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| 02:30.32 | opcode_ | First, I would like to thank all of the hard work that has been put into Devuan. A systemd free life... |
| 02:30.52 | opcode_ | How do you manually pull the gpg key for apt? |
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| 02:45.12 | robert-e | opcode: Maybe this helps: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 04:02.40 | hellekin | openfbtd: wget -O- https://devuan.org/os/keyring/repository@devuan.org.asc | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:03.02 | hellekin | sorry was for opcode_ |
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| 06:22.10 | gnu_srs | Hi, do you have any download statistics yet? |
| 06:22.36 | gnu_srs | And what about popularity-contest? |
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| 07:05.32 | jaromil | y'day we counted 600 peers on our bt tracker |
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| 07:27.13 | parazyd | 731 peers in the swarm, only our torrent box uploaded 285+GB around the world |
| 07:27.25 | parazyd | hellekin also has the number of downloads from files.devuan.org |
| 07:28.43 | jaromil | files is mirrored from day 1 so its not so indicative |
| 07:30.15 | parazyd | no, no. yesterday he told me the number of downloads of the dvd |
| 07:30.28 | parazyd | should ask him, he knows about it better |
| 07:31.18 | hellekin | yes the amd64 DVD appeared more than 10000 times in the visitors log yesterday when I looked |
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| 07:32.39 | parazyd | :3 |
| 07:33.17 | hellekin | 10427 accesses, where / only got 7552 |
| 07:34.29 | hellekin | CD version of amd64 beta got 5745 hits |
| 07:35.36 | gnu_srs | nice figures :-D |
| 07:39.07 | hellekin | stats for files.do are available at http://104.236.249.173/access.html |
| 07:39.35 | hellekin | I guess at some point we'll put this and other sources to an easy-to-remember URL. |
| 07:46.19 | parazyd | maybe just put them in infobot as 'stats'? |
| 07:48.18 | hellekin | parazyd: would be nice to have the visitors script update the infobot stats. How could we do that? |
| 07:48.47 | parazyd | by using your own bot :D |
| 07:49.32 | parazyd | no, infobot holds a static database |
| 07:50.05 | parazyd | you'd either want something refreshing it constantly (which would technically be another irc bot) or just roll your oen bot |
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| 08:02.14 | KatolaZ | hellekin: very nice numbers, indeed |
| 08:04.35 | hellekin | parazyd: infobot doesn't have an API we can call to feed it numbers? |
| 08:04.46 | hellekin | parazyd: how do you add stats? |
| 08:06.35 | hellekin | KatolaZ: not bad for a beta, but also it was very much expected. Can we reach 100,000 downloads for 1.0, and 600 *seeders*? (The question would rather be "how to...") |
| 08:06.40 | parazyd | ~stats is foo bar |
| 08:06.44 | parazyd | replace ~ with ! |
| 08:07.05 | hellekin | parazyd: so the visitors script could simply connect to IRC and send that message to infobot |
| 08:07.15 | parazyd | yes |
| 08:07.26 | parazyd | it needs to be forgotten each time first too |
| 08:07.44 | parazyd | so i'm thinking you're easier off by having your own bot for i |
| 08:07.49 | parazyd | *it |
| 08:08.00 | KatolaZ | hellekin: I believe there was some issue with the tracker at some point |
| 08:08.14 | KatolaZ | my transmission stopped to sed at a ratio about 2.8 |
| 08:08.31 | KatolaZ | I could have sed more |
| 08:08.39 | parazyd | KatolaZ: bad luck :) the dyne.org tracker is working flawlessly ever since the torrenting started |
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| 08:08.55 | parazyd | the other two people were complaining about, but i am not sure why |
| 08:08.56 | KatolaZ | that's great news |
| 08:09.01 | hellekin | parazyd: would be nice to have a graph of the swarm |
| 08:09.06 | KatolaZ | no I am not complaining :) |
| 08:09.22 | KatolaZ | just I had not enouch luck to seed more :D |
| 08:09.23 | *** topic/#devuan by ChanServ -> Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org |
| 08:09.34 | KatolaZ | ~enough |
| 08:09.41 | parazyd | hellekin: yes it would be possible i believe |
| 08:09.49 | hellekin | has an urgent need for a massive dose of proteins with a bit of caffeine. bbs |
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| 08:11.06 | jaromil | infobot: May is a good time for seeding |
| 08:11.06 | infobot | ...but may is already something else... |
| 08:11.41 | *** mode/#devuan [-o jaromil] by jaromil |
| 08:13.00 | parazyd | !may |
| 08:13.00 | infobot | May is the fifth month of the year. Duh? |
| 08:13.14 | KatolaZ | infobot: May is also a good time for seeding |
| 08:13.14 | infobot | okay, KatolaZ |
| 08:13.18 | KatolaZ | !May |
| 08:13.18 | infobot | May is the fifth month of the year. Duh?, or a good time for seeding |
| 08:13.22 | parazyd | :D |
| 08:13.26 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 08:13.38 | jaromil | ahahahaha |
| 08:16.10 | KatolaZ | infobot: May is not the fifth month of the year, Duh? |
| 08:16.11 | infobot | ...but may is already something else... |
| 08:16.16 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 08:16.21 | KatolaZ | silly infobot |
| 08:21.18 | ksx4system | !mirrors |
| 08:21.18 | infobot | well, mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 08:21.29 | ksx4system | meh, mine's still not there :( |
| 08:27.29 | Centurion_Dan | I can get unique IP's per day from packages.devuan.org - ... |
| 08:29.14 | Centurion_Dan | yesterday was 888 unique IP addresses |
| 08:30.20 | Centurion_Dan | day before was 880 |
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| 08:32.55 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: pipe them through geoiplookup :) |
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| 08:35.54 | Centurion_Dan | later.. ;-) more pressing things to do.. |
| 08:41.02 | FlibberTGibbet | late-ish congratulations to all the devs on the beta! |
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| 08:45.03 | phcv | hi :) |
| 08:47.40 | jaromil | FlibberTGibbet: thanks :D |
| 08:48.19 | jaromil | ksx4system: what is yours? |
| 08:48.37 | ksx4system | jaromil: http://devuan.ksx4system.net :) |
| 08:48.53 | jaromil | ACK! thanks! |
| 08:49.02 | jaromil | infobot: mirrors is also http://devuan.ksx4system.net |
| 08:49.02 | infobot | jaromil: okay |
| 08:49.05 | jaromil | !mirrors |
| 08:49.05 | infobot | i heard mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 08:49.14 | jaromil | meh |
| 08:50.26 | ksx4system | jaromil: np :) also seeding the torrent |
| 08:51.05 | ksx4system | I'd like to host repository mirror in the future too |
| 08:51.45 | jaromil | great |
| 08:51.49 | jaromil | added your mirror on site |
| 08:51.53 | jaromil | updating now |
| 08:51.55 | ksx4system | great |
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| 08:52.38 | KatolaZ | jaromil: I could mirror some images |
| 08:53.02 | KatolaZ | i noticed that my transmission has not sed that much lately |
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| 09:00.01 | phcv | i'm configuring just now a mirror |
| 09:00.16 | phcv | i have alredy added on git |
| 09:05.07 | phcv | https://devuan.4isp.it |
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| 09:14.57 | hellekin | phcv: how many times a day do you update? |
| 09:15.07 | phcv | every 4 hours |
| 09:15.17 | phcv | now its running first sync |
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| 09:15.44 | phcv | and i'm also seeding the torrent |
| 09:15.46 | phcv | :) |
| 09:16.43 | hellekin | sweet :) |
| 09:17.17 | hellekin | jaromil, Centurion_Dan: some people report that the DVD image ignores the files on disk and use the network instead. Sounds like a bug. |
| 09:17.39 | hellekin | jaromil, Centurion_Dan: https://talk.devuan.org/t/sharing-devuan-via-torrent/270/3 |
| 09:17.49 | KatolaZ | yep, this has been reported a few timeshere |
| 09:18.00 | KatolaZ | ~times here |
| 09:18.26 | Centurion_Dan | Indeed it does... not sure why... will need to investigate... could be the local cd mirror is not set up for use. |
| 09:18.38 | Centurion_Dan | will spin up a copy and see. |
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| 10:13.43 | hellekin | parazyd: is there a stats page / API for the bittorrent tracker? |
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| 10:16.43 | parazyd | hellekin: only for ours, not for the other two |
| 10:16.45 | parazyd | http://tracker.dyne.org:6969/starwars?mode=everything |
| 10:17.50 | hellekin | 135 seeds is for the beta torrent? |
| 10:18.04 | parazyd | yes |
| 10:18.22 | parazyd | on this tracker, on openbittorrent and demonii there are probably more |
| 10:18.35 | hellekin | 165 in the swarm sounds like about 1/6 of the users keep seeding. Not bad. |
| 10:19.03 | hellekin | (based on 600 peers figure a couple days ago) |
| 10:19.26 | parazyd | Peers: 4(740) |
| 10:35.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Peers: 6(45) |
| 10:37.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | even Peers: 6(0) |
| 10:37.37 | parazyd | unlucky |
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| 10:39.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm not going to start that hassle again, it seems to work to a degree, so I don't care |
| 10:41.25 | jaromil | its going well |
| 10:41.58 | parazyd | ceres install is fubar |
| 10:42.06 | parazyd | tries to grap libpam-systemd |
| 10:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.13 | parazyd | s/grap/grab/ |
| 10:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | even RX bytes:19797392700 (18880.2 Mb) TX bytes:57609458726 (54940.6 Mb) |
| 10:44.54 | spirou | thanks for the beta! |
| 10:45.17 | spirou | are there info somewhere what are the difference between the dvd and the cd? |
| 10:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | spirou: seems all does netinstall because of a flaw in installer |
| 10:46.27 | spirou | oh... I guess I should wait for beta2 then if I dont' want to do netinstall? |
| 10:47.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | installation definitely causes lots of network traffic even from DVD |
| 10:47.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's what users report |
| 10:48.14 | spirou | hmm.. I would like to do a installation with a not internet connected computer |
| 10:48.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | please report how it pans out |
| 10:48.42 | spirou | when can I get 32bit dvd? |
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| 10:57.00 | jaromil | spirou: we will fix this on beta2, sorry for the inconvenience |
| 10:57.08 | jaromil | we will likely have only a 32bit cd |
| 10:58.16 | jaromil | parazyd: path to ceres is dist-upgrade, we won't bother with the installer now |
| 10:59.10 | parazyd | jaromil: ah ok. from jessie is fine? |
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| 11:01.16 | spirou | ok I wait for a 32bit beta2 dvd instead before I try, hopefully it will not take that many weeks :) |
| 11:09.03 | jaromil | yes |
| 11:09.22 | jaromil | spirou: is a cd (not dvd) enough? |
| 11:10.19 | spirou | well, that depends on what is on cd and dvd of course :) |
| 11:10.48 | spirou | I still don't know what things are missing on the cd versus dvd. if it is just libreoffice then I can live without that :D |
| 11:11.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right ;-P |
| 11:11.18 | spirou | haven't used any wordprocessor or spreadsheet for many many years |
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| 11:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | spirou: no chance to do install via net for the missing parts, later on? |
| 11:12.46 | spirou | but I bet there are other things too, and would be nice to do a complete test of the beta anyway, for the betatesting, trying all the stuff on the dvd even applications I won't use later. |
| 11:13.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a fine approach indeed |
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| 11:16.14 | spirou | and the computer I betatest on do not have internet. |
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| 11:17.07 | spirou | come to think about it, it could be nice to have a .torrent with a copy of all devuan changed packages... |
| 11:17.34 | spirou | I mean for having a local repository copy |
| 11:17.55 | flrn | Hello, I just booted a fresh devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2 and found that I can not login (ssh / root), neither with psswd "devuan" nor with the two |
| 11:18.13 | flrn | parazy had posted on DNG |
| 11:18.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ^^^ |
| 11:19.34 | parazyd | flrn: that's not the latest image (try "toor") as the root password |
| 11:19.47 | parazyd | otherwise, just grab the latest from any mirror, where password is "devuan" |
| 11:21.53 | flrn | thank you, toor works. the image was downloaded 1h ago from files.deviuan.org |
| 11:32.59 | jaromil | parazyd: we haven't updated the images with the last password |
| 11:33.04 | jaromil | that's for the beta2 now |
| 11:33.43 | parazyd | ack |
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| 12:05.17 | ksx4system | feels adventurous |
| 12:05.45 | ksx4system | I'm converting 128MB VPS with ultra minimal Debian 7 to Devuan jessie |
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| 12:24.02 | spirou | please tell us more about the results :) |
| 12:24.21 | spirou | what is "ultra minimal" btw? |
| 12:24.34 | jaromil | 128MB ram |
| 12:24.40 | spirou | likes adventures |
| 12:25.04 | jaromil | it should work. its was the min req for dyne:bolic 2 :^) |
| 12:25.10 | spirou | ok |
| 12:25.55 | spirou | considering windowsNT4.0 was fine with 12MB then 128MB is lots or ram :D |
| 12:26.20 | spirou | (16MB for the server version though, 32MB recommended) |
| 12:27.35 | spirou | 128MB was its disk space minimal requirement ^_^ |
| 12:27.43 | spirou | *124 |
| 12:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | my first linux iirc was fine with 8MB RAM |
| 12:31.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | no X11 though |
| 12:31.19 | jaromil | same. it was yggdrasyl |
| 12:31.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no videocard for that |
| 12:31.34 | jaromil | trident worked |
| 12:31.39 | jaromil | but was hard to find |
| 12:32.23 | jaromil | i switched to slackware immediately, since the sunsite mirror double-cd with sources from metalab was more usable with it |
| 12:32.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sounds familiar, though I *think* first X11 was on Silicon GFX (not Silicon Graphics) |
| 12:32.39 | jaromil | SiS you mean? |
| 12:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | SiS yeees |
| 12:32.50 | jaromil | eheh |
| 12:32.55 | jaromil | yes that was more avail in eu |
| 12:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | a nightmare |
| 12:32.59 | jaromil | indeed |
| 12:33.29 | jaromil | but if you count X for SG then I used to work on an indigo and on a octane |
| 12:33.37 | jaromil | but I think that was later |
| 12:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Indigo, when it was handed to me to salvage it from getting junked |
| 12:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | before I had no access to _that_ class of awesomeness |
| 12:34.43 | jaromil | fantastic machine ruined by a crappy license for the icc compiler |
| 12:34.49 | jaromil | loosers |
| 12:34.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:35.20 | jaromil | wonder where are the business managers who imposed such a choice to the company now |
| 12:35.34 | jaromil | probably in the bahamas spending their retirement with the same managers that ruined nokia <g> |
| 12:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ prolly right |
| 12:36.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~google Elop |
| 12:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | though he was only the mole, the true suckers were the board |
| 12:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>as the president of worldwide field operations at Adobe Systems<< gives me hope |
| 12:38.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:38.27 | jaromil | i wonder if there is any lesson learned in IT industry |
| 12:38.41 | jaromil | adobe is so bust |
| 12:38.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, "send Elop to your enemy" |
| 12:38.47 | jaromil | ahahahah |
| 12:40.12 | jaromil | 8. Fiat Chrysler ? srsly? |
| 12:40.26 | jaromil | ahahahah |
| 12:40.29 | jaromil | ok is a satire |
| 12:40.53 | jaromil | Double-Elop. ROTFL |
| 12:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Nokia's Board of Directors saw the memo as act of misjudgment and Chairman Jorma Ollila gave bitter feedback for it at a board meeting<< blablabla |
| 12:41.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#.22Burning_Platform.22_memo |
| 12:42.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | whom did they think they hired? and what did they think this M$ mole would do to Nokia? |
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| 12:44.48 | jaromil | i just elaborated a funny twit joke on elop ahahah |
| 12:44.56 | jaromil | gotta go back to work now bbl |
| 12:46.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | wnats to slap somebody each time when reading "differentiation" |
| 12:47.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | differentiation isn't a puspose in itself, it's an attribute you earn by delivering superior results |
| 12:48.04 | ksx4system | spirou: ultra minimal = 250ish MB wheezy instance (BuyVM provider) |
| 12:48.38 | ksx4system | a bit fucked up because I'm stuck with upstart (WTF?) which was preinstalled (srsly wtf?) |
| 12:48.48 | jaromil | uh? |
| 12:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 12:49.00 | ksx4system | jaromil: b0rked OpenVZ template |
| 12:49.11 | jaromil | upstart buahahaahah sorry but i cannot stop laughing when i think of it |
| 12:49.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | upstart is gold compared to systemd |
| 12:49.25 | ksx4system | true |
| 12:49.33 | jaromil | fail small is better than fail big you mean |
| 12:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 12:49.43 | jaromil | sure |
| 12:49.58 | ksx4system | "/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon" WTF |
| 12:50.14 | ksx4system | dpkg -l | grep systemd of course is empty |
| 12:50.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never touched ubuntu (when I could avoid) - until I seen systemd, and started to learn to appreciate upstart over a systemd platform |
| 12:50.53 | ksx4system | if they only had 32-bit jessie image... |
| 12:51.04 | ksx4system | 128MB is too small to waste memory for 64-bit |
| 12:51.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually maemo is upstart based |
| 12:52.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | sort of |
| 12:53.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a completely unrelated sidenote: dragonbog pyra preorders started |
| 12:53.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/bog/box/ |
| 12:54.16 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: fix that! |
| 12:54.18 | jaromil | :^) |
| 12:54.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | fix what? |
| 12:54.37 | jaromil | take upstart out of maemo |
| 12:54.52 | jaromil | btw i saw openrc and can only say good things about it |
| 12:54.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, nobody is really touching maemo |
| 12:55.03 | jaromil | will test it as soon as there is a package |
| 12:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's in maintenance mode for now |
| 12:55.30 | jaromil | well ok, if it works... |
| 12:55.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | eventually there might be a maemo6 communityversion that might tackle such things |
| 12:56.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo5 is finalized and closer to EOL than to any upstart fixing |
| 12:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should rather call it maemo9 |
| 12:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo6 is a moniker for harmattan already |
| 12:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and harmattan is fubar |
| 12:58.23 | zdzichu | isn't it dead for years? |
| 12:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | harmattan? yes |
| 12:58.44 | zdzichu | I have to take my n900 from closet one day, and flash something recent into it |
| 12:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia did an excellent job locking it down |
| 12:59.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | N900 still alive |
| 12:59.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo5 |
| 13:00.13 | zdzichu | I saw people still working on upstream kernel support for n900 |
| 13:00.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 13:00.29 | parazyd | zdzichu: yes pali is working on it and doing an amazing job |
| 13:00.32 | zdzichu | they accomplished charging ability with new batteyr driver |
| 13:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf |
| 13:00.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 13:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali and freemangordon |
| 13:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: fptf |
| 13:01.55 | infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 13:02.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah dang ~ |
| 13:02.34 | ksx4system | oh, that's all folks - it's just b0rked OpenVZ image |
| 13:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 13:02.50 | ksx4system | sysvinit *will* break it and my provider didn't bother to fucking upgrade the image |
| 13:03.06 | ksx4system | reflashing to 64-bit jessie, that'll be whole lot easier |
| 13:03.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so at least do a backup now |
| 13:03.34 | ksx4system | that was fresh box, nothing to back up :D |
| 13:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah |
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| 13:03.45 | ksx4system | I've reflashed it 4 times already lol |
| 13:04.54 | ksx4system | https://bugs.openvz.org/browse/OVZ-5739 |
| 13:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>debian 7 dist-upgrade removes upstart and installs sysvinit<< *sigh* |
| 13:11.21 | parazyd | like that's a bug :D |
| 13:12.52 | ksx4system | parazyd: whatever, reflashed to jessie and I'm upgrading to Devuan now |
| 13:13.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | "that's not a bug, that's a MEGAFEATURE" |
| 13:13.12 | ksx4system | Devuan everywhere <3 |
| 13:13.15 | parazyd | lol |
| 13:13.42 | ksx4system | deploys Devuan on production servers since march or sth |
| 13:13.51 | parazyd | +1 |
| 13:15.14 | Leander256 | I put it on all my computers, but for the production servers, I'm still hesitating, I don't quite get how the security patches are managed |
| 13:15.49 | parazyd | as fast as debian |
| 13:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | we should open a wikipage ot whatever on devuan to list all (relevant) installations |
| 13:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | like ksx4system ^^^ |
| 13:16.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | number of servers etc |
| 13:16.34 | ksx4system | would be great :D |
| 13:16.52 | ksx4system | + we have to force distrowatch crew to list Devuan |
| 13:17.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 13:17.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | distrowatch is failwhale |
| 13:18.17 | ksx4system | true |
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| 13:19.59 | Leander256 | what I mean is, do you have a separate URL for security updates, or is it all included in the http://devuan.org/merged/ one? |
| 13:20.48 | ksx4system | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 13:20.49 | ksx4system | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main |
| 13:20.55 | parazyd | it's all on the homepage |
| 13:21.55 | Leander256 | my bad |
| 13:26.22 | jaromil | files up againz |
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| 13:29.27 | Kamineko | hello |
| 13:29.41 | Kamineko | i have a new mirror running |
| 13:30.10 | jaromil | great! |
| 13:31.18 | Kamineko | how can i submit info ? |
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| 13:38.10 | ksx4system | Kamineko: tell jaromil (or us all actually) the address :) |
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| 13:48.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 13:48.58 | infobot | mirrors is probably https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 13:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is that a repo mirror? |
| 13:49.35 | jaromil | no repo mirror no |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | then first step: post the URL here so it can get included to the list. No idea how to make it show up on the webpage |
| 13:51.32 | jaromil | for repo mirrors we'll need some more work on amprolla, which nextime is planning. |
| 13:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kamineko: you got an URL for us? |
| 13:59.40 | Kamineko | yes |
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| 13:59.58 | Kamineko | http, ftp; tux.rainside.sk |
| 14:00.02 | Kamineko | 1Gbit |
| 14:00.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm asking because I'm soon afk |
| 14:00.25 | Kamineko | i can also do packages |
| 14:00.42 | Kamineko | but only isos are mirrored now |
| 14:01.14 | Kamineko | we are official mirror for more distros |
| 14:01.32 | jaromil | i see, thanks! we'll have later the possibility to mirror packages too |
| 14:01.55 | Kamineko | Keep up the good work :-) |
| 14:02.05 | Sudos | wait, people have wheezy boxes with upstart? when did that ever become a thing? |
| 14:02.10 | jaromil | 10x, yes |
| 14:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 14:02.13 | infobot | i heard mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh ftp:& http://tux.rainside.sk/ http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 14:02.57 | jaromil | btw i see you have kali, expect something similar based on devuan soon :^) heard from some ppl they are working on it |
| 14:03.33 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: I'm investigating the dns problem I have and setting up neo900_devuanfiles.dev-one.org |
| 14:03.41 | jaromil | can you add that as serveralias ? |
| 14:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | serveralias? |
| 14:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I suck at DNS et al |
| 14:07.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | please be specific what you need |
| 14:08.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | the URL is already working in the vhost.cfg |
| 14:08.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, it's a different UTL? |
| 14:08.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL? |
| 14:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, no problem |
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| 14:09.46 | Sudos | also, any word yet on when some of the more exotic ports will start showing up in ISO/repo form yet now that devuan's in beta? |
| 14:10.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: changed to neo900_devuanfiles.dev-one.org (from dev-1.org) |
| 14:10.07 | Sudos | or is that still reserved for when x86&armhf go stable stable? |
| 14:11.18 | Sudos | x86/64* |
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| 14:12.23 | Kamineko | can you plz change my mirror info to: ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ ? |
| 14:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing |
| 14:13.20 | Kamineko | oki |
| 14:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
| 14:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kamineko: please check: |
| 14:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 14:16.57 | infobot | from memory, mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-1.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 14:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, dev-one? |
| 14:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Kamineko: many thanks btw |
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| 14:21.42 | firegarden | i don't find the default password for devuan |
| 14:21.44 | firegarden | raspberry image |
| 14:22.25 | KatolaZ | firegarden: it should be devuan AFAIK |
| 14:22.33 | KatolaZ | but I haven't tried |
| 14:22.34 | firegarden | i try it |
| 14:22.41 | firegarden | i try porcoddio too |
| 14:22.42 | firegarden | :D |
| 14:22.59 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 14:23.02 | firegarden | there isn't no readme |
| 14:23.22 | firegarden | double negation is affermation? :> |
| 14:24.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | toor |
| 14:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | pw ^^^ |
| 14:24.53 | firegarden | KatolaZ |
| 14:24.56 | firegarden | ah forse l'ho trovata :D |
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| 14:25.21 | firegarden | porcoddio è toor |
| 14:25.51 | firegarden | shit |
| 14:25.57 | firegarden | i prefer porcoddio |
| 14:25.59 | firegarden | or devuan :> |
| 14:26.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-03/?msg=65351755&page=3 |
| 14:28.17 | parazyd | firegarden: ahahahah |
| 14:29.06 | firegarden | :P |
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| 15:34.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm starting to feel slightly pissed for not getting included to the Mirrors list |
| 15:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | something wrong with that mirror? |
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| 15:36.05 | parazyd | hellekin, jaromil ^^^ |
| 15:43.50 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: its my fault that the dns has something strange i cannot find the time to look up yet, took a stab today :/ |
| 15:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | use http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 15:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the DNS will be stable for a few months |
| 15:50.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't like the URL, Werner can change it I guess, e.g. to http://devuan.almesberger.net (NOT changed yet!) |
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| 16:31.35 | jaromil | would be nicer |
| 16:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
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| 17:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (dyne.org NS) I still wonder if it's the underline in the URL. I'll happily add as serveralias whatever you want, no particular preferences here |
| 17:08.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: IOW create the subdomain you want the server to have, and tell me to add it |
| 17:21.44 | jaromil | it may be the underline indeed |
| 17:21.56 | jaromil | i use bind9 |
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| 17:25.39 | eugo | so the beta is out and i have a few questions |
| 17:25.55 | eugo | does devuan host its own repository? |
| 17:26.15 | eugo | or rather, does devuan use packages from debian? |
| 17:27.07 | furrywolf | devuan has its own repository, however many of the packages in it are merged from debian's. |
| 17:27.38 | furrywolf | there's also a number of mirrors |
| 17:28.20 | eugo | what i'm trying to ask is: does devuan download any packages from the debian repositories? |
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| 17:28.51 | furrywolf | no. devuan downloads packages from the devuan repository and its mirrors. |
| 17:29.20 | eugo | ok thanks |
| 17:30.20 | golinux | eugo: I downloads packages from Debian via the amprolla script which brings in packages from the Debian repos. |
| 17:30.41 | golinux | *I > It |
| 17:30.59 | eugo | does any of you know if devuan will be getting a CVE tracker? |
| 17:31.06 | furrywolf | noses around golinux's kitchen sniffing the air looking for breakfast |
| 17:32.18 | furrywolf | doesn't know what a cve tracker is, so can't answer that |
| 17:32.26 | golinux | doesn't allow furry things in her kitchen |
| 17:32.50 | eugo | its for tracking vulnerabilities and managing fixes |
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| 17:33.05 | Lydia_K | hands golinux a rolled up newspaper |
| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't know why Devuan needs an own one, so far |
| 17:33.38 | golinux | Isn't that what our gitlab is for? |
| 17:33.42 | eugo | if they want to be serious on security, they should get one |
| 17:33.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly |
| 17:34.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | serious about security first of all means to track upstream for CVE fixes |
| 17:35.18 | eugo | e.g. debian is the upstream distro here? |
| 17:35.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | genuine devuan vulnerabilities would have to come from genuine devuan packages |
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| 17:35.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | in a certain sense it is, yes |
| 17:36.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | vdev comes to mind |
| 17:36.39 | eugo | i guess its a matter of how much devuan want to or end up distancing themselves from debian |
| 17:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | fors sure there will be 8or already is) a devuan CVE tracker |
| 17:37.17 | eugo | are you a devuan dev? |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui devuan wants to stick to debian as close as possibly and as little as needed to stay sane |
| 17:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | no devuan dev here |
| 17:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | from a user perspective anyway I'd rather prefer to see CVE managed in debian than in devuan and then propagating "up" to debian |
| 17:40.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course unless the package is unique to devuan, in which devuan is the head of "upstream" |
| 17:41.02 | muep_ | I'd expect most of the propagation to go downwards |
| 17:41.30 | muep_ | stuff found out about upstream projects |
| 17:42.00 | eugo | also, when are they getting a real website? |
| 17:42.03 | eugo | just a thought |
| 17:42.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 17:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with the current one? |
| 17:42.34 | furrywolf | is the current website a fake website? |
| 17:42.36 | eugo | it is awkwardly bare |
| 17:42.49 | furrywolf | so it's fast and efficient? |
| 17:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | no blibkenlights? |
| 17:43.00 | furrywolf | _hates_ "web 2.0" web design. |
| 17:43.03 | Leander256 | (it's way better than a few days ago...) |
| 17:43.05 | eugo | i mean, they could provide more info |
| 17:43.14 | eugo | like a blog and a wiki or sum |
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| 17:43.27 | furrywolf | gah. actually, since last time I looked at it, it has been web0.2ified. bleh! |
| 17:43.42 | furrywolf | we used to have a much better one. |
| 17:44.05 | furrywolf | when did that happen? |
| 17:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | last weekend? |
| 17:44.31 | eugo | its a bit better |
| 17:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're prolly welcome to contribute ;-) |
| 17:45.19 | eugo | hmmm |
| 17:45.37 | furrywolf | now it loads a bunch of javascript crap, AND has an annoying-as-fuck floating bar |
| 17:46.05 | eugo | yeah, its much easier to navigate, you're totally right |
| 17:46.52 | furrywolf | except I might actually want to, you know, READ a page, and wasting screen space with a bar that doesn't go away when I scroll down doesn't help with that. |
| 17:47.03 | furrywolf | and it breaks scrolling. |
| 17:47.07 | eugo | you must have a tiny screen |
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| 17:47.15 | eugo | i can scroll just fine |
| 17:47.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | some people have tiny screens, yes |
| 17:47.55 | furrywolf | go to the top of the page. look at what line is at the bottom of the screen. now page down. now look at what's at the top of the screen. now scroll back up until you find what was on the screen before... |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | are they not men? |
| 17:48.34 | furrywolf | when you put useless crap across the screen, it covers up content. the browser still scrolls a screenful, even though only, say, 85% of that screen is visible, causing 15% of the page to get skipped when you scroll. |
| 17:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack |
| 17:49.01 | eugo | i'm sorry, i don't follow |
| 17:49.09 | eugo | well thx for the help |
| 17:49.56 | Leander256 | it only happens when you start from the top, and I suspect it's because of the top-most banner that disappears |
| 17:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: I've seen even 'smarter' stuff that gone away on scrolling down and came in again on scrolling up |
| 17:50.53 | furrywolf | it does it all the time in most browsers. you're probably using firefox. newish versions of firefox have been forced to add detection for stupidity like floating bars and attempt to figure out how much of the page is actually visible. it works some of the time... |
| 17:51.10 | furrywolf | I've heard chrome has added such logic too, but I don't use google products. heh. |
| 17:51.25 | eugo | since we're talking about annoying website trends, i hate it when a website detects i'm about to close the tab and give me a pop-up asking me to reconsider |
| 17:51.47 | furrywolf | DocScrutinizer51: I prefer the smartest stuff... leaving navigation at the top of the page where it belongs. :P |
| 17:52.17 | furrywolf | there's also way, way too much white space on the new design. |
| 17:52.34 | eugo | i agree with the static top bar though |
| 17:52.54 | eugo | it should just scroll with the page like normally |
| 17:53.32 | furrywolf | going through the css and removing every margin, padding, and most of the font sizes makes it much more pleasant. |
| 17:53.36 | Leander256 | it looks fine on a 1080p monitor anyway, and I guess that's the "target audience" |
| 17:54.30 | furrywolf | looks fine? you don't have a bunch of blank space around EVERYTHING? |
| 17:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | "optimized for 1080. Please get a matching screen to make full use of this site" |
| 17:55.04 | furrywolf | body { .. line-height: 1.6; ... what. the. fuck. |
| 17:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | jokes aside, the amount of whitespace left and right makes me wonder why the navigation bar has to hoover at the top |
| 17:55.38 | furrywolf | is this high school where you double-space your text to make it look bigger? |
| 17:55.51 | eugo | furrywolf: have you tried the reader feature on firefox? it instantly transforms the website into text only (for websites that support it) |
| 17:56.10 | eugo | you can try it here http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bare?s=t |
| 17:56.22 | eugo | its the book thingy in the URL bar |
| 17:56.49 | Leander256 | I just find it nice that the text is not all cramped together |
| 17:57.35 | furrywolf | I find it nice when text is displayed according to my font and size settings. not when random websites decide to pick random sizes, spacing, etc. |
| 17:59.42 | furrywolf | putting the entire document at 1.6 line spacing is just fucking stupid. If fonts looked better with that much spacing, THAT'S HOW THEY'D BE DESIGNED. |
| 18:00.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a 3.5" 800*480 screen it looks pretty good |
| 18:01.30 | Leander256 | I just think that these points of view are often subjective, so I won't go into the technical arguments of why and how |
| 18:01.46 | furrywolf | if it looks good with 1.6 line spacing, your font is broken. |
| 18:01.59 | eugo | i don't think about stuff like fonts |
| 18:02.05 | Leander256 | especially with HTML and CSS, trying to cater for everyone's screen on everyone's browser is a gigantic headache |
| 18:02.17 | furrywolf | see, that's exactly what's wrong. |
| 18:02.23 | furrywolf | you don't cater for ANYONE'S screen or browser |
| 18:02.43 | furrywolf | the browser is responsible for the presentation of content |
| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I thought that's exactly what HTML was all about |
| 18:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that plus links |
| 18:03.23 | furrywolf | only things like headers, etc should have font properties applied to them. then the main content is displayed according to the browser's settings. |
| 18:03.48 | furrywolf | and the browser knows, among other things, what the display is, and what the user has set for their default font face, size, spacing, etc. |
| 18:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | would allow linewrap when zooming in, yes |
| 18:04.28 | eugo | i think what furrywolf is saying is that plaintext is all you need |
| 18:04.42 | furrywolf | that way all web pages are presented similarly, and are pleasing to the user. |
| 18:05.10 | Leander256 | as I said, that's your point of view |
| 18:05.26 | Leander256 | you see all that as functional |
| 18:05.30 | eugo | yeah i need my cat pics /s |
| 18:05.44 | Leander256 | I'm ok with decorating things here and there |
| 18:06.19 | furrywolf | presenting text in a manner explicitly contrary to a user's preferred settings does not make users happy. |
| 18:06.30 | eugo | some users i guess |
| 18:07.20 | eugo | i think lynx would suit you perfectly |
| 18:07.24 | furrywolf | and 1.6 line spacing is just... what the fuck? |
| 18:07.24 | Lydia_K | I hate how people define black text in input boxes on web pages, it screws with my dark themes and makes me very unhappy. |
| 18:08.11 | parazyd | Lydia_K: use stylish |
| 18:08.40 | parazyd | http://sprunge.us/AccG |
| 18:09.15 | furrywolf | if I needed my text at 1.6 size and spacing, know what? I'd turn up the default font size in my browser, or adjust system-wide properties. the fact that I didn't means that I don't want stupidly large text with padding-high-school-essay line spacing. |
| 18:09.23 | Lydia_K | I finally started to, but that doesn't solve every web page. |
| 18:09.37 | Lydia_K | and it's another bloated plugin on top of a bloated browser. |
| 18:09.42 | Lydia_K | But thank you for the suggestion. |
| 18:09.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | zooming in on 3.5" so I can read the font makes the text wider than the screen and thus impossible to read |
| 18:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so either way barely readable on smartphone |
| 18:11.07 | furrywolf | I don't like bashing on volunteer efforts, but that's just plain bad web design. |
| 18:11.42 | Leander256 | oh I have a funny effect on my android, if I double "click", it actually zooms out instead of zooming in |
| 18:11.46 | furrywolf | never, ever fuck with the default font properties |
| 18:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side the navi bar scrolls out of the way |
| 18:14.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | back to content, I think the new website is a huge improvement |
| 18:16.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ususally I try to ignore style/design as long as it's not completely ruining the content. Became too common to start bothering each time. The web on regression is a ubiquitous fact these days) |
| 18:16.34 | furrywolf | we should start making all library books large-print, just for the few people who prefer that. |
| 18:16.43 | furrywolf | who cares if they become 6" thick |
| 18:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, wasn't there a "use custom CSS" in konqueror? |
| 18:20.03 | furrywolf | I need to write a firefox extension that tries to figure out when websites are fucking with the default text and prevents it... but there's just so much wrong with many web pages that it'd barely be a start. |
| 18:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you also need to remove all hard linebreaks then |
| 18:21.45 | furrywolf | the lack of line wrap is due to other parts of the design, not hardcoded linebreaks. it's not THAT bad. :) |
| 18:22.10 | furrywolf | the css has been "optimized" to be unreadable, so I'm not going to bother trying to figure out where that is... |
| 18:22.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | didn't even look into the sourcecode |
| 18:23.52 | furrywolf | hrmm, where do I submit patches to the website? :) |
| 18:23.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't there a "unclutter this page" button in firefox once? |
| 18:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: I guess that would be git? |
| 18:25.34 | Leander256 | what about putting a dropdown menu so that people can select their CSS file of choice? (just asking, really, I suspect it wouldn't be a top-priority anyway) |
| 18:26.33 | eugo | the problem with custom css like that is it won't probably work on all pages since not every page has the same layout or use the same coding style, etc |
| 18:27.34 | furrywolf | the problem is web designers who try to change their webpages until they're happy with how their web page looks to them, rather than changing their own browser settings until all web pages look good and not screwing up their own page... |
| 18:27.56 | eugo | basically, this is already solved with something like this: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clutter-free-web-pages |
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| 18:29.38 | furrywolf | I am not trying to remove web page clutter, or any actual content on the page. I just want the content displayed according to my default font settings, and without a bunch of pointless whitespace around everything. |
| 18:30.11 | furrywolf | given as it removes space, I'd probably call it a clutterer, not a clutter remover... :P |
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| 18:33.59 | furrywolf | bbl, off to run errands |
| 18:34.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaahyep, re >>wasn't there a "unclutter this page"?<<: >>If a page is available in Reader View, the Reader View icon Reader mode will appear in the address bar. << It doesn't so devuan.org doesn't qualify for uncluttering I guess |
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| 18:35.14 | furrywolf | it isn't a problem with the browser. it's a problem with web designers make really bad web pages. |
| 18:35.15 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 18:36.59 | Swegh | Hi, I want to make an mirror where the .iso files is hosted. Mainly because I want to contribute because I find the bandwith on the servers are quite low |
| 18:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome how https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-reader-view-clutter-free-web-pages itself has that hovering horizontal bar |
| 18:37.18 | Swegh | Who do I talk to, to make it an official mirror? |
| 18:37.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | just post the URL here |
| 18:37.43 | Swegh | And is there an "offical" rsync mirror also? |
| 18:38.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | see MIRRORS.txt in files |
| 18:38.19 | Swegh | well, it's downloading right now. Running an rsync from devuan.lucylaika.ovh::devuan. The mirror I have set up is devuan.lucylaika.ovh::devuan |
| 18:38.24 | Swegh | sorry, devuan.selea.se |
| 18:38.42 | Swegh | I am going to harden up the server a bit also |
| 18:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *guess* rsyncs are supposed to run against the genuine fileserver |
| 18:40.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://files.devuan.org/MIRRORS.txt |
| 18:40.40 | Swegh | Oh, is it that easy. Thanks |
| 18:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) |
| 18:43.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Swegh: anyway I'd finish the running rsync from devuan.lucylaika.ovh::devuan |
| 18:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | just use files.devuan.org::devuan for the cronjob then |
| 18:44.07 | Swegh | Alright |
| 18:44.26 | Swegh | Going quite fast with 2Gbit net |
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| 18:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | tell when the URL is up |
| 18:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | !tell Swegh about mirrors |
| 19:03.50 | parazyd | !trackerstats is http://tracker.dyne.org:6969/stats?mode=peer |
| 19:03.50 | infobot | parazyd: okay |
| 19:04.22 | parazyd | was just reset to give proper stats, now we wait for the peers to reconnect :) |
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| 19:20.35 | gci_admin | Hmmm, my local mirror only has the ISO files under mirrors/files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta. Where are the instructions for getting a complete local distribution mirror with the packages for Devuan? |
| 19:21.17 | gci_admin | I need that for systems that are in some of the security zones here because they are not allowed to "talk" to the internet. |
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| 19:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-05-03 Tue 15:51:32] <jaromil> for repo mirrors we'll need some more work on amprolla, which nextime is planning. |
| 19:30.08 | gci_admin | DocScrutinizer05, is that to me? |
| 19:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 19:30.16 | gci_admin | Okay, thanks. |
| 19:30.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yw |
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| 19:46.30 | *** topic/#devuan is Devuan discussion channel - Beta is out https://www.devuan.org - forum on https://talk.devuan.org - irc logs https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
| 19:46.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | !mirrors |
| 19:46.43 | infobot | well, mirrors is https://devuan.voyanet.org/ http://devuan.lucylaika.ovh http://devuan.ksx4system.net/ ftp, http://tux.rainside.sk/devuan/ http://neo900_devuanfiles.dev-one.org (eventually, until then:) http://devuan-temporary-mirror.almesberger.net |
| 19:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 19:47.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | done |
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| 20:02.47 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
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| 20:04.30 | fsmithred | Installing beta should give me purpy desktop theme, shoudn't it? |
| 20:05.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wb Centurion_Dan |
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| 20:05.54 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: yeah, but desktop-base is a bit broken.... I need to fix that... |
| 20:06.03 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 20:06.29 | fsmithred | is there a Clearlooks-purpy package? |
| 20:06.57 | fsmithred | n/m, aptitude search says no |
| 20:10.21 | Centurion_Dan | it's in gitlab https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme but I foo'd up the initial application of golinux's theme by forgetting to apply the quilt patches first... grrr. |
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| 20:10.41 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 20:10.44 | Centurion_Dan | hi rleigh! |
| 20:11.09 | rleigh | Hello |
| 20:11.15 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: I'll have to drop all the changes to the theme and redo it. |
| 20:11.47 | Centurion_Dan | rleigh: been a little while. You happy about the beta? |
| 20:12.25 | Centurion_Dan | lot's a funkiness to sort out still with the installer |
| 20:12.35 | rleigh | I haven't tried it yet, but certainly I was happy to read about it, and definitely congrats on all the hard work that went into it. |
| 20:12.51 | rleigh | Hopefully I'll find time to give it a whirl in a VM in the near-ish future. |
| 20:13.43 | Centurion_Dan | yeah.... it's great to get it out, but now have to wade through all the cruft it's exposing and tidy it up... |
| 20:17.09 | Centurion_Dan | looks like openssl has another security update... |
| 20:17.29 | Centurion_Dan | no fix for wheezy yet tho. |
| 20:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's the vuln this time? |
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| 20:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | reads https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-May/000072.html |
| 20:21.23 | rleigh | Centurion_Dan: When I do give the installer a go, is there anything specific which needs testing? |
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| 20:23.08 | Centurion_Dan | I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't mount and use the cd/dvd media for packages - currently it gets the network running and then switches to using the repositories... |
| 20:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | what happens when there's no network available? |
| 20:25.07 | fsmithred | I got messages saying it couldn't find a file named Packages, but there was a Packages.gz where it was looking. |
| 20:27.33 | rleigh | I've seen that with local repos when I'd forgotten something like IIRC the Release file. |
| 20:28.12 | fsmithred | does Release go in the same directory as Packages.gz? |
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| 20:31.04 | rleigh | fsmithred: Yes. E.g. ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Release |
| 20:31.20 | fsmithred | and a copyright file there, too? |
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| 20:31.39 | rleigh | Not at that level. There's also a Release file here: ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release |
| 20:32.18 | fsmithred | I just realized I still have the iso mounted. I can look |
| 20:32.40 | rleigh | I /think/ the looking for Packages might be a fallback to the "old" (ancient) repository layout if it doesn't see the "modern" files in the right places. |
| 20:33.28 | rleigh | I remember spending ages fiddling with this when I added support for creating local repos to sbuild before I got it working nicely. |
| 20:34.29 | fsmithred | dists/jessie/main/debian-installer/binary-i386/ has Packages.gz and Release, but the installer said it was looking for Packages. |
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| 20:37.24 | fsmithred | Gaah! purpy wallpaper is blue |
| 20:38.29 | fsmithred | gtk3-engines-xfce not installed |
| 20:38.33 | Centurion_Dan | I had a look at the installer logs and spotted this line: |
| 20:42.11 | fsmithred | ? |
| 20:43.08 | Centurion_Dan | cdrom-detect: Base system not installable from CD, requesting choosemirror |
| 20:43.09 | fsmithred | also gtk2-engines missing - without that one, highlighted items are invisible. |
| 20:44.40 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred - but that should all be pulled in with xfce4?? It was before why isn't it now?? |
| 20:44.51 | fsmithred | This can't be the right wallpaper. It's from the cpp theme zipfile, but it's blue. |
| 20:45.06 | fsmithred | gtk2-engines-xfce was installed, but the other two were not. |
| 20:45.35 | Centurion_Dan | yeah the path for our wallpaper was wrong. The fix is in gitlab for that... |
| 20:45.42 | fsmithred | and all wavy. ok. |
| 20:45.56 | fsmithred | I might actually have a copy of the right desktop background. |
| 20:46.10 | fsmithred | it should have the D swoosh, right? |
| 20:47.31 | fsmithred | software freedom your way? |
| 20:49.10 | Centurion_Dan | you'll find it is /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-background |
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| 20:49.55 | Centurion_Dan | building the fixed version for jessie now. You can add the repo /devuan jessie-proposed main to get it. |
| 20:52.04 | fsmithred | wow, there's a lot of them in there |
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| 20:54.52 | jaromil | i think it needs fixing |
| 20:55.26 | jaromil | oh i was reading backlog lol |
| 20:56.08 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil: I think i'm going to need to fork debian-cd to get rid of all the "Debian"ness in the names. |
| 20:56.25 | jaromil | understandable |
| 21:02.32 | Centurion_Dan | I think the cd is rejected because it's not gpg signed. |
| 21:03.00 | Centurion_Dan | I'll get nextime to add an installer key to devuan-keyring. |
| 21:03.36 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: a lot of what? |
| 21:03.54 | fsmithred | a lot of wallpapers in that one file |
| 21:04.27 | Centurion_Dan | yeah... wanted good coverage for the different size-aspect ratio's. |
| 21:05.19 | fsmithred | I'm making a snapshot of the beta install now, as we speak, just to see how it comes out. |
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| 21:06.02 | Centurion_Dan | I'd have preferred if we could have one SVG and scale + crop to suit, but gtk's svg implementation doesn't utilise the metadata that would enable that. |
| 21:06.40 | fsmithred | ok, I don't know about svg |
| 21:13.58 | Centurion_Dan | anyway point is, the backgrounds are there. In the newer version I've dropped the grub-theme hook in /etc/default/grub and will need to fork and rebuild grub to get it to work the proper way... |
| 21:18.05 | jaromil | no big need for a theme on grub |
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| 21:20.43 | fsmithred | oh, I think I had a weird thing happen when grub was installing |
| 21:21.46 | fsmithred | I got the message that the config file had changed and do I want the developer's version or keep my version (on a new install?) and I chose "show differences" and it didn't show me anything - it proceeded to install and update grub. |
| 21:26.02 | rleigh | Night folks. |
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| 21:37.20 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: yeah that's because desktop base hacks /etc/default/grub before it is installed... and that bad behaviour has been reverted. |
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| 21:46.11 | Centurion_Dan | ok.. got to go and do a vdsl connection... |
| 21:46.27 | fsmithred | ok, take it easy |
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| 22:04.17 | senri | There's quite a few missing packages at the moment. For instance, I'm interested in learning Lisp, but I can't find the clisp package on amd64. |
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