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| 00:13.22 | Digit | so yesterday i installed devuan on my laptop. today i installed devuan on my big main desktop. and right now i'm trying it out with "deb http://gb.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ unstable main non-free contrib" in /etc/apt/sources.list, though i'm not sure it likes it. |
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| 00:15.20 | djph | "SysTemD is an STD" ... lol, love it |
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| 03:10.43 | Inocuous | fsmithred any thoughts on what to do about this open port we were discussing? I spoke with ISP, they know nothing. Perhaps I should request new hardware? |
| 03:11.09 | fsmithred | did you get into the modem and look around? |
| 03:11.21 | Inocuous | I can't get into it. |
| 03:11.30 | Inocuous | I can look at the router but not the modem |
| 03:11.44 | fsmithred | your google-fu is weak, grasshopper |
| 03:11.59 | fsmithred | google for model and password |
| 03:12.20 | Chanku | hm? |
| 03:12.22 | Inocuous | hmm. Ok. |
| 03:12.51 | fsmithred | I lost the link, but it's a weird password |
| 03:29.02 | Inocuous | I did find a list, unfortunately the model I have was not listed., however all the logins were basically raw, admin admin, or no user specified with admin as password. neither combination works in this case. Perhaps another site. I'll look some more. But even if I got it there, I would have no clue what to look at or what to do. |
| 03:31.32 | fsmithred | you saw this ont? http://nemont.net/DSLModem/bec_5200s.php |
| 03:33.06 | fsmithred | look in Advanced Settings and Access Management |
| 03:39.18 | fsmithred | Inocuous, hard reset, then default password should work. Or ask the ISP if they changed the password. |
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| 03:48.26 | Inocuous | No problem reaching the interface. The password is not a default on that page. I'm hesitant to hard boot the unit. I could end up with no connection I think. |
| 03:53.10 | fsmithred | yeah, get your ISP on the phone if you're going to do that |
| 03:53.30 | fsmithred | but they can figure out if the hardware is fried |
| 03:54.33 | fsmithred | did you get to talk to a real technician? |
| 03:55.15 | Inocuous | I recognize the voice as someone I talked to before. Seemed pretty unconcerned about the whole thing. |
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| 03:56.10 | Inocuous | suggesting it may be another device on the network and not their equipment. |
| 03:56.22 | fsmithred | that's what I'm thinking |
| 03:56.41 | fsmithred | connect computer to modem without router and see if that port is still open |
| 03:57.08 | Inocuous | that's a good idea. |
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| 03:58.07 | fsmithred | then run firewall and see if it's still open, to prove it's not the computer |
| 03:58.26 | fsmithred | only thing left is the modem - if it's the modem, let them send you a new one. |
| 03:59.58 | fsmithred | g'night |
| 04:00.05 | Inocuous | g nite |
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| 09:42.14 | ebisu | I just want to let you guys know that every experience I've had with a Debian/*buntu related distro |
| 09:43.22 | ebisu | I just want to let you guys know that every experience I've had with a Debian/*buntu related distro for the past few years has been horrendous. Apt is the worst package manager ever but I can live with that, but after using Devuan I realized that EVERY other problem I had with Debian was realated to System D. |
| 09:43.28 | ebisu | You guys are really fucking cool |
| 09:43.48 | Chanku | hm? |
| 09:43.56 | Chanku | actually enjoys apt |
| 09:44.12 | ebisu | I mean, I'm probably going to stay a Slackware person as a whole but I'm really enjoying Devuan and I'll probably keep using it until 14.2 comes out (never) |
| 09:44.30 | ebisu | I used to really like Debian a few years ago |
| 09:45.19 | KatolaZ | ebisu: Devuan is still based on apt, though... |
| 09:45.27 | ebisu | I know |
| 09:45.33 | dave24 | ebisu: what are the problems you had with systemd? |
| 09:45.35 | ebisu | I hate apt but I can live with it |
| 09:45.52 | ebisu | I don't really know where to begin |
| 09:46.42 | KatolaZ | ebisu: to do what? |
| 09:47.04 | ebisu | I just wanted a UNIX clone, System D makes everythign needlessly complicated by doing a bunch of stuff it shouldn't be handling |
| 09:47.09 | ebisu | To use my computer |
| 09:47.21 | ebisu | And write shitty software |
| 09:48.39 | KatolaZ | you don't need a unix clone to write shitty software :) |
| 09:48.48 | ebisu | This is true |
| 09:48.56 | ebisu | But I like my UNIX clones |
| 09:49.36 | ebisu | And at least I write my shitty software in C and not in Pyhton or whatever kids are using these days |
| 09:50.08 | KatolaZ | oh I see |
| 09:51.50 | ebisu | Yeah if you wanna write REALLY shitt software use Microsoft(TM) Visual Studio(R) |
| 09:53.21 | golinux | ebisu: systemd hasn't been in Debian for "years". Just since Jessie. |
| 09:54.00 | golinux | There were a few kibs nuck into wheezy though |
| 09:54.13 | golinux | *libs snuck |
| 09:55.22 | KatolaZ | ebisu: you can write shitty software with VI as well, if you want |
| 09:55.34 | KatolaZ | it's not the tool that makes you good or bad |
| 09:56.17 | KatolaZ | there are piles and piles of shit writtend in vi, or ed, for that matter |
| 09:56.30 | KatolaZ | and compiled with gcc |
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| 10:00.46 | Chanku | Hey! I write my stuff in python :| |
| 10:02.06 | Chanku | Although, then again, most of my stuff in just little things I wanna try out and the like... |
| 10:02.11 | Chanku | (And an init and process manager) |
| 10:03.01 | djph | KatolaZ: anyone can write bad code ... VS (or, well, any IDE for that matter) tends to do it for you |
| 10:03.40 | Chanku | doesn't particularly like IDE's a lot (unless you are working with a language like Java...where you need it) |
| 10:04.13 | ebisu | KatolaZ is right. I'm just being spontaneous |
| 10:04.22 | ebisu | I like my emacs |
| 10:04.30 | djph | can even write java in vi(m) ... it's more of a pain (than java already is) |
| 10:04.34 | Chanku | Eh I prefer VIM with a few plugins and a few colorschemes |
| 10:04.46 | djph | I can't emacs ... |
| 10:04.55 | Chanku | I have nearly the exact same setup on my emacs though (with EVIL for sane-keybindings) |
| 10:04.57 | Irrwahn | Chanku: You write an init and process manager in Python? |
| 10:05.06 | Chanku | Yeah |
| 10:05.11 | Chanku | and they work...kinda |
| 10:05.30 | Irrwahn | We're doomed, doomed I say! }:-> |
| 10:05.32 | Chanku | albeit they are more toys than anything else |
| 10:05.37 | Chanku | http://mbn.darknedgy.net/DnE_Labs/SIS |
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| 10:06.30 | Chanku | I am rewriting the process manager though, as I did do some...weird design choices in it (and I'm adding in a bit more customization...) |
| 10:07.09 | Chanku | honestly I would not really suggest using anything there |
| 10:07.13 | Chanku | unless you wanna play around with it |
| 10:07.22 | Chanku | and even then don't do it in anything but a VM |
| 10:08.03 | Irrwahn | I understand it's mostly a toy / proof of concept, but a PID1 that starts with "#!/usr/bin/python3" is ... how hhall I put it ... inventive?! :D |
| 10:08.14 | Chanku | oh? |
| 10:08.20 | Irrwahn | s/hhall/shall/ |
| 10:08.28 | Chanku | what do you mean by that :P |
| 10:08.50 | djph | it's not [.*]sh |
| 10:08.53 | djph | ? |
| 10:08.57 | Irrwahn | You expect /usr to be mounted at the point init is run? |
| 10:09.12 | djph | suppose there's that too |
| 10:09.23 | Chanku | Well on many distros if you have /bin you have /usr/bin |
| 10:09.24 | Irrwahn | And have Py interpreter installed and running? |
| 10:09.28 | Chanku | and yes |
| 10:09.34 | Chanku | otherwise why would you try to run my init :P |
| 10:10.08 | Irrwahn | Lol, touché! :D I wouldn't, though. :> |
| 10:10.12 | LongHairedHacker | btw. the zfsonlinux packages for debian work fine on the devuan beta. You only need to tweak the post install script a little. |
| 10:10.19 | Chanku | but, again, I would suggest running a better init like suckless-init.... |
| 10:10.37 | Irrwahn | Chanku: Now, THAT is sound advice! =) |
| 10:10.48 | Chanku | (I am of the belief that init should only keep the system up, and perform it's minor duties like reaping processes when necessary) |
| 10:11.15 | Chanku | (Although epoch is a solid init, I will give it that, I do disagree with some of it's design choices like mixing a process manager into an init) |
| 10:11.32 | Irrwahn | We're on the same page here, I see. |
| 10:11.32 | djph | Chanku: keeping (some) processes alive too (getty / sshd / other important ones that I'm forgetting ) |
| 10:11.49 | Chanku | that shouldn't be the job of the init djph |
| 10:11.59 | Chanku | ideally it would be the job of a manager to do that |
| 10:12.17 | KatolaZ | djph: IDE do not write code for you, if you don't ask them to do so |
| 10:12.19 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:12.46 | Chanku | the Process Manager would, ideally, run any process you need it to do (and keep it alive if you specify it) while being disconnected from the init |
| 10:13.17 | Chanku | so the Process Manager would probably run a few programs designed to get the system entirely operating, and then start things like getty, sshd, and the like alive (if you wish) |
| 10:13.37 | djph | Chanku: though isn't there a bit of a catch-22 there -- if init needs something to watch over "basic" services , and that "something" dies ... |
| 10:13.48 | Chanku | the init shouldn't need that though |
| 10:14.05 | Chanku | If the init is doing it's job, it should just be reaping processes that it should and keeping the system alive |
| 10:14.37 | Chanku | wait I see what you are saying |
| 10:14.44 | KatolaZ | I don't see it |
| 10:14.54 | KatolaZ | the processa manager can be respawned by init |
| 10:14.55 | Chanku | in that case, I would argue either the system should exit or the init should restart the system |
| 10:14.57 | Irrwahn | djph: in that case the same happens as if init itself died: the system halts. |
| 10:15.02 | KatolaZ | where is the issue then? |
| 10:15.09 | djph | Okay ... doesn't "keeping the system alive" include "keeping an eye on the basic 'these services MUST run' services"? |
| 10:15.12 | Chanku | *restart the manager |
| 10:15.17 | KatolaZ | djph: read above |
| 10:15.28 | KatolaZ | a process manager can be spawned by init |
| 10:15.37 | KatolaZ | and respawned by init again, if it crashes |
| 10:15.50 | KatolaZ | without problems |
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| 10:16.00 | Chanku | It's up to the manager, I would prefer to restart the process manager HOWEVER some may argue to halt the system and that is also a valid approach (as the process manager SHOULDN'T die) |
| 10:16.29 | djph | okay, I think that's what I was trying to get at ... just in a poor manner |
| 10:16.56 | Chanku | however with that the process of shutting off the computer moves to a different process |
| 10:17.27 | Chanku | in this case a clean shutoff would rely on the Process Manager or a program designed to allow one (a 'de-init' if you will :P ) |
| 10:17.38 | KatolaZ | djph, Chanku there is just a little caveat here |
| 10:17.56 | KatolaZ | that you have to decide if your managed processes should be children of init, or of the process manager |
| 10:17.59 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:18.23 | Chanku | ideally the Process Manager. |
| 10:19.02 | djph | currently, (sysv)init ... I've not yet grok'd init systems |
| 10:19.39 | Chanku | Due to the fact that an init, setup in the way I like, would not really know about that process until it came time to reap it. |
| 10:22.00 | Chanku | (And also in the de-init thing I mentioned earlier, I am unsure if make sure the system was in a clean state when shutting down is in the domain of a process manager or if it belongs to a dedicated program like a 'de-init' to follow the principal of "Do one thing and do it well" which I prefer to have my inits follow...especially due to the fact that inits are VERY critical) |
| 10:22.26 | Chanku | (Well not just inits, any program in general when possible) |
| 10:22.27 | LongHairedHacker | To whom it my concern https://gist.github.com/LongHairedHacker/607e46833a6a5b2361aeaa254b2fae72 |
| 10:22.31 | LongHairedHacker | *may |
| 10:42.29 | djph | kind of a noob question -- 'sysctl' is *not* a systemd-dependant thing, right? |
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| 10:44.59 | zdzichu | no |
| 10:45.09 | zdzichu | but systemd-sysctl kinda is part of systemd suite |
| 10:46.01 | zdzichu | sysctl is a rename of davej's powertweak |
| 10:46.17 | djph | ah, that would explain why i deep getting references to systemd |
| 10:47.21 | asbesto | is away: "i'm out" |
| 10:47.25 | djph | have a "wait, I changed swap with some conf file YEARS before systemd ... and now all I find is systemd crap" |
| 10:47.30 | djph | moment |
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| 12:06.57 | Akuli | the allah spammer we had a while ago is now on #ubuntu-mate |
| 12:08.31 | hunger | Akuli: He works his way through the list... |
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| 12:09.02 | hunger | Akuli: I get a highlight whenever he hits a channel I am in. The "There is no hunger" part is annoying. |
| 12:09.42 | Akuli | I haven't read through that part yet, i leave the channel when it starts getting spammed. |
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| 12:40.13 | djph | there is no hunger? but you're right there |
| 12:41.08 | hunger | djph: Yes, I told him that he is inconsiderate, but he did not stop to take any notice. |
| 12:41.23 | hunger | Your average fanatic seems rather rude:-/ |
| 12:41.28 | Akuli | he or it. |
| 12:41.29 | djph | nutters never do |
| 12:41.35 | Akuli | Maybe it's just a spamming bot. |
| 12:42.05 | djph | could be that |
| 12:43.27 | hunger | Then it is a impolite bot. I still count that against its master:-) |
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| 14:48.25 | emninger | Hello to all! |
| 14:51.59 | ksx4system | emninger: hi |
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| 15:18.12 | djph | waa, forgot how "fun" setting up this idiot printerbox for LPR is |
| 15:24.28 | djph | also, 1,000 curses on the gtk devs for moving the config for 'print to lpr' from ~/.gtkrc :( |
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| 15:35.08 | golinux | Can we please take the chit chat over to #debianfork? Thanks! |
| 15:35.50 | furrywolf | you mean the silence? |
| 15:36.02 | MinceR | :D |
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| 15:41.05 | KatolaZ | carries a bag of silence over to #debianfork... |
| 15:43.04 | KatolaZ | was instructed to bring more silence to #debianfork, so here he goes, another full bag... |
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| 15:52.00 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, for my next trick, I'll add uefi support to refractasnapshot. You might want to have a look here - http://refracta.freeforums.org/fix-for-working-uefi-on-refractasnapshot-t493-10.html#p5432 |
| 15:52.20 | KatolaZ | thanks fsmithred |
| 15:52.34 | KatolaZ | I will try your last script (the previous one) tonight maybe |
| 15:52.43 | fsmithred | cool |
| 15:52.50 | KatolaZ | and UEFI support is on the todolist anyway |
| 15:53.06 | KatolaZ | I think somebody posted on the ML on that |
| 15:53.22 | fsmithred | yeah, if someone has a brandy-new computer with uefi they want to donate to the refracta project, I'll accept it. |
| 15:53.43 | KatolaZ | eheheheh |
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| 15:54.13 | KatolaZ | anyway fsmithred |
| 15:54.23 | KatolaZ | I will let you know |
| 15:54.27 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 15:54.29 | KatolaZ | I would like to support both |
| 15:54.39 | KatolaZ | in the minimal live build |
| 15:54.54 | KatolaZ | i.e., loop-mount and injected refractasnapshot |
| 15:56.20 | KatolaZ | I am also fixed a few little things re accessibility |
| 15:56.49 | KatolaZ | and I am testing a little script which beeps during boot until getty becomes available |
| 15:56.59 | KatolaZ | thanks to the suggestions of greg nowak |
| 16:02.24 | fsmithred | what do you want to loop mount? |
| 16:03.31 | KatolaZ | by "loop-mount" I mean the script you sent me |
| 16:03.40 | KatolaZ | the other day |
| 16:03.58 | fsmithred | oh, make a snapshot of a mounted image? |
| 16:04.04 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 16:04.23 | KatolaZ | after all the customisation and stuff has been done properly |
| 16:04.38 | fsmithred | should work ok |
| 16:04.51 | KatolaZ | I am sure it will ;) |
| 16:05.21 | fsmithred | oh, I just had a thought... |
| 16:05.59 | fsmithred | a few years ago, meandean and I experimented with making the snapshot by using mksquashfs directly, but it didn't work |
| 16:06.14 | fsmithred | idea was to avoid having to make a copy of the filesystem on the hard drive |
| 16:06.37 | fsmithred | I'm wondering if it's possible to run rsync and pipe the output to mksquashfs |
| 16:06.59 | fsmithred | so you get to use the excludes list, but you don't have to keep an extra copy of the filesystem |
| 16:07.33 | KatolaZ | that might be possible |
| 16:07.47 | KatolaZ | I remember I did something similar for another live distro |
| 16:07.49 | KatolaZ | back in the days |
| 16:07.58 | KatolaZ | but I don't kremember HOW :D |
| 16:08.21 | fsmithred | I know that feeling. |
| 16:08.26 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:08.39 | KatolaZ | maybe it's just about getting old :D |
| 16:09.11 | golinux | nods. Just wait |
| 16:09.13 | fsmithred | too much stuff in memory |
| 16:11.49 | KatolaZ | golinux: you mean, it will get worse, right? :D |
| 16:12.42 | golinux | Probably ;) |
| 16:13.03 | golinux | Some days I can't remember what I had for b'fast! |
| 16:13.28 | MinceR | It Just Gets Worse |
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| 19:04.51 | fsmithred | is there a security.devuan.org for sources.list? |
| 19:09.59 | golinux | According to my soutces.list: http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main |
| 19:10.11 | golinux | sources actually |
| 19:10.35 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 19:12.10 | fsmithred | is there a deb-src line with that address, too? |
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| 19:12.44 | ksx4system | fsmithred: maybe, I haven't tried |
| 19:12.54 | fsmithred | ok, I'll add it anyway |
| 19:13.28 | ksx4system | worst case scenario is apt telling you that this particular repo is b0rked |
| 19:15.27 | fsmithred | guess I should be using auto.mirror and not us.mirror in the isos I distribute. |
| 19:19.54 | ksx4system | fsmithred: yup |
| 19:20.23 | ksx4system | auto.mirror is great for VPN usage, always the optimal path |
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| 19:25.38 | emninger | Hi. Someone by chance knows where i could get the Devuan logo, best inscalable version? Thanks a lot in advance! |
| 19:27.45 | ksx4system | desktop-base in Devuan's gitlab? |
| 19:28.29 | ksx4system | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base |
| 19:28.38 | emninger | I'd like to use it as button for apps in my jwm tray :) |
| 19:29.10 | ksx4system | then you should already have this on your system |
| 19:29.17 | ksx4system | (or apt-get install desktop-base) |
| 19:29.45 | emninger | where? what's its name, so i can search for? |
| 19:31.27 | ksx4system | emblem-devuan.png (or .icon) |
| 19:33.05 | ksx4system | or here https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/master/icons |
| 19:33.30 | ksx4system | I use this one in XFCE https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/blob/master/icons/scalable/emblems/emblem-devuan-sec.svg |
| 19:35.42 | emninger | Oh, i see. Thanks, but that's not good for me, i've a darkstyle theme. Would something coloured ... ;) |
| 19:36.52 | emninger | I'm on train building my own desktop - based on jwm. Merging a bit crunchbang and Manjaro OpenRC :) |
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| 19:56.41 | emninger | @ksx4system: thanks for your pointers. I ended by copying the devuan gitlab log and coloured the disk background differently, to have a contrast to darkgray. It's fine, i think ... ;) |
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| 20:14.55 | golinux | It's also here: https://devuan.org/ |
| 20:15.27 | golinux | fsmithred: Typed that earlier and forgot to hit enter |
| 20:15.51 | fsmithred | typed what? |
| 20:16.10 | golinux | Where to get a list of sources |
| 20:16.18 | golinux | on the website |
| 20:16.18 | fsmithred | oh, YOU forgot to hit enter |
| 20:16.22 | fsmithred | I thought you meant me |
| 20:16.40 | fsmithred | and I was trying to think what I typed in here that should have gone somewhere else |
| 20:16.56 | fsmithred | I did once type my root password into a chatroom by mistake |
| 20:17.09 | golinux | Oh boy |
| 20:17.30 | fsmithred | too bad, I like that one. |
| 20:17.34 | fsmithred | liked |
| 20:19.36 | golinux | Check your msg |
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| 20:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not voiced |
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| 20:50.09 | gci_admin | strains to talk ... notices his voice is missing ;) |
| 20:50.24 | Chanku | :\ |
| 20:50.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 20:51.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | gci_admin: you still are heard loudly and very clear |
| 20:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | devuan has no user classes |
| 20:51.54 | gci_admin | I was just making a joke, DocScrutinizer05. :) |
| 20:52.03 | golinux | sees DocScrutinizer05 has run amok! |
| 20:52.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 20:52.21 | golinux | It does look better though. |
| 20:52.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I fixed some amok done by somebody else |
| 20:54.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | now who was that stupid sod spamming the chan? |
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| 20:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody please share the join/leave of greg_____ ? |
| 20:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | protip: /mode #devuan +q greg_____ |
| 20:57.31 | MinceR | or just put all his nicks, accounts and hosts on akick :> |
| 20:57.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 20:57.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: do you have the join/leave? |
| 20:58.10 | MinceR | probably |
| 20:58.19 | MinceR | but it's buried under a ton of other stuff :> |
| 20:58.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have all join/leave on ignore, sorry |
| 20:58.28 | MinceR | 25 041022 -!- greg_____ [~greg@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit Quit: leaving |
| 20:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! |
| 20:58.36 | MinceR | 25 031845 -!- greg_____ [~greg@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #devuan |
| 20:58.47 | MinceR | 25 041112 -!- cyr [~cyr@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #devuan |
| 20:58.53 | MinceR | 25 041148 -!- cyr [~cyr@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit Client Quit |
| 20:58.53 | MinceR | 25 043510 -!- fizz_buzz [~fizzbuzz@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #devuan |
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| 20:59.02 | MinceR | that's what /lastlog could dig out :> |
| 20:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks lijke a sure +q on hostmask |
| 20:59.22 | MinceR | :) |
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| 20:59.41 | MinceR | until he joins/parts, putting fragments of messages in his nick |
| 20:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
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| 21:01.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh [BanList:#devuan] *!*@24-140-229-49.cpe.teksavvy.com set by fsmithred on 2016-05-25 Wed 04:35 |
| 21:01.14 | *** mode/#devuan [-o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
| 21:01.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why it doesn't work :-P --- already accomplished XP |
| 21:01.51 | MinceR | :) |
| 21:02.06 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, what's the problem? |
| 21:02.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing, you already took care :-) |
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| 21:02.41 | fsmithred | that's not your IP address, I hope. |
| 21:02.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehew no |
| 21:03.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dispise IP bansd, but for a few days... |
| 21:03.14 | Chanku | He also joined another a different IP address |
| 21:03.21 | Chanku | and also messaged me in query a few times |
| 21:03.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | then chanops take care of that too :-) |
| 21:03.31 | fsmithred | yeah, he pm'd me, too |
| 21:03.43 | Chanku | he wanted to know what other channels I'm on |
| 21:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 21:03.49 | fsmithred | omg |
| 21:04.06 | Chanku | what? |
| 21:04.08 | fsmithred | here's my home phone number, too, so you can harass me in the middle of the night |
| 21:04.16 | Chanku | ? |
| 21:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Chanku: we just wonder how mad thjat guy really is |
| 21:04.35 | Chanku | yeah |
| 21:04.43 | fsmithred | Chanku, were you able to have a normal conversation with him? |
| 21:04.57 | Chanku | not really |
| 21:04.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | did you even try? you shouldn't |
| 21:05.04 | fsmithred | I tried. |
| 21:05.08 | Chanku | No I just let him spin his wheels |
| 21:05.21 | Chanku | If you want I can provide some logs :P |
| 21:05.26 | fsmithred | well, I tried to explain to him what he was doing wrong. |
| 21:05.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | however, a +q is usually way better than a +b |
| 21:05.35 | fsmithred | as briefly as possible |
| 21:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | +b makes them try to evade |
| 21:06.00 | fsmithred | using gui here, so it's all clicky |
| 21:06.14 | fsmithred | I think I might have banned him under one or two nicks |
| 21:06.25 | fsmithred | then I saw 'kick' and knew what to do with it. |
| 21:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, alas my komnversations also has no +q context menu |
| 21:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 21:06.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think he's gone |
| 21:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | when he comes back, please highöight me, I feel like BOFH ;-D |
| 21:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly that train ride an hour ago with 46 tunnels during 59 minutes made me a little mad ;-) |
| 21:09.17 | fsmithred | anyone got a debian jessie with apt-file installed? I need a search. |
| 21:09.42 | fsmithred | or... is there a command to show me what files come with a package? |
| 21:09.50 | fsmithred | other than apt-file |
| 21:10.18 | Chanku | what do you mean exactly by: "what files come with a package" |
| 21:11.23 | fsmithred | when you install a package, it puts files on your computer. apt-file will tell you what all of them are for a given package. |
| 21:11.34 | fsmithred | but apt-file does not work in devuan yet |
| 21:11.48 | fsmithred | ok, where do I find bios.bin after I install ovmf? |
| 21:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote: sorry I didn't handle this spammer right away, but I was abroad the last 3 days |
| 21:13.14 | fsmithred | nextime was here |
| 21:13.19 | Chanku | yeah |
| 21:13.27 | fsmithred | and passed the baton to golinux and me |
| 21:13.34 | fsmithred | ok, I found my answer |
| 21:15.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems we're a strong army against next spammer now :-D |
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| 21:17.45 | fsmithred | I turned in my guns the next morning. |
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| 21:18.19 | fsmithred | If you want to give me a key to the gun cabinet, I will use it responsibly. |
| 21:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh indeed, you're not on ACL |
| 21:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: duly noted |
| 21:19.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got no +f |
| 21:19.58 | fsmithred | what's that? |
| 21:20.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | ACL edit |
| 21:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also not supposed to have that |
| 21:21.54 | fsmithred | too much power? |
| 21:22.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, too many +f already ;-) |
| 21:23.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's jaromil's channel, I don't strive after chanop powers, I offered to help but when I have no +f then I'm fine with that |
| 21:24.18 | fsmithred | this uefi stuff is kicking my ass |
| 21:24.53 | fsmithred | I have no reality check. |
| 21:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather you should kick UEFI's ass, eh? |
| 21:27.03 | fsmithred | I would like that. |
| 21:27.30 | fsmithred | I'm going to make a uefi-compatible iso, and then try to talk people into testing it for me. |
| 21:27.46 | fsmithred | needs minions |
| 21:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 21:28.20 | ksx4system | fsmithred: I can test it on ICS (only UEFI-based computer I have) |
| 21:29.54 | fsmithred | cool, thanks! I'll post a link here and probably on mailing list when I get one that's presentable. |
| 21:30.01 | fsmithred | shouldn't be long. |
| 21:37.09 | gci_admin | fsmithred, I could test it in an EFI VM on VirtualBox here. |
| 21:37.38 | fsmithred | ok, thanks. I can do that here, but it's good to have confirmation. |
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| 21:38.57 | gci_admin | Well, I *could* do it on bare metal, but that would mean destroying my FreeBSD EFI install on my system. ;) |
| 21:39.20 | fsmithred | no, no! There's no efi-compatible installer on this. |
| 21:39.24 | fsmithred | just live CD |
| 21:40.19 | gci_admin | Ha! Okay, |
| 21:40.21 | fsmithred | just want to know if it boots |
| 21:40.46 | gci_admin | I can boot a disk/USB stick in my system to check it then. |
| 21:40.50 | fsmithred | not sure about usb. It is isohybrid, but you might need to customize it |
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| 21:41.51 | fsmithred | see this: http://refracta.freeforums.org/fix-for-working-uefi-on-refractasnapshot-t493-10.html?sid=979a0b37adbc00bd1398c12d1ce53870#p5434 |
| 21:43.02 | gci_admin | Saw it. Cool.. |
| 21:43.04 | fsmithred | dzz probably didn't image the usb stick directly with isohybrid. More likely, it's a multi-boot usb. First partition is normal fat32, so it's possible to plug the stick into a running system and edit the contents. |
| 21:43.31 | fsmithred | so it just needs isolinux directory in the root |
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| 21:43.57 | fsmithred | maybe I'll make one up and then dd to .img file |
| 21:44.35 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 23:45.34 | fsmithred | ksx4system, gci_admin here's link to iso and md5 file http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/refracta/testing/refracta8_nox_amd64_uefi_test-20160526_2310.iso http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/refracta/testing/refracta8_nox_amd64_uefi_test-20160526_2310.iso.md5 |
| 23:46.24 | fsmithred | and anyone else who would like to test a live-CD on uefi hardware to see if it boots. iso is around 350MB |
| 23:46.36 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 23:57.38 | Inocuous | hello folks |
