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| 01:11.23 | mada | i am curious what the rest of the debian community thinks about the powerpc development of debian, will it die off now that the mac-tel craze is in full swing or will it be maintained? |
| 01:12.41 | mada | my main concern is that i would really prefer to own a PowerPC based desktop, but if it will sadly become another architecture of the past, i will break down and go x86 |
| 01:13.24 | mada | .... i am assuming that the chan is a tad on the dead side atm ... |
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| 01:16.50 | lilgg | what kernel image should i download for my ibook g4 ? |
| 01:27.13 | mada | lilgg: i would go stable branch, the testing branch installer freaked out on my ibook g4 |
| 01:27.24 | mada | i gotta run |
| 01:28.00 | lilgg | :S |
| 01:41.24 | lilgg | is this the kernel ? |
| 01:41.24 | lilgg | Package kernel-image-2.6-powerpc |
| 01:41.25 | lilgg | * unstable (base): Linux kernel 2.6 image on powerpc-class machines - transition package |
| 01:41.25 | lilgg | 1:2.6.16-2: powerpc |
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| 10:34.38 | lilgg | ok i installed debian on my ibook.. but i cant right click:/ |
| 10:37.19 | Corsac | on a recent ibook, using synaptic drivers should enable you to right clic using two fingers tap |
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| 10:40.48 | lilgg | let me try it |
| 10:40.56 | lilgg | and about eject? |
| 10:47.23 | lilgg | pbbuttons or gtkpbbuttons? |
| 10:47.54 | Corsac | yeah |
| 10:47.58 | Corsac | pbbuttonsd |
| 10:50.28 | lilgg | k installed them..cant find em lol.. |
| 11:00.49 | lilgg | nm found the conf file |
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| 11:20.23 | JohannesenPB | so who is using wifi-radar and wpa_supplicrap |
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| 11:39.28 | Curalton | using unencrypted wlan plus openvpn gateway |
| 11:50.23 | Corsac | gstreamer0.8-lame doesnt exist on powerpc ? |
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| 13:01.24 | johill | phew. my new sound driver is mostly done |
| 13:08.18 | johill | does anyone know anything about module autoloading? |
| 13:08.46 | johill | my one module is loaded, it then creates devices on a new bus with proper modalias files, but the modules for those devices aren't ever loaded |
| 13:09.03 | johill | note just modprobe `cat /sys/..../modalias` works for them |
| 14:05.16 | Corsac | johill: what keycode are you using for eject key on pbbuttonsd.conf ? |
| 14:05.31 | johill | let me check |
| 14:05.33 | johill | 116 or something |
| 14:05.40 | johill | 161 |
| 14:05.48 | johill | 116 is power |
| 14:05.58 | johill | not that it actually works with my version at the moment tho |
| 14:06.09 | Corsac | ok |
| 14:06.10 | Corsac | (same here) |
| 14:06.19 | Corsac | 3d hardware acceleration (r300; driver exists, current version not tested by me, recent xorg without patches doesn't work anyway) |
| 14:06.35 | johill | heh I guess that's outdated |
| 14:06.39 | Corsac | i don't understand, dri works here but it seems I'm the only one |
| 14:06.41 | Corsac | ah |
| 14:06.55 | johill | nah it'll work with dri, but not without dri |
| 14:06.56 | johill | :P |
| 14:07.01 | Corsac | huhu |
| 14:07.26 | johill | what machine do you have again? |
| 14:08.40 | Corsac | powerbook 5,6 |
| 14:09.09 | Corsac | (still can't run quake3 with opengl accel, but..) |
| 14:10.01 | Corsac | the 1.5Ghz one |
| 14:10.04 | Corsac | without superdrive |
| 14:10.43 | johill | ah ok |
| 14:10.51 | johill | then my new sound driver isn't interesting for you yet :) |
| 14:11.01 | johill | but I'll write a tas3004 plugin later, maybe even tonight |
| 14:11.04 | johill | it is easy to do |
| 14:17.57 | Corsac | hmmh |
| 14:18.03 | Corsac | iirc input works here |
| 14:18.10 | Corsac | ah wait |
| 14:18.24 | Corsac | the mike works but maybe not line in |
| 14:18.31 | johill | input works fine here too |
| 14:18.35 | johill | just not with my new driver |
| 14:18.36 | johill | :P |
| 14:18.40 | Corsac | ! |
| 14:18.46 | lilgg | argh.. my ibook goes on sleepmode all the time.. |
| 14:18.50 | johill | (well on the powermac that is, on the powerbook I don't have a codec driver yet) |
| 14:19.02 | Corsac | your new driver is a complete rewrite ? |
| 14:19.05 | johill | yes |
| 14:19.20 | johill | the framework is almost complete too now :P |
| 14:20.29 | lilgg | anyone can help? i installed debian on my ibook g4 and installed pbbuttonsd and mouseemu.. but it goes on sleepmode all the time.. |
| 14:24.26 | lilgg | ok i removed em.. and now my screens brightness is really low.. |
| 14:26.01 | johill | fblevel |
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| 16:50.39 | devazion | Hello, I am trying to install debian on my PPC (g3 333mhz). How can I boot it from the CD? |
| 16:52.08 | wcstok | you don't |
| 16:52.28 | wcstok | well, beige g3 or blue/white g3 |
| 16:52.38 | devazion | blue one |
| 16:52.43 | Bor_Ed | b&w one should boot |
| 16:53.08 | devazion | blue and white? black and white? |
| 16:53.19 | Bor_Ed | blue&white |
| 16:53.27 | devazion | uh like this one then |
| 16:53.42 | devazion | is there some kind of keystroke to make it boot from cd? |
| 16:54.00 | devazion | i read the manual but i didnt really understand the line: On PowerMacs, hold the 'c' key, or else the combination of Command, Option, Shift, and Delete keys together while booting to boot from the CD-ROM. |
| 16:54.03 | Bor_Ed | press C after boing |
| 16:54.17 | wcstok | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s01.html.en#boot-cd |
| 16:54.20 | devazion | press it before turning power on too? or stawrt with the chime? |
| 16:54.36 | Bor_Ed | when the boing starts |
| 16:54.57 | devazion | got it working! :) thanks alot |
| 16:55.02 | Bor_Ed | :) |
| 16:55.13 | devazion | wow its like 1200x1024 in the console :S |
| 16:55.15 | devazion | ^^ |
| 16:55.59 | devazion | ehm, no keyboard... is there some kind of parametres for the usb keyboard? |
| 16:56.15 | devazion | started now |
| 16:56.15 | devazion | wierd |
| 16:56.29 | Bor_Ed | it'll take a while to load the HID drivers and so on |
| 16:56.36 | devazion | ah, that explains it |
| 16:56.59 | Bor_Ed | those are in initrd, not built in since the kernel is generic |
| 16:57.13 | devazion | i have a regular 160g IDE harddrive that i wants to use. it's the same interface as in the imacs right? |
| 16:57.17 | devazion | p-ata |
| 16:57.20 | Bor_Ed | wcstok: just don't deattach and reattach the keyboard :) |
| 16:57.37 | wcstok | heh, well...there's always something |
| 16:57.38 | Bor_Ed | b&w g3 has ata33 interface |
| 16:57.49 | Bor_Ed | if I recall correct |
| 16:57.53 | devazion | in other words, it'll work right? |
| 16:58.07 | Bor_Ed | yup, but might work only as 136? GB drive |
| 16:58.26 | devazion | okay, i'll try :) |
| 16:58.36 | devazion | i'll have to shut this pc off for a while then be right back |
| 16:58.41 | devazion | thanks alot guys |
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| 17:52.27 | devazion | Hello, I put the harddrive in and it seems to work :) |
| 17:52.35 | Corsac | hmhmh |
| 17:52.35 | Bor_Ed | nice |
| 17:52.37 | devazion | ^^ |
| 17:52.54 | devazion | Instead I got networking problem =/ |
| 17:52.57 | Corsac | the fix for i2c-powermac didn't go in 2.6.16.1 ? |
| 17:53.17 | Bor_Ed | the nic is bmac |
| 17:53.35 | Bor_Ed | or not... it's bmac in beige g3 |
| 17:59.03 | damog | is there any way I can boot MacOS directly from yaboot prompt? |
| 17:59.10 | damog | The entry is not set on yaboot.conf. |
| 18:00.49 | Bor_Ed | boot /dev/hdXY ? |
| 18:03.19 | devazion | Did anyone of you experience DHCP problems during the debian install? I get IP and stuff but I cannot get the filelist from the servers... I tried 10 different servers... |
| 18:03.53 | Bor_Ed | you need to edit /etc/resolv.conf manually for some reason |
| 18:04.01 | Bor_Ed | dhcp doesn't always give that to linux |
| 18:04.20 | devazion | I see :) I'll try that then |
| 18:04.30 | devazion | Will I have to restart something after editing resolv.conf? |
| 18:04.34 | Bor_Ed | nope |
| 18:05.16 | devazion | hmm, my resolv file contains the nameservers... they are equal to the ones I am using on this windows computer |
| 18:05.34 | devazion | is the resolv file supposed to contain something more than the nameservers? |
| 18:05.41 | Bor_Ed | can you ping ftp.yourcountry.debian.org then? |
| 18:05.53 | devazion | hehe ping isnt on the install cd |
| 18:05.55 | Bor_Ed | countrycode that is, as in .se. |
| 18:06.14 | Bor_Ed | what install cd you have? woody or sarge? |
| 18:06.19 | devazion | etch :) |
| 18:06.55 | Bor_Ed | hmm, try sarge and dist-upgrade to etch after basesystem |
| 18:07.13 | devazion | ehm, out of burnable cd's :| |
| 18:07.29 | Bor_Ed | hmmm, that limits a bit |
| 18:07.32 | devazion | i think i'll try to get the network working instead :) |
| 18:07.42 | devazion | (sarge would have been the obvious choice otherwise) |
| 18:07.43 | Bor_Ed | is route ok? |
| 18:07.57 | devazion | hmm, how do i check that? |
| 18:08.08 | Bor_Ed | issue command route in console |
| 18:08.45 | devazion | found an error |
| 18:08.51 | devazion | routing gate is 192.168.0.0 |
| 18:08.52 | devazion | error |
| 18:08.54 | devazion | it should be .1 |
| 18:09.00 | devazion | how can i change it? |
| 18:09.04 | Bor_Ed | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:09.08 | devazion | thx |
| 18:09.18 | Bor_Ed | inga problem |
| 18:09.26 | devazion | ehm, file exists it tells me |
| 18:09.33 | devazion | i wish i had manpages on install cd =/ |
| 18:09.33 | Bor_Ed | route del default then |
| 18:09.36 | devazion | ok |
| 18:09.46 | devazion | got it |
| 18:09.46 | Bor_Ed | and try again |
| 18:09.53 | devazion | i'll try as soon as my file copy ends :) |
| 18:09.56 | devazion | *cheers* |
| 18:10.19 | Bor_Ed | etch == half sarge, half sid... neither work correctly :D |
| 18:10.41 | devazion | hehe ^^ i think its worth beeing a macchochist for the sake of not using backports :) |
| 18:11.16 | Bor_Ed | I use pure sid on server and desktop... gives issue or 2 in every couple of years but nothing impossible |
| 18:11.28 | Bor_Ed | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x100a6148 *** |
| 18:11.28 | Bor_Ed | Aborted |
| 18:11.31 | Bor_Ed | like ^^ |
| 18:11.35 | devazion | :) doh |
| 18:12.47 | devazion | glibc messed more some years ago if i remember correctly :) |
| 18:12.53 | devazion | (i used to run sid) |
| 18:13.18 | Bor_Ed | yup... though it wasn't that bad |
| 18:13.31 | Bor_Ed | just made me reinstall the desktop :) |
| 18:13.52 | devazion | hehe |
| 18:14.03 | devazion | the /home is always safe anyways :) |
| 18:14.09 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 18:14.15 | devazion | im really glad my 160 g worked with this imac :) |
| 18:14.35 | devazion | running 2.1gb would make me cry |
| 18:14.42 | devazion | my swap must be that big lol ^^ |
| 18:15.00 | Bor_Ed | I have 2G disk with mockos and / and 4G drive with /usr and /home |
| 18:15.18 | Bor_Ed | server has 2.1G in total |
| 18:15.34 | devazion | <- desktop/server on same :) |
| 18:15.58 | Bor_Ed | I have pmac4400 with some tuning as a server currently |
| 18:16.02 | devazion | i use around 140 g for media so a 2gb would tear me to pieces |
| 18:16.21 | Bor_Ed | I'll upgrade server to genesi efika 'soon' |
| 18:16.22 | devazion | arf that routing didnt help me |
| 18:16.53 | Bor_Ed | prolly a bug somewhere in installer then |
| 18:16.57 | devazion | eh |
| 18:17.01 | devazion | i checked route again |
| 18:17.05 | devazion | it's the same route again now |
| 18:17.08 | devazion | the .0 |
| 18:17.09 | Bor_Ed | as a lesson, always use cd-rw on the install cd :) |
| 18:17.26 | devazion | ^^ |
| 18:17.32 | devazion | i will go read manpages for route |
| 18:17.47 | Bor_Ed | it should listen to the route add default command |
| 18:19.15 | devazion | it didnt =/ |
| 18:19.24 | devazion | and i cannot delete the 192.168.0.0 route since it has no "name" eeh |
| 18:19.35 | Bor_Ed | as I said, etch is half sarge, half sid |
| 18:19.46 | Bor_Ed | just do route add 192.168.0.1 then? |
| 18:20.02 | devazion | i will |
| 18:22.14 | devazion | my #route gives me 192.168.0.0 gateway * and netmask and so on =/ |
| 18:22.53 | Bor_Ed | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:22.54 | Bor_Ed | default 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:23.03 | Bor_Ed | I have 192.168.1.* network here |
| 18:23.39 | devazion | hmm |
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| 18:24.10 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.36 | devazion | ah i will :) |
| 18:27.34 | devazion | Can I manually edit the routing tables? |
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| 18:28.46 | Bor_Ed | if you can, please tell me too, I've only found the route command capable of that... possibly doable in /proc land too |
| 18:29.06 | devazion | I will :) |
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| 18:31.33 | devazion | according to some other guys there are no file for it |
| 18:31.35 | devazion | just the route command |
| 18:32.34 | wcstok | what are you trying to do to your poor little routing table |
| 18:33.10 | devazion | i am trying to make it route to my gateway so i can download the files needed to continue my install :) |
| 18:33.26 | wcstok | route add default gw <router-ip-here> |
| 18:33.35 | Bor_Ed | didn't work |
| 18:33.41 | wcstok | what did it say |
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| 18:34.11 | devazion | im still working on it ;) |
| 18:34.14 | Bor_Ed | file exists... according to him |
| 18:34.30 | wcstok | what did you set your nic ip to? |
| 18:36.40 | devazion | did i set that? ^^ |
| 18:36.58 | wcstok | ok better question, what does ifconfig -a say your nic ip is |
| 18:37.32 | devazion | nic? what does it mean? |
| 18:37.36 | devazion | what am i looking for? |
| 18:38.13 | wcstok | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:22:40:1B:0C |
| 18:38.14 | wcstok | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.14 | wcstok | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.32 | wcstok | what does it report on your system |
| 18:38.49 | devazion | inet addr:192.168.0.3 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 18:39.22 | wcstok | ok and what happens if you ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:39.25 | devazion | and my route tells me default 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:39.36 | devazion | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:39.57 | devazion | if i am correct i need to get the 255.255.255.0 on the first line changed to 0.0.0.0 (the default gateway) |
| 18:40.02 | wcstok | that's good |
| 18:40.08 | wcstok | what happens if you ping the gateway |
| 18:40.16 | devazion | no ping availble =/ |
| 18:40.20 | devazion | isnt included on cd |
| 18:40.35 | wcstok | rat bastard distro |
| 18:40.38 | wcstok | telnet, ssh? |
| 18:40.52 | devazion | none |
| 18:41.19 | devazion | i will try to restart the installer i guess |
| 18:41.33 | wcstok | lynx? |
| 18:41.38 | devazion | nope :) |
| 18:41.48 | wcstok | wtf |
| 18:41.59 | Bor_Ed | wcstok: that's etch.. |
| 18:42.12 | wcstok | ah well, you brought it on yourself then |
| 18:42.21 | Bor_Ed | told that already :) |
| 18:42.21 | devazion | im out of cd's so i have no choice :) |
| 18:42.30 | devazion | i will need to walk the dog now... he is peeing on himself almost |
| 18:42.35 | devazion | i'll be back in 15-20 |
| 18:42.36 | devazion | :/ |
| 18:42.49 | Bor_Ed | pick a cd-rw from kiosk while yer at it |
| 18:43.04 | devazion | haha no kiosk near |
| 18:43.11 | Bor_Ed | buggr that |
| 18:43.42 | wcstok | your route settings seem ok, did you set a nameserver? |
| 18:43.51 | Bor_Ed | it's ok too |
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| 18:44.19 | wcstok | 'course with no way to test it...what idiot packaged that |
| 18:44.34 | Bor_Ed | some dd :) |
| 18:45.03 | Bor_Ed | though etch is worst from stable and unstable... |
| 18:47.27 | wcstok | I forget what I installed on this machine..meh, it works, I'm not touching it |
| 18:48.02 | wcstok | though I have yet to get a 2.6 kernel working properly |
| 18:48.18 | Bor_Ed | I installed woody and dist-upgraded to sid after basesystem |
| 18:48.25 | Bor_Ed | 2.6 works just fine |
| 18:49.12 | wcstok | I'm sure, just not when I try it on that g3 (works fine on my laptop, meh) |
| 18:49.36 | Bor_Ed | you have beige g3? |
| 18:49.39 | wcstok | yeah |
| 18:49.41 | Bor_Ed | I |
| 18:49.47 | Bor_Ed | 'd have a kernel for ya :) |
| 18:50.32 | Bor_Ed | linux-image-2.6.14.5_2.6.14.5-10.00.Custom_powerpc.deb old but works for me(tm) |
| 18:51.24 | wcstok | mac:/sys# uname -a |
| 18:51.24 | wcstok | Linux mac 2.4.32 #9 Mon Dec 19 19:55:46 CST 2005 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 18:51.24 | wcstok | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.46 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.15.5 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060304 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-10)) #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 5 21:53:24 EET 2006 |
| 18:52.14 | Bor_Ed | uses same conf as the image I've got saved |
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| 19:09.37 | mada | anyone here today? |
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| 19:32.02 | mada | anyone here? |
| 19:32.26 | wcstok | no |
| 19:32.36 | Corsac | no |
| 19:34.59 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.13 | mada | fantastic |
| 19:35.19 | Corsac | :) |
| 19:36.41 | mada | ok, so i am in the market for a new machine and i would like to buy a powerpc machine from ---> http://www.pegasosppc.com/products.php because i love my mac but the mac and the powerpc relationship is going to the grave and my main concern is the future support of the architecture in the linux and more importantly, the debian community |
| 19:37.09 | mrwick | mada : me too |
| 19:37.33 | Bor_Ed | http://ppczone.org/projects ... you can get even a free one through there |
| 19:38.20 | mada | whoa .. a free machine? |
| 19:38.30 | Bor_Ed | I ain't by no way attached on running the site, just got my 'project' approved there and waiting for the board currently |
| 19:38.45 | mada | interesting |
| 19:38.51 | mada | the link didn't work |
| 19:39.07 | Corsac | http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php |
| 19:39.14 | mada | kk, thanks |
| 19:39.26 | Bor_Ed | http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php |
| 19:39.28 | Bor_Ed | my bad |
| 19:39.28 | Corsac | Bor_Ed: what project was it ? |
| 19:40.04 | Bor_Ed | http://projects.ppczone.org/projects.php?pending=38 |
| 19:40.16 | Bor_Ed | Corsac ^^ |
| 19:40.48 | mada | interesting.... |
| 19:41.33 | Bor_Ed | doesn't require that huge inventing as wheel is, just a project that you think you can manage |
| 19:41.48 | mada | then comes this question ... do you think the genesi open desktop would outperform a g4 mac min? |
| 19:41.52 | mada | mini* |
| 19:42.09 | Corsac | and if the project aborts you should send back the hardware ? :) |
| 19:42.18 | Corsac | (is there any laptop powerpc vendor now ?) |
| 19:42.32 | Bor_Ed | odw is 1GHz open platform where macmini is closed and hard to expand hardware |
| 19:43.13 | mada | Corsac: i don't think so to be honest |
| 19:43.21 | Bor_Ed | Corsac: that's just a request... though if/when I get the board, it'll be in heavy use on 'improvement cycle' |
| 19:43.51 | mada | okies, thankies all .... laters |
| 19:44.29 | Bor_Ed | efika is getting seated to lappie on some project(s) on the site, others than that, no idea |
| 19:45.39 | Bor_Ed | I'd like to see mpc8641d seated to a lappie though :) |
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| 22:57.37 | cricket | hey, my laptop powered out during a deibna update |
| 22:57.38 | cricket | and now |
| 22:57.40 | cricket | it wont boot |
| 22:57.45 | cricket | cant find the image i think |
| 22:57.47 | cricket | what should i do |
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| 23:06.08 | kerneld | boot cd |
| 23:08.02 | kerneld | Not too familiar with the boot options for yaboot, but you should be able to specify a kernel arg, root=/dev/hda7 or whatever. You might want to go a few steps in to the install cd until you get a menu and open up a shell, then you can thec the partition table to see which partition is your root if you can't remember |
| 23:08.44 | kerneld | s/thec/check/ |
| 23:08.57 | kerneld | heh, cute |
| 23:18.46 | cricket | i dont have a cd, should i just get any cd iso |
| 23:18.51 | cricket | for debian ppc |
| 23:19.16 | kerneld | it wouldn't hurt |
| 23:19.31 | kerneld | got a cdrw and uncapped bandwidth so its not a total waste? |
| 23:20.21 | kerneld | It could be that the kernel got replaced, but not configured for instance |
| 23:20.59 | kerneld | so if you can boot of the kernel on the cd, and then run: ybin (If you are using yaboot) |
| 23:21.38 | kerneld | after running apt-get upgrade ... |
| 23:22.13 | cricket | so apt-get upgrade |
| 23:22.16 | cricket | then ybin? |
| 23:22.33 | kerneld | I think so. |
| 23:22.38 | cricket | k |
| 23:22.42 | cricket | ;et me see what the exat error is |
| 23:22.46 | cricket | one sec |
| 23:22.51 | kerneld | My laptop is at home, and haven't messed with the boot in ages |
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