| 00:04.29 | flrn | if you mean the init: yes, as long as you don't pull it in from a debian mirror. |
| 00:07.34 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.09 | MinceR | if you tell apt to remove it, does it want to take something with itself? |
| 00:08.11 | MinceR | OS77 |
| 00:08.16 | MinceR | disregard that |
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| 00:18.41 | flrn | just noticed, that i had a lingering systemd-shim and finally even got rid of that annoying cgroup manager :) |
| 00:19.21 | MinceR | :) |
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| 00:35.44 | golinux | flrn: Yeah, I got rid of the shim a while ago. |
| 00:39.07 | flrn | did you find what's clinging to libsystemd0, golinux? |
| 00:40.09 | golinux | When I try to remove it it wants to take stuff like avidemux, vlc, dvdstyler for starts |
| 00:41.43 | golinux | ffmpeg, gimp, smplayer yada, yada |
| 00:42.33 | flrn | where did you get avidemux from? |
| 00:43.59 | golinux | I got the gtk version (which is no longer supported) from wheezy repos. |
| 00:44.14 | golinux | The Qt version is terrible |
| 00:44.45 | flrn | gimp, smplayer and libavtools as well as ffmpeg i have installed, but no vlc. |
| 00:44.53 | golinux | The don;t even have a crossfade anymore . . . |
| 00:45.51 | golinux | I'm still doing most of my media editing on squeeze. |
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| 00:46.08 | golinux | But set this up on devuan to play around with |
| 00:48.45 | flrn | i'm not too much into media stuff, so i can do the most on the cli... |
| 00:49.40 | flrn | i remember desperately looking for a version of avidemux, but don't remember for what |
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| 01:56.52 | jfl | Hello, again |
| 01:57.50 | jfl | Things are looking up. I am so happy to be done with systemd. I feel as though I've got the NSA out of my machine. |
| 01:58.31 | jfl | I read a lot about OpenRc and vdev ... are they available via apt-get? |
| 01:58.41 | jfl | I guess I could just look, eh? |
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| 02:07.56 | flrn | !vdev |
| 02:08.15 | qmr | ... the NSA is linked to systemd ? |
| 02:08.39 | MinceR | yes |
| 02:08.41 | flrn | qmr: NASA |
| 02:08.51 | MinceR | the NSA is a major client to red hat, which controls and develops systemd |
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| 02:19.35 | Inocuous | MinceR, I strongly suspect that systemd is compromised, but I've never really heard of actual proof. |
| 02:20.14 | Inocuous | that's why I'm using Devuan, because it's quite likely. |
| 02:25.10 | golinux | MinceR: I thought that nsa was responsible for selinux |
| 02:25.56 | MinceR | they are |
| 02:26.01 | golinux | not systemd |
| 02:27.21 | MinceR | well, it hasn't been proven yet that the NSA was directly responsible for systemd, afaik |
| 02:28.09 | MinceR | but it seems highly likely that they at least support the idea of pushing a big bloated hairball with poor QA and code review to every computer running Linux |
| 02:28.30 | MinceR | especially if it's controlled by a corporation they can easily influence |
| 02:28.57 | golinux | I'm sure that makes them happy to have Lennart et al creating such swiss cheese |
| 02:29.42 | golinux | this is getting a bit OT |
| 02:31.12 | MinceR | there was also this: http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/17/nsa-asked-linus-torvalds-to-install-backdoors-into-gnulinux/ |
| 02:31.27 | MinceR | makes sense that they'd try something like systemd after that failed |
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| 02:36.48 | Inocuous | thanks for the link MinceR |
| 02:37.06 | MinceR | yw |
| 02:38.08 | qmr | MinceR: Inocuous: pretty sure Torvalds has said he was joking about that |
| 02:39.04 | MinceR | possibly to avoid being assassinated |
| 02:39.33 | Inocuous | I understood the possiblity of a compromised systemd by NSA or some other group, to be part of the reaseon for Devuan development. is that wrong? |
| 02:39.56 | MinceR | dunno, ask a VUA :> |
| 02:40.15 | MinceR | systemd can be compromised even without the NSA being involved, at any rate |
| 02:40.57 | MinceR | we might not be entirely sure _why_ systemd is the way it is, but we know it is the way it is |
| 02:41.03 | MinceR | and that's sufficient to want to avoid it |
| 02:41.09 | Inocuous | I agree. |
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| 02:55.01 | jfl | hello |
| 02:55.58 | jfl | I installed OpenRC, and it seems to work. On startup it says something about an unresolved dependency |
| 02:56.41 | jfl | but I cannot find the message in the logs. It only lasts for a few seconds on the screen. |
| 02:57.46 | jfl | The note that came up after installation said I could archive the contents of rc.d? Where does OpenRC keep its stuff? |
| 02:59.47 | jfl | As well, both iceweasel and icedove are crashing ... not just themselves but the whole system. |
| 03:00.39 | jfl | I get various death screens, have to power down and restart the system. Used to happen with debian jessie as well |
| 03:01.30 | jfl | but not as consitently as it's doing now. Feels like a windows box. Rebooted at least a half-dozen times in the past hour. |
| 03:02.54 | jfl | This is not fun. I cannot find any account of a similar problem on the net. I'm assuming its got to do with my ~10 year old nvidia chip. But who knows/ |
| 03:03.54 | jfl | I have a browser open now ... I'm afraid to open the icedove. I'll try to find out what's up with OpenRC. |
| 03:04.14 | jfl | If anyone can help on either of these counts, much appreciated/ |
| 03:07.43 | MinceR | maybe iceweasel crashes the nvidia driver via webgl? just guessing |
| 03:07.50 | MinceR | notsure how icedove would do that though |
| 03:07.57 | Inocuous | If you are using 10 year old hardware, it might be time to upgrade. Just a thought. |
| 03:10.26 | MinceR | or maybe cpu load goes up, some electrical components get stressed and/or heat up and hw crash results |
| 03:13.39 | Inocuous | what WN/Desktop are you using jfl? |
| 03:14.00 | Inocuous | I have heat issues with WM that are processor heavy. |
| 03:14.36 | Inocuous | YOu might try monitor the cpu temp |
| 03:15.01 | MinceR | indeed |
| 03:15.15 | MinceR | or check for dust in the case/fans/ducts :> |
| 03:16.20 | jfl | MinceR, wheezy never had a problem. Crashes almost immediately on startup, The mouse freeze, no window ever appears. Icedove or ice weasel, both the same. |
| 03:17.08 | MinceR | weird |
| 03:17.23 | MinceR | i'm dealing with weird qemu freezes nowadays |
| 03:17.34 | MinceR | typically when i do history search (^R) |
| 03:17.36 | jfl | If they run they're 'fine' ... but if I click on a url in an email or another non-broweer application the crash happens as well, whether iceweasel is runnin or not at the time. |
| 03:18.13 | MinceR | vm limited to 1 core suddenly runs at 100% on 2 cores, entering "stop" in qemu command line results in command line not writing prompt ever again |
| 03:18.25 | jfl | Inocuous,, xfce |
| 03:18.57 | Inocuous | yeah. me too. there is a sensor prg on the menu. that might be something to check but, sounds more like driver issues to me |
| 03:20.03 | jfl | Inocuous, I agree. But can find nothing on it on the web. |
| 03:21.41 | jfl | coretemps are 39 to 43 C |
| 03:21.55 | Inocuous | that sounds good, that's where I am on mine. |
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| 04:27.27 | jfl | On OpenRC ... |
| 04:27.34 | jfl | I found /etc/rc.conf, and changed 3 lines : |
| 04:27.41 | jfl | rc_logger="YES" # login is off by defualt |
| 04:27.50 | jfl | rc_verbose=yes # I know from nothing so I'll see what I can learn |
| 04:28.00 | jfl | unicode="YES" # because that's what I like |
| 04:28.09 | jfl | apparently the way to set per service options is via |
| 04:28.24 | jfl | \/etc/conf.d/<service> |
| 04:28.36 | jfl | files similar to this global one |
| 04:28.46 | jfl | I'll let you know what I find out. I'll just wait until iceweasel or icedove crashes my system and see what's in |
| 04:28.54 | jfl | rc_log_path="/var/log/rc.log" |
| 04:29.02 | jfl | when I reboot. |
| 04:36.12 | jfl | I lucked out here ... |
| 04:36.15 | jfl | With OpenRC, volume management services for block storage devices are no longer run automatically at boot. This includes LVM, RAID, swap, device-mapper (dm), dm-crypt, and the like. System administrators must ensure the appropriate initscript for these services has been added to the boot runlevel, otherwise it is possible the system will not be able to boot. |
| 04:36.26 | jfl | ... none of the above. |
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| 07:22.40 | Akuli | heeeeelp |
| 07:23.06 | Akuli | i have too many primary partitions on a dualboot system, how can i flag my windows partition as non-primary, or should i even do that? |
| 07:23.34 | Akuli | or should / and /home be logical?? |
| 07:25.21 | DusXMT | Akuli: It doesn't matter much whether a partition is logical or primary; and no, you can't "mark a partition as primary" afaik, one thing you might try is recreating the partition table with the same partitions at the same offsets/sizes but of different types, though I don't guarantee that windows will boot after that |
| 07:25.49 | Akuli | ok |
| 07:25.59 | Akuli | how about using logical partitions for / and /home? |
| 07:26.06 | DusXMT | Akuli: I see no problem in that |
| 07:26.30 | Akuli | Ok :) |
| 07:26.30 | DusXMT | The logical partitions are just a way to overcome the "anicent DOS" 4 partition limit |
| 07:26.42 | Akuli | Alright |
| 07:26.44 | Akuli | lets do this then :) |
| 07:28.44 | DusXMT | has his devuan system all in logical partitions - dual (tripple) booting as well. |
| 07:29.49 | DusXMT | You might also decide to opt for the GPT partition table (instead of the DOS MBR partition table), that removes this primary/secondary confusion and allows for gigantic partitions |
| 07:30.23 | DusXMT | s|secondary|extended/logical| |
| 07:35.20 | DusXMT | Fun fact: The way the BSDs do multi-partitioning in a cross-platform way is that they have a single platform-specific partition, eg. an MBR primary partition, which is called a disk slice, and they cut up this slice into different partitions, eg. /boot, /usr, /home, swap, etc. using what they call a disklabel, so they have their own kind of logical partitions =3 |
| 07:36.23 | Akuli | Seems like the installer doesn't know how to create logical partitions. |
| 07:36.37 | DusXMT | Akuli: How many partitions do you have already? |
| 07:36.44 | Akuli | 3 |
| 07:36.58 | DusXMT | huh.. Is the second one logical? |
| 07:36.58 | Akuli | windows partition, some little 100MB piece of crap, and a swap |
| 07:37.06 | Akuli | only the swap is logical |
| 07:37.24 | Akuli | and the free space here is at the beginning |
| 07:37.27 | DusXMT | Because I recall that if you do a primary partition after a logical one in d-i, it can't create another logical one |
| 07:37.51 | Akuli | does it help if i remove the swap and do that again? |
| 07:38.16 | DusXMT | Akuli: You can try |
| 07:39.04 | Akuli | Just a moment |
| 07:39.10 | Akuli | let me take a pic of what i have so far |
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| 07:41.26 | Akuli | i used to have a cable for plugging my phone to my computer, but seems like i don't have anymore... |
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| 07:42.29 | DusXMT | Akuli: You can get "Primitive FTPD" from the f-droid repo and use sftp to get data off of it via network, is more convenient imho |
| 07:42.49 | DusXMT | (f-droid is a repo of free software for Android) |
| 07:43.25 | Akuli | Not a smartphone |
| 07:43.29 | DusXMT | Oh, I see |
| 07:43.38 | Akuli | and i won't get a smartphone until i can install a sysvinit-based system on it |
| 07:45.05 | DusXMT | Theorethically, it should be possible on most phones where you can replace the OS image... though the problem will most likely be getting X to work, and wifi |
| 07:45.20 | DusXMT | (or even doing IO at all) |
| 07:45.23 | Akuli | right :D |
| 07:45.37 | Akuli | mate would probably be customizable enough for getting a decent panel layout |
| 07:47.07 | Akuli | Kind of a mess but you can see it http://pasteboard.co/Uy3A98y.jpg |
| 07:47.24 | Akuli | "looginen" means logical and "ensisij." means primary |
| 07:48.20 | DusXMT | Is there no "new partition" option? |
| 07:48.34 | Akuli | Selecting a partition will edit it |
| 07:48.47 | Akuli | the highlighted one is empty space, so that'd create a new one |
| 07:49.03 | DusXMT | And what happens when you click that? |
| 07:49.08 | Akuli | enter :D |
| 07:49.18 | Akuli | I can make one partition, but not two |
| 07:49.21 | DusXMT | or [CR] |
| 07:49.29 | Akuli | HEHE |
| 07:49.32 | Akuli | now that works |
| 07:50.16 | Akuli | I remade the swap |
| 07:50.30 | Akuli | and i was able to make that logical |
| 07:50.56 | Akuli | but didn't work, the space in the beginning can still be used as primary only :( |
| 07:52.08 | DusXMT | Akuli: Ah, now I see what you're trying to do. Logical partitions need a continuous extended partitions that they are to be put into, keyword: continuous |
| 07:52.27 | Akuli | so all logical ones first, then the rest? |
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| 07:52.41 | DusXMT | Usually last, but yes |
| 07:52.51 | Akuli | I only have 2GB after the win partitions |
| 07:52.59 | Akuli | which used to be swap, but i guess i'll leave that empty |
| 07:53.23 | DusXMT | Then ignore the 2gb free space at the end and use the free space at the beginning :) |
| 07:53.34 | Akuli | Yes, that's what i'm doing |
| 07:53.50 | Akuli | In which order should i put /, /home and swap? |
| 07:53.59 | DusXMT | It doesn't matter afaik |
| 07:53.59 | Akuli | / first, then /home, then swap? |
| 07:54.06 | Akuli | Right. it doesn't |
| 07:54.24 | Akuli | I was just thinking if there's a good practice for that |
| 07:54.52 | Akuli | Now i see how this works |
| 07:54.54 | Akuli | thanks!! |
| 07:55.17 | DusXMT | Theorethically, you could talk about seek times and how to optimize your layout for the shortest possible seek times, but unless you have a database that needs the best possible performance, it shouldn't matter much |
| 07:55.23 | DusXMT | Akuli: No probs~ |
| 07:55.42 | Akuli | Nice :) |
| 07:57.23 | Akuli | Now i have 50GB /, 841GB /home, 2GB swap, some 104MB windows crap, 104GB windows and 2 GB free space. |
| 07:57.35 | Akuli | Nice :) |
| 07:59.09 | DusXMT | Akuli: If it's a portable computer, you could also think about setting up an encrypted LVM, so incase someone steals your machine they won't be able to get to your stuff |
| 07:59.37 | Akuli | I don't have anything that secret :) |
| 08:00.00 | DusXMT | Akuli: Passwords in the web browser are one thing that's very easily abused |
| 08:00.07 | Akuli | And besides, most people i work with don't know much about linux anyway |
| 08:00.18 | Akuli | DusXMT, i agree about that |
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| 08:47.35 | Youbi | Hello, Iâm a total noob on cross-compiling, is there a guide to build ffmpeg on my arm box running Devuan? |
| 08:58.38 | Akuli | Hehe i can chroot to / :D |
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| 09:24.11 | enyc | Youbi: hummmmm do you need cross-compiling anyway? etc |
| 09:24.53 | enyc | Youbi: if you have a working box on which you anwnat to run ffmpeg, just compile and run it on that? |
| 09:25.30 | enyc | Youbi: also, i notice debian jessie-backports contains ffmpeg *anyway*, it may be their backports binary packages will just do the job ... |
| 09:26.43 | Youbi | enyc: ow great, a binary package is just what I need ^^ |
| 09:27.00 | Youbi | Iâm addin backports to my source file |
| 09:27.58 | Youbi | But is it possible that I break my devuan by adding a debian repository? |
| 09:29.26 | Akuli | Add the repository, install your stuff, remove the repository :) |
| 09:29.43 | Akuli | Then you can run apt-get upgrades again. |
| 09:29.51 | Youbi | Oh, thanks for the tip :) |
| 09:37.32 | enyc | Youbi: yes, you don't want to mix packages generally, but if certain debian packages don't bring in an yproblematic dependencies, thats' fine temporarially |
| 09:37.53 | enyc | Youbi: also note ''cross-building'' is normalyl only for the 'core' debian build environment |
| 09:38.31 | enyc | Youbi: typcially a real archituceture machine or a qemu-chroot is used to build general packages for some architucture |
| 09:44.47 | Youbi | Oh, ok. The âcrossâ part was a bit obscure to me ^^ |
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| 11:15.09 | Akuli | Can someone help with installing nitroshare? |
| 11:16.00 | Akuli | It needs libunity9 but it's not in devuan's source. How should i install it= |
| 11:16.00 | Akuli | ? |
| 11:18.55 | KatolaZ | what is nitroshare? |
| 11:19.09 | Akuli | It's a simple program for transferring files |
| 11:19.27 | Akuli | But anyway, i got everything installed, i just downloaded the libunity9 ubuntu package :D |
| 11:19.33 | DusXMT | Akuli: sftp/scp is even simpler :) |
| 11:20.11 | DusXMT | and if that's not enough, sftp:// in most file browsers (nautilus, thunar, k-something) |
| 11:20.13 | Akuli | But why can't i remove iceweasel and icedove? |
| 11:20.17 | Akuli | Removing one installs the other |
| 11:20.27 | KatolaZ | you can also use yafc, if you want to avoid some of the idiosyncracies of sftp/scp |
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| 11:21.01 | KatolaZ | Akuli: there might be some package which depends on www-browser |
| 11:21.09 | Akuli | I have chromium |
| 11:21.12 | KatolaZ | some installed package |
| 11:21.40 | KatolaZ | then it might be news-reader |
| 11:21.52 | KatolaZ | or imap-client |
| 11:22.06 | Akuli | "Virtual packages like 'news-reader' can't be removed" |
| 11:22.10 | KatolaZ | eh |
| 11:22.12 | KatolaZ | you see |
| 11:22.22 | Akuli | same for imap-client |
| 11:22.31 | KatolaZ | oh no |
| 11:22.34 | KatolaZ | I am saying |
| 11:22.45 | KatolaZ | that you have some package XYZ |
| 11:23.06 | KatolaZ | which requires the feature "news-reader" or "www-browser" or "imap-client" |
| 11:23.22 | KatolaZ | or one of the features provided by iceweasel/iceape |
| 11:23.28 | Akuli | let me check rdepends |
| 11:24.04 | Akuli | umm how can i grep the output so that it includes only lines that are also in some other output? |
| 11:25.13 | KatolaZ | Akuli: what happens if you apt-get remove --purge iceape? |
| 11:25.23 | KatolaZ | are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 11:25.29 | Akuli | apt-get |
| 11:25.43 | KatolaZ | Akuli: what happens if you apt-get remove --purge iceape? |
| 11:26.02 | Akuli | iceape? |
| 11:26.04 | KatolaZ | it should tell you why it needs to install iceweasel |
| 11:26.07 | KatolaZ | whatever |
| 11:26.15 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 11:26.17 | KatolaZ | icedove |
| 11:26.31 | Akuli | wait... |
| 11:26.40 | KatolaZ | so it's mail-reader |
| 11:26.56 | Akuli | mate-desktop-environment suggests icedove |
| 11:27.15 | KatolaZ | well, suggests.... |
| 11:27.16 | Akuli | and mail-reader... |
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| 11:27.29 | KatolaZ | so apt-get should ignore it |
| 11:27.50 | KatolaZ | unless you are automatically installing also suggested packages |
| 11:28.33 | Akuli | I removed mate-desktop-environment and installed mate-desktop-environment-core |
| 11:28.44 | Akuli | now i'll install all the stuff autoremove would remove, we'll see if this works |
| 11:29.14 | KatolaZ | I am not sure I follow you... :) |
| 11:29.26 | Akuli | it still wants to install iceweasel... |
| 11:31.46 | Akuli | xul-ext-mozvoikko has some weird depends |
| 11:32.19 | Akuli | Now i got everything removed. |
| 11:32.22 | Akuli | Great. |
| 11:32.22 | DusXMT | If you're installing xul-ext-* stuff, then it will probably want a mozilla-based browser :) |
| 11:33.11 | Akuli | Alright, time to move my files back to the laptop :) |
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| 11:51.28 | devil_ | download server lives up to its name. it's doen (for me) |
| 11:51.34 | devil_ | down even |
| 11:52.10 | Akuli | Which repository should i add to install compiz? Ubuntu 14.04's repos? |
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| 11:55.37 | DusXMT | According to https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian , epositories that can create a FrankenDebian if used with Debian Stable: Ubuntu, Mint or other derivative repositories are not compatible with Debian! |
| 11:56.28 | DusXMT | thought compiz was meant to impress windows users =3 |
| 11:58.21 | Akuli | I like compiz |
| 12:00.18 | DusXMT | I'd personally rather compile it than to use a binary package for a different system - but even compiling had its quirks, in particular, it's good to stage-install compiled packages and get a list of installed files using that, so they can later be removed/upgraded |
| 12:00.28 | DusXMT | s/had/has/ |
| 12:00.38 | Akuli | i don't want that |
| 12:00.57 | DusXMT | on the same page, it recommends this: https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall |
| 12:02.41 | Akuli | That seems nice |
| 12:04.18 | muep | one could use the deb sources to rebuild the thing on the other OS |
| 12:04.36 | DusXMT | good point, ^ |
| 12:05.12 | Akuli | I don't want to build it, because i already know installing the dependencies would be a real mess |
| 12:05.20 | muep | for compiled programs, it would provide at least some confidence on the APIs used in the program being available |
| 12:06.00 | muep | if you build the deb package sources instead of plain upstream source, you can use just the package manager for the deps |
| 12:08.30 | Akuli | I think i'll add an ubuntu source, download all the dependencies, remove the ubuntu source and install |
| 12:12.37 | Akuli | not as easy as i thought it'd be... |
| 12:13.12 | enyc | Akuli: that can work, it just depends on the version and compatible denepdencies as you say |
| 12:13.26 | DusXMT | you're making a frankendevuan... It's your system, so I won't complain from now on, but trust me, you will run into a lot of trouble |
| 12:13.48 | enyc | DusXMT: i really think this entirely depends on the package verision |
| 12:13.50 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: I agree with you |
| 12:14.10 | KatolaZ | IMHO, the best way to use a Debian-derived system is to stick with one repo :) |
| 12:14.29 | KatolaZ | the only exception being dmo |
| 12:14.32 | Akuli | DusXMT, i just noticed that. generally i'm not too arfaid of mixing things as long as i know where they go and i can come back and remove them, but this attempt was just too messy. |
| 12:14.42 | Akuli | didn't install anything yet. |
| 12:14.47 | enyc | KatolaZ: depneds if teh package you want is in there =) |
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| 12:15.12 | enyc | Akuli: exactly |
| 12:15.15 | DusXMT | doesn't even trust 3rd party packages - they're a great way to show that "even Linux can get viruses" |
| 12:15.26 | KatolaZ | well, it's easier to compile and repackage by yourself, than mixing things up, IMHO :) |
| 12:16.33 | Akuli | i get this from apt-get install compiz http://termbin.com/8ew6 |
| 12:16.49 | Akuli | which is what this wiki page suggests https://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 12:17.11 | DusXMT | It's been removed in wheezy |
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| 12:21.26 | Akuli | But if i'd build compiz from source how could i install all the dependencies? |
| 12:21.47 | enyc | Akuli: case by case basis |
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| 12:22.01 | enyc | Akuli: ofte,n get the build deps for those and their source too =) |
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| 12:22.18 | Akuli | from where? |
| 12:22.28 | enyc | Akuli: get evyrthing possible out of devuan itself |
| 12:22.48 | enyc | Akuli: only get extra soruces from outside when package isn't there, etc. |
| 12:26.04 | Akuli | and its not |
| 12:26.23 | Akuli | well, i did install geany and python 3.5 from source because i wanted newer versions of them |
| 12:29.12 | enyc | Akuli: beware in *some* circumstances the frankenstien-mix whatever ... CAN be a proble .. sometimes you are better off with chroot's or virtual machines for different versions/tools |
| 12:30.18 | Akuli | Yes, the python is all in my home folder and i know where geany got installed |
| 12:48.54 | Akuli | That was a lot of work |
| 12:49.12 | Akuli | and i still dont have all the dependencies... |
| 12:49.14 | Akuli | time to go to eat |
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| 13:11.04 | flrn | hopes not to be too annoying while improving his irc experience^^ |
| 13:11.38 | Akuli | No problem :) |
| 13:11.43 | Akuli | |
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| 13:46.34 | flrn | Akuli: seems I finally got it :) |
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| 13:56.32 | TwistedFate | It's a shame that no one is seeding the torrent :( |
| 13:58.19 | premoboss | TwistedFate, what torrent? |
| 13:58.28 | TwistedFate | premoboss, Devuan torrent |
| 13:58.33 | premoboss | I AM doing |
| 13:58.39 | premoboss | not complete |
| 13:58.44 | premoboss | only x86 |
| 13:59.13 | premoboss | and AMD64 |
| 13:59.15 | Leander256 | there are a lot of seeders |
| 13:59.29 | premoboss | the iso of CD. i have nto whope torrent cose of size. |
| 14:01.04 | TwistedFate | Oh, I think I know why it didn't work |
| 14:01.06 | TwistedFate | I had a proxy |
| 14:01.17 | TwistedFate | Btw, which version would you recommend CD or DVD? |
| 14:01.53 | Akuli | CD |
| 14:02.03 | Akuli | I didn't even know there's a DVD version :) |
| 14:02.16 | DusXMT | always uses netinst ;) |
| 14:02.31 | TwistedFate | Akuli, There is :D Meh, I just put DVD to download, it will be done soon. |
| 14:03.00 | Akuli | Ok :) |
| 14:03.10 | DusXMT | waste of bandwidth, imho; unless you plan on deploying the system on several machines |
| 14:03.12 | Akuli | If you have DVD's and a writing drive then sure |
| 14:03.31 | TwistedFate | No, just a single virtualbox. |
| 14:03.56 | DusXMT | the netinst (~200MB) will do just fine in that case |
| 14:03.58 | TwistedFate | I don't use optic anymore, only USB memory sticks |
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| 14:13.23 | MachinaeWolf | Alright so it hates my ~/.xinitrc but if I login as regular user on lightdm it loads up right no lockup |
| 14:14.22 | MachinaeWolf | What do I need to set so my touchpad enables with tap = click as well? It's only letting me use the touchpad button clicks as clicks |
| 14:15.02 | Akuli | MachinaeWolf, your desktop environment's settings should have an option for that |
| 14:15.08 | Akuli | at least MATE has |
| 14:15.14 | MachinaeWolf | well this is i3wm lol |
| 14:16.00 | DusXMT | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Frequently_used_options |
| 14:18.31 | MachinaeWolf | ok thanks |
| 14:18.47 | MachinaeWolf | Is there a set of things you can set lightdm to autoload for you? |
| 14:19.21 | DusXMT | MachinaeWolf: how about ~/.xsession? ~/.xinitrc is for startx from what I remember |
| 14:19.39 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
| 14:19.57 | DusXMT | 's ~/.xsession: exec /bin/sh -l $HOME/.xinitrc |
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| 14:20.50 | DusXMT | gets launched and loaded by XDM at least; dunno about lightdm |
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| 14:21.26 | DusXMT | never quite had the need to migrate from xdm :) |
| 14:24.05 | MachinaeWolf | ah |
| 14:25.21 | MachinaeWolf | Is something extra needed to control fn volume keys? |
| 14:25.39 | MachinaeWolf | my fn brightness keys worked automatically |
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| 14:32.00 | MachinaeWolf | running synclient with any options I get Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 14:34.04 | enyc | MachinaeWolf: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 14:34.39 | MachinaeWolf | I have it installed it shows |
| 14:34.44 | enyc | MachinaeWolf: hrrm you presumabbly must haev installed otherwise you wouldn't have /usr/bin/snynclient |
| 14:34.49 | enyc | /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/trouble-shooting.txt.gz |
| 14:38.26 | MachinaeWolf | checking |
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| 14:48.32 | MachinaeWolf | Well the docs are for 2.x kernel but I don't see it saying LoadModule: "synaptics" it does mention synaptics though |
| 14:51.51 | enyc | hrrm not sure =) |
| 14:52.03 | enyc | i could only suggesh making careful comparisyts to what ohoppens with other OS livecds etc etc |
| 14:52.13 | enyc | compare kernel and xserver logs etc etc |
| 14:52.26 | enyc | see if gsynaptics or other 'graphical' tool orks where 'synclient' doesn't and all the rest of it |
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| 14:53.45 | MachinaeWolf | apt-cache search can't find that one |
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| 14:57.30 | enyc | MachinaeWolf: check via packages.debian.org for debian versions at least |
| 14:58.26 | enyc | ok so in wheze ythere was a gpointing-device-settings ;p |
| 14:58.32 | enyc | but not in jessie, apparently! |
| 14:58.33 | enyc | puzzzle |
| 14:59.46 | MachinaeWolf | well xfce4-mouse-settings didn't help lol |
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| 15:01.09 | golinux | Akuli: As to using other repos . . . Take a look at this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=114130 |
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| 15:01.56 | golinux | is just getting caught up with the scrollback |
| 15:06.25 | Akuli | "Et tu, StackExchange?" |
| 15:06.27 | Akuli | funny :) |
| 15:06.52 | Akuli | "Another one bites the dust:" |
| 15:13.31 | MachinaeWolf | oh yeah do I need to install some flash player things for that to work right? |
| 15:14.06 | Akuli | for what to work? |
| 15:14.22 | MachinaeWolf | youtube and other flash videos etc |
| 15:14.58 | flrn | "(It) isn't broken. It just keeps mutating!" |
| 15:15.05 | MachinaeWolf | I see at least 3 |
| 15:15.09 | flrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.13 | Akuli | You don't need flash for youtube |
| 15:15.26 | Akuli | it uses html5 nowadays |
| 15:15.39 | MachinaeWolf | well some videos don't |
| 15:15.45 | flrn | cclive |
| 15:15.56 | DusXMT | MachinaeWolf: For those, you can always youtube-dl |
| 15:16.25 | flrn | cclive ~= youtube-dl |
| 15:16.31 | MachinaeWolf | anywho there's flashplugin-nonfree , pepperflashplugin-nonfree, and browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash |
| 15:16.47 | Akuli | Are you sure you need it? |
| 15:17.04 | Akuli | If you need, apt-cache show them and read their descriptions |
| 15:17.53 | DusXMT | And get ready for the amazing security holes that Flash will provide you with :) |
| 15:18.35 | MachinaeWolf | lol |
| 15:19.28 | MachinaeWolf | hmm no sound on youtube vids but I have alsa |
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| 15:21.47 | MachinaeWolf | and soundcloud needs some plugin, it's failing to load songs on purpose |
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| 15:31.50 | MachinaeWolf | but more importantly how do I get multilib/multiarch setup so I can use 32bit versions of stuff? |
| 15:33.09 | Akuli | sudo dpkg --add-architechture i386 |
| 15:33.10 | Akuli | i think |
| 15:33.10 | Inocuous | MachinaeWolf, did you figure this out? I've had that 2 or 3 times. I think it happens when the sliders are adjusted manually |
| 15:33.37 | MachinaeWolf | let me check alsamixer |
| 15:34.38 | MachinaeWolf | nope still doesn't work |
| 15:35.20 | Inocuous | I had to reboot if I remember correctly. It seems to get confused on which device it needs to send sound to, the headphone or the speaker, at least for me. |
| 15:35.33 | MachinaeWolf | weird |
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| 15:36.00 | Inocuous | I haven't used the ear buds for a while and it hasn't come back. |
| 15:37.02 | Inocuous | I tried stopping and restarting alsa with no change. |
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| 15:42.55 | Inocuous | I lost my backlog. Oh well. |
| 15:44.42 | MachinaeWolf | yeah I have sound, just not on firefox... |
| 15:44.55 | MachinaeWolf | just tested and confirmed with mpv |
| 15:45.07 | ksx4system | Inocuous: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
| 15:48.48 | MachinaeWolf | well no sound on iceweasel to be exact |
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| 15:51.14 | ksx4system | MachinaeWolf: does it work on real Firefox (latest version preferably)? |
| 15:51.31 | MachinaeWolf | haven't tried yet |
| 15:51.49 | ksx4system | try it, 38.x Firefox/Iceweasel is kind of outdated |
| 15:52.04 | DusXMT | seriously doubts it's that |
| 15:52.19 | DusXMT | MachinaeWolf: How about html5 audio/video, does at least that work? |
| 15:52.29 | MachinaeWolf | video yes, audio no |
| 15:52.32 | golinux | MachinaeWolf: You might also want to see if there's anything about missing sound over at mozillazine |
| 15:52.37 | ksx4system | MachinaeWolf: do you have pulseaudio malware installed? |
| 15:52.37 | DusXMT | That should use gstreamer as its av backend |
| 15:53.10 | MachinaeWolf | lol no I have alsa, well it wouldn't let me remove one pulse library but alsamixer doesn't show pulse anymore :) |
| 15:53.23 | MachinaeWolf | so should all be alsa running |
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| 15:55.15 | ksx4system | MachinaeWolf: yup, it's not PA then |
| 15:58.10 | MachinaeWolf | I have gstreamer0.10-alsa , gsteamer1-.0-libav , gstreamer1.0-plugings base , gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 , libgstreamer0.10-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 installed |
| 15:58.20 | MachinaeWolf | Maybe I should install ffmpeg too? |
| 15:58.35 | MachinaeWolf | hmm already is |
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| 16:05.54 | MachinaeWolf | ksx4system: tried actual firefox from site, still no sound on youtube |
| 16:06.35 | MachinaeWolf | and soundcloud isn't working either |
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| 16:11.40 | golinux | MachinaeWolf: You might want to check the mozallazine forum. Some Linux users there (but mostly buntards) |
| 16:11.55 | MachinaeWolf | lol |
| 16:12.00 | Inocuous | buntards. haha. nice |
| 16:12.47 | Inocuous | I had to install flash on iceweasel to get streams on youtube, html worked for most things but not streams |
| 16:19.11 | MachinaeWolf | alright so sound works on youtube in chromium |
| 16:19.53 | MachinaeWolf | yeah soundcloud works like it should too |
| 16:20.06 | MachinaeWolf | But firefox uses less ram though doesn't it? |
| 16:21.03 | Wizzup | it does |
| 16:21.28 | MachinaeWolf | alright time to check the firefox forum |
| 16:24.45 | Inocuous | woot woot Chromium! |
| 16:25.32 | MachinaeWolf | I like it in general better, just more ram than firefox |
| 16:26.02 | Inocuous | that may have been he real answer to my problem too. I made a change to Chromium about the same time. |
| 16:26.24 | Wizzup | I prefer firefox for privacy and freedom reasons |
| 16:28.30 | Inocuous | firefox didn't go well at first on Ubuntu 16 for me. |
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| 16:42.32 | MachinaeWolf | and my mouse cursor disappeared for some reason :o |
| 16:42.52 | MachinaeWolf | it's i3wm so I can navigate but I'd like it back |
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| 16:52.44 | MachinaeWolf | nvm external hdd was slightly on touchpad... |
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| 16:55.38 | MachinaeWolf | Is there no i386 package of playonlinux? I can see playonlinux in the repo though but I can't apt-get install playonlinux:i386 |
| 17:00.24 | Lieke | no, there is only a playonlinux for every arch |
| 17:01.05 | MachinaeWolf | well if it lets you use the x86 wine versions that's fine |
| 17:08.34 | MachinaeWolf | works, woot |
| 17:12.21 | MachinaeWolf | Will this give me some issues? https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/ |
| 17:12.34 | MachinaeWolf | their repo says stable and I'm running testing repos |
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| 17:44.06 | MachinaeWolf | Does anyone have a guide for installing spotify and steam on devuan? |
| 17:44.58 | MachinaeWolf | the regular .deb from the sites have unmet dependencies jockey and zenity that can't be installed without jockey |
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| 17:48.46 | MachinaeWolf | Should I try cdeboostrap and bootstrap a debian system, I think those 2 programs work fine on debian...? |
| 17:53.47 | Alca | Does Devuan have any official support for Linux-libre or other kernels in general? |
| 17:56.16 | Irrwahn | MachinaeWolf: steam has its own repos: |
| 17:56.20 | Irrwahn | deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam |
| 17:56.20 | Irrwahn | deb-src [arch=amd64,i386] http://repo.steampowered.com/steam/ precise steam |
| 17:58.02 | MachinaeWolf | But should I add that? Would it work? |
| 17:58.38 | Irrwahn | At least it works for me, FWIW. |
| 17:59.05 | Irrwahn | Standard disclaimer for suing 3rds party repos applies, as always. |
| 17:59.13 | Irrwahn | S/suing/using/ |
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| 18:00.23 | MachinaeWolf | so in sources.list add deb http://repo.steampowered.com/steam precise steam ? |
| 18:00.37 | MachinaeWolf | or add that [arch] bit too? |
| 18:00.59 | Irrwahn | That's what I did. However, I should add I'm using testing (ascii). Not sure if that makes a difference. |
| 18:01.10 | DusXMT | feels like some people are rather looking for #ubuntu |
| 18:01.10 | MachinaeWolf | same I'm on ascii |
| 18:01.15 | Irrwahn | that arch bit too |
| 18:01.19 | MachinaeWolf | ok |
| 18:01.33 | Artemis3 | as far as i know it works fine with debian jessie so it should |
| 18:02.15 | Irrwahn | DusXMT: In case you're referring to me: I don't. :P |
| 18:07.22 | MachinaeWolf | well can't use those repos Irrwahn signature couldn't be verified no pubkey |
| 18:08.01 | Irrwahn | Ah, that should be available from the steam site, but I'd have to look it up. |
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| 18:11.13 | Irrwahn | MachinaeWolf: should be: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys B05498B7 |
| 18:11.30 | Irrwahn | If g00gle didn't betray me ... |
| 18:12.16 | MachinaeWolf | Well I found this https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/864956554993222774/ if that's good? |
| 18:12.37 | MachinaeWolf | heh that quit message |
| 18:12.48 | Irrwahn | :) |
| 18:13.15 | Irrwahn | That page looks ok-ish to me, but I cannot verify in any way right now. |
| 18:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | steam and nosystemd, suuure |
| 18:20.16 | Irrwahn | There is a connection between the two? |
| 18:20.32 | Irrwahn | If so, I'd like to be enlightened. |
| 18:21.02 | MachinaeWolf | DocScrutinizer05: that does indeed work, I had steam on gentoo no biggie |
| 18:21.06 | MachinaeWolf | had to use an overlay but it worked |
| 18:21.20 | MachinaeWolf | and I didn't have systemd installed on that install |
| 18:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 18:21.52 | MachinaeWolf | man my wifi likes to auto kill on me and then I have to /etc/init.d/networking restart ... |
| 18:21.59 | MachinaeWolf | then it goes back |
| 18:22.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I wouldn't dare to run stuff like steam on anything but a VM |
| 18:24.12 | Irrwahn | Tbh, I wouldn't dare to connect a computer to the internet. Alas, well, how shall I put it? /sarcasm |
| 18:24.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or let me put it this way: I'd rather hand over control over my machine to systemd and friends than to a commercial enterprise like steam |
| 18:25.07 | MachinaeWolf | lol |
| 18:26.55 | Irrwahn | My 0.257 ct: I'd rather not maintain a false sense of security in the 21st century. YMMV etc. etc. |
| 18:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | aha |
| 18:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's related how? |
| 18:28.07 | Irrwahn | IOW: I have neither the time nor the knowledge to audit any single line of code that runs on my machine, whatever the source, and however credible it may be. |
| 18:28.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why the heck you care about devuan? |
| 18:29.34 | Irrwahn | Why wouldn't I? Systemd simply does not work as advertised, has no benefits for me, but has a lot of disadvantages. |
| 18:29.48 | MachinaeWolf | cheers |
| 18:30.00 | Irrwahn | See, I'm not the religious type, and never will become one. |
| 18:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, you're aware that unlike systemd and devuan, for steam *nobody* can review and audit any single line of code? |
| 18:30.51 | MinceR | yeah, play free software games instead |
| 18:31.01 | Irrwahn | Like xlennart. |
| 18:31.05 | Irrwahn | :X |
| 18:31.12 | MachinaeWolf | omg games must be trying to shut your system down cause they totally hate linux |
| 18:31.17 | MachinaeWolf | wut??? wut |
| 18:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're *completely* missing the point |
| 18:32.06 | MachinaeWolf | the point is you don't like valve? |
| 18:32.06 | Irrwahn | I get your point. It's simply not my POV. |
| 18:32.44 | MachinaeWolf | I don't think they're trying to bring down linux systems... |
| 18:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | is puzzled abiout this amount of... wel, nevermind |
| 18:33.10 | MachinaeWolf | that would be counter-productive to porting games to linux or even having athat option |
| 18:33.16 | MachinaeWolf | that* |
| 18:33.30 | MachinaeWolf | and they would lose some business |
| 18:33.38 | MinceR | or like xonotic |
| 18:33.50 | Irrwahn | DocScrutinizer05: Taken to the extreme, I'd suggest you rip out any hardware part that has closed source firmware on it out of your computer. |
| 18:33.56 | MachinaeWolf | anywho steam games aren't evil man, it's ok |
| 18:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, they don't, neither does lennart poettering. But they don't give a shit about your system, your privacy, and your interestes, they only care about making money from you |
| 18:34.12 | Irrwahn | Then you're really safe. And using an abacus, which is a fine invention btw. |
| 18:34.14 | MachinaeWolf | yoink adios mobo Irrwahn XD |
| 18:34.24 | Irrwahn | ;) |
| 18:34.32 | MachinaeWolf | lmao |
| 18:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | Irrwahn: try harder, you can troll better I'm sure |
| 18:35.06 | Irrwahn | Nobody except myself gives a shit about my system, just like nobody gives a shit about me. That's how this world works, and I accepted it. |
| 18:35.19 | Irrwahn | who's trolling now? |
| 18:35.23 | MachinaeWolf | ^ woot lol |
| 18:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | still extremely poor |
| 18:35.44 | MachinaeWolf | we don't need rich trolls, oh wait Donald Trump XD |
| 18:35.46 | MachinaeWolf | runs |
| 18:35.58 | MachinaeWolf | I mean we don't need him just saying... |
| 18:36.35 | MachinaeWolf | getting back on topic, it's a bit concerning to have to run /etc/init.d/networking restart ... |
| 18:36.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? doesn't steam do that for you? |
| 18:37.19 | MachinaeWolf | DocScrutinizer05 has lost it |
| 18:37.28 | MachinaeWolf | and btw this is before installing steam... |
| 18:37.33 | MachinaeWolf | it isn't even installed |
| 18:37.36 | Irrwahn | MachinaeWolf: That is indeed very strange. Is there any indication in the system logs? |
| 18:37.46 | MachinaeWolf | goes check |
| 18:38.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks a little about "let's install this app too, it's the latest hottest shit and I don't care what it does" |
| 18:39.43 | MachinaeWolf | well I'm not sure if this is when I have to run network restart or not but dmesg has iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0 wlan0: disabling HT as WMM/QoS is not supported by the AP |
| 18:41.21 | Irrwahn | Not sure what that means *exactly*, but it doesn't *appear* to me that'd be the reason. |
| 18:41.43 | MachinaeWolf | well iwlwifi is the wifi driver and wlan0 is the interface name |
| 18:43.24 | Irrwahn | I could tell that much, but simply disabling a feature shouldn't drop a connection, IMHO. |
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| 18:44.34 | Irrwahn | However, a web search for the message (modulo the IDs, ofc) brings up several threads from several forums of several distros that look related. |
| 18:45.06 | Irrwahn | Maybe that might help to find the root cause. I'm not an expert on wifi, sadly. |
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| 19:00.17 | golinux | wonders if the moon is full |
| 19:00.43 | Inocuous | the sun is full right now. |
| 19:00.56 | Irrwahn | First quarter, full moon on May 21st. ^^ |
| 19:01.05 | golinux | nope. but be some other causation |
| 19:01.20 | golinux | *but > must |
| 19:01.25 | Inocuous | heat stroke |
| 19:02.28 | golinux | . . . this channel is getting too weird |
| 19:04.21 | golinux | Inocuous: Just ignorance of free (as in libre) software, I think |
| 19:05.11 | golinux | Makes me sad . . . |
| 19:06.22 | Inocuous | :-( |
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| 19:26.57 | gnu_srs1 | Hi, previously people reacted if there was too much OT discussions here and referred them to debianfork. What is the current status? |
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| 19:27.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a good tradition we should revive :-) |
| 19:28.31 | gnu_srs1 | Reading this channel after not doing that for some days is too much, just have to skip to the latest entry. |
| 19:28.40 | gnu_srs1 | :-( |
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| 19:29.52 | golinux | gnu_srs: The channel is getting flooded with newbies |
| 19:32.00 | gnu_srs1 | Nice to see so many new people entering ;-) However, we should propose to them to discuss general matters in #debianfork :P |
| 19:33.36 | Centurion_Dan | there should be a mention of #debian-fork in the title |
| 19:33.52 | MinceR | what's #debian-fork? |
| 19:34.32 | Centurion_Dan | oops.. should be #debianfork |
| 19:34.35 | MinceR | oh |
| 19:34.42 | KatolaZ | is it on freenode as well? |
| 19:34.45 | MinceR | how should i phrase it? |
| 19:34.46 | MinceR | yes |
| 19:34.58 | KatolaZ | I ermember I was there back in the days |
| 19:35.07 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 19:35.18 | *** mode/#devuan [+o MinceR] by ChanServ |
| 19:35.28 | *** topic/#devuan by MinceR -> Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org - irc logs https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ - offtopic discussion: #debianfork |
| 19:35.32 | *** mode/#devuan [-o MinceR] by MinceR |
| 19:35.45 | *** part/#devuan henk (~henk@leonardo.netwichtig.de) |
| 19:36.00 | golinux | . . . MinceR goes to work some magic |
| 19:36.13 | MinceR | :) |
| 19:36.15 | golinux | MinceR: How did you do that so fast? |
| 19:36.34 | MinceR | /cs op #devuan, then /t space tab, then edited the line, pressed enter, /deop MinceR |
| 19:37.16 | golinux | That was a rhetorical question. ;) |
| 19:37.18 | MinceR | oh |
| 19:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | from my histroy: |
| 19:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Devuan development channel https://devuan.org - TODO: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/home, https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues, https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/todo/issues - generic discussion->#debianfork | Logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ | Devuan News Issue 060: http://ur1.ca/odzmq<< |
| 19:38.23 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Helen of? |
| 19:38.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | helen? |
| 19:38.43 | golinux | is being silly |
| 19:38.57 | golinux | <DocScrutinizer05> from my histroy: |
| 19:39.06 | golinux | typo |
| 19:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh |
| 19:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
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| 19:40.15 | *** mode/#devuan [+o MinceR] by ChanServ |
| 19:40.26 | *** topic/#devuan by MinceR -> Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org - irc logs https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ - Please take offtopic discussion to #debianfork |
| 19:40.30 | *** mode/#devuan [-o MinceR] by MinceR |
| 19:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: what's /t space tab? |
| 19:41.25 | MinceR | irssi tab-completes "/t " to "/t <topic>" for easier editing |
| 19:41.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow |
| 19:41.40 | MinceR | (the space must be there, otherwise it will try to find a command starting with /t) |
| 19:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 19:42.05 | MinceR | weechat does this too, except its first suggestion is to clear the topic |
| 19:42.33 | MachinaeWolf | whoa um: kernel:[20074.648839] do_IRQ: 2.123 No irq handler for vector |
| 19:42.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | konversation is a tad more... wel GUI oriented |
| 19:44.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/05/14/plasma-desktopqw2219.png |
| 19:44.38 | MinceR | :) |
| 19:49.39 | Inocuous | I would like to get my cron script to append to the same file rather than replace it. I have this file name in the command for the log followed by this 2>&1 |
| 19:52.59 | KatolaZ | Inocuous: ? |
| 19:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2>>&1 ? |
| 19:54.02 | Inocuous | I get a log, it just rewrites it every time. |
| 19:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/25862974 |
| 19:57.43 | Inocuous | Ok, that makes sense. thanks. |
| 19:57.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>bla 2>>&1 same >>bla 2>>bla same &>>bla (bashism) |
| 19:59.27 | Inocuous | I'll knoq in just a couple of minutes, it will run on the hour. |
| 20:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net/README.html |
| 20:09.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: so did it work? |
| 20:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it did, unless there's a typo somewhere ;-) |
| 20:11.40 | Inocuous | typo'ed it I think. I copied the original from a help file. it's not quite right. I put in the double >> but that broke it. I'll follow your example for the next run. |
| 20:12.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | note that this example uses a bashism, it won't work when you default shell isn't bash |
| 20:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>bla 2>>&1 is the generic form |
| 20:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, you say you ``have this file name in the command for the log´´? Like "mycommand --logfile bla" ? Then you need to use 2>>bla instead of 2>>&1 |
| 20:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather this will still delete your logfile since mycommand prolly doesn't know to append. Check if your mycommand knows --logfile STDOUT |
| 20:18.18 | Inocuous | I'm strugging with this old style linux editor. |
| 20:18.32 | MachinaeWolf | no sound on goattraker? :( |
| 20:18.49 | MachinaeWolf | DocScrutinizer05: you'll be happy to hear it couldn't get all deps for steam so I removed it all |
| 20:18.55 | MachinaeWolf | I couldn't* |
| 20:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't care |
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| 20:22.01 | KatolaZ | ok guys, |
| 20:22.09 | KatolaZ | minimal devuan live boots in 96 MB :) |
| 20:22.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :) |
| 20:24.22 | Chanku | Woo |
| 20:25.44 | KatolaZ | I am now in the process of shrinking the image further, as suggested in the ML |
| 20:25.56 | KatolaZ | and I will also include a few more things here and there |
| 20:36.55 | Chanku | Alright so there seems to be a bit of an issue with the Desmume package in Devuan "Jessie". |
| 20:37.13 | Chanku | (I do hope I'm placing this in the right area :P ) |
| 20:40.12 | MachinaeWolf | well I found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/210144/synclient-does-not-find-synaptics-properties-despite-synaptics-touchpad-in-xinpu but it now has a different error: no protocol specified Failed to connect to X server. Please synclient? :/ |
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| 20:54.22 | MachinaeWolf | And whoa whoa, chsh doesn't detect zsh :o |
| 20:55.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | man chsh |
| 20:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /etc/shells |
| 20:56.49 | MachinaeWolf | 'chsh -s zsh' chsh: zsh is an invalid shell |
| 21:02.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, do you know "man"? >>The only restriction placed on the login shell is that the command name must be listed in /etc/shells, unless the invoker is the superuser, and then any value may be added.<< |
| 21:04.14 | MachinaeWolf | yes I know how to read a man page and on my regular user chsh -s /bin/zsh doesn't work |
| 21:05.45 | MachinaeWolf | and chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh also doesn't work |
| 21:05.55 | MachinaeWolf | no error but it's still on bash I can see that |
| 21:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | .oO(...) |
| 21:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | grep `whoami` /etc/passwd |
| 21:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware this only changes the FUTURE logins' shell, not your current one? |
| 21:11.57 | MachinaeWolf | ...oh anywho in tty it says zsh compinit: insecure directories, run compaudit for list. I had a previous zsh config file already |
| 21:12.00 | MachinaeWolf | weird |
| 21:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe take it to #debianfork ? |
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| 22:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: sorry I told BS. "2>>&1" doesn't even work. "2>&1" means you use the same filehandle that already got opened for &1, so when you do "1>>bla 2>&1" this appends for &1 and &2. However the issue with "mycmd --logfile bla" stands, in this case &1 isn't a filehandle to bla, so "2>&1" won't do anything either. You must teach mycmd to log to STDOUT (&1) or STDERR (&2), then you can change rewrite (>) to append (>>) |
| 22:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | Inocuous: when mycmd doesn't know to log to STDERR, you can use something like "mycmd --logfile >(cat >>bla)" |
| 22:30.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((BS)) the terrible effects of a caffeine underdose ;-) |
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| 23:01.10 | Inocuous | Ok, got it. thanks DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 23:01.42 | Inocuous | It's a learning process. :>) |
| 23:01.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the fun |
| 23:45.48 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null <= that's what I call hardcore |
| 23:46.12 | ksx4system | (do not execute this, ever) |
| 23:46.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I prolly already did ;-) |
| 23:47.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | but yeah, it's quite nasty |
| 23:47.58 | ksx4system | bash, always entertaining |
| 23:48.28 | ksx4system | sometimes enough to act as caffeine replacement ;) |
| 23:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 23:49.17 | ksx4system | even hardware RNG doesn't help |
| 23:50.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | also funny: cat /dev/kmem |
| 23:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | save your files before you do |
| 23:53.50 | ksx4system | whatever *spins new virtual machine* |
| 23:54.46 | ksx4system | cat: /dev/kmem: No such file or directory <= meh? |
| 23:56.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sometimes it doesn't exist |
| 23:56.14 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't exist on OpenVZ container, doesn't exist on this laptop too |
| 23:56.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~> ll /dev/k* |
| 23:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | crw-r----- 1 root kmem 1, 2 2. Mär 06:16 /dev/kmem |
| 23:56.48 | ksx4system | â® ksx4system@luna ~ â® $ ls /dev | grep kmem |
| 23:56.48 | ksx4system | â® ksx4system@luna ~ â® $ |
| 23:56.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | some security stuff |
| 23:57.15 | ksx4system | flashy liquorix kernel 4.5.3 ;) |
| 23:57.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | considered a security threat to have full memory access |
| 23:58.08 | ksx4system | :|: which language was this one? |
| 23:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway reading #0x00000 causes kernel ooops |
| 23:58.45 | ksx4system | :D |
| 23:58.56 | ksx4system | (and no, :|: wasn't bash... powershell probably) |
