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| 14:29.50 | joshinct | Is Debian PPC still a doable thing? Iâve got an ancient G3 iBook that Iâm trying to rehab into something the kids can use. Basically I just want it to run LXDE with some educational programs and typing tutor software. Nothing fancy. And if I can get it running, Iâd basically unplug it from the internet forever. |
| 14:56.26 | FunkyStickman | Here's the thing: they've phased out 32-bit ppc. Ubuntu no longer supports it. If you don't need the most current distro, then yes... you can get a ppc .iso from about 18 months ago |
| 14:57.26 | FunkyStickman | that's what I did with my G4 |
| 14:57.51 | joshinct | FunkyStickman: I thought Ubuntu had phased out support years ago. Youâre saying it was just within the past couple? Is it a port? |
| 14:58.53 | FunkyStickman | last version they released with ppc support was 16.04 I think |
| 14:59.37 | FunkyStickman | starting with 16.10 and later, they no longer offered a 32-bit ppc version |
| 15:01.02 | joshinct | Iâll definitely look into it. This could solve a lot of problems. Was it fairly straightforward install then? Iâve been trying to get mine running under Gentooânearly there, but the compile times are so horrendous itâd probably be faster to start from scratch with a working binary distribution. |
| 15:01.21 | FunkyStickman | so you can get 16.04 and update it for a few more years |
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| 15:03.30 | joshinct | FunkyStickman: Sweet, this is amazing. |
| 15:04.06 | joshinct | I shouldâve looked. I guess I just assumed theyâd killed support for it. |
| 15:04.15 | joshinct | Way earlier, I mean. |
| 15:05.15 | FunkyStickman | Yeah, I'm sort of surprised they dropped it, and and I'm sort of surprised it took that long |
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| 15:05.47 | FunkyStickman | I mean... dude, they have maintained distros for all sorts of weird stuff, why drop just ppc? But the main thing was, they don't have enough developers to test and maintain the ppc branch |
| 15:06.36 | FunkyStickman | But anyway, yes, I put Ubuntu 16.04 on my G4, runs like a champ. Using i3 desktop |
| 15:08.41 | FunkyStickman | Lord, I hate Gentoo. Like trying to build a car starting with rocks and sticks. |
| 15:09.41 | FunkyStickman | Bit of advice: I had to upgrade the RAM on my G4 before it would run the graphical Ubuntu installer, and it was still very slow. |
| 15:10.13 | FunkyStickman | It did work, but it took a while. And I think I had to use the 14.04 install disk, and upgrade it, if I remember |
| 15:13.48 | joshinct | This is fantastic. After spending weeks debugging Gentoo shit, Iâm completely thrilled. The kernel takes close to 48 hours to compile on the G3 iBook. And when I finally went to boot, turns out the yaboot boot loader recommended on page 1 of the Gentoo PPC manual doesnât support ext4 (which was also recommended on page 1). |
| 15:15.11 | FunkyStickman | *facepalm* |
| 15:15.23 | joshinct | And the convoluted partitioning scheme for yaboot is such that itâs nearly impossible to swap the boot loader for Grub after-the-fact. And even if I did, Iâd have to recompile the kernel because the the fstab file I originally compiled the kernel didnât include a boot partition, which yaboot doesnât require but grub does. |
| 15:15.34 | FunkyStickman | Another bit of advice: you can disable "whoopsie" and other Ubuntu error-reporting crap services. |
| 15:17.36 | joshinct | Thank you for all this advice. I feel like Iâve hit the jackpot here. Iâve been reinstalling Gentoo in a qemu virtual machine, which I was going to configure as a binary host for the iBook. And, oh the pain. |
| 15:20.13 | joshinct | One question: Why was it necessary to use the 14.04 install disk? |
| 15:25.09 | FunkyStickman | For some reason, I kept trying the 16.04 one (graphical, and the text-only install from the alternate install disk) and for some reason, it would never partition the HD correctly. But the 14.04 disk did it right, and I just did a dist-upgrade afterwards |
| 15:25.36 | FunkyStickman | Don't know why, but I just tried the older one to see, and it worked, so I didn't look into it further |
| 15:25.45 | FunkyStickman | just letting you know, in case |
| 15:26.01 | FunkyStickman | It would always hang when trying to format the EXT3 partition |
| 15:26.20 | FunkyStickman | the 14.04 install went through without a hitch |
| 15:26.25 | joshinct | FunkyStickman: I may start with 14.04 as you did, then. Iâve wasted so much time on this already⦠|
| 15:26.33 | FunkyStickman | Yeah, give it a shot. |
| 15:26.48 | FunkyStickman | Let me know how it works! |
| 15:27.48 | joshinct | Will do. Are you here consistently? Or do you have a preferred email/contact method? Iâd love to keep in touch, share the pain. |
| 15:28.11 | FunkyStickman | read through the ubuntu ppc FAQ, just to familiarize yourself with it. But it's a case of either it works, or it doesn't, pretty much. |
| 15:28.22 | FunkyStickman | I just joined this channel today, but I'll be back. :) |
| 15:28.39 | FunkyStickman | Since I'm running it would love to help out |
| 15:34.35 | joshinct | Hmm, so one wrinkle: I went to get the Lubuntu (as opposed to Ubuntu) PPC installer, since I figure LXDE will be preferable with the constrained hardware resources. But it only goes back to 16.04. Any idea where to find older releases? Or does the vanilla installer let you choose a desktop environment? |
| 15:37.57 | FunkyStickman | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/ |
| 15:38.16 | joshinct | Thatâs where I was, but I only see versions going back to 16.04 |
| 15:39.24 | FunkyStickman | It installs lxde by default, which is enough to get you going. Can install anything you want from there. |
| 15:39.34 | FunkyStickman | Dang, let me see if I can find where I got it from |
| 15:39.57 | joshinct | Here, right: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ |
| 15:40.21 | joshinct | The main ubuntu releases go back all the way. Itâs just the lubuntu releases that seem to be truncated. |
| 15:40.46 | FunkyStickman | Yeah, there you go. Go down tothe powerpc iso |
| 15:40.54 | FunkyStickman | Yep, that'll work |
| 15:41.35 | joshinct | And the main ubuntu PPC installer installed the LXDE desktop as the default, not GNOME or Unity? |
| 15:42.30 | FunkyStickman | I *think* so. For the powerpc version. |
| 15:42.35 | FunkyStickman | At least, mine did |
| 15:42.42 | FunkyStickman | but I replaced it anyway, lol |
| 15:43.06 | joshinct | :) Makes some sense that theyâd take the older hardware into account. |
| 15:43.44 | FunkyStickman | It should be enough to use (even if it's slow) for you to install whatever you want |
| 15:45.41 | joshinct | Final question for now: Itâs been a while since Iâve used an autoinstaller. Do you recall if you could bail after partitioning and formatting the drive? For example, if I use an Ubuntu 14.04 installer CD to prepare the hard disk, would it be straightforward to then swap out the CD, reboot and use the 16.04 Lubuntu CD to install on the drive that I prepared using the other disk? |
| 15:46.33 | FunkyStickman | If you do it manually, using the text installer, I think you can. Graphic installer just rolls through the whole thing without stopping once you put in the info |
| 15:46.51 | FunkyStickman | But even if you install 14.04, the dist-upgrade doesn't take long |
| 15:47.45 | joshinct | Gotcha. Well, this is all good news. Thanks so much for all this context. Iâm going to go do some actual work, but itâs a pleasure to have met you. I appreciate your help and Iâll keep in touch via this channel to let you know how things go. |
| 15:47.59 | FunkyStickman | Fantastic, looking forward to hearing how it went. |
| 15:48.08 | joshinct | Cheers! |
| 15:48.41 | FunkyStickman | Have a good one. |
| 15:49.16 | joshinct | Same to you! |
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