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| 18:35.54 | sithlord48 | hello ?? |
| 18:43.24 | pahartik | Hello sithlord48 |
| 19:00.57 | sithlord48 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.57 | sithlord48 | can you help me ? |
| 19:01.52 | pahartik | sithlord48: Uncertainty remains |
| 19:02.25 | sithlord48 | i need to do one of two things. get some one to compile some code for me, or get yast to work on my b&w g3 |
| 19:08.38 | pahartik | sithlord48: "yast" is some package manager... |
| 19:09.00 | sithlord48 | err my bad yaboot |
| 19:12.34 | sithlord48 | the boot loader i can't install on ne debian linux on my ppc... blue and white g3... |
| 19:24.13 | pahartik | sithlord48: What is problem with "yaboot"? |
| 19:26.14 | sithlord48 | it does not boot ne way i have tried.. |
| 19:26.36 | sithlord48 | cd usb, even set up network boot.. |
| 19:26.53 | sithlord48 | is there a problem w/ open firmware 3.1.1? |
| 19:36.20 | pahartik | sithlord48: Does it boot Debian GNU/Linux installer? |
| 19:36.30 | sithlord48 | not at all... |
| 19:37.10 | sithlord48 | holds off on booting mac os.. if its installed as it tries if mac os is not installed it just sits there |
| 19:38.59 | pahartik | sithlord48: Does MacOS read that DVD or CD media? |
| 19:39.06 | sithlord48 | it sure does |
| 19:39.29 | sithlord48 | i am downloading a new xubuntu ppc iso and gonna set it all back up when its done.. |
| 19:39.49 | sithlord48 | i have tried quite a few debian and deb based iso's too |
| 19:45.10 | pahartik | sithlord48: They all use "yaboot" on NewWorld PowerMacintosh... "grub-ieee1275 also works but is still under development |
| 19:45.33 | sithlord48 | yea thats the common thread thats why i think yaboot is the problem |
| 19:51.43 | pahartik | sithlord48: You could create NewWorld boot partition and copy "grubof.modules" to it... |
| 19:51.56 | sithlord48 | link? |
| 19:57.17 | pahartik | sithlord48: I have no reference document, but I can share my copy of "grubof.modules"... When it is on NewWorld boot partition, one can "boot hd:2,grubof.modules" from OpenFirmware console |
| 19:57.50 | sithlord48 | and what do i have to do to make the os run from there? |
| 19:58.16 | sithlord48 | well i guess i could just make a grub entry at taht point right? |
| 20:02.11 | pahartik | sithlord48: If that works, one can try to boot kernel... At moment "/proc/cmdline" looks like "BOOT_IMAGE=(hd,3)/vmlinux-2.6.32 root=/dev/mapper/kiara_block_storage-root ro resume=/dev/mapper/kiara_block_storage-swap noresume" |
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| 20:08.50 | gomaaz_ | hi there guys |
| 20:09.12 | gomaaz_ | just successful installed debian but my G5 ppc won't boot. |
| 20:09.24 | gomaaz_ | system folder ICON apperas....any suggests about that? :/ |
| 20:22.09 | pahartik | sithlord48: It would be good idea to have larger than default NewWorld boot partition for "grub-ieee1275" |
| 20:23.24 | sithlord48 | oh well im just not gonna deal with it now i have to get it all set up first |
| 20:26.47 | sithlord48 | pahartik, can you tell me the output of uname -m on your machine |
| 20:27.38 | pahartik | sithlord48: This workstation is "ppc" |
| 20:28.56 | sithlord48 | ok and you have what chip if you don't mind |
| 20:29.24 | sithlord48 | is that the output or is it just "ppc" |
| 20:31.14 | pahartik | sithlord48: That is output, "iBook G4 (late 2004)" is model... "PowerPC 7447A" CPU... |
| 20:31.53 | sithlord48 | ok so detection by uname -m would not work on your machine .... and that debian ? |
| 20:35.49 | pahartik | sithlord48: Debian, yes... But I assume that is what system call normally returns on Linux... |
| 20:36.44 | sithlord48 | it should but im running kubuntu and its out put is x86_64 or i386 etc based on hw arch.. (got a few more too) |
| 20:40.58 | pahartik | sithlord48: On my Alpha workstation (also running Debian GNU/Linux), "uname -m" returns "alpha" |
| 20:41.24 | sithlord48 | alpha can you compile there ? |
| 20:42.09 | sithlord48 | if your willing to compile (its small code) i will include alpha in the support |
| 20:45.05 | pahartik | sithlord48: I can compile on Alpha |
| 20:45.46 | sithlord48 | will you please compile this for me http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/src.zip |
| 20:48.13 | sithlord48 | its a tool for ff7 files... |
| 20:48.36 | sithlord48 | im trying to aid in ease od deployment |
| 20:52.48 | sithlord48 | pahartik, ? |
| 20:56.41 | pahartik | sithlord48: Yes, I am working on it |
| 20:56.52 | sithlord48 | pahartik, cool thanks :) |
| 21:14.53 | pahartik | sithlord48: Two binaries were built... |
| 21:15.14 | sithlord48 | pahartik, yes lgp and unlgp |
| 21:17.10 | pahartik | sithlord48: It is some kind of custom archiver |
| 21:17.38 | sithlord48 | pahartik, yes the archive typed used by ff7's pc version |
| 21:18.06 | pahartik | sithlord48: Something very simple, similar to "ar" or "cpio"...? |
| 21:19.17 | sithlord48 | basicly |
| 21:19.46 | sithlord48 | simple format.. just to wrap up there models. |
| 21:28.20 | pahartik | sithlord48: What happens next? |
| 21:29.11 | sithlord48 | well you feed the can unlgp the archive (of .lgp type and it will extract it..) and then you can also then make an lgp file from a directory w/ lgp |
| 21:29.34 | sithlord48 | the models can be played with and then repacked and we get a better looking game |
| 21:31.22 | sithlord48 | you can email me the files... and if you want try the install to varify it detects and installs on alpha correctly |
| 21:36.14 | sithlord48 | pahartik, when ever your ready i can provide you with my email ... . |
| 21:47.14 | pahartik | sithlord48: It seems "lgp" fails to work... |
| 21:47.46 | sithlord48 | really, what error does it give? |
| 21:50.21 | pahartik | sithlord48: Nothing... "strace ./lgp", 'execve("./lgp", ["./lgp"], [/* 17 vars */] <unfinished ...>' "+++ killed by SIGKILL +++" |
| 21:50.40 | sithlord48 | what were you trying to archive ? |
| 21:52.10 | pahartik | sithlord48: Nothing, I assume it would just tell what it is for, or what it expects... |
| 21:53.59 | sithlord48 | it shoud out put lgp <directory> <archive> |
| 21:56.51 | pahartik | sithlord48: So it fails before that... |
| 21:57.15 | sithlord48 | i guess it don't work on alpha ... was written prolly on 86 chip |
| 21:57.32 | sithlord48 | can you try on the ppc machine ? |
| 22:01.11 | pahartik | sithlord48: On PowerPC it worked... |
| 22:01.26 | sithlord48 | ok then can you send me the ppc binarys.. |
| 22:01.45 | sithlord48 | and uname -m does not out put "ppc" on that machine ... |
| 22:02.47 | pahartik | sithlord48: Archiving and extracting seems to have worked... |
| 22:02.54 | sithlord48 | sweet!@ |
| 22:08.11 | sithlord48 | pahartik, can you send me those ppc files ? |
| 22:10.59 | sithlord48 | you can upload it here http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/upload.php |
| 22:11.00 | pahartik | sithlord48: Sure... I tried to extract archive from PowerPC on Alpha, it also failed... "Successfully extracted 0 file(s) out of 0 file(s) total." |
| 22:11.22 | sithlord48 | yea i don't think alpha will be used but it would have been nice... |
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| 22:12.39 | hal9k2010 | hello need some help in how to choose the best image for imac G3 350 |
| 22:13.06 | sithlord48 | let me know when you have uploaded it pahartik |
| 22:13.44 | sithlord48 | .zip is perfered... |
| 22:15.47 | sithlord48 | hal9k2010, my friend used the debian net install for ppc to do hid |
| 22:22.52 | hal9k2010 | cool thanks i am downloading "netinstall" now |
| 22:24.26 | hal9k2010 | sithlord48 you have worked on install with mac this old ? |
| 22:24.52 | sithlord48 | i did, but he did most of the work after the base install was done... |
| 22:25.14 | sithlord48 | i have only used it brealy since he set it up |
| 22:25.53 | hal9k2010 | i see... so does the machine work ok? i really dont know what to spect |
| 22:26.13 | pahartik | sithlord48: Upload does not seem to work with Lynx, I put file temporarily to "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/src.tar.bz2" |
| 22:27.27 | sithlord48 | ok i have it .. |
| 22:28.57 | hal9k2010 | sithlord48 in your opinion, installing debian ppc in this imac, will the machine be kinda usable for light web? |
| 22:29.17 | pahartik | sithlord48: Oh, it would probably be good to also verify that generated archive is what it should be... |
| 22:29.19 | sithlord48 | depends on how much ram you have... |
| 22:29.31 | hal9k2010 | 512 mges |
| 22:29.37 | sithlord48 | then yea your goodll |
| 22:29.40 | hal9k2010 | 512 megs |
| 22:29.59 | sithlord48 | pahartik here test this out.. http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/test.zip |
| 22:30.25 | hal9k2010 | what desktop shoud i use? xfce, gnome, kde, enlightment ????? |
| 22:30.44 | sithlord48 | pahartik , link works now |
| 22:31.07 | sithlord48 | xfce would prolly be the best for you to use.. xubuntu is nice for that .. |
| 22:31.22 | sithlord48 | but you can use w/ that much ram what ever one you choose... |
| 22:31.59 | hal9k2010 | well i try ubuntu but didnt work... color on screen got funky |
| 22:32.16 | sithlord48 | hal what video card do you have in ther e? |
| 22:32.22 | hal9k2010 | sorry ubuntu and xubunto the 2 didnt work |
| 22:32.45 | hal9k2010 | i dont know is the 350 mhz slot load imac |
| 22:33.16 | hal9k2010 | imac G3 slot load 350 mhz 512 megs of ram |
| 22:33.24 | sithlord48 | oh idk i can't get mine to boot the cd's cause it don't liek me |
| 22:33.54 | hal9k2010 | is running tiger |
| 22:34.38 | pahartik | sithlord48: I generated this with "lgp" on PowerPC: "http://pahartik.iki.fi/~pahartik/src.lgp" |
| 22:35.06 | sithlord48 | thats the ppc version ? |
| 22:35.36 | hal9k2010 | brb |
| 22:35.44 | sithlord48 | Number of files in archive: 117440512 |
| 22:35.44 | sithlord48 | Segmentation fault |
| 22:36.07 | sithlord48 | oh wait its still downloading.. lol |
| 22:36.22 | pahartik | sithlord48: It is archive of that archiver source folder, generated on PowerPC |
| 22:36.46 | sithlord48 | can you open it ? |
| 22:37.46 | sithlord48 | did you make that with the one my installer installed ? |
| 22:37.48 | pahartik | sithlord48: It worked fine, at least files had same SHA512 checksum before and after... |
| 22:38.42 | pahartik | sithlord48: I mean that archive I created locally, did not yet get to try one you referred to |
| 22:39.42 | sithlord48 | http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/test.zip |
| 22:40.12 | sithlord48 | your files that my installer should install (by default to /usr/bin) but you an change the path at runtime |
| 22:44.55 | pahartik | sithlord48: Did it work with my test archive though? |
| 22:45.43 | sithlord48 | yea but i can't ope it .. can you open this one... |
| 22:46.18 | sithlord48 | http://dopplereffect.shacknet.nu/sub.lgp |
| 22:46.41 | sithlord48 | open it and then make a new one (from the installed version) and then send that over... |
| 22:56.28 | pahartik | sithlord48: Extracting your archive did not work as expected: "Number of files in archive: 167772160" "Offset error huda.tex" [...] "Segmentation fault" |
| 22:58.14 | pahartik | sithlord48: That archiver makes bad assumptions about host being little endian and having 32-bit words... |
| 23:08.25 | sithlord48 | ok so its a limitiation of the archive it self.. can't break that... |
| 23:08.42 | sithlord48 | so a ppc version is also out... just 32 and 64bit seam to work .. |
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| 23:12.02 | pahartik | sithlord48: However, "unlgp" on Alpha extracted that test archive... 10 files, each 66284 bytes in size... |
| 23:16.22 | sithlord48 | both the 86 and 64 bit seam to work correctly... |
| 23:16.31 | pahartik | sithlord48: It is not limitation in archive, just archiver that was not written with portability in mind |
| 23:16.43 | sithlord48 | yea i can see that... |
| 23:17.36 | sithlord48 | so the ppc can't extract but the alpha can, and the alpha can't make a lgp , and ppc can only make a lgp that another ppc would open (if at all) |
| 23:18.38 | simonrvn | 'seem', fyi, 'seam' is the stitching on say pants |
| 23:18.42 | pahartik | sithlord48: That is how things seem to be currently |
| 23:22.35 | sithlord48 | ok then i guess i will have to get my ppc working and do some further dev on the ppc side... |
| 23:22.52 | sithlord48 | force in the 32bit word size and what not if possible.. |
| 23:25.05 | pahartik | sithlord48: That sounds good |