| 00:21.55 | Inocuous | it sounds like yoiu are talking about something I need help with DocScrutinizer05 |
| 00:22.20 | Inocuous | my sound just stopped working partway through VLC video. |
| 00:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | blame polypaudio ;-) |
| 00:23.22 | Inocuous | the sound just cut out. I restarted alsa-utils, is that the right thing? |
| 00:23.33 | Inocuous | well, it appears not. |
| 00:24.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | err alsa-utils is probably not a process you could restart |
| 00:24.20 | Inocuous | under stats it just shows a ? : service --status-all |
| 00:24.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually alsa has no separate processes, unlike PA |
| 00:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/init.d/alsasound restart might help |
| 00:27.45 | Inocuous | hmm. I don't seem to have an alsasound |
| 00:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly highly distro specific |
| 00:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aplay -l and aplay -vv some-sound.wav should already give a few hints |
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| 00:31.56 | FNTM-U3 | could I install eudev in devuan? |
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| 00:33.10 | Inocuous | it looks like a reboot or logout or something. I thought drivers could be restarted. oh well. |
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| 00:38.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: http://susepaste.org/8591064 |
| 00:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe that's a tad like "RTFM" and doesn't really help you. But it at least gives an idea that (and how) alsa could get "restarted" |
| 00:40.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: a grep -r alsactl /etc/init.d/ might help though |
| 00:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you got /etc/init.d/ at all, on your system |
| 00:44.35 | Inocuous | well, I have a full devuan install. |
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| 00:55.09 | FNTM-U3 | bluness; could i install and use eudev effectively on devuan? |
| 00:55.14 | FNTM-U3 | and hi |
| 00:56.11 | ksx4system | FNTM-U3: not using dpkg (apt-get) but most likely it is possible |
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| 01:07.24 | Inocuous | that takes hardware boot to fix. |
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| 01:14.39 | FNTM-U3 | ksx4systemx; No i would build and compile it my self. the question is this. Would It |
| 01:14.50 | FNTM-U3 | ksx4systemx; No i would build and compile it my self. the question is this. Would it do any good indevuan? |
| 01:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | /me found a possible reason why Poettering started to think about "better" system init that can handle misbehaving processes better ;-) >> # kill pulseaudio before muting the system (bnc#499445);\n if killall -q -TERM pulseaudio; then usleep 200; fi; << (from /etc/init.d/alsasound X-P ) |
| 01:34.54 | Chanku | What? |
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| 01:37.46 | FNTM-U3 | guys; I created a wheel group (system group and named it wheel) and added wheel stanza to visudo. then added my own user to group wheel |
| 01:38.17 | FNTM-U3 | but; still sudo sasy I am not a sudoer and the incident will be reported |
| 01:38.27 | FNTM-U3 | what should I do? |
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| 01:46.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: http://susepaste.org/62878395 maybe that helps. sorry I don't know anymore where from I got this |
| 01:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Chanku: when an initscript needs a sleep after a killall, then this is a hint that something about the killed process is fishy |
| 01:48.20 | Chanku | Oh? |
| 01:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not? |
| 01:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | FNTM-U3: did you re-login? |
| 01:50.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | FNTM-U3: id |
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| 01:56.34 | ksx4system | FNTM-U3: If I were you I'd just wait until eudev is available in repository and openly supported by Devuan. |
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| 02:08.56 | FNTM-U3 | how could i start/add to boot an init script in devuan? |
| 02:11.02 | SuicideJunkie1 | Hrm. I'm getting a hash sum mismatch from ca.mirror.devuan.org/merged/pool/debian-security/updates/main/libr/libreoffice/... |
| 02:17.33 | SuicideJunkie1 | Is that merely unfortunate, or somewhat horrifying? :) |
| 02:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: ^^^ |
| 02:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suspect the md5sum is not for the recent version, maybe some update delay? |
| 02:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 02:25.10 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
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| 02:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | SuicideJunkie1: just try again later |
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| 02:50.46 | SuicideJunkie1 | righto |
| 03:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure my explanation makes sense. Anyway... nextime is the person to ask |
| 03:10.46 | Irrwahn | DocScrutinizer05: there has been updates to libreoffice a few hours ago IIRC, so it could very well make sense that it's a transient amprolla effect |
| 03:11.00 | Irrwahn | s/has/have/ |
| 03:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Irrwahn: what puzzles me is there's a version on each file in http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-all/Packages.gz |
| 03:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so would they update libreoffice without changing the version? |
| 03:14.18 | Irrwahn | what if Packages.gz is already updated, but not all the packages it carries the versions for? |
| 03:14.25 | Irrwahn | (or vice versa) |
| 03:15.23 | Irrwahn | I think I had similar transients with only debian repositories in the past, no amprolla involved (long before devuan) |
| 03:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I have only a foggy idea how that apt stuff works at all |
| 03:16.07 | Irrwahn | ditto :D ... I'm just guessing here :P |
| 03:17.46 | Irrwahn | but it IMHO would make sense, since it deems unlikely to get each and every file updated at the very same microsecond |
| 03:20.48 | Irrwahn | Anyway, in such cases I usually try to strictly follow rule #1: Don't Panic! ;^) |
| 03:24.08 | SuicideJunkie1 | Code ETOOMUCHMAGIC |
| 03:28.15 | Irrwahn | Well, there are limitations in this universe that cannot be circumvented by any amount of magic, be it arbitrarily large or infinitesimal small. |
| 03:29.09 | Irrwahn | So I call EPHYSICSRULESOK ;^) |
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| 10:50.37 | jaromil | happy to report one of the most wonderful set-top box tv software out there, kodi.tv, works flawlessly in Devuan if installed from their repository |
| 10:58.15 | crhylove | I have a bug report: nestopia just crashes over and over when I try to load a rom. |
| 11:08.31 | crhylove | m64py also hard crashes the second I try to load a rom. |
| 11:08.50 | crhylove | higan won't even open. |
| 11:09.06 | crhylove | Anyone got an emu that DOES work in Devuan yet? |
| 11:09.22 | jaromil | i havent' tried. do you have more insights on the crashes? we need the logs |
| 11:10.00 | jaromil | investigate where the crash comes from, i'd be sort of surprised to discover is due to some changes in devuan, however lets see |
| 11:16.00 | crhylove | zsnes works so long as I don't pick an openGL render path. |
| 11:16.09 | crhylove | So must be openGL related? |
| 11:21.36 | crhylove | zsnes works perfectly in full screen with the filter in this mode: I'll call it a win. :) |
| 11:24.57 | crhylove | 60/60 in every game. Beautiful. |
| 11:25.47 | Irrwahn | crhylove: RE OpenGL - you may want to check, if your currently installed graphics driver actually supports OpenGL, if the behavior changes if you swap a free driver for a proprietary one (or vice versa), etc. - depending on your current setup, graphics hardware, vendor, yadda-yadda-yadda |
| 11:26.29 | crhylove | I'm using an old dell d830 laptop. No special drivers. |
| 11:28.02 | Irrwahn | Does running glxinfo produce any sensible output? Does glxgears work, or does it fail/crash? |
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| 11:29.02 | Irrwahn | (Iff you actually need to have GL working, that is. Looks like you worked around your initial problem already. :-) |
| 11:29.16 | crhylove | neither command works and apt install glxinfo says Unable to locate package. |
| 11:29.45 | crhylove | But yeah, I can play Super Mario All Stars... |
| 11:29.54 | crhylove | But not Mario Kart 64... |
| 11:30.03 | crhylove | Which is a pretty important rom... |
| 11:30.30 | Irrwahn | The package for the glx tools is named mesa-utils |
| 11:33.50 | Irrwahn | if apt-get update; apt-get install mesa-utils pulls in a whole bunch of stuff, that might serve as a hint that you probably had not GL drivers installed to begin with |
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| 21:08.47 | crhylove | Anybody done DVR backup to a cloud provider like Amazon or Google? |
| 21:08.55 | crhylove | This client is driving me nuts. |
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| 21:48.06 | crhylove | https://talk.devuan.org/t/opengl-getting-your-gaming-on-without-the-d/316 |
| 21:48.23 | enyc | crhylove: not me, i've heard of 'owncloud' setups however |
| 21:50.22 | crhylove | Yeah, I'm going to have to go with something custom and local, and make "offsite" a building across the yard or something. |
| 21:50.38 | crhylove | These people don't understand S&$t about bandwidth. LOL |
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| 22:12.38 | ksx4system | crhylove: just bill them more for their ignorance :) |
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| 22:22.55 | crhylove | ksx4system, Yeah, I do the same. :D |
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| 22:47.48 | crhylove | Irrwahn, http://pastebin.com/yt2BQqe6 |
| 22:47.55 | crhylove | Thanks, btw! |
| 22:51.22 | Irrwahn | crhylove: You're welcome. Looks okay to me. At least we now know you got OpenGL support available. Still unclear to me, why your emulators seem unwilling to work with it. Do they print specific error messages? |
| 22:51.46 | crhylove | Video: SSE processing enabled. |
| 22:51.47 | crhylove | Video: Found ROM 'DR.MARIO 64', CRC 134d9d76fe3f23da-45 |
| 22:51.47 | crhylove | Video: Enabled hacks for game: 'DR.MARIO 64' |
| 22:51.47 | crhylove | Video: Initializing OpenGL Device Context. |
| 22:51.47 | crhylove | Video: Using OpenGL: Intel Open Source Technology Center - Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM : 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2 |
| 22:51.47 | crhylove | Segmentation fault |
| 22:52.09 | crhylove | Pretty much the same story on any opengl app. |
| 22:53.12 | Irrwahn | Hm. That's odd. Glxgears works? |
| 22:55.25 | Irrwahn | crhylove: I somehow suspect it's only indirectly related to OpenGL. |
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| 22:57.22 | crhylove | No, glxgears also seg fault. |
| 22:57.26 | Irrwahn | Oh, just saw your edit in discourse. |
| 22:57.56 | crhylove | :) |
| 22:58.21 | crhylove | Gotta be something missing... :/ |
| 22:58.38 | Irrwahn | Yeah, sounds like the actual graphics driver might be borked. |
| 22:59.28 | Irrwahn | But at that point I am way beyond the area I call my knowledge. :/ |
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| 23:00.13 | Irrwahn | Do you have a free or a proprietary driver installed? (Provided there is one for your hardware.) |
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| 23:08.45 | crhylove | No. This is an old dell laptop with no special hardware. |
| 23:08.56 | crhylove | It's a dell d630. Stock. |
| 23:09.04 | crhylove | latitude |
| 23:11.21 | Irrwahn | Yeah, but the Intel(R) 965GM graphics hardware reported by glxinfo needs some kind of driver, doesn't it? Otherwise you'd only get some crappy Vesa text console, I'd guess?! |
| 23:12.01 | furrywolf | I think intel tends to just work. |
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| 23:12.38 | Irrwahn | Work without any kernel driver? I highly doubt that. |
| 23:14.09 | Irrwahn | If it seems to "just work", that only means there is some driver already in the kernel tree. But that does not necessarily mean you can do fany opengl stuff with it. Or does it? Now I am confused. |
| 23:14.54 | furrywolf | if I remember right, intel was one of the companies that decided to actually contribute, unlike, say, nvidia, and the kernel and mesa should have good drivers for most of their stuff. |
| 23:15.16 | Irrwahn | Hm, I see. |
| 23:16.37 | furrywolf | so everything crashes, even glxgears? |
| 23:18.05 | Irrwahn | That's what crhylove reported, yes. |
| 23:18.40 | furrywolf | there's a good chance that's a mesa driver bug, then. |
| 23:20.34 | furrywolf | anything in dmesg or the xorg log that might be relevant? |
| 23:20.51 | Irrwahn | crhylove: ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 23:21.21 | crhylove | goes to look at some logs. |
| 23:22.10 | furrywolf | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?component=Drivers%2FDRI%2Fi965&product=Mesa&resolution=--- there's 19 open segfaulting bugs there... heh. |
| 23:22.28 | crhylove | Looks like I stumbled on one. :D |
| 23:23.16 | crhylove | " /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't show anything. |
| 23:23.30 | furrywolf | does dmesg show anything? |
| 23:24.25 | crhylove | Looks like I need to be root to tail -f dmesg... |
| 23:24.41 | furrywolf | dmesg | tail -f... |
| 23:25.20 | crhylove | Doesn't show anything when I glxgears. |
| 23:25.42 | crhylove | neither does dmesg.0 |
| 23:25.49 | furrywolf | so it's probably something in the mesa half of it instead of the kernel half of it, then. |
| 23:26.39 | Irrwahn | Hm. what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have installed? |
| 23:26.47 | crhylove | " /var/log/messages shows: |
| 23:26.58 | crhylove | May 22 16:26:05 mate kernel: [480226.168739] glxgears[8084]: segfault at 1f8 ip 00007fa3bd30ce4f sp 00007ffc7ec87870 error 4 in i965_dri.so[7fa3bcfb7000+51e000] |
| 23:27.16 | furrywolf | well, now you know where it's crashing! |
| 23:27.38 | crhylove | Who/How do I "officially" report it? |
| 23:28.07 | Irrwahn | I dug up a bug report where is mentioned that a similar bug went away after updating xserver-xorg-video-intel to the version from jeaasie-backports |
| 23:28.10 | furrywolf | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?component=Drivers%2FDRI%2Fi965&product=Mesa&resolution=--- I believe. |
| 23:28.33 | furrywolf | yes, you might try the testing/unstable versions to make sure it hasn't already been fixed. |
| 23:32.50 | Irrwahn | Ah, the good ol' times when the human-machine interface was an actual teletype ... |
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| 23:35.47 | furrywolf | google finds a remarkable number of similar crashes, but all in 2014. is debian's version really that old? hrmm |
| 23:36.49 | furrywolf | "October 24, 2014. Mesa 10.3.2 is released." |
| 23:37.03 | furrywolf | definitely try backports/testing/unstable versions. |
| 23:39.21 | AlexLikeRock | old = REAL STABLE |
| 23:39.57 | AlexLikeRock | ubuntu stable = DEBIAN UNSTABLE |
| 23:41.15 | Irrwahn | libdrm-intel1 |
| 23:41.18 | Irrwahn | argh |
| 23:41.47 | Irrwahn | libdrm-intel1 in jessie is of 05 Oct 2014 |
| 23:41.59 | AlexLikeRock | how its going transsition from debian to DEVUAN ? |
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| 23:44.21 | Irrwahn | xserver-xorg-video-intel in jessie is of 28 Aug 2013 |
| 23:45.24 | furrywolf | yeah, some backports or testing packages might be a very good idea. |
| 23:46.02 | Irrwahn | agrees |
| 23:46.37 | furrywolf | when searching for that particular segfault, google seems to only find results up to 2014. |
| 23:46.47 | furrywolf | so a 2015 or later version would be a good idea |
| 23:48.22 | Irrwahn | One of the reasons I tend to stay on testing, accepting the risk of occasional breakage |
| 23:50.04 | Irrwahn | anyway, it's getting late here, gonna get some sleep |
| 23:50.09 | Irrwahn | \o |
| 23:51.02 | furrywolf | cyas |