| 00:08.57 | Inocuous | Here's a little something to spice up the desktop if anyone is interested. http://imgur.com/8aAeoe3 |
| 00:24.11 | golinux | That's the worst upload service of all. Requires disabling AdBlock. :( |
| 00:26.59 | Inocuous | imgur? |
| 00:33.34 | gci_admin | I am sure all the women will be installing that background immediately Inocuous. :p |
| 00:34.02 | MinceR | imgur has become increasingly bloated |
| 00:34.06 | MinceR | now it's nearly unusable |
| 00:34.45 | MinceR | their new ui is broken as well |
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| 00:34.53 | gci_admin | Here, if you want to spice up your desktop, use one of these: https://wall.alphacoders.com/by_sub_category.php?id=188510 |
| 00:35.03 | gci_admin | SFW |
| 00:35.15 | MinceR | the spice must flow |
| 00:35.20 | Inocuous | I didn't have my blocker installed. I should do that. |
| 00:38.26 | Inocuous | I'm not real sure on how to install flashplayer |
| 00:39.17 | gci_admin | golinux, use uBlock Origin instead of AdBlock. It works much better than AdBlock IME. |
| 00:40.18 | ksx4system | golinux: since when imgur requires to disable ad blocking? as gci_admin suggests use uBlock Origin :) |
| 00:41.35 | ksx4system | Inocuous: just don't, flash player is malware (literally) |
| 00:41.58 | gci_admin | Inocuous, does HTML5 not work for you? |
| 00:42.48 | Inocuous | I'm on youtube and it's telling me it needs flashplayer to show vidoes. |
| 00:43.08 | ksx4system | https://www.youtube.com/html5?hl=pl |
| 00:43.24 | ksx4system | "use HTML5 whenever possible" or something |
| 00:43.32 | gci_admin | Inocuous, really? What browser? |
| 00:43.50 | Inocuous | it's iceweasel |
| 00:44.07 | gci_admin | Hmmm, let me check that in my Devuan VM ... |
| 00:44.28 | ksx4system | gci_admin: you don't have to |
| 00:44.47 | ksx4system | yes, HTML5 YouTube works in default Iceweasel on Devuan |
| 00:45.07 | Inocuous | is there a setting? |
| 00:45.32 | ksx4system | click that YT link and read one line below |
| 00:45.43 | ksx4system | this is a setting |
| 00:47.44 | gci_admin | Yup, it works with HTML5 here. |
| 00:49.15 | gci_admin | Had to uninstall Flash to check though. Unfortunately I have to have Flash for some Flash based corporate tools. |
| 00:50.49 | gci_admin | Why anyone ever thought that was a good idea is beyond my comprehension. |
| 00:50.50 | tmyklebu_ | shrug. |
| 00:50.53 | tmyklebu_ | flash isn't bad. |
| 00:51.09 | tmyklebu_ | html5 is far worse at graceful degradation. |
| 00:51.33 | gci_admin | Nope, it is awful. Worse than bad. A big Flash based hole in security. |
| 00:52.10 | tmyklebu_ | you think flash is a security hole but you don't think that having to upgrade your browser every 15 minutes is a bigger security problem? |
| 00:52.32 | gci_admin | I do not upgrade my browser every 15 minutes. You do? |
| 00:52.46 | tmyklebu_ | firefox at least says "hey, this plugin is insecure; are you sure you want to run it?" before starting flash code. |
| 00:53.06 | tmyklebu_ | i don't. as a result, all this fancypants html5 stuff just doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:53.11 | gci_admin | Yah, I know. Like I said, I have to have Flask for some corp stuff. |
| 00:53.33 | gci_admin | s/Flask/Flash |
| 00:53.51 | gci_admin | Must have been a Freudian slip "Flask". :D |
| 00:54.11 | ksx4system | tmyklebu_: what the fsck? what degradation? :P |
| 00:54.46 | Inocuous | I'm getting some of the video's now. thanks for that link. I hope it will take care of. Not a big fan of adobe. |
| 00:54.47 | ksx4system | also, flash is malware |
| 00:55.00 | tmyklebu_ | eh. |
| 00:55.13 | tmyklebu_ | google chrome *actually is* malware. flash is just shitty. |
| 00:55.50 | tmyklebu_ | they advertise that it sends your keystrokes to the mothership and all. |
| 00:56.45 | ksx4system | fortunately you've got choice (there's a fsckton of open source WebKit/Blink browsers) |
| 00:56.57 | tmyklebu_ | why the fuck can't you spell "fuck"? |
| 00:57.21 | ksx4system | LOL |
| 00:57.28 | tmyklebu_ | if 'fsck' really is muscle-memory, go buy better storage. :) |
| 00:58.19 | ksx4system | because it's less mainstream to use *FUCK* word than a file system check (and yes, storage of some of my clients does suck) |
| 01:00.11 | gci_admin | There is also Vivaldi browser, based on Chromium but without the spying. Or so I have heard. |
| 01:00.58 | tmyklebu_ | heh, okay. |
| 01:02.34 | gci_admin | Vivaldi is only available for Apple, Linux, and Microsoft systems, not FreeBSD, or I would have tried it by now. |
| 01:03.15 | gci_admin | I'll get around to installing it once I have my netbook configured with Devuan. |
| 01:03.20 | ksx4system | gci_admin: or there's just Chromium ;) or Firefox (Iceweasel) if you can stand the slowness in exchange for complete peace of mind |
| 01:04.01 | gci_admin | ksx4system, slowness is relative. I recall the days of 300 baud modems. ;) |
| 01:04.17 | golinux | ksx4system: I only recently (within the last few months) went to imgur for the first time. Have been there several times since then on devuan-related links |
| 01:05.01 | ksx4system | golinux: I used to have my own image host based on open source "Chevereto" script |
| 01:05.24 | ksx4system | unfortunately no longer compatible with current PHP versions (and I'm not that good at PHP to fork and patch it) |
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| 01:05.51 | golinux | I don;t often post images to the open web. And have no interest looking at them either |
| 01:06.20 | gci_admin | I have used my Dropbox Pro account to post a lot of content. Unfortunately some chiken littles complain it requires cookies. The HORROR! :p |
| 01:06.35 | gci_admin | s/chiken/chicken |
| 01:07.51 | gci_admin | Oh, and Javascript! GASP! |
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| 02:36.54 | Inocuous | Looking for a sound icon to show in the taskbar for quick sound adj. I dragged the sound miver icon and dropped it there. Is there a better way for this? |
| 03:01.01 | enyc | blinks |
| 03:17.01 | Inocuous | never blink first |
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| 09:07.34 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: you'll go blind... |
| 09:09.43 | Inocuous | haha, probably will. :) |
| 09:10.47 | Inocuous | are you part of the dev team Centurion_Dan ? |
| 09:20.02 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: yup... |
| 09:22.48 | Inocuous | are there still libraries and things being added in to the package? There is a game that I play that depends on a specific library file. I'm not sure how common it is. |
| 09:27.59 | Inocuous | It it a matter of putting it out of other repositories and adding it to Devuan repositories? |
| 09:28.24 | Inocuous | putting = pulling* sorry |
| 09:28.43 | hellekin | Inocuous: is there an existing debian package? |
| 09:29.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin hellekin |
| 09:29.51 | Inocuous | I'm guessing that there is. |
| 09:29.56 | hellekin | hi DocScrutinizer05. I'll be going through the web issues today |
| 09:30.15 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: then it will be in Devuan already |
| 09:30.30 | hellekin | Inocuous: then simply use the package manager to install it. Did you try that? |
| 09:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: :-D |
| 09:32.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | related: what doom to expect when installing debian packages? |
| 09:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -i |
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| 09:35.13 | Inocuous | I would like to revisit this issue again in a few minutes. I didn't write record the library name. Maybe one of the experts could double check me. my methods are likely to be flawed. |
| 09:35.17 | hellekin | not much: if it has silly dependencies it won't install. |
| 09:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-)) |
| 09:36.06 | hellekin | Inocuous: you need to be specific for other people to help you. "a game" is not useful :) |
| 09:37.36 | Inocuous | I don't want to slow down the process of more important issues. I'm just speaking in general, it's a big job what you folks are doing here right now. |
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| 09:39.12 | Guy- | hi |
| 09:39.22 | Guy- | is it just me, or is there a DNS problem with devuan.org? |
| 09:39.43 | nextime | Guy-: http://travaux.ovh.com/?do=details&id=17875 |
| 09:40.15 | nextime | dns anycast.me ( the CDN where devuan.org is hosted for DNS ) is under dDoS |
| 09:41.23 | hellekin | DNS will die of acute DDOS. Then self-referential crypthostnames and content-addressed internet can thrive. But without DRM please. |
| 09:42.07 | Guy- | thanks |
| 09:42.29 | nextime | i will take care to add other secondary DNS in next few days to avoid issues like this one in future |
| 09:44.10 | Inocuous | This was my message concerning the missing lib: ./warsow.x86_64: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL2-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.39 | Inocuous | I tried ust and apt-get to load it, which failed and and apt-cache search to find it, that came up empty. |
| 09:45.05 | argwings | libsdl2-2.0-0 ? |
| 09:45.06 | Inocuous | Not sure if those are the correct steps, I'm a recovering ubuntu user |
| 09:45.15 | nextime | libsdl2-2.0-0 |
| 09:45.46 | Centurion_Dan | apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0 |
| 09:45.51 | Centurion_Dan | Inocuous: ^^ |
| 09:46.08 | Inocuous | ok, thanks, I'll give it a try. |
| 09:46.11 | Inocuous | thanks men. |
| 09:46.29 | Centurion_Dan | surprised that warsow doesn't pull it in as a dependency... |
| 09:46.36 | nextime | Inocuous: take care that actually we are experiencing some DNS issues for a dDoS attack |
| 09:47.25 | nextime | Centurion_Dan: warsow isn't packaged in our nor devuan repos |
| 09:47.29 | Guy- | nextime: can't you increase the TTL on the DNS records, so that it keeps working for people who once resolve them successfully/ |
| 09:47.32 | Guy- | ? |
| 09:48.04 | Guy- | ah, it's already relatively high |
| 09:48.05 | Guy- | packages.devuan.org. 1384 IN A 46.105.191.77 |
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| 09:48.18 | Guy- | did you do this recently? |
| 09:48.33 | nextime | no, it's 1800 seconds from ages |
| 09:48.53 | nextime | i will inrcease it more anyway as some records are now stable |
| 09:48.56 | crhylove | The new beta is AWESOME. |
| 09:49.01 | nextime | and also i will add other secondary dns |
| 09:49.02 | crhylove | Working very, very well for me. |
| 09:49.14 | crhylove | I'd love to help redesign the initial mate layout. |
| 09:49.15 | Inocuous | same here crhylove |
| 09:49.24 | hellekin | crhylove: welcome :) |
| 09:49.27 | argwings | indeed |
| 09:50.35 | Guy- | fwiw, I've been using Devuan ceres for months, still am, and it's great :) |
| 09:51.16 | hellekin | crhylove: do you have an existing configuration you want to share? Does it require programming or packaging? Can you do either or both? |
| 09:51.21 | Inocuous | sorry for the interuption nextime , I know you are busy. keep up the good work. things are really coming together. |
| 09:51.35 | crhylove | I have an existing config. You bet! |
| 09:51.48 | crhylove | Really, it's just tweaking the layout a bit. |
| 09:51.56 | crhylove | The initial mate layout is really old school. |
| 09:52.35 | hellekin | I guess you can publish it on talk.do in STUDY or on a snippet on git.do (URLs coming) |
| 09:52.59 | hellekin | well, when DNS is back :] |
| 09:53.05 | crhylove | I have to find better icons first. |
| 09:53.06 | crhylove | :) |
| 09:53.08 | crhylove | But will do. |
| 09:54.32 | hellekin | https://talk.devuan.org/c/study (post a new topic, you may not be able to post it there, no worries, I'll move it for you. you can add a screenshot as well.) |
| 09:55.19 | Guy- | nextime: I can donate secondary DNS service, but I'm not sure how much help it'd be (the place where I can provide it is a low-powered vps on a 100mbps line) |
| 09:55.49 | hellekin | next step would be to add a packaged version to devuan-for-review before it can enter devuan-packages. |
| 09:56.37 | crhylove | OK. I'll post a screenshot asap. got better icons now. :) |
| 09:57.24 | Guy- | incidentally, what's a good way to choose a gtk3 theme in devuan? I tried cinnamon-control-center but it doesn't have a gtk3 theme selector |
| 09:57.41 | Guy- | the issue only arises due to firefox 46.0... |
| 09:57.54 | parazyd | Guy-: maybe lxappearance? |
| 09:58.12 | Guy- | trying |
| 09:58.29 | Guy- | parazyd: seems to be gtk2 |
| 09:58.54 | parazyd | ah ok |
| 09:59.12 | parazyd | dunno, just mentioned it because i only use gtk2 but thought it might do gtk3 too |
| 09:59.54 | Guy- | kde-config-gtk-style _seems_ to work, but it has no preview |
| 09:59.55 | crhylove | So I'm in the study thing, how do I start a new topic? |
| 10:00.21 | Guy- | the problem I'm having is that firefox doesn't show scrollbar sliders/handles since 46.0, and I'm pretty sure this is to do with gtk-3 |
| 10:00.47 | parazyd | Guy-: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GTK%2B#Themes |
| 10:01.54 | hellekin | crhylove: if you don't see a "new topic" icon, you lack privilege. Wait a sec |
| 10:02.03 | crhylove | I'm rhy on there. |
| 10:02.06 | crhylove | Thanks! |
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| 10:07.45 | hellekin | crhylove: I granted you member access (https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-do-user-trust-levels-do/4924/4) so you can post. Use the board or you can lose that status :) |
| 10:08.15 | crhylove | thanks! |
| 10:09.24 | hellekin | thanks to you! Don't hesitate to PM me here or on talk for help. |
| 10:09.58 | crhylove | It just gives me the circle with a slash through it for the New Topic button. |
| 10:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | relogin? |
| 10:10.29 | crhylove | good idea... |
| 10:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh that forum puzzles shit outa me |
| 10:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh I'm no particular fan of fora anyway |
| 10:13.19 | Guy- | parazyd: thanks, that was useful |
| 10:13.30 | parazyd | did it work? |
| 10:13.37 | Guy- | I can switch gtk-3 themes now but firefox still doesn't show scrollbar handles |
| 10:13.43 | Guy- | (but the appearance changes otherwise) |
| 10:13.53 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: how does it puzzle you? |
| 10:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://talk.devuan.org/t/how-to-use-devuan-discourse/182/9 for example |
| 10:14.31 | crhylove | https://talk.devuan.org/t/improved-default-mate-layout/290 |
| 10:15.36 | muep_ | firefox may have its own implementation of scroll bars |
| 10:16.02 | Guy- | muep_: perhaps, but their appearance does change with the gtk-3 theme |
| 10:16.09 | Guy- | only the lack of the handle doesn't :) |
| 10:16.43 | muep_ | it has pretty much always used its own toolkit, even if that toolkit does seem to implement stuff through gtk |
| 10:17.11 | Guy- | gtk-3 integration is a new feature of firefox 46.0 |
| 10:17.27 | Guy- | coincidentally it's also the release that broke scrollbars (and some other widgets :) |
| 10:17.31 | muep_ | I'd expect it to be comparable to the earlier gtk2 integration |
| 10:17.35 | Guy- | unfortunately it's still broken in 47.0 |
| 10:21.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: my notion on the forum is irrelevant, I'm too oldschool to have a relevant criticism or judgement on it |
| 10:21.49 | hellekin | crhylove: moved it to STUDY. Devuan>Packages is for discussing the package itself, with rules (you need to read a bit ;) and there's already a mate topic that you want to link to your topic to: https://talk.devuan.org/t/anyone-using-the-mate-desktop/153 by replying there) |
| 10:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | after literally years I started to use some few vBulletin boards and they are all I know and am used to |
| 10:22.28 | hellekin | DocScrutinizer05: I think you're wrong. This one combines Web (+wiki) and email. You use email, don't you? |
| 10:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:23.05 | hellekin | try setting your preferences to receive email and reply :) |
| 10:23.33 | crhylove | hellekin, thanks. I tried posting directly to study but it wouldn't let me... :/ |
| 10:23.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather temped to set regex "[Devuan Discourse]" on my mail filters - I can't really use it |
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| 10:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly please ignore me regarding discourse, I'm a lost case |
| 10:29.16 | hellekin | crhylove: yeah that's weird I need to fix that. In any case if you're not supposed to post in some topic, it should end up in misc. |
| 10:30.43 | crhylove | no worries. |
| 10:30.48 | crhylove | You guys are kicking ass already. |
| 10:30.56 | crhylove | loves you all! |
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| 10:32.14 | chri96 | Buongiorno |
| 10:32.48 | chri96 | Goodmorning |
| 10:33.49 | hellekin | crhylove: fixed the image. You can add your config file using markdown ``` blocks (or ~~~, whichever works) |
| 10:34.10 | hellekin | ciao chri96 what's up? |
| 10:34.42 | chri96 | I'm fine thanks and u? |
| 10:34.44 | crhylove | greps where his config file is... |
| 10:35.06 | chri96 | I have a question |
| 10:35.22 | hellekin | you still have it :) |
| 10:39.26 | chri96 | I would like to help Devuan. I'm a system engineer, now I have a possibility to provide a mirror server. |
| 10:40.42 | chri96 | I have a optic fiber then I have 20 mb in upload |
| 10:41.02 | chri96 | In your opinion it's possible to help Devuan? |
| 10:41.26 | nextime | chri96: if you like to add a mirror to our download zone, files.devuan.org, there is a MIRROR.txt you can read on how to do that |
| 10:42.10 | nextime | if you mean a repository mirror, we are organizing scripts to manage that, but they aren't yet ready, in a couple of weeks anyway we will publish somethign about that, i'm working on this issue |
| 10:43.05 | hellekin | chri96: https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt |
| 10:44.53 | chri96 | nextime: yes, in my idea it's a repository mirror |
| 10:45.47 | parazyd | nextime: does that mean that ex. hr.mirrors.devuan.org would also be a pool of mirrors? |
| 10:48.30 | nextime | parazyd: : yes |
| 10:51.10 | parazyd | neat |
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| 11:04.12 | hellekin | that would be hr.mirror.devuan.org right? No plural: it was already mentioned re: auto.mirror |
| 11:05.34 | nextime | hellekin: auto.mirror.d.o will be an auto http redirect to the closest mirror |
| 11:05.59 | parazyd | hellekin: yes. i'm saying auto.mirror gets you to your country, and CC.mirror gets a random mirror from that pool |
| 11:06.14 | nextime | <country_code>.mirror.d.o will be a dns round robin on 1 or more mirror in the country, if available, or a cname to auto.mirror.d.o if not available |
| 11:07.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | smells circular dependencies ;-) |
| 11:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | must be right around next corner |
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| 11:11.40 | nextime | DocScrutinizer05: : no, no circular |
| 11:11.53 | nextime | auto.mirror doesn't go to CC.mirror |
| 11:12.04 | nextime | auto.mirror goes to ONE mirror, the closest |
| 11:12.29 | nextime | CC.mirror is a round robin on the mirror in CC OR a cname to auto.mirror |
| 11:12.35 | nextime | so, no circular dependencies :) |
| 11:15.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | nextime: I said it's not yet here :-) |
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| 11:53.05 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, jaromil - Had a chance to look at that yet? First impressions? |
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| 12:38.07 | enyc | I'm being asked if devuan is suitable for deployment.... |
| 12:38.15 | enyc | Does the beta at least work well? interesting question |
| 12:38.31 | Guy- | enyc: there are many people for whom it works |
| 12:38.58 | Guy- | I've been running 'unstable' in production for months with no issues attributable to devuan |
| 12:38.59 | fsmithred | seems to work as well as debian |
| 12:39.11 | Guy- | which is hardly surprising |
| 12:39.48 | fsmithred | I did an upgrade of wheezy on encrypted lvm to devuan jessie that went flawlessly |
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| 12:41.23 | fsmithred | been using devuan jessie (from a fresh install, not upgrade) since Feb. |
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| 12:51.35 | nextime | i'm using devuan in production on more than 60 machines now, both jessie and/or ceres, with no issues |
| 12:52.19 | nextime | but be carefuk if you like to use ascii or ceres that *actually* there is an issue with libdbus that block upgrades and/or install of some packages, will be solved soon |
| 12:52.33 | nextime | anyway, even if it seems to be rock solid |
| 12:52.43 | nextime | and even if i use it extensively |
| 12:53.11 | nextime | it's not yet suggested to use it in production, as it's a beta, not a stable yet |
| 12:53.19 | nextime | so, do it at your own risk |
| 13:00.35 | minnesotags | All of life is a risk one way or another. I have it running in a "production" environment on a half-dozen bare metal machines that also run another ten or so virtual devuan machines. No issues attributable to Devuan. |
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| 13:28.18 | nextime | 6 |
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| 13:43.13 | nextime | minnesotags: i say that just cause i have to say that, we cannot say "use it in production" if we are in beta :) |
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| 14:33.21 | minnesotags | nextime: :-) |
| 14:39.14 | Inocuous | morning folks |
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| 15:41.54 | ksx4system | is jessie-proposed-updates from Debian available via Devuan's auto.mirror.devuan.org? |
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| 15:55.17 | nextime | ksx4system: yes |
| 15:55.35 | ksx4system | ok, so I'll have to remove this one |
| 15:55.47 | ksx4system | thanks nextime |
| 15:56.09 | nextime | ksx4system: if you are using devuan, you should NOT use ANY repo from debian |
| 15:56.20 | nextime | it's ok to use unofficial repos if you like |
| 15:56.25 | nextime | but don't use any debian repo |
| 15:56.34 | nextime | ALL debian packages are also available on devuan |
| 15:56.46 | nextime | both for backports, proposed-updates, security and so on |
| 15:57.16 | nextime | ( with the only exception of the packages blacklisted, systemd and systemd-sysv ) |
| 15:57.30 | enyc | I'm curious how much needs to be 'changed' in devuan, presuming its' mostly only core / login / udev / etc. related stuff that needs ''patching''/forking from debian |
| 15:57.45 | ksx4system | nextime: besides of many unofficial repos (like Knot DNS) I've still had jessie-proposed-updates and backports with lower priority than Devuan's |
| 15:57.57 | ksx4system | but now I'm actually sorting out my sources.list |
| 15:58.03 | enyc | I'm (presuming) vast majority of packages don't have probelatic dependencies, nor sysvinit-incompatibility ?? |
| 15:58.08 | nextime | enyc: for jessie, ~ 300 packages ( 100 source packages ) |
| 15:58.11 | nextime | but in ascii will be more |
| 15:58.39 | nextime | ksx4system: : don't, use the equivalent devuan repos |
| 15:58.45 | enyc | nextime: do you actively try to push devuan-compatibility fixes to debian packages ? |
| 15:59.19 | enyc | I managed to get the mythtv-packaging lot to have sysvinit-compatibility at least, though they haven't tried for proper debian-inclusion at all |
| 15:59.25 | nextime | enyc: no, not anymore. We have forked cause pushing non-systemd packages was impossible in debian |
| 15:59.27 | enyc | ubuntu seem to be rather lax on inclusion |
| 16:00.18 | enyc | what problems are there with getting devuan built on all architectures ? |
| 16:00.48 | nextime | enyc: in fact it isn't possibile for all packages, cause of sysadmin dependencies that make impossible to do that without making 2 versions of every package |
| 16:01.31 | nextime | enyc: : getting devuan on all archs require machines to build packages for archs, qemu isn't enough for some packages |
| 16:01.52 | nextime | and we don't have yet real and faster enough machines for all archs |
| 16:02.13 | nextime | but we are working towards this issue and we will add archs as soon as possibile |
| 16:03.07 | ksx4system | nextime: I just did that, apt-get dist-upgrade and I'll reboot now... hopefully it'll boot :D |
| 16:04.35 | nextime | ksx4system: in italy we say that saying "good luck" is bad, and it's better to say "in bocca al lupo" ( literally: "in the wolf's mouth" ) |
| 16:05.15 | nextime | ( or someone prefer also "in culo alla balena", literally "in the ass of a wale" ( |
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| 16:12.36 | ksx4system | absolutely perfect, as expected :) |
| 16:13.10 | ksx4system | once again thanks for pointing my mystake nextime |
| 16:13.16 | ksx4system | mistake* |
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| 16:48.47 | Inocuous | the devuan revolution has begun. |
| 17:14.28 | minnesotags | So, how has the whole "popcon" thing gone? How many downloads have their been? |
| 17:27.02 | ksx4system | Inocuous: viva la revolucion! :D |
| 17:32.11 | Inocuous | ksx4system, I like it! haha |
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| 17:38.35 | minnesotags | More like evolution. |
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| 18:45.09 | ksx4system | FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 18:45.36 | ksx4system | robert-e: thanks for notifying, no more tails for me too |
| 18:52.34 | Lydia_K | I read about that change :( |
| 19:05.58 | Inocuous | I was looking for sublime in the package list, I saw what looked like couple of library files for it but nothing that looked like sublime 2 or 3 |
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| 19:20.24 | nextime | Inocuous: contribute by packaging it for devuan! |
| 19:20.33 | nextime | ( what's sublime, the editor? ) |
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| 19:27.34 | Inocuous | editor/programming environment |
| 19:27.46 | Inocuous | I don't know how to make packages |
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| 19:28.45 | DusXMT | Inocuous: Usually, "upstream developers" just create a tarball with a build system like the autotools-based one, or a cmake-based one (there are other build systems out there as well, but these two are the most popular) |
| 19:30.56 | DusXMT | Probably better than "just a tarball" would be a versioning system repository (like a git one), with tarballs released at "release tags" (snapshots considered to be a release) |
| 19:37.39 | Inocuous | necessity is the mother of invention. :) I'll take a look at it and see what I can figure out. |
| 19:39.34 | muep_ | isn't sublime proprietary? |
| 19:41.02 | jaromil | afaik is not free software. i believe we aren't allowed to distribute sublime, one has to install their bundle. |
| 19:41.53 | nextime | a ok |
| 19:41.59 | jaromil | about Tails: we have a plan, there will be one based on Devuan |
| 19:42.06 | nextime | if it isn't free software, it doesn't exists. |
| 19:42.06 | jaromil | looks at parazyd |
| 19:43.14 | jaromil | Tails developers are out of touch. I wish intrigeri would reply my mails |
| 19:43.56 | jaromil | quite irresponsible of them to go on adopting something so new and call it "secure" |
| 19:45.07 | Lydia_K | It really is. |
| 19:45.39 | Lydia_K | You'd think security people would want simple well proven init, not some marass of new binaries that practically be re-written as they run they are so new. |
| 19:46.33 | Lydia_K | *that's practically being re-written |
| 19:46.38 | Lydia_K | god my typing is horrible today |
| 19:46.54 | Lydia_K | I must need a drink or something. |
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| 19:53.40 | muep_ | they seem to be using gnome and suchlike anyway. it's pretty clear they are not limiting their software setup to stuff that they could audit themselves |
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| 22:35.51 | ksx4system | has 25th birthday :D |
| 22:37.43 | Inocuous | ksx4system, just ignore it. |
| 22:38.21 | ksx4system | lol |
| 22:38.46 | Inocuous | someone gave black balloons when I turned 30 |
| 22:40.19 | ksx4system | Inocuous: and some black/pagan/doom metal on vinyl? that would pair well with black balloons... ;) |
| 22:41.55 | ksx4system | jaromil: it wasn't quite irresponsible, it was a suicidal move for them (that much security aware users simply aren't going to use distro with malware as an init system) |
| 22:43.24 | MinceR | 99 black balloons... |
| 22:43.37 | ksx4system | muep_: wasn't there XFCE in earlier versions? |
| 22:43.47 | ksx4system | MinceR: Nena? |
| 22:43.57 | MinceR | yeah |
| 22:44.25 | antofox | hi guys, for case there is an Italian community? |
| 22:49.35 | ksx4system | antofox: I don't know but I'm pretty sure that some people here speak Italian |
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| 22:51.25 | antofox | ok, grazie assaije |
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| 23:06.39 | Centurion_Dan | for those running ascii or unstable I've built dbus1.10.8-1 |
| 23:08.07 | Centurion_Dan | to get it you'll need to add the <mirror>/devuan ascii-proposed main to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:08.56 | Centurion_Dan | If someone using desktop can test it I'd appreciate it. I had to skip the automated tests due to bugs in them. |
| 23:10.28 | gci_admin | Happy birthday ksx4system. Here is my present for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvD3CHA48pA :D |
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| 23:12.04 | ksx4system | gci_admin: thanks \m/ |
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