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| 01:33.12 | sync350 | Ok, question...I have a old, (very old) G4 running OS 8.6. I'm downloading Debian right now onto a CD to use with the old system. Do I have to manually partion the hard drive for it? How do I do this? |
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| 01:40.25 | sync350 | crap, the things so old it can't mount the disk image...? |
| 01:40.50 | sync350 | its a .iso, and I run it but there's no application to run it with... :( |
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| 06:56.45 | SimonRaven | paulproteus: i never did manage to get AFSs going; not yet anyway. i've given up for now. |
| 06:57.27 | paulproteus | SimonRaven: AFS, like Andrew File System? |
| 06:58.06 | SimonRaven | yeh. wasn't it you whom i was talking about it several months ago, and to e-mail you if i got it working? |
| 06:58.21 | paulproteus | Probably a year ago at this point. (-: |
| 06:58.30 | SimonRaven | uh hunh |
| 06:58.33 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 06:58.35 | paulproteus | Maybe more, actually. |
| 06:58.43 | paulproteus | I stopped using it about a year ago. (-: |
| 06:58.47 | SimonRaven | a good while. |
| 06:59.32 | SimonRaven | no, #debian |
| 06:59.38 | paulproteus | Ah, that makes more sense. |
| 06:59.52 | paulproteus | SimonRaven: What problem did you have with AFS? |
| 07:00.10 | paulproteus | Was it getting the clients going, or the server? |
| 07:00.37 | paulproteus | There was a good article on debianplanet.org, iirc, that helped me through both server setup and client setup. |
| 07:00.53 | SimonRaven | at the time i couldn't get the fileserver going, then i was able to, but it's pointless now since the box i wanted to test it on is all xfs jfs, and afs doesn't "like" those |
| 07:02.03 | SimonRaven | yeh, seen that one. helped me too. but i have things that i've done that had higher priority (like GSSAPI + LDAP, which works nicely) |
| 07:02.55 | paulproteus | SimonRaven: Oh, that's cool. GSSAPI + LDAP would be nice; at my site, we have LDAP + TLS because I couldn't get pam_krb5 to work.... |
| 07:03.05 | paulproteus | I made a separate AFS server partition that used ext3, and on the clients I had an ext2 cache partition that I rm -rf'd on boot. |
| 07:03.07 | SimonRaven | i mat try again, but i've too many things to do |
| 07:03.11 | SimonRaven | may* |
| 07:03.21 | paulproteus | Is this for work, or home, or what? |
| 07:03.48 | SimonRaven | yeh, that'd be nice. i may re-do one of the partitions as ext3 just for kicks |
| 07:03.52 | SimonRaven | both home |
| 07:03.53 | paulproteus | XFS is bad-bad-bad for recovery... |
| 07:04.31 | SimonRaven | i treat the home net like it was a small org., just to give me experience, etc. |
| 07:04.32 | paulproteus | See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html . |
| 07:04.41 | paulproteus | Me, too. |
| 07:04.52 | paulproteus | Then I got to college and had acm.jhu.edu to play with, which *is* a real small org. (-: |
| 07:05.16 | SimonRaven | ugh, i won't touch reiser. xfs i haven't had horrible things happen. though jfs seems to be more reliable, as well as good ol' ext3 |
| 07:05.23 | SimonRaven | nice |
| 07:05.35 | paulproteus | You should read the note at the top of that page, btw, and realize that it applies to XFS too.... |
| 07:06.17 | SimonRaven | brb, food prep. |
| 07:12.53 | SimonRaven | back |
| 07:14.09 | SimonRaven | well, Works for Me *shrug* (yes, i've read it) |
| 07:15.48 | SimonRaven | maybe this is full of it, but it seems to have more issues on LE machines than BE ones. but, this box is LE, so that theory is blown |
| 07:16.07 | paulproteus | XFS, you mean? |
| 07:16.17 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 07:16.27 | paulproteus | Okay. (-: |
| 07:19.12 | paulproteus | Well, I'm going to go to bed. |
| 07:19.16 | paulproteus | Good night! |
| 07:19.33 | SimonRaven | right now i'm trying to de-puzzle selinux... with the ldap, it's isn't easy... just whines about no entry in passwd file (but really doing an ldap lookup...), and according to some stuff i've read, the very role it's looking for shouldn't be ldapified... g'night paulproteus |
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| 07:20.07 | SimonRaven | fucking PITA.... |
| 07:20.34 | paulproteus | SimonRaven: Maybe it doesn't have permission to execute the libpam_ldap.so or libnss_ldap.so ? |
| 07:20.46 | paulproteus | "permission" - I mean, role, or whatever it's called. |
| 07:20.59 | SimonRaven | it's not in enforce mode. i'm still training it |
| 07:21.14 | paulproteus | Hmm, I see. |
| 07:21.29 | paulproteus | Well, you're right, SELinux is totally a PITA. |
| 07:21.31 | SimonRaven | and i haven't seen anything in the logs WRT to that |
| 07:21.48 | paulproteus | We used to use it for about two months at acm.jhu.edu, but we stopped after both sysadmin and user frustration. (-: |
| 07:22.03 | SimonRaven | yeh, i can imagine |
| 07:22.25 | SimonRaven | FFS, kerberos is easy peasy compared ... |
| 07:23.23 | paulproteus | So if later you want to help me figure out why a kerberos realm isn't working.... (-: |
| 07:23.28 | paulproteus | Anyway, good night. |
| 07:24.08 | SimonRaven | ok. sure, g'night |
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| 10:30.54 | Makeio | hi! how i can compile kernels in powerpc? i try with a traditional way make vmlinux && make modules && make modules_install but crash in the compilation of modules... with a debian way works good? |
| 10:52.32 | Makeio | anybody can help me, i have a lot of problems with a kernel compilation? |
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| 11:54.29 | dj-death | enable_xvideo yes |
| 11:54.41 | dj-death | in /etc/mol/molrc.video |
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| 12:30.48 | gbyron | i've got debain ppc running on my powerbook rev III . just wanted to know if anyone had any luck with DVI out and radeon 7500 M ? |
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| 13:29.58 | TBBle | Makeio: Compiling kernels works the debian way, but if you have problems try ARCH=ppc at the front of the command. There's still something up with the powerpc/ppc architecture shift. |
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| 14:48.54 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Hi all! |
| 14:50.10 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Does anyone know if there is a kernel patch in order to enable powerbook & ibook FN key??? |
| 14:54.31 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I tried a 2.6.14 FN key patch in a 2.6.15-rc7 kernel and didn't succeed... |
| 14:57.22 | TBBle | Uhh, try pbuttonsd. |
| 14:57.43 | TBBle | That stuff doesn't really belong in the kernel, I think is the consensus. |
| 15:01.13 | Corsac | TBBle: hmh, you're wrong |
| 15:01.17 | Corsac | pbbuttonsd can't help |
| 15:01.23 | Corsac | and yes, there are some patches |
| 15:01.43 | Corsac | the "last one" enables direct event from kernel (page up, page down, etc...) |
| 15:02.51 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: you are right, pbbuttons has no effect under keymap... |
| 15:04.26 | Corsac | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345797 |
| 15:04.46 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I want the FN key just as another key different from "control key" (If you remeber previously FN key was recognised as "control key" in powerprefs, for example) |
| 15:04.55 | Corsac | https://hansmi.home.forkbomb.ch/public/usbhid-hook-try8.diff |
| 15:07.00 | TBBle | Oooh. I hope that goes into the Debian kernel sometime soon. |
| 15:07.19 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: Could you explain me how to apply this patch? (I've never applied a *.diff) |
| 15:08.42 | Makeio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.51 | Corsac | Makeio: it is |
| 15:09.07 | Corsac | oo0_JeS_0oo: on a debian source or a kernel.org source ? |
| 15:09.20 | oo0_JeS_0oo | yes |
| 15:09.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | on sources from kernel.org |
| 15:09.59 | oo0_JeS_0oo | linux-2.6.15-rc7 sources |
| 15:11.52 | Corsac | check out linux-2.6.15 sources |
| 15:12.00 | Corsac | then untar them |
| 15:12.11 | Corsac | then, in the linux-2.6.15/ folder, just do: |
| 15:12.22 | Corsac | patch -p1 < /path/to/the/patch.diff |
| 15:12.31 | Corsac | then fakeroot make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 15:12.40 | Corsac | (with your .config) |
| 15:12.53 | oo0_JeS_0oo | OK, as usual |
| 15:13.42 | oo0_JeS_0oo | applying the *.diff is as a *.patch |
| 15:13.45 | oo0_JeS_0oo | allright |
| 15:16.13 | TBBle | Hmm. I'll have to build locally to test anyway. Patch doesn't appear to have my USB Product ID in it. |
| 15:16.57 | Makeio | Corsac, itīs the same that i386 arquitecture?? |
| 15:18.38 | TBBle | I found with building external modules against Debian kernels, you have to put ARCH=ppc at the front of the make line... I don't know if that's your problem though. |
| 15:18.59 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: one thing more, do I have to modify sth in the kernel config so that the FN key takes effect??? |
| 15:21.00 | Corsac | Makeio: ? |
| 15:21.11 | Corsac | yes |
| 15:21.19 | Corsac | oo0_JeS_0oo: but make-kpkg will ask you |
| 15:22.55 | oo0_JeS_0oo | Corsac: I build kernel as usual not using kpkg, so what do I have to modify on menuconfig?? |
| 15:23.47 | Corsac | don't remember, but that should be easy to find |
| 15:24.47 | oo0_JeS_0oo | OK |
| 15:25.34 | oo0_JeS_0oo | thanks |
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| 19:06.01 | _rene_ | for those which apparently use the bcm43xx driver to use wlan already. which snapshot of bcm32xx and ieee80211softmac? doesn't work here neither for open nor WEPed network... |
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| 19:39.39 | Bor_Ed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.58 | Bers_ | okay... he is gone |
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| 21:50.52 | Caroch | hi |
| 21:52.16 | Caroch | I'm running debian stable ppc. When I run "module-assistant prepare", it fails, saying that it cannot find the package "kernel-headers-2.6.8-powerpc". What can I do ? I've tried "apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8" (without -powerpc) and it works, but then I can't get module-assistant to compile the module with these headers. |
| 21:56.58 | Caroch | help will be much appreciated... |
| 22:01.22 | oo0_JeS_0oo | well, as I can see you are attempting to install a kernel package |
| 22:01.57 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I hardly recommend you a newer kernel version... |
| 22:02.02 | Caroch | I'm trying to install shfs |
| 22:02.23 | Caroch | (following http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/30) |
| 22:06.37 | oo0_JeS_0oo | then I don't know why you are trying to install a new kernel-image |
| 22:07.18 | Caroch | I'm not ! I run "module-assistant build shfs" to build shfs, and it tells me that kernel-headers-2.6.8-powerpc is missing. |
| 22:08.09 | oo0_JeS_0oo | apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 22:08.43 | Caroch | it doesn't return anything |
| 22:09.03 | oo0_JeS_0oo | apt-cache search kernel-headers |
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| 22:09.26 | Caroch | the list is long... |
| 22:11.09 | Caroch | (I can paste it on #paste if you like) |
| 22:12.36 | oo0_JeS_0oo | sure... |
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| 22:49.13 | core | gonna be mostly embedded people and old school |
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| 22:59.25 | Q-FUNK | core: why? |
| 23:02.00 | core | Q-FUNK: because apple's moving to x86 |
| 23:02.06 | core | or have i got it wrong |
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| 23:13.26 | _rene_ | core: well, there's a) still people having the ppc models |
| 23:13.37 | _rene_ | core: and b) it's not apple alone who does ppc stuff |
| 23:14.18 | Q-FUNK | core: there's plenty of Mac out there. there's also clones, RS6k, Pegasos, Amiga with accelerator cards, etc. etc. |
| 23:14.51 | core | *nod* |
| 23:15.08 | core | there will still be embedded |
| 23:15.26 | core | but i still imagine less people in this channel |
| 23:15.29 | Q-FUNK | and given how sturdy mac hardware is, I would not be surprised if they became favorite buys on the second-hand market too. |
| 23:16.00 | Q-FUNK | so, probably more, not fewer users |
| 23:16.24 | core | hadn't thought of that |
| 23:16.31 | core | ;))) |
| 23:16.31 | Q-FUNK | fewer os x users on ppc, yes, but all the ppc hardware moving towards linux |
| 23:16.44 | core | alright you've convinced me |
| 23:18.14 | Q-FUNK | and that's already the case with me. I bought this iMac CRT for close to nothing, simply because it's barely supported by OS X, and yet it's nonetheless a G3 newworld Mac. works great with Debian. |
| 23:20.36 | Q-FUNK | barely meeting the minimum requirement for OS X already means that it's no good for real mac users, so they let it go and buy newer stuff |
| 23:21.55 | Q-FUNK | I predict an even more compelling version of this happening the day apple stops supporting the ppc architecture in their os x builds. |
| 23:23.45 | core | i have my ibook still but it's on a box in kansas |
| 23:23.46 | core | :( |
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| 23:53.37 | Caroch | hi |
| 23:53.55 | Caroch | is it possible to have gcc-4.0 in a debian sarge ? |
| 23:54.59 | Q-FUNK | Caroch: have you checked on the backports site? |
| 23:55.10 | Caroch | no, where is this ? |
| 23:56.05 | Q-FUNK | backports.org |
| 23:56.25 | Caroch | thanks |
| 23:58.07 | Caroch | it doesn't seem to be there |
| 23:58.45 | Q-FUNK | might be possible to build it from the source package |
| 23:58.57 | Q-FUNK | first binutils, then gcc |
| 23:59.17 | _rene_ | I am fairly sure backporting gcc-4.0 is nontrivial. besides the fact that you can't really build C++ apps against it anyway with your sarge C++ libs... |
| 23:59.27 | Caroch | too bad, I'm don't know debian well enough to do this now |