01:15.35 | *** join/#debianppc karim (n=karim@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
01:34.49 | *** join/#debianppc simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) |
01:35.37 | *** join/#debianppc xbaez (n=xbaez@201.153.115.155) |
01:47.38 | *** join/#debianppc onid (i=ure@unaffiliated/onid) |
01:50.54 | onid | hello! in using yaboot one edits yaboot.conf and then runs ybin in order to write the bytes on the booting partition like lilo does on pc's? |
02:04.10 | simonrvn | yes |
02:04.39 | onid | thanks simonrvn! :D |
02:06.43 | onid | is there a -t option as well to test but not install? |
02:06.46 | onid | hehehe |
02:36.00 | *** join/#debianppc sk1p (i=alex@p548D4798.dip.t-dialin.net) |
02:55.01 | *** join/#debianppc deadcat (n=deadcat@71.137.160.246) |
02:56.02 | *** part/#debianppc deadcat (n=deadcat@71.137.160.246) |
03:30.12 | *** join/#debianppc deadcat (n=deadcat@71.137.160.246) |
03:30.47 | deadcat | xorg 7.0 is broken in unstable ya? x11-common is failed to installed. now i am without X on the laptop (= am i the only one? |
03:39.24 | *** part/#debianppc desrt (n=desrt@ubuntu/member/desrt) |
04:23.46 | simonrvn | check /usr/X11R6/bin to see if there's anything in there |
05:24.01 | *** join/#debianppc s^3 (n=s^3@tor/session/external/x-bcb573a6178e8484) |
05:33.49 | *** join/#debianppc s^3 (n=s^3@tor/session/external/x-31eb3cd8373a389f) |
05:46.16 | *** join/#debianppc s^3 (n=s^3@tor/session/external/x-e56e4102d70a69a1) |
06:17.10 | *** join/#debianppc Huahua (n=hua_@221.172.51.6) |
06:19.16 | *** join/#debianppc freeflying (n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30) |
06:22.05 | freeflying | hi all, anyone here use kpowersave on ppc |
06:43.27 | *** join/#debianppc _rene__ (n=rene@dslb-084-056-088-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
06:56.47 | deadcat | simonrvn: the package breaks when i install. you dont have that problem? |
06:57.05 | simonrvn | no |
06:57.14 | simonrvn | i removed the stuff that was blocking |
06:57.19 | simonrvn | 2 symlinks |
07:06.27 | deadcat | k |
07:08.00 | deadcat | simonrvn: it was wmapm |
07:08.08 | *** join/#debianppc TBBle (i=identdsu@202.55.154.92) |
07:08.14 | *** join/#debianppc kfm82 (n=kfm82@p54BEDEB8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
07:10.12 | deadcat | simonrvn: why do i have to install so many video- drivers? i just want -ati -input-mouse and -input-kbd |
07:11.20 | simonrvn | you don't. you install what you need |
07:11.49 | deadcat | its trying to install all those for me )= |
07:14.51 | deadcat | simonrvn: thanks. i apt-get install the -video-ati, now it only install 7 instead of all those. |
07:25.07 | *** join/#debianppc johill (n=johannes@p5487E56C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
07:47.41 | Corsac | grûh |
08:05.01 | *** join/#debianppc justinm (n=justin@S0106000a5e04242a.vs.shawcable.net) |
08:05.34 | justinm | hi guys, someone posted a link here with info on which macs are old world and which aren't, and also had tips on booting cds with them etc |
08:05.39 | justinm | anyone remember that? |
08:26.11 | demon | the debian/powerpc install handbook enumerates which systems are nubus/oldworld/newworld; however, you can't boot a Debian CD on an OldWorld (and I've never seen any Linux CD that was bootable on an OldWorld)... |
08:28.51 | *** part/#debianppc rcy (n=rcyeske@d207-6-239-189.bchsia.telus.net) |
08:37.03 | simonrvn | @mac models |
08:37.17 | simonrvn | @mac models |
08:37.29 | simonrvn | @test2 |
08:37.29 | ravenbird | No I'm not online anymore |
08:37.37 | simonrvn | @macmodels |
08:37.38 | ravenbird | http://simonraven.nuit.ca/bin/view/Know/KbTopic8 or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html |
08:37.56 | johill | "No I'm not online any more" ?? |
08:38.19 | simonrvn | *grin* |
08:39.13 | johill | almost like saying on the phone 'btw, I hung up a minute ago' |
08:39.15 | johill | ;) |
08:39.28 | Corsac | :) |
08:39.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
08:40.56 | johill | hey cool, my keyboard backlight thingie works :) |
08:41.03 | johill | now on to ambient light sensors |
08:41.34 | Corsac | johill: you're recoding the complete drivers pack for pb 5,6 ? |
08:41.40 | johill | sort of ;) |
08:42.28 | johill | in this case I'm just moving code from pbbuttonsd into the kernel. well, improving it along the way |
08:43.48 | johill | http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/keyboard-backlight.patch |
08:44.57 | johill | heh. it shows that I wrote sound drivers for a while ;) |
08:45.04 | johill | 'It also detects the right i2s bus to use' |
08:45.09 | johill | should be i2c of course :) |
08:46.17 | Corsac | meh |
08:46.26 | Corsac | keyboard backlight in the kernel |
08:46.34 | Corsac | you rox johill, you know ? |
08:46.34 | Corsac | :) |
08:47.22 | johill | it sort of abuses the 'backlight' layer (which lives in ... video/backlight) heh |
08:47.37 | johill | but it's a backlight right? :D |
08:48.02 | Corsac | johill: and maybe this work could be ported to those guys who got a macbook pro |
08:48.18 | johill | well, I have *no* idea how the hardware there works |
08:48.30 | *** join/#debianppc benzea (n=benzea@p54A3B653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
08:48.31 | johill | they need to figure out a lot of kernel stuff first too |
08:48.44 | Corsac | well, that's the job of guys who have a macbook :) |
08:48.45 | johill | because they currently enable drivers/macintosh always, which isn't quite the right thing to do |
08:49.07 | johill | but once they do, if there's any common code, they can do that. if not, I'd suggest writing a new driver |
08:49.15 | Corsac | yeah, in the kernel macintosh means "ppc" ? |
08:49.21 | johill | not quite |
08:49.23 | johill | I think |
08:49.35 | johill | obj-$(CONFIG_PPC_PMAC) += macintosh/ |
08:49.36 | johill | :) |
08:49.51 | johill | more like 'powermac' specific, see :) |
08:49.55 | simonrvn | crapple has gone through 2 arch changes. m68k, ppc, now intel |
08:50.04 | johill | yeah |
08:50.45 | johill | I just hope the macbook pro people will sooner or later move the drivers to some other place, or adjust the infrastructure |
08:50.55 | johill | their current kernel patches read like bad hacks ;) |
08:51.00 | johill | but that's ok for now |
08:51.33 | Corsac | yeah, that's a really recent hack |
08:59.01 | johill | hmm |
08:59.06 | johill | I have no idea how to surface the ambient sensors in sysfs |
09:00.29 | Corsac | « surface » ? |
09:00.34 | johill | show |
09:02.59 | johill | brb |
09:06.29 | *** join/#debianppc johill (n=johannes@p5487D1CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
09:07.07 | *** join/#debianppc djspike_ (n=djspike@dyn-83-157-132-98.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
09:08.16 | Corsac | johill: with your patch the buttons are hardcoded in the kernel ? |
09:08.33 | johill | what buttons? |
09:08.52 | Corsac | the keys |
09:08.57 | Corsac | for brightness control |
09:09.13 | johill | no no |
09:09.23 | johill | it doesn't react to the buttons, just shows a nice entry in sysfs |
09:09.49 | Corsac | ah ok, so pbbuttonsd (or other client) is still needed ? |
09:11.10 | johill | yes |
09:16.20 | johill | I'm thinking hal |
09:32.52 | johill | whee, ipv6 on my home net :) |
09:36.48 | Corsac | i have to wait for a week :( |
09:40.25 | johill | hm |
09:40.28 | johill | telnet -6 works well |
09:40.30 | johill | but galeon refuses |
09:40.30 | johill | wtf? |
09:40.43 | johill | and my router keeps saying |
09:40.45 | johill | MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke! |
09:44.06 | Corsac | erf. |
09:44.13 | Corsac | johill: did you try other browser ? |
09:44.16 | johill | not yet |
09:44.43 | Corsac | (and maybe you need to adjust the network.dns.disableIPv6 value in about:config) |
09:45.30 | johill | ah |
09:45.40 | johill | the mtu seems to be screwed |
09:46.39 | johill | hmm no |
09:47.21 | Corsac | (speaking of galeon, do you know an hidden settings to have it open pages only in new tab, wherever the order came from ?) |
09:47.28 | Corsac | (command line, middle click or whatever) |
09:48.27 | johill | no, but you can use galeon -n from the command line |
09:48.31 | johill | and middle click is configurable |
09:48.58 | Corsac | yeah, same as epiphany, i'd have to make a wrapper I guess |
09:53.04 | johill | this is very odd. short packets go through but anything over 500 bytes or so doesn't. strange |
09:53.12 | johill | anyway, lunch |
09:56.56 | johill | or maybe the reply isn't fragmented properly |
09:57.13 | johill | will check on the server later |
09:58.53 | pahartik | johill: your MTU is broken? |
10:01.59 | Corsac | pfff, i don't want to wait for a week :( |
10:02.08 | Corsac | too bad one can't 'give' credits |
10:33.51 | *** join/#debianppc reDFog (n=redfog@tor/session/external/x-53f72e8b85a1863c) |
10:38.34 | *** join/#debianppc marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-234-242.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
10:39.34 | *** join/#debianppc rotzbouw (n=gizmo@p54ACCF1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
11:01.43 | johill | pahartik: yes looks like |
11:01.50 | johill | except, I don't see where |
11:02.37 | johill | shouldn't my router just fragment the packets? |
11:03.41 | johill | the packets don't arrive on the server. that doesn't make sense, they go out my ipv6 tunnel (mtu 1280) |
11:03.54 | johill | I'd say someone else's mtu is broken along the way or something strange |
11:05.17 | pahartik | johill: someone else's MTU is probably broken then |
11:07.22 | johill | hah. tracepath6 says: Too many hops: pmtu 1280 |
11:08.21 | johill | omg |
11:08.27 | johill | ping6 -s 191 sipsolutions.net fails already |
11:09.29 | johill | but it's my end :( |
11:09.46 | Corsac | i can ping it |
11:10.09 | johill | yeah, it's my tunnel |
11:10.22 | johill | no, it isn't the tunnel either |
11:10.25 | Corsac | well, ::1 is the siixs part of the tunnel no ? |
11:10.27 | johill | it works fine from the router |
11:10.33 | johill | sipsolutions.net isn't sixxs |
11:10.37 | Corsac | ok |
11:10.49 | johill | it's btexact, had a closer pop |
11:11.00 | johill | looks almost as though it's sixxs screw-up |
11:33.08 | *** join/#debianppc reDFog_ (n=redfog@tor/session/external/x-1d29af3c2c9c15b5) |
11:50.05 | rotzbouw | what is preferred by ppc users: xorg or xfree86? |
11:50.43 | *** join/#debianppc MelkorD (n=MorgothD@eha202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
11:50.53 | johill | I thought xorg was preferred by *everyone* |
11:53.12 | rotzbouw | okay. I've got lots of problems with it though, so I thought switching to xfree'd maybe help. |
11:53.21 | *** join/#debianppc benzea (n=benjamin@p54A3B653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
11:53.41 | rotzbouw | xorg starts up correctly like 33% of tries. |
11:54.08 | *** join/#debianppc assassin (n=percusso@c-24-3-28-8.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
11:55.51 | johill | what machine? |
11:56.18 | rotzbouw | powerbook 5.8 |
11:56.40 | johill | interesting |
11:56.45 | johill | I'd have thought it doesn't work *at all* |
11:56.51 | johill | since there's a bug in the radeon driver stuff |
11:57.07 | rotzbouw | it works sometimes :) |
11:57.19 | rotzbouw | logging out fails 90% of all times though :> |
11:57.25 | johill | hm |
11:57.27 | johill | well |
11:57.32 | johill | the CVS is supposedly fixed |
11:59.14 | rotzbouw | how long does it usually take for new machines to get "fully" supported? |
11:59.28 | johill | yours should be fine mostly |
11:59.36 | johill | the bug also affects my powerbook 5,6 |
11:59.43 | johill | so I'm still running xorg 6.8.2 |
12:00.31 | rotzbouw | Hm, I had to install the sid because otherwise it didn't work at all |
12:00.55 | Corsac | i'm one of the lucky guys (maybe the only one ?) which runs xorg without problems :) |
12:01.16 | Bor_Ed | I have it working ok too, ati mach64 as gfx |
12:01.58 | rotzbouw | I guess the 9700 mobility is more problematic then.. |
12:02.29 | Corsac | 9600 here |
12:12.15 | *** join/#debianppc risc- (n=risc@d5152571A.access.telenet.be) |
12:20.57 | *** join/#debianppc benzea (n=benzea@p54A3B653.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
12:22.31 | Bor_Ed | http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/04/27/mac.recycling.ap/index.html I can recycle say, dual g4 and faster too if someone here decides to upgrade to wintel mac :D |
12:22.43 | johill | heh :) |
12:23.08 | Bor_Ed | emacs will do too |
12:24.22 | risc- | :P |
12:27.15 | Corsac | I have a really old one (maybe even 68k, don't know) resting here |
12:27.22 | Corsac | and a g3 which I use as a test machine |
12:27.43 | risc- | can the bcm43xx in kernel 2.6.17-rc3 do 54mbit? |
12:28.01 | johill | depends on your hardware |
12:28.05 | johill | if it's 4318 then no |
12:28.11 | risc- | AE |
12:28.20 | johill | that tells me nothing at all |
12:28.26 | risc- | airport extreme... :) |
12:28.28 | risc- | 4306 |
12:28.51 | johill | AE = airport extreme was obvious, but the hw number is imoprtant |
12:28.56 | johill | 4306 should work at 54mbit |
12:29.02 | risc- | btw, I always get this error: |
12:29.29 | risc- | when I try iwlist eth2 scan: Warning: Driver for device eth2 has been compiled with version 20 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 19. Some things may be broken... |
12:29.53 | risc- | (I can never get an IP from my eth2 (ae card) :s) |
12:30.22 | risc- | even though it locates wireless networks using iwlist |
12:33.37 | johill | try using network manager ;) |
12:33.57 | risc- | network manager? |
12:48.49 | *** join/#debianppc risc- (n=risc@d5152571A.access.telenet.be) |
13:15.56 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
13:17.35 | *** join/#debianppc jck77 (n=jck@gugve/developer/jck77) |
13:18.52 | jck77 | hi, everybody |
13:19.44 | jck77 | i wondering if someone installed with success a flash player? i know there is no official package |
13:30.33 | Bor_Ed | gplflash in apt... works |
13:31.47 | jck77 | um in testing? |
13:31.54 | *** join/#debianppc risc- (n=risc@d5152571A.access.telenet.be) |
13:32.08 | Bor_Ed | at least in unstable... possibly in stable and testing too |
13:32.24 | jck77 | well i dont see it in my stable |
13:34.02 | Bor_Ed | libflash-mozplugin - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - Mozilla-compatible plugin |
13:34.04 | Bor_Ed | my bad |
13:34.08 | Bor_Ed | libflash-swfplayer - GPL Flash (SWF) Library - stand-alone player |
13:34.13 | jck77 | umm |
13:35.43 | jck77 | same thing :S |
13:36.19 | Bor_Ed | testing/unstable then most probably |
13:36.26 | demon | Bor_Ed: does it actually work usefully? I remember trying it in the past, and it half worked, but most flash animaations just made it implode |
13:36.50 | Bor_Ed | sound has issues but all the penis enlargement etc ads run just fine |
13:38.11 | demon | oh... thrilling |
13:38.11 | jck77 | i on a stable, using backports to install the testings ones! but even that i can get the package |
15:35.09 | *** join/#debianppc risc- (n=risc@d5152571A.access.telenet.be) |
15:36.58 | risc- | hi, anyone here already installed a java sdk on debian/ppc? |
15:37.09 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
15:37.12 | Bor_Ed | several different ones... |
15:37.18 | risc- | and did they work? |
15:37.27 | Bor_Ed | yup |
15:37.41 | Bor_Ed | at least ibm and sun ones have worked and are more or less recent too |
15:37.55 | risc- | I installed IBM's jdk, but things that normally compile under macosx/windows without errors give me errors/warnings on linux |
15:38.15 | risc- | and I cannot run thhem either |
15:38.44 | Bor_Ed | I've only made console apps and those tend to work |
15:39.01 | risc- | 1~java CyberSpaceInvaders |
15:39.02 | risc- | (.:4659): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap" |
15:39.07 | risc- | stuff like that |
15:39.26 | risc- | and it compiles like very fast, not like what I'm used to in osx.. |
15:39.40 | risc- | ** ERROR **: file ../../../src/libjava/jni/gtk-peer/gnu_java_awt_peer_gtk_GtkImage.c: line 572 (createRawData): assertion failed: (data_fid != 0) |
15:39.44 | risc- | aborting... |
15:39.46 | risc- | Aborted |
15:43.45 | risc- | even text apps do not work |
15:48.28 | *** join/#debianppc DJSpike (n=djspike@dyn-83-157-160-238.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
15:52.23 | risc- | Bor_Ed: do you have a link for Sun's jdk? |
15:52.47 | Bor_Ed | java.sun.com |
15:52.59 | risc- | for ppc? |
15:53.05 | Bor_Ed | for ppc |
15:53.17 | Bor_Ed | java_se_powerpc-1_4_2-ea-linux-ppc.tar.gz file |
15:57.43 | rotzbouw | is it possible to downgrade from unstable to etch but leave the newest xorg version alone? |
15:59.07 | pahartik | rotzbouw: yes... though other way around it is easier |
15:59.19 | Corsac | well, downgrading from unstable to etch seems quite tricky to me |
16:02.39 | risc- | Bor_Ed: it must be me but I really cannot find it for ppc, only ia64 and x86 (version 1.4.2_11) |
16:03.06 | Bor_Ed | risc-: a sec, I'll grep the log |
16:03.41 | Bor_Ed | http://java.sun.com/j2se/embedded/survey.html |
16:04.04 | rotzbouw | What's the most stable desktop environment for debian/ppc? |
16:04.10 | Bor_Ed | console |
16:04.28 | Bor_Ed | twm shouldn't be too shaky either |
16:05.04 | rotzbouw | console = no desktop environment? :) |
16:05.27 | Bor_Ed | console can be desktop too, as I have here :) |
16:05.38 | risc- | got it, thanks |
16:05.41 | Bor_Ed | I have irssi, links2 and mplayer running on it :) |
16:06.54 | risc- | Bor_Ed: there is no sdk? (javac,...) |
16:07.18 | Bor_Ed | it has all the yadayada afaik... a sec |
16:07.54 | Bor_Ed | aww, had to do reinstall last week, don't have any java currently installed |
16:08.04 | Bor_Ed | but I recall it has javac too |
16:08.26 | risc- | it extracs to j2re1...-eval |
16:08.39 | risc- | and in the /bin there's only java,... but no javac |
16:08.53 | Bor_Ed | hmm, could've recalled wrong too... |
16:09.15 | Bor_Ed | there are several free java compilers too, gcj coming to mind as first one |
16:10.40 | jck77 | Bor_Ed: i use mp3blaster in console :-D |
16:11.24 | Bor_Ed | mplayer is good for pr0n, eh educational videos too |
16:11.33 | jck77 | lol |
16:14.35 | risc- | lol |
16:19.12 | rotzbouw | Hm, I think I've done a mistake somewhere editing in the "boot" section in Gnome.. I renamed "Linux" to "Debian" and "mac os x" to "MacOS X" and now, when the system boots and I press TAB to get the overview of the OSes available ti still shows the old ones. Where can I fix this? |
16:19.44 | rotzbouw | (I can't rename again.. apparently there are no OSes installed.. at least that's what I'm told in that menu) |
16:19.46 | Bor_Ed | run /sbin/ybin or such |
16:20.46 | rotzbouw | ok, i'll have a look there |
16:22.12 | rotzbouw | nothing there :\ |
16:22.34 | Bor_Ed | which ybin tells you where it is |
16:22.59 | rotzbouw | yup :) thnanks |
16:23.26 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
16:24.52 | rotzbouw | So I have to replace the old values in that file with the values I renamed the old values to? |
16:26.22 | Bor_Ed | no idea, I don't have newworld box |
16:34.25 | rotzbouw | what's the "old" in the "Boot Manager Settings"? |
16:35.17 | Bor_Ed | previous kernel from debian |
16:35.47 | johill | useful if you screw up and your new kernel doesn't boot ;) |
16:36.00 | Bor_Ed | pretty much like that |
16:36.29 | rotzbouw | Hah, that's good, I'll keep it :) |
16:37.01 | rotzbouw | What IRC client do you recommend? I'm tired of leaning towards my wintel keyboard all the time :> |
16:37.11 | Bor_Ed | irssi-text |
16:37.18 | pahartik | rotzbouw: Irssi |
16:37.20 | Bor_Ed | xchat ain't that bad either |
16:37.22 | rotzbouw | (for Gnome, preferably) |
16:37.33 | Bor_Ed | xchat is a gui toy |
16:38.19 | rotzbouw | I hate the MacOS X X-Chat client.. |
16:38.28 | rotzbouw | it sucks even compared to mIRC |
16:38.37 | Bor_Ed | hmm, just get irssi and hack it to look like you |
16:38.55 | pahartik | rotzbouw: for GNOME, Irssi needs terminal emulator |
16:39.19 | rotzbouw | Ah :\ |
16:39.25 | rotzbouw | easy package installation? |
16:40.24 | Bor_Ed | apt-get install irssi-text |
16:40.36 | pahartik | rotzbouw: and preferably "screen" for easy attach, detach and sharing of Irssi across X11 sessions or various workstations |
16:44.27 | rotzbouw | beautiful webpage. wow. |
16:44.55 | rotzbouw | I hope the application is as good as the page |
16:56.15 | pahartik | rotzbouw: I switched from ircII to Irssi some years ago... probably about six years ago... |
16:57.17 | rotzbouw | Oh. I switched from MacOS X to debian/ppc days ago... probably 2 days ago... :D |
16:57.33 | rotzbouw | therefore I still like colours and stuff.. |
16:57.34 | Bor_Ed | I switched from xchat to irssi, wanted something that I can run on server and SZ and BX weren't my league |
16:57.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: I would like to see IRC client that behaves more like IMAP client... |
16:58.53 | Bor_Ed | hmm, now that'd require some work... I've just managed to get instant messenger that behaves like irc... bitlbee :) |
16:59.03 | *** join/#debianppc tcsetattr (i=pacman@dialup40.clss.net) |
17:00.50 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: it would present IRC more as "message database" than "FIFO buffers of text"... |
17:01.24 | Bor_Ed | have phun making yer own interface for that... just some bot with mutt or so :D |
17:01.41 | rotzbouw | Hm, freenode isn't in the default networks list.. how can I add another network in irssi? |
17:02.09 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: someone will write it, probably not me... |
17:03.26 | Bor_Ed | adding networks is explained in the irssi site... as well as millions of other thingies |
17:03.32 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: wimp :P |
17:03.42 | rotzbouw | Hm, I don't see it :( but okay |
17:05.17 | Bor_Ed | rotzbouw: http://www.irssi.org/documentation |
17:06.22 | rotzbouw | oh, adding a network is just adding a name? ./NETWORK ADD freenode seemed to work ^^ |
17:06.37 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: my point is... it is annoying that messages disappear from buffers when user quits IRC client... |
17:07.04 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: quits irc client?? how that can happen? :D |
17:07.57 | Bor_Ed | and logging is invented to prevent blackout etc extreme situation faults |
17:07.59 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: my IRC client was started in 2004, so it will be even more annoying when power failure happens or my server decides to pass out |
17:08.56 | Bor_Ed | I have only 8k buffer on irssi and logging on every discussion |
17:10.05 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: when starting it again, I would like to get exactly same view as it showed when it was running... just like IMAP, I do not want messages or folder structures to disappear unless I order them to... |
17:11.20 | Bor_Ed | sounds like a place for some hacked generic script |
17:13.18 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: new IRC client with new user interface approach is required :) |
17:13.45 | Bor_Ed | and new server backend |
17:14.09 | Bor_Ed | SZ+screen+candyass imapwannabegui? :) |
17:16.10 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: what it "looks like" does not matter... point is that it would treat messages in different way |
17:17.27 | *** join/#debianppc rotzbouw (n=root@p54ACCF1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
17:17.28 | Bor_Ed | I used to have messages blocked... worked ok but now when I have bitlbee running on same interface I had to allow 'em again |
17:17.35 | *** part/#debianppc rotzbouw| (n=gizmo@p54ACCF1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
17:17.55 | rotzbouw | Ha :) |
17:18.25 | Bor_Ed | irssi? |
17:18.43 | rotzbouw | I think I want Screen, though. but I don't mind the ugliness of irssi's default settings |
17:19.09 | rotzbouw | Yup, I'm on irssi |
17:19.29 | Bor_Ed | I have xchat theme on irssi here, otherwise stock... and this is usable |
17:19.47 | rotzbouw | This is just perfect.. well, almost. |
17:20.13 | Bor_Ed | just install screen too to keep it running on the server forever if you prefer to |
17:20.58 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: was it that default Irssi colour scheme is "white on black"? |
17:21.03 | rotzbouw | Yes, I will. Oh and do you use any other messengers? like multiprotocol clients comparable to miranda? |
17:21.21 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: don't recall |
17:21.24 | rotzbouw | pahartik: it's black on white here. |
17:21.46 | Bor_Ed | rotzbouw: install bitlbee, conf it and you can access it from irssi (apt-cache show bitlbee) |
17:22.22 | Bor_Ed | I have googletalk and M$N running through it |
17:24.24 | rotzbouw | thanks Bor_Ed |
17:24.31 | Bor_Ed | no problemo |
17:24.39 | rotzbouw | How big would you guess the Jabber community? |
17:25.01 | Bor_Ed | some times smaller than googletalk which uses the same protocol |
17:26.05 | rotzbouw | what would it take to convince msn users to switch to it? I hate msn. |
17:26.28 | Bor_Ed | lighter EULA |
17:26.31 | rotzbouw | They call it a version 7 and there's no possibility to send offline messages :/ |
17:26.35 | Bor_Ed | oh, and hella smaller lag |
17:27.05 | Bor_Ed | M$N lags several secs even to neighbour country from here |
17:27.24 | rotzbouw | I haven't tried Jabber yet because there is nobody who'd follow me 'cause they are all so comfortable with msn/icq :/ |
17:28.37 | Bor_Ed | I have account in googletalk... that really ain't jabber but still... and got 1gig mailbox too when I made the account :D |
17:30.44 | rotzbouw | ugh, I made a mistake :/ I just deleted the whole top panel in Gnome instead of just one little panel inside of it. How can I redo this? |
17:31.43 | Bor_Ed | no idea |
17:32.41 | rotzbouw | hm, I think it wasn't a mistake. Now I have to build my own panel which is rather good as it won't include unnecessary stuff :) |
17:32.43 | pahartik | rotzbouw: create new panel instance and configure it to behave like one you had? |
17:32.56 | rotzbouw | pahartik: yup, thanks :) |
17:39.41 | rotzbouw | Hm, I'd like to have a cpu temperature monitoring tool... I have the suspicion that it's hotter than when on MacOS X :/ |
17:40.22 | Bor_Ed | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
17:41.25 | rotzbouw | don't see the temperature there.. |
17:41.50 | Bor_Ed | then your kernel doesn't support it |
17:41.53 | Corsac | there was, on old kernels |
17:42.09 | Corsac | (i remember i had it using 2.6.12 or so) |
17:42.37 | Bor_Ed | I have stock debian 2.6.8 for now... though had it on own 2.6.16 too |
17:42.41 | rotzbouw | why would they discontinue cpu temp. monitoring? |
17:42.55 | Bor_Ed | conf options... |
17:43.18 | Corsac | do you know which one ? ) |
17:43.18 | Corsac | :) |
17:43.49 | Bor_Ed | apm/cuda/pmud some switch somewhere |
17:57.07 | rotzbouw | -a stands for automatically? :) |
17:58.32 | pahartik | rotzbouw: did you look at "/sys/devices/temperatures/"? |
18:00.54 | rotzbouw | there is no "temperatures" |
18:02.55 | rotzbouw | I think I'll just have to trust apple :/ |
18:05.19 | pahartik | rotzbouw: your workstation is too new or too old? |
18:06.29 | rotzbouw | too new |
18:10.16 | rotzbouw | think I'm going to try a restart in order to get the touchpad working.. don't want to carry a mouse all the time :/ |
18:11.09 | johill | what kernel is he running?! |
18:11.13 | johill | that should all work out of the box |
18:36.16 | Corsac | does lmsensors work on ppc ? |
18:38.20 | johill | don't think so |
18:38.23 | Corsac | ok |
18:38.29 | Corsac | corsac@hidalgo: sensors [~] |
18:38.32 | johill | benh said something like "I'm not letting those people near ppc" ;) |
18:38.33 | Corsac | Can't access procfs/sysfs file |
18:38.35 | Corsac | Unable to find i2c bus information; |
18:38.38 | Corsac | For 2.6 kernels, make sure you have mounted sysfs and libsensors |
18:38.40 | Corsac | was compiled with sysfs support! |
18:38.43 | Corsac | For older kernels, make sure you have done 'modprobe i2c-proc'! |
18:38.45 | Corsac | :) |
19:00.33 | *** join/#debianppc felicitas (n=regenbog@p5489E13F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
19:02.50 | felicitas | hallo |
19:03.16 | felicitas | anybody here who uses voip? |
19:03.30 | *** join/#debianppc rotzbouw (n=root@p54ACCF1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
19:06.51 | rotzbouw | Re |
19:07.04 | Corsac | johill: ahah |
19:07.07 | rotzbouw | What again is the advantage of "Screen"? |
19:07.12 | felicitas | does nobody here use voip? |
19:11.15 | pahartik | rotzbouw: keeping terminals open and/or sharing them between multiple hosts or X11 sessions |
19:13.53 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
19:29.46 | *** join/#debianppc angel2 (n=ds9@ASt-Lambert-102-1-2-221.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
19:31.34 | *** join/#debianppc xbaez (n=xbaez@201.153.115.155) |
19:34.38 | *** join/#debianppc s^3 (n=s^3@tor/session/external/x-1b3e9182df8a7400) |
19:51.57 | *** join/#debianppc benzea (n=benzea@p54A3A5E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
20:12.42 | *** join/#debianppc MelkorD (n=MorgothD@eha202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
20:21.00 | *** join/#debianppc djspike_ (n=djspike@dyn-83-157-160-238.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
20:29.52 | *** join/#debianppc marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-234-242.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
20:37.51 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
20:38.29 | *** join/#debianppc benzea (n=benzea@p54A3A8FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
20:46.55 | *** join/#debianppc oo0_JeS_0oo (n=JeS@85-49-161-74.mad2.adsl.uni2.es) |
21:01.42 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
22:20.47 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
22:24.41 | justinm | video=atyfb:vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk:65 |
22:24.47 | justinm | what does vmode:14 mean |
22:24.53 | justinm | mclk = refresh rate? |
23:02.27 | *** join/#debianppc mirak (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) |
23:54.53 | *** join/#debianppc microgramme (n=s4@ip-107.net-81-220-161.rev.numericable.fr) |
23:55.18 | microgramme | hi |
23:55.51 | microgramme | i'd like to ask you just 1 question : |
23:56.38 | microgramme | would it be useful if i read a book about debian on PC or it has really nothing to deal with debian on PowerPC ? |
23:57.57 | microgramme | bye |
23:58.00 | *** part/#debianppc microgramme (n=s4@ip-107.net-81-220-161.rev.numericable.fr) |