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| 21:25.11 | bittin | Somone wants a Diaspora invite? |
| 21:25.41 | dougmencken | bittin: stop spam, read books :) |
| 21:27.37 | bittin | :p |
| 21:36.06 | dougmencken | bittin: which script is that? |
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| 21:36.31 | dougmencken | (don't say you did spammed by looking up visited channels by hand) |
| 22:21.08 | simonrvn | bittin: was going to install that, but it seems too heavy for what it does to my taste. all these various deps on other things, runs on ruby, which is *still* slow on ppc (never mind x86) |
| 22:22.11 | dougmencken | simonrvn: isn't x86, x_86, x-86, X-86, x_86, X_86 and X86 offtopic here? ;) %%just kidding%% |
| 22:22.12 | simonrvn | i'd rather have something on python, at least it won't run like a slug. |
| 22:22.41 | simonrvn | dougmencken: ;). i mention it because most servers around nowadays are x86 based |
| 22:23.16 | dougmencken | simonrvn: damn, even on servers! time to take a battle! |
| 22:23.21 | simonrvn | there's still some sparc boxen around, but they're getting long in the tooth, as well as the big iron mips* |
| 22:24.16 | simonrvn | my rockboxed music player has as much MHz as my PPC box... |
| 22:24.48 | simonrvn | :( |
| 22:24.55 | dougmencken | simonrvn: MHz doesn't matter, we all got that |
| 22:25.07 | simonrvn | all these good arches, and they get ignored except for embedded |
| 22:25.25 | dougmencken | simonrvn: I have something to show you |
| 22:25.31 | simonrvn | i know, it was purely for a number comparision |
| 22:26.54 | dougmencken | simonrvn: I want to show you some 2011 desktop powerpc machine |
| 22:27.04 | simonrvn | ooh |
| 22:27.55 | dougmencken | http://www.a-eon.com/ |
| 22:28.55 | simonrvn | ah amigaone, heh =) |
| 22:29.17 | dougmencken | simonrvn: and processor from apple's bought company |
| 22:29.37 | dougmencken | http://www.osnews.com/story/24151/A-EON_Reveals_AmigaOne_X1000_Processor_Through_Cake/ |
| 22:30.31 | dougmencken | simonrvn: and don't forget: desktop powerpcs will die only if there'll be none of them; if some ppc desktop is turned on say once a year, then ppc desktop is alive |
| 22:33.01 | simonrvn | my little beige g3 is on all the time ;) |
| 22:33.55 | dougmencken | simonrvn: mine are 603 performa, 750 b&w g3, 7440 g4 da, 7447 g4 800, 970 dual 1.8 |
| 22:34.40 | simonrvn | i'll be upgrading the ram for the beige soon, and the imac... they need it |
| 22:34.47 | simonrvn | nice setup there dougmencken |
| 22:35.38 | dougmencken | simonrvn: I'll buy that A-EON machine too; I tried to get Terrasoft Powerstation, but they said "we're out of machines" and that they are now in Japan |
| 22:36.05 | simonrvn | those terrasoft boxen are nice too |
| 22:36.58 | dougmencken | simonrvn: they produced ~2000 of them only, and then were sold to some japanesse company |
| 22:39.10 | simonrvn | reading the wikipedia entry for the pa6t... max 7W at 2 GHz (!) |
| 22:39.52 | dougmencken | simonrvn: time to throw a cake into steve job's face, I suppose |
| 22:40.04 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:40.25 | dougmencken | he claimed that the primary reason to switch to x86 was power consumption |
| 22:41.02 | dougmencken | despite the IA64 (not fully compat. with x86) was waaaay less power cons. than other alternatives |
| 22:41.07 | simonrvn | even the g5s were less power hungry, and they didn't do enough to remedy the issues |
| 22:41.16 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:42.13 | dougmencken | simonrvn: after a half of year, IBM revealed 970ev, very suitable for laptops |
| 22:42.33 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 22:43.05 | dougmencken | all I heard, the primary reason to switch to x86 was an ability to natively run windows, as many and many mac users wanted |
| 22:43.45 | dougmencken | now there's no reason to port games to mac and pro soft to mac os x, coz api emulation software is avail |
| 22:43.59 | simonrvn | which is a dumb reason to switch. the proc horsepower was more than good enough to do the endian switching. blame windows for being a pos ;). |
| 22:44.40 | dougmencken | simonrvn: heh, now x86 doing a lot of byte-swapping inside, wasting cycles |
| 22:45.13 | dougmencken | it is cisc outside, but BE RISC inside |
| 22:45.17 | dougmencken | but that doesn't matter, coz they want to remain 100% compatible with 20286 code |
| 22:45.32 | dougmencken | liked IA64 |
| 22:45.35 | simonrvn | LEGACY CRAP |
| 22:45.50 | dougmencken | exactly |
| 22:45.55 | simonrvn | imo |
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| 22:46.40 | dougmencken | simonrvn: heard about the distro I'm trying to build? |
| 22:47.05 | dougmencken | I like Debian, but I cannot be sure it won't follow suse and fedora way |
| 22:48.13 | simonrvn | drop the less common arches? there's been hints, but so far no. |
| 22:48.41 | simonrvn | i think they won't for the very reason that others have. |
| 22:49.11 | dougmencken | anyway: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/manulix/ ; the main power is inside build system, i.e. scripts |
| 22:49.41 | simonrvn | cool. good luck with that :). |
| 22:50.07 | dougmencken | the most new thing is "vcheck commands" to check for new versions directly with vanilla tarball provides |
| 22:50.21 | dougmencken | viders* |
| 22:50.57 | simonrvn | a la uupdate / watch for debian packaging |
| 22:50.59 | simonrvn | ? |
| 22:51.08 | dougmencken | simonrvn: thanks! I hope with that thing I can survive for at least 1000 years with my ppc boxes |
| 22:51.17 | simonrvn | :D |
| 22:51.24 | dougmencken | simonrvn: better to lynx -dump real web site |
| 22:52.51 | simonrvn | k |
| 22:53.00 | simonrvn | wow, that xcore is impressive |
| 22:53.21 | dougmencken | a-one's? yeah, and 16 pci-e slots too :) |
| 22:53.45 | simonrvn | yeh. i was looking at those specs and going wtf ! hehe |
| 22:55.08 | dougmencken | before that (and after stopping of powerstation production) there was some african notebook, trying to find it now |
| 22:55.42 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 22:57.17 | dougmencken | got a link: http://liliputing.com/2010/05/linkbook-9-inch-netbook-with-a-powerpc-processor.html |
| 22:59.15 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 23:00.18 | dougmencken | simonrvn: yeah, and you said embedded only :) |
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| 23:03.51 | dougmencken | I don't really the reason for alternative archs to rise up (but the thing job's switch was: native windooze availablility) |
| 23:04.06 | dougmencken | see* |
| 23:04.46 | simonrvn | mm |
| 23:06.15 | dougmencken | I want to say that there's nothing that can prevent some architecture to be released as desktop computer, except that proprietary os thing |
| 23:06.47 | dougmencken | with all that proprietary flash and such bad things :) |
| 23:07.33 | simonrvn | yes, but those don't matter much ;p |
| 23:07.37 | dougmencken | every my frient which does use linux, use windows® applications in wine |
| 23:07.46 | dougmencken | friend* |
| 23:07.54 | simonrvn | i'm half-joking there |
| 23:08.11 | simonrvn | sometimes you don't have a choice :( |
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| 23:09.06 | dougmencken | you hever had a choice when 99% archives on web are in RAR, and 99% mulitimedia on web is in Flash |
| 23:09.56 | dougmencken | my first computer was 601 powermac 6100 with system 7.5 |
| 23:10.14 | simonrvn | flash suck hard.. i wish people stuck to animated gifs for things like ads. i guess people want to make some money back from paying adobe way too much money. |
| 23:10.24 | dougmencken | it was my choice, and now I'll never revert my choice |
| 23:10.26 | simonrvn | mine was a c64 ;) |
| 23:10.57 | dougmencken | simonrvn: flash is not about ads, it's mostly video and such |
| 23:11.09 | dougmencken | simonrvn: so you'll love that a-one |
| 23:11.37 | dougmencken | ;) |
| 23:11.40 | simonrvn | that's why i have a soft spot for it |
| 23:14.39 | dougmencken | nice to meet you, and good nite |
| 23:14.57 | dougmencken | see you later |
| 23:15.13 | simonrvn | g'night dude |
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| 23:31.34 | simonrvn | wow, what's with the splits? |