | for N >> 1 |
| 21:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for N=50, U=5, the next cycle Un = 4.5 new updated mirrors, thus N'=50, U'=9, O'=41 |
| 21:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~9 + (41 * 9 / 50) |
| 21:44.49 | infobot | 16.38 |
| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~16 + ( 34 * 16 / 50) |
| 21:45.47 | infobot | 26.88 |
| 21:46.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~27 + (23 * 27 / 50) |
| 21:46.29 | infobot | 39.42 |
| 21:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~39 + (11 * 39 / 50) |
| 21:47.06 | infobot | 47.58 |
| 21:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~48 + (2 * 48 / 50) |
| 21:47.28 | infobot | 49.92 |
| 21:47.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~50 + (0 * 50 / 50) |
| 21:47.53 | infobot | 50 |
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| 21:50.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | statistically mirrors updating from a random mirror would need 8 cycles to propagate a new version to all of them, when N=50 |
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