| 00:55.43 | *** join/#debianppc apt (~apt@rikers.org) |
| 00:55.43 | *** topic/#debianppc is The Debian GNU/Linux PowerPC Port: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ | Debian CDs are not bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs |
| 03:24.37 | *** join/#debianppc silvertip257 (~silvertip@unaffiliated/silvertip257) |
| 03:26.05 | silvertip257 | hello |
| 03:36.46 | silvertip257 | Is there a reason that I don't get my hard drives (only the cd-rom) when I run mac-fdisk -l ? |
| 04:17.53 | *** join/#debianppc rkvirani (~rkvirani@174.1.117.105) |
| 04:18.05 | rkvirani | Anyone know where I can get the nomachine binaries for ppc? |
| 04:20.38 | *** part/#debianppc rkvirani (~rkvirani@174.1.117.105) |
| 04:20.42 | *** join/#debianppc rkvirani (~rkvirani@174.1.117.105) |
| 04:21.58 | *** join/#debianppc silvertip257 (~silvertip@unaffiliated/silvertip257) |
| 04:31.13 | *** join/#debianppc silvertip257 (~silvertip@unaffiliated/silvertip257) |
| 05:01.16 | *** join/#debianppc simonlnu (nK5iNUOiV9@unaffiliated/simonrvn) |
| 05:53.37 | *** part/#debianppc silvertip257 (~silvertip@unaffiliated/silvertip257) |
| 08:26.53 | *** join/#debianppc grey_gandalf (~olorin@ppp-53-102.21-151.libero.it) |
| 08:27.01 | grey_gandalf | hi all |
| 08:27.34 | grey_gandalf | my iBook is messed up after my last run of aptitude update... it won't find the root anymore :( |
| 08:27.48 | grey_gandalf | I doenloaded the latest testing netinst, but how can I perform a rescue? |
| 08:28.09 | grey_gandalf | I'm unable to do much with the internal ash shell, I'm even unable to mount hy hd partition |
| 09:02.07 | *** join/#debianppc ssam (~ssam@cpc2-with5-2-0-cust470.1-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:47.33 | grey_gandalf | any hints? ideas? |
| 10:47.46 | grey_gandalf | after the upgrade of testing my root is no longer recongized |
| 11:08.59 | grey_gandalf | I think the kernel is not seeing the hard disk |
| 12:08.11 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Cannot you start "rescue" mode at "yaboot" prompt? |
| 13:25.27 | grey_gandalf | let me try |
| 13:25.38 | grey_gandalf | will you be around later, say in 3 horus or so? |
| 13:26.02 | grey_gandalf | rescue from the HD or from the cdrom? |
| 13:26.53 | grey_gandalf | cdrom :) |
| 13:30.31 | grey_gandalf | it boots, but apparently it fails to mount my root... |
| 13:36.29 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Block device is not available at dialog that asks to specify block device with root filesystem for rescue mounting? |
| 15:33.02 | *** join/#debianppc ssam (~ssam@cpc2-with5-2-0-cust470.1-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 18:31.49 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: the enter rescue mode shows the devices, hda1, hda2... hda5 but mounting anyone gives an error. the correct one should be hda4 |
| 18:37.21 | grey_gandalf | help! |
| 18:59.57 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: When rescue mode is properly running, there will be dialog for enabling RAID, LUKS, LVM and mounting filesystems... By that time, necessary drivers are loaded and tools fetched from installer "udeb" repository |
| 19:27.06 | grey_gandalf | hmm does it need network access? |
| 19:27.40 | grey_gandalf | I did not get that dialog... it clearly is detecting my had disk but it doesn't mount it. It is ext3 though, nothig special |
| 19:31.42 | grey_gandalf | with gentoo it is so easy to boot, mount the target fs, sandbox and fit |
| 19:31.55 | grey_gandalf | I love debian, but it seems that rescue is so hard |
| 19:32.19 | *** join/#debianppc coolder (~elvis@190.206.152.112) |
| 19:32.38 | coolder | hi guys |
| 19:36.38 | grey_gandalf | hi |
| 19:36.53 | grey_gandalf | I am trying to rescue my system which fails to boot |
| 19:37.06 | coolder | O.o? |
| 19:37.07 | grey_gandalf | I can load the rescue the CD, but I cannot mount my root, I don't know why |
| 19:37.25 | grey_gandalf | after an upgrade, the root is nto found at boot anymore |
| 19:37.55 | grey_gandalf | the rescue from the cd sees all my HD partitions but I can't mount hda4... and I don't know how to see the syslog to check the details |
| 19:37.58 | grey_gandalf | I have no other ideas |
| 20:12.24 | grey_gandalf | it just says "invalid argument". oh, hell |
| 20:14.25 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: What did you type? |
| 20:35.55 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: And was "ext3" kernel module loaded when you typed it? |
| 21:03.18 | grey_gandalf | i went to the small ash shell |
| 21:03.26 | grey_gandalf | lsmod says ext3 module is loaded |
| 21:04.10 | grey_gandalf | but I think that if all goes well the menu-driven rescue should work alredy? |
| 21:06.20 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Menu should guide user to installed system through "chroot" |
| 21:07.13 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: "menu" as in "rescue" mode "installer dialogs" |
| 21:09.19 | grey_gandalf | yes, at yaboot I type "rescue" |
| 21:09.27 | grey_gandalf | and I get a menu similar to install |
| 21:10.00 | grey_gandalf | which has a voice "enter rescue mode" |
| 21:10.07 | grey_gandalf | the first step is to select the root! |
| 21:10.21 | grey_gandalf | is there perhaps another rescue cd? I'm using a netinst cd |
| 21:12.31 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Installer should be mostly similar, just differs slightly on order of performing things and repository to fetch installer packages from |
| 21:14.40 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: I have most recently used installer from DVD image, and before that installer booted from IPv4 TFTP... |
| 22:02.59 | coolder | omg saturdays are sooo bored :/ |
| 22:06.32 | *** join/#debianppc wcstok (Me@71-35-180-35.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 22:18.43 | grey_gandalf | coolder: if you have ideas o how to resuscitate my iBook i'd be happy :) |
| 22:18.55 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: ok, so the netinst CD should be enough |
| 22:19.06 | grey_gandalf | I'm at loss then |
| 22:19.40 | grey_gandalf | perhaps I should rewrite the aprition table? without changing it, youst enter the partitioner and save it again, what do you think? |
| 22:20.50 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: What did you try to type to mount? Or did same error happen when going through "rescue" dialogs? |
| 22:23.19 | grey_gandalf | well the rescue dialog lists my partitions |
| 22:23.21 | grey_gandalf | ok, got it! |
| 22:23.31 | grey_gandalf | monuted! |
| 22:23.52 | grey_gandalf | now should I execute the shell inside /dev/hda3 or in the installer environment? I think the former |
| 22:24.23 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: ok, I'm in, I have a shell on my root |
| 22:24.45 | grey_gandalf | what should I try to fix my box? I suspect something is wrong with the root passed at the bootloader |
| 22:24.56 | grey_gandalf | or, worse, the kernel not finding the modules |
| 22:25.16 | grey_gandalf | since it doesn't detect my hd or so |
| 22:25.51 | grey_gandalf | let's start with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, one never knows :) |
| 22:29.01 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Default IDE bus driver was changed at some point between Linux 2.6.32 and Linux 3.0.0, that may have caused problem because device name changed, in case those names are referred to for "root" |
| 22:29.27 | grey_gandalf | hmm |
| 22:29.43 | grey_gandalf | I see that at boot it tries to find the root with the UID |
| 22:30.50 | grey_gandalf | is the upgrade not automatic? do I need to "fix" fstab or so manually? |
| 22:31.39 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Make sure that "/etc/yaboot.conf" is consistent with contents of "/boot/" |
| 22:35.16 | grey_gandalf | pahartik: well yaboot looks fine, how do I verify ROOT ? |
| 22:35.23 | grey_gandalf | the log UID thing |
| 22:35.33 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Except for installer, "/etc/yaboot.conf" is not automatically generated... "label" for each kernel image should be generated manually |
| 22:35.49 | grey_gandalf | well, it just says "vmlinux" |
| 22:36.06 | grey_gandalf | and in /boot there are symlinks to the only kernel I have |
| 22:36.25 | grey_gandalf | I wonder if UUID is correct |
| 22:37.13 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Install older kernel as well, if "/boot/" filesystem has enough space for such... |
| 22:37.36 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: "blkid" shows UUID |
| 22:38.57 | grey_gandalf | it is correct |
| 22:39.01 | grey_gandalf | I have no idea then |
| 22:39.16 | grey_gandalf | aptitude doesn't work under the rescue shell |
| 22:40.43 | grey_gandalf | hmmI rerun yabootconfig |
| 22:40.47 | grey_gandalf | let's try to reboot |
| 22:41.29 | grey_gandalf | no luck, the kernel doesn't find my root |
| 22:41.36 | grey_gandalf | it doesn't find my hard disk |
| 22:42.00 | grey_gandalf | no I need to regerate something? like the init ramdisk? how do I do that? |
| 22:42.04 | grey_gandalf | I think there is a package to reconfigure |
| 22:42.06 | grey_gandalf | IIRC |
| 22:42.18 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: If you have not generated "label" for kernel, you could try to boot "Linux root=/dev/sda3" from "yaboot" prompt... |
| 22:42.36 | grey_gandalf | the label is there and looks correct |
| 22:42.39 | grey_gandalf | in fact, the kernel loads |
| 22:43.46 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: One can override parameters of configuration file labels by typing parameters on prompt |
| 22:43.56 | grey_gandalf | le'ts try |
| 22:44.05 | grey_gandalf | I don't like all this UUID thing :) |
| 22:44.23 | grey_gandalf | Linux root=/dev/hda3 |
| 22:45.20 | grey_gandalf | alert, root /dev/hda3 |
| 22:45.28 | grey_gandalf | does not exist |
| 22:46.53 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: There probably is no "/dev/hda", since new driver subsystem provides "/dev/sda"... Unless some driver is completely missing from "initrd" |
| 22:47.29 | grey_gandalf | I have neither |
| 22:47.37 | grey_gandalf | I mean, in the ram shel, ls /dev |
| 22:47.43 | grey_gandalf | shows neither hda nor sda |
| 22:47.52 | grey_gandalf | and in any case UUID should work better |
| 22:48.02 | grey_gandalf | thus it is a dirver thing |
| 22:48.09 | grey_gandalf | can i reinstall / regenerate initrd? |
| 22:48.48 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: With "update-initramfs" |
| 22:49.06 | grey_gandalf | ok, reboot |
| 22:49.10 | grey_gandalf | eescue, and try |
| 22:50.30 | grey_gandalf | darn! |
| 22:50.40 | grey_gandalf | at boot I don't get asked "l" or "c" anymore |
| 22:50.43 | grey_gandalf | what happened??? |
| 22:51.15 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: And also install older kernel image, if it used to work... Easier to figure out things from running system... |
| 22:52.11 | grey_gandalf | it should be still available with testing |
| 22:52.15 | grey_gandalf | now apt-cache segfaults like apttiude |
| 22:52.22 | grey_gandalf | getting the correct name will be tough |
| 22:57.31 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Always keep at least two kernel images installed, so that if "Linux-3.0.0" fails, one can type "Linux-2.6.32" at boot loader prompt |
| 22:59.18 | grey_gandalf | perhaps it was removed automatically |
| 22:59.21 | grey_gandalf | but yes, i should have |
| 22:59.25 | grey_gandalf | I never had problems on x86 |
| 22:59.35 | grey_gandalf | I'm quite noew on running debian on this iBook |
| 23:02.30 | grey_gandalf | wow, initramfs spits a "egrep" error |
| 23:03.49 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: "Apple iBook G4" with "Debian GNU/Linux" was my main workstation for 6 years... Would still use it if it worked |
| 23:04.03 | grey_gandalf | and now? |
| 23:04.35 | grey_gandalf | I have a first-gen clamshell... tangerine... I have no use for clssic anymore and os-x is too heavy |
| 23:04.39 | *** join/#debianppc rkvirani (~rkvirani@174.1.117.105) |
| 23:05.38 | grey_gandalf | apt-get install just segfaults! shit! |
| 23:07.01 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Now I have "Sun Ultra10" and "Apple iMac G4" on desk, looking for MIPS64 or ARM for laptop workstation |
| 23:07.07 | grey_gandalf | update-initramfs did not help |
| 23:07.09 | grey_gandalf | SHIT |
| 23:07.16 | grey_gandalf | it's a bad kernel / bad driver |
| 23:07.46 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Damn that problem situation |
| 23:08.15 | grey_gandalf | if I drop initramfs shell becuse no root is ofund |
| 23:08.18 | grey_gandalf | there are no disk devices |
| 23:09.21 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: What if you fetch kernel package with "wget" and install with "dpkg"? |
| 23:10.11 | grey_gandalf | well, on the netinst cd there is a kernel pckage perhaps? |
| 23:10.15 | grey_gandalf | probbaly not |
| 23:10.23 | grey_gandalf | well, I need the exact path for wget |
| 23:13.56 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: URL to fetch kernel image from: "http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-5-powerpc_2.6.32-35squeeze1_powerpc.deb" |
| 23:19.21 | grey_gandalf | well, I nave ncftp client... lucky |
| 23:19.29 | grey_gandalf | I found an image... with a very similar name |
| 23:19.37 | grey_gandalf | do I needf the modules too or is the image enough? |
| 23:20.42 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: That package contains all necessary modules |
| 23:21.01 | grey_gandalf | dpkg --install |
| 23:21.07 | grey_gandalf | fails (:( |
| 23:21.18 | grey_gandalf | "strxfrm() gets absurd" |
| 23:21.23 | grey_gandalf | never seen that in my whole linux life |
| 23:21.31 | grey_gandalf | and ?im using debian since 1998 or so |
| 23:22.57 | grey_gandalf | unlucky day... I'm seeing short here |
| 23:24.00 | grey_gandalf | oho, I even had the old image in the apt-cache :) |
| 23:24.47 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: "Debian GNU/Linux" installer also knows how to install package to "chroot", without using tools of "chroot"... |
| 23:25.31 | grey_gandalf | what do you mean? |
| 23:25.40 | grey_gandalf | do you think chroot is messing it up? |
| 23:25.59 | grey_gandalf | should I use the menu somehow? |
| 23:26.02 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: That I have used to get some problem sorted out, "libc" of installed system was broken or something similar |
| 23:27.20 | grey_gandalf | what is the debian gnu/linux installer? |
| 23:30.08 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: If I remember correctly, there is embedded "dpkg" in installer... But then again, kernel image needs more than just that |
| 23:31.28 | grey_gandalf | I see only apt-install |
| 23:31.39 | grey_gandalf | which takes no commands and says nothing when run |
| 23:32.33 | grey_gandalf | I do not wish to reinstall, it takes time to setup a machine and I have also some data on it... I develop on it a bit |
| 23:32.41 | grey_gandalf | GNustep developer |
| 23:33.50 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: I do not know what to try next, unless you bring device here... |
| 23:35.31 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Oh yes, do you have other PowerPC workstations? |
| 23:37.29 | grey_gandalf | no, not with linux |
| 23:37.46 | grey_gandalf | i want to set up one sooner or later, I have an old MkLinux box which I will "convert" |
| 23:38.02 | grey_gandalf | but what do you think? taking an HD out of an iBook is next to impossible |
| 23:38.30 | grey_gandalf | are you the only inhabitant of this channel? |
| 23:38.33 | grey_gandalf | I need sleep |
| 23:41.16 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Damn, old "Apple iBook G3" does not have "Firewire", so "target-disk-mode" is not possible either |
| 23:47.04 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Oh, I could make "vmlinux-2.6.32-5-powerpc" and "initrd.img-2.6.32-5-powerpc" from my system available through HTTP... You could try to boot with those... |
| 23:47.44 | grey_gandalf | and how do I install them? |
| 23:47.48 | grey_gandalf | if dpkg fails... |
| 23:48.22 | grey_gandalf | ah yo umean booting them and them from cd and setting the target root |
| 23:48.28 | grey_gandalf | may be worth trying |
| 23:48.32 | grey_gandalf | catch you another time |
| 23:48.32 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: Just copy them over with "cp -a"... |
| 23:48.33 | grey_gandalf | zzzz |
| 23:48.35 | grey_gandalf | and thanks |
| 23:48.38 | grey_gandalf | ah, right! |
| 23:48.41 | grey_gandalf | network works |
| 23:49.15 | pahartik | grey_gandalf: But you can sleep first |
| 23:49.17 | grey_gandalf | prepare them if you have time |
| 23:49.23 | grey_gandalf | good night ... 2 am :) |