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| 18:27.47 | joshinct | FunkyStickman: Got the G3 iBook working, finally. Well, as good as itâs going to work. :) |
| 18:27.56 | FunkyStickman | joshinct: was just about to ask you! |
| 18:28.14 | FunkyStickman | How did the install go? |
| 18:28.22 | joshinct | A bunch of coasters later. |
| 18:28.25 | FunkyStickman | Sorry I've been out, was sick yesterday |
| 18:28.30 | FunkyStickman | LOL... |
| 18:28.32 | joshinct | No worries. |
| 18:29.02 | FunkyStickman | Glad you got it working. Love to see these old computers still kicking. |
| 18:31.30 | joshinct | Lubuntu 16.04 was too big for a CD, so I tried the mini.iso. I eventually tried the full version on a USB key. All the flavors of the 16.04 installer disc that I tried would hang during the boot process. |
| 18:32.14 | joshinct | The 14.04 mini.iso would boot into the installer dialogue, but the kernel version it wanted was no longer in the repo and it wouldnât let me point it to any other URL. |
| 18:32.43 | FunkyStickman | Jeez. |
| 18:33.06 | FunkyStickman | yeah. Something must have changed with 16.04, cause I had nothing but problems with it too |
| 18:33.32 | FunkyStickman | Were you able to do an incremental upgrade? |
| 18:34.31 | joshinct | Yeah, itâs especially infuriating because thereâs a YouTube video of a guy installing Lubuntu 16.04 on the same iBook I have. But he has an external DVD drive, so Iâm wondering if something about how the install media is connected did it? Although, I tried with both a USB key and a CD, so I dunno. |
| 18:34.47 | joshinct | I tried the Lubuntu and Ubuntu 14.04 installers, and it turns out there is a bug highly specific to the particular model of G3 iBook I have that causes a kernel panic. The bug was never fixed, so I was SOL there. |
| 18:35.00 | FunkyStickman | uuuugh. |
| 18:35.23 | joshinct | Eventually found a repo for 12.04, which surprised me since itâs no longer officially supported. |
| 18:35.23 | FunkyStickman | Dang, man. That sucks. |
| 18:35.33 | joshinct | Installed 12.04 successfully! |
| 18:35.41 | joshinct | Then rolled up to 14.04. |
| 18:35.43 | FunkyStickman | Yeah! Love that! |
| 18:36.03 | joshinct | Looked at the minimum hardware requirements for 16.04 and decided itâd be inadvisable to go further with this particular machine. |
| 18:36.24 | FunkyStickman | Probably so. As long as you have the basics... and you can compile whatever else you might need... |
| 18:37.00 | joshinct | Exactly. I started with a 12.04 cli-only install, then put the Lubuntu desktop on after the upgrade to 14.04. |
| 18:37.01 | FunkyStickman | I put 16.04 on my G4, but I also went into it and disabled all the services I wasn't using |
| 18:37.14 | FunkyStickman | plus I'm using a super-light DM |
| 18:37.28 | FunkyStickman | and it's still pretty slow |
| 18:37.49 | joshinct | Lubuntu is unbelievably slow. This machine had the base-model memory installed, so itâs awful. |
| 18:38.04 | FunkyStickman | Geez. Any other desktops you'd want to try? |
| 18:38.53 | joshinct | Well, Lubuntu is based on OpenBox, so OpenBox is preinstalled as dependency. It seems to run reliably, if terribly slowly. |
| 18:39.57 | joshinct | The idea is to make this an educational machine for the kids, so I think Iâll set up auto-login and have it boot straight into OpenBox. I can put GCompris, the educational software suite in the autostart config for OpenBox and basically make it so it goes straight to it when you turn on the machine. |
| 18:40.34 | joshinct | If the performance sucks that badly, no worries. My wife pulled this machine out of dumpster, so itâs not like Iâm out any cash. :) |
| 18:40.47 | FunkyStickman | Sounds like a plan. I haven't found a really usable lightweight browser yet. Firefox is working, but slow. |
| 18:40.58 | FunkyStickman | Dillo is fast... because it doesn't do anything |
| 18:41.13 | FunkyStickman | haven't found a decent in-between yet |
| 18:41.59 | joshinct | Is Brave available? Or maybe Epic? They both block ads and trackers, which speeds load times quite a bit. |
| 18:42.52 | joshinct | What services did you disable, BTW? |
| 18:43.12 | FunkyStickman | Brave doesn't have a ppc port that I know of |
| 18:43.17 | joshinct | And are you on systemd in 16.04? |
| 18:43.18 | FunkyStickman | haven't tried epic yet |
| 18:43.51 | FunkyStickman | yeah, system init is a mish-mash-mess in 16.04. Cause the old stuff and new stuff both still work. |
| 18:45.29 | joshinct | I deleted Blueman (no Bluetooth on this old thing, anyway). Looking for other stuff I might disable or get rid of to speed things up. |
| 18:47.43 | FunkyStickman | I disabled Whoopsie (error reporting), blueman, apache2 and htcache-apache |
| 18:48.29 | FunkyStickman | trying to think what else... I left sshd on, cause I remote into it. I tried to uninstall apparmor, but it wouldn't let me, it's required for too much stuff |
| 18:48.34 | joshinct | I donât think apache2 or related software are on this one, since I didnât start with a server edition. |
| 18:48.54 | FunkyStickman | Check just to make sure. Might be installed anyway |
| 18:49.06 | joshinct | Will do. |
| 18:49.18 | FunkyStickman | And if you never intend on printing, can disable CUPS |
| 18:49.24 | joshinct | Good point. |
| 18:50.07 | FunkyStickman | I think most of the rest should be fine, but every little bit helps |
| 18:52.03 | FunkyStickman | also I disabled unattended-updates, because let's be honest, we're not going to upgrade |
| 18:57.38 | joshinct | Ha! |
| 18:57.49 | joshinct | Did you disable these using systemd processes? |
| 18:58.05 | joshinct | or did you put something in rc.conf? |
| 18:58.37 | FunkyStickman | Honestly, I don't remember... trying to use a program to disable them never worked, I had to edit a conf file, but I don't remember which one |
| 18:58.51 | FunkyStickman | was either rc.conf or initd.conf |
| 19:01.07 | joshinct | Gotcha. Thanks a lot! |
| 19:01.26 | joshinct | I should get back to work, but Iâll continue to check in for PowerPC wisdom. :) |
| 19:01.37 | FunkyStickman | Sweet. As will I. :) |
| 19:01.51 | joshinct | Looking forward. |
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| 20:53.25 | peterrooney | trying the 2019 04 11 installer (don't know of a later one) on ibook G4 - remembering to make the HFS partition bigger than usual (trying 2 MB first). |
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