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| 06:47.19 | Sweg | Good morning guys and gals - if there is any :) |
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| 06:48.19 | Centurion_Dan | Good evening Sweg :-P |
| 06:48.45 | Sweg | : |
| 06:48.48 | Sweg | :)* |
| 06:49.09 | Sweg | I guess you are a 'stralian? |
| 06:50.18 | DusXMT | Sweg: there most definitely are |
| 06:50.19 | Centurion_Dan | nope ;-) |
| 06:50.37 | Centurion_Dan | further east then that |
| 06:50.55 | DusXMT | Korea? Japan? |
| 06:51.03 | Sweg | Hawaii! |
| 06:51.07 | Sweg | Of, NYZ |
| 06:51.09 | Sweg | Or |
| 06:51.25 | Centurion_Dan | and further south ... much further |
| 06:51.49 | Sweg | South pacific or something? |
| 06:51.58 | Centurion_Dan | yeah NZ |
| 06:53.08 | Centurion_Dan | arse end of the world with internet via a soggy string |
| 06:53.26 | Centurion_Dan | ... well technically 2 soggy strings... |
| 06:53.54 | Centurion_Dan | ping time to EU is currently about 300ms |
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| 07:25.41 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: 300ms is not too bad, come on ;) |
| 07:26.18 | KatolaZ | you're still better off than guys down there in Antarctica |
| 07:29.05 | DusXMT | wonders about the status of free software in Antarctica... considering it's mostly just scientists living there, it's probable |
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| 07:37.50 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: I guess free software is quite popular in Antarctica, indeed :) |
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| 07:43.04 | greseth | again, checking in, has anyone got letsencrypt's script running on devuan? |
| 07:43.12 | greseth | (hi everyone) |
| 07:50.54 | Sweg | I have not tried actually, what kind of problems do you get? |
| 07:52.46 | greseth | it whines about pip not being at the last release |
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| 07:55.19 | MJRider | greseth: but does it break, because iirc it also whines on debian about thye same thing |
| 07:58.53 | greseth | yep, it does break |
| 08:05.41 | greseth | i don't actually remember what for, i'll tell you later |
| 08:06.09 | ruenoak | evening all |
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| 08:36.32 | geroy | hello guys |
| 08:36.46 | geroy | there is something wrong with jessie-security repository |
| 08:37.20 | geroy | I've got unmet dependencies when trying to install samba package (with deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main in sources.list) |
| 08:37.34 | geroy | when I remove that line i can install samba but older version |
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| 09:21.19 | antofox | morning!! |
| 09:22.04 | ruenoak | hello antofox |
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| 10:24.14 | Centurion_Dan | geroy - can you send me some about the nature of the dependency issues?? I've got a devuan jessie system with the latest release running fine... |
| 10:29.20 | geroy | Centurion_Dan: I've sent you private msg about the problem. |
| 10:34.22 | henk | too bad, I was curious and might have been able to help too |
| 10:35.42 | geroy | ok here it is |
| 10:36.22 | geroy | devuan jessie beta installation (3 days ago) |
| 10:37.02 | geroy | with default sources.list |
| 10:37.30 | geroy | now i am trying to install samba package and i've got the following dependencies error |
| 10:37.47 | geroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.47 | geroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.47 | geroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.47 | geroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.13 | geroy | when I remove jessie-security line in sources.list |
| 10:38.30 | geroy | i can install samba but that older version 4.1.xx |
| 10:38.46 | geroy | so I think the problem is something with that security repo |
| 10:39.01 | DusXMT | Just a note: 4.1.17 is a 4.1.xx |
| 10:39.16 | DusXMT | Oh, I'm an idiot, reading too fast |
| 10:39.20 | geroy | :P |
| 10:39.30 | DusXMT | :) |
| 10:39.47 | Irrwahn | can confirm there is no samba-common 2:4.2.10* to be found in the repos of either Jessie, Ascii, or Ceres |
| 10:40.36 | Irrwahn | Weird. |
| 10:43.29 | henk | while clicking around, I stumbled on this: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at amprolla.devuan.org |
| 10:44.36 | Centurion_Dan | yeah that's the stupid hsts thing that somebody accidentally enabled globally for the devuan domain... use private browsing to get around it. |
| 10:45.03 | Centurion_Dan | I'm off to bed but will look into it in the morning.... |
| 10:45.23 | Irrwahn | All other related samba packages seem to have a version 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u2 in Jessie. |
| 10:45.52 | Centurion_Dan | they should all be in the security repo... |
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| 10:46.21 | DusXMT | Perhaps the samba package depends on systemd and thus is not let into the security mirror? |
| 10:46.28 | Irrwahn | I have enabled deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 10:46.29 | henk | Centurion_Dan: that doesnât help. |
| 10:47.07 | DusXMT | the newest version, that is |
| 10:47.58 | Centurion_Dan | ours currently matches debians so you could use security.debian.org at the moment... and I did check a few days ago and no packages there currently depend on systemd ... and certainly not that version of samba, because I'm running it. By the way, do you have jessie-updates as well?? |
| 10:50.00 | Irrwahn | Added jessie-updates, didn't change anything about samba-common. |
| 10:50.12 | Centurion_Dan | ok I |
| 10:50.26 | Centurion_Dan | will sort it out in the morning. Goodnight... |
| 10:50.35 | DusXMT | 's aptitude reports 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+dev8u2 |
| 10:50.48 | Irrwahn | Goddnight Centurion_Dan, and as always: thanks a bunch for your efforts! :) |
| 10:57.04 | Irrwahn | can see samba-common 2:4.2.10, when Debian's (sic!) http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates is enabled. |
| 10:58.18 | Irrwahn | Might well be a glitch in Amprolla? |
| 11:04.48 | geroy | btw the problem is at least from yesterday |
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| 11:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: ((hsts thing)) isn't that a ticket yet? shouldn't it be? |
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| 12:15.36 | enyc | glibc and pulseaudio recompiles going along happily... slowly but surely =) |
| 12:28.05 | ksx4system | isn't systemd popularity a good example of Stockholm syndrome? |
| 12:29.33 | MinceR | could be |
| 12:43.09 | MJRider | ksx4system: i think that is the best description yet |
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| 13:59.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan systemd popularity is <reply><ksx4system> isn't systemd popularity a good example of Stockholm syndrome? <MJRider> ksx4system: i think that is the best description yet |
| 13:59.25 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
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| 16:31.14 | ksx4system | DocScrutinizer05: LOL :D |
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| 17:01.27 | flrn | has a network problem, is looking for help |
| 17:02.24 | flrn | logged in to a router, I can ping the WAN but not the machine on the LAN from which I ssh into the router. |
| 17:03.00 | flrn | the LAN machine is not able to reach the WAN |
| 17:05.38 | KatolaZ | flrn: do you have a correctly set netmask, right? |
| 17:09.23 | KatolaZ | and you have a route for the LAN, right? |
| 17:14.00 | flrn | KatolaZ: I guess yes, it was working fine yesterday besides some lag with resolving DNS after going from dnsmasq to unbound w/ dnssec |
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| 17:39.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.experten-arbeit-stärken.de/ |
| 17:53.18 | flrn | Thanks KatolaZ, the netmask seems to be correct (says ifconfig on router and LAN client), now I'm trying to understand the routing... where would I have to declare that route? |
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| 18:00.19 | flrn | ...or how could it have vanished? |
| 18:01.00 | KatolaZ | what does route give you? |
| 18:07.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | also what exactly do you ping, external IP or LAN IP? And what are the firewall rules in router |
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| 18:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | rouers often need explicit "hairpinning" to allow pinging external IP of local machine from LAN. And sometimes even LAN-LAN connections are blocked by firewall |
| 18:11.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | on my router I got firewall rules for in, out, and local, where local is router-local and in/out is as seen from the bridge inbound/outbound |
| 18:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | flrn: http://paste.opensuse.org/73543578 |
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| 18:25.33 | flrn | DocScrutinizer05: here my routing tables: http://paste.opensuse.org/15347533 from the router I can ping LAN and WAN IPs but have no route from LAN clients to the internet. |
| 18:28.32 | KatolaZ | what is the route on the lan clients? |
| 18:30.10 | flrn | what do you mean...? |
| 18:30.24 | KatolaZ | what does "route" says on the clients? |
| 18:30.48 | flrn | see my link, i posted both: router and client |
| 18:30.56 | KatolaZ | oh sorry |
| 18:32.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/64426679 |
| 18:33.43 | KatolaZ | flrn: which interface on the router is connected to the LAN? |
| 18:33.52 | KatolaZ | it should be eth0 |
| 18:34.00 | KatolaZ | with IP 192.168.21.1 |
| 18:34.04 | KatolaZ | right? |
| 18:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | err default gateway is 192.168.20.1 eth0, no? |
| 18:35.38 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 18:35.50 | KatolaZ | default gw for the desktops is 192.168.21.1 |
| 18:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the desktops, yeah |
| 18:36.37 | KatolaZ | the desktops do not ping the router |
| 18:36.44 | KatolaZ | they try to ping 192.168.21.1 |
| 18:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the router it's eth1 (not 0) 192.168.20.1 |
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| 18:37.43 | flrn | 192.168.21.0/24 eth0 is LAN, 192.168.20.0/24 eth1 on the WAN side |
| 18:38.01 | KatolaZ | can you ping the router from desktop? |
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| 18:38.37 | flrn | yes, i ssh into it from there |
| 18:38.43 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | looks absolutely ok to me |
| 18:38.59 | KatolaZ | so you can't see the wan from desktop |
| 18:39.10 | KatolaZ | the problem is in the forwarding rules on the router then |
| 18:39.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:40.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/05/12/plasma-desktopLj2219.png |
| 18:42.54 | flrn | KatolaZ: "forwarding rules" == iptables? |
| 18:43.03 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 18:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/24994076 |
| 18:43.16 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: but it says eth0 on the wan side |
| 18:43.20 | KatolaZ | I am confused now |
| 18:43.22 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | mine yes |
| 18:43.52 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:43.58 | KatolaZ | but you don't have problems, right? |
| 18:43.59 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
| 18:44.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | works great, ERpro8, great device |
| 18:44.34 | KatolaZ | ahahahahah |
| 18:44.39 | KatolaZ | but I don't care |
| 18:44.49 | KatolaZ | if you are not ill you don't need a doctor :D |
| 18:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? |
| 18:45.14 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 18:45.19 | KatolaZ | flrn has a routing problem |
| 18:45.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to help |
| 18:45.23 | KatolaZ | not you |
| 18:45.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so? |
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| 18:45.51 | KatolaZ | flrn: which iptables rules are you using? |
| 18:46.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs and heads out |
| 18:46.30 | KatolaZ | flrn: btw, from the router you can go out right? |
| 18:46.56 | flrn | yes |
| 18:47.00 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: is your device the same used by flrn? |
| 18:47.01 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:47.07 | KatolaZ | what rules are you using? |
| 18:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't care |
| 18:49.53 | flrn | my iptables (router): http://paste.opensuse.org/96604627 |
| 18:51.53 | flrn | it's probably not the same device, here it's a raspi2 home router w/ devuan |
| 18:53.15 | KatolaZ | flrn: wait |
| 18:53.28 | KatolaZ | what is UbiqPKD? |
| 18:53.30 | KatolaZ | another host? |
| 18:53.37 | KatolaZ | that is the one connected to the internet? |
| 18:55.29 | KatolaZ | why is it not in 192.168.20.x? |
| 18:55.40 | KatolaZ | and why it does not have the ip 192.168.20.1? |
| 18:55.44 | flrn | UbigPKD is a leftover from Doc's paste... sorry. mine are the two below. |
| 18:55.50 | KatolaZ | which is the default gw for the "router"? |
| 18:55.58 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:56.00 | KatolaZ | let's start again |
| 18:56.04 | KatolaZ | you have a LAN |
| 18:56.13 | KatolaZ | 192.168.21.x |
| 18:56.19 | flrn | yes |
| 18:56.27 | KatolaZ | you have a router |
| 18:56.32 | KatolaZ | which is both on 192.168.20.x |
| 18:56.37 | KatolaZ | and on 192.168.21.x |
| 18:56.55 | flrn | 20 uplink, 21 LAN |
| 18:57.03 | KatolaZ | I believe that "internet" is behind the host 192.168.20.1, right? |
| 18:57.22 | flrn | right :) |
| 18:57.23 | KatolaZ | whatever it is |
| 18:57.25 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:57.28 | KatolaZ | so you have |
| 18:57.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-12 Thu 20:36:49] <DocScrutinizer05> on the router it's eth1 (not 0) 192.168.20.1 |
| 18:57.38 | KatolaZ | LAN <--> router <--> ADSL |
| 18:57.46 | KatolaZ | right? |
| 18:58.56 | flrn | uplink atm is wired ethernet, usually wifi, the cable modem is to routers further away. |
| 18:59.04 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:59.14 | flrn | s/to/two |
| 18:59.46 | KatolaZ | ok this does not matter |
| 19:00.20 | KatolaZ | what happens if you remove the last rule in the FORWARD chain of table filter? |
| 19:00.31 | KatolaZ | it should forward if you do so |
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| 19:01.43 | KatolaZ | the problem IMHO is that you don't have a FORWARD rule for -i eth1 -o eth0 |
| 19:02.30 | KatolaZ | so packets that come from internet do not pass back to the LAN |
| 19:02.37 | flrn | but this should be covered by RELATED,ESTABLISHED, no? |
| 19:02.41 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 19:02.54 | KatolaZ | only for TCP packets |
| 19:03.09 | KatolaZ | AFAIK |
| 19:03.31 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 19:04.12 | KatolaZ | it would be sufficient to LOG those with -i eth1 -o eth0 |
| 19:04.24 | KatolaZ | and see what happens |
| 19:05.18 | KatolaZ | but first, I would try removing the -j DROP in FORWARD |
| 19:06.31 | flrn | OK, I removed every FORWARD rule but default:ACCEPT and it works. Thank you :) will narrow it down now |
| 19:06.34 | KatolaZ | just to be sure that everything else is in place |
| 19:06.39 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 19:07.03 | KatolaZ | now I would try putting a -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT in filter:FORWARD |
| 19:07.36 | KatolaZ | I believe that with RELATED,ESTABLISHED you have only TCP packets passing through |
| 19:07.47 | KatolaZ | while icmp and udp are blocked |
| 19:13.16 | flrn | thank you very much KatolaZ, I'll report back when I understand why it worked until yesterday ;) |
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| 19:21.36 | KatolaZ | no problem flrn |
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| 20:12.50 | flrn | OK KatolaZ, I fooled myself: it was all a resolving problem, my desktop's resolv.conf pointed to the IP of the old router / dns server. |
| 20:17.06 | flrn | So the router's iptables ruleset (FORWARD LAN to WAN -> FORWARD RELATED,ESTABLISHED -> DROP) is fine. |
| 20:21.39 | flrn | Thanks again for your attention^^ |
| 20:21.53 | flrn | Now it's only about some dnssec finetuning and finding faster opennic servers. |
| 20:33.43 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 20:34.06 | KatolaZ | flrn: happy to hear that you found the problem |
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| 22:14.19 | blackpenguin | files.devuan.org is apparently down (getting 504 gateway timeout only) any working mirror for the ISO/torrent file? |
| 22:21.51 | flrn | Here's the torrent's hash, hth: 9b0fa597ab8bdd89a57434876947dbe378a79aad |
| 22:25.09 | flrn | magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9b0fa597ab8bdd89a57434876947dbe378a79aad&dn=devuan%5Fjessie%5Fbeta&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.dyne.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337 |
| 22:26.04 | flrn | blackpenguin^^ |
| 22:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | !tell blackpenguin about mirrors |
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| 22:30.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | however see http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net/log.txt - it seems rsync is fine, just http fails? |
| 22:32.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://devuan.org/ (with a list of active file mirrors) loads |
| 22:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | blackpenguin: ^^^ |
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| 22:34.55 | blackpenguin | thanks, both of you. the mirrors however seem to hold the packages only, not the 1.0.0-beta ISO files. |
| 22:35.34 | blackpenguin | the magnet link should work fine though, thanks :-) |
| 22:35.50 | KatolaZ | blackpenguin: |
| 22:35.53 | KatolaZ | http://devuan.voyanet.org/devuan_jessie_beta/ |
| 22:35.57 | KatolaZ | just to make an example |
| 22:36.19 | KatolaZ | all the mirrors have *only* images, and not the repo ATM, AFAIK |
| 22:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | blackpenguin: http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net/ holds all that's available on original files.d.o |
| 22:36.40 | blackpenguin | cool. thanks. |
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| 22:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are file.d.o mirrors and no repo mirrors yet |
| 22:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 22:39.43 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 22:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | also note that so far all .iso act like netinstall |
| 22:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is a flaw which is supposed to get fixed in next release (RSN) |
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| 23:20.16 | jfl | hello |
| 23:20.53 | jfl | I have a problem booting with the beta install |
| 23:21.24 | jfl | I've burned a dvd and expect it to boot the system |
| 23:21.51 | jfl | but, although the bios is set to boot from cdrom, it does not |
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| 23:22.31 | jfl | my machine specifically asks the boot device on pressing f-12 |
| 23:22.50 | jfl | which I tried, still boots from hard disk |
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| 23:23.06 | jfl | can there be something unbootable about my dvd? |
| 23:24.36 | Centurion_Dan | I've found the issue with our security mirror... it relates to security.debian.org being really sloppy... |
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| 23:28.00 | Centurion_Dan | DusXMT: Irrwahn: they have 2 versions of samba-common and the samba-common package which is in an Architecture: All package is also in both Binary-all and Binary-amd64 Packages file. Amprolla is picking up the first version and ignoring the second version. |
| 23:30.05 | flrn | jfl: did you burn as disk image? or as a file? |
| 23:30.51 | jfl | firn : as an image. I have it mounted now and can browse it. |
| 23:40.57 | flrn | ok, no further ideas... but if you can boot usb: i think it's a hybrid image that you can dd to a thumb drive |
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| 23:45.00 | jfl | thanks firn. I guess I'll try that. Maybe everyone does it that way? and no one ever tried booting a dvd? I'll have to go buy a thumb drive though. I cannot believe this doesn't work. |
| 23:49.12 | jfl | This is the image I'm talking about : devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_DVD.iso That's the correct one, right? |
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| 23:52.19 | jfl | I see you're actually flrn, not firn. sorry |
| 23:56.26 | flrn | reads like the right one, - I didn't use it yet, only netinstall... |
