| 00:00.02 | SimonRaven | um, again, ide-generic isn't needed for pmac |
| 00:00.06 | DelTree | they are *not* in the initrd... |
| 00:00.25 | DelTree | so hwdetect is crazy ? |
| 00:00.49 | SimonRaven | it asks that whether or not it's needed. i get that on totally scsi boxen |
| 00:00.57 | DelTree | and I still have an empty /dev/ide and no /dev/hd* |
| 00:01.36 | DelTree | and both my hard disk and my cdrom *are* ide... |
| 00:02.36 | DelTree | that's driving me mad... |
| 00:02.36 | SimonRaven | ...and i'm booting machiens from floppy usually... |
| 00:02.42 | SimonRaven | machines* |
| 00:02.59 | SimonRaven | (for the installer i mean) |
| 00:03.01 | DelTree | mine does not have floppy... |
| 00:03.08 | DelTree | and cannot boot on the usb floppy |
| 00:03.17 | SimonRaven | i know |
| 00:04.05 | SimonRaven | for the newworlds it's highly suggested to use the cd. some have netbooted them to d-i however |
| 00:05.43 | demon | the newworlds won't boot from floppy |
| 00:06.02 | DelTree | I start seeing myself stuck in MacOSX... |
| 00:06.20 | demon | but I can't see why netbooting as opposed to CD booting would be a problem |
| 00:06.28 | SimonRaven | i know, i was mixing in oldworld stuff there. sorry for the confusion |
| 00:06.47 | SimonRaven | to try it out, test it, etc. |
| 00:06.56 | SimonRaven | ;p |
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| 01:21.59 | |meheren| | hi i was wondering is it possibal to run firefox 1.0.7 on the current release of debian? |
| 01:23.48 | |meheren| | is it? |
| 02:34.13 | fo0bar | http://www.livejournal.com/users/fo0bar/132819.html <-- for anyone who happens to be around |
| 02:34.43 | fo0bar | I'd appreciate testers; I only have it tested on 7 powerpc machines. thanks! |
| 02:40.19 | demon | er... you're pimping another linux/ppc distro on a debian channel? :) |
| 02:41.31 | fo0bar | demon: it's debian-based. see finnix.org |
| 02:42.25 | fo0bar | and by "debian-based", I mean "once you're at the bash prompt, it's hard to tell it's not debian" |
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| 06:52.29 | deadcat | openoffice2 takes ~ 5min to load on my 800mhz ibook. not this slow on my 800mhz x86. you guys have this problem? |
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| 08:22.18 | sktrdie | deadcat: not really |
| 08:22.54 | lost626 | hey DelTree, you had any luck? |
| 08:23.00 | sktrdie | it took 12 secs here |
| 08:29.27 | deadcat | damn. |
| 08:29.35 | deadcat | took me forever. |
| 08:30.03 | lost626 | what took forever deadcat |
| 08:30.11 | deadcat | oo2 |
| 08:30.36 | lost626 | building it, or binary install? |
| 08:30.42 | deadcat | binary |
| 08:30.50 | deadcat | apt-get it tonight |
| 08:30.50 | lost626 | ahh |
| 08:31.13 | deadcat | still loading. |
| 08:31.19 | deadcat | the splash screen is not even out yet |
| 08:31.19 | lost626 | I read somewhere that it may be better in some cases to build the packages, and just getting off gentoo that is my kick now |
| 08:31.34 | lost626 | what processor? |
| 08:31.40 | deadcat | 800mhz |
| 08:31.46 | lost626 | ram? |
| 08:31.53 | deadcat | 382 |
| 08:32.01 | lost626 | and it's taking that long? |
| 08:32.05 | deadcat | oo1 was fast |
| 08:32.07 | lost626 | xfree or xorg? |
| 08:32.10 | deadcat | ya. |
| 08:32.24 | deadcat | thats why i am complaining. oo1 was pretty fast compare to 2 |
| 08:32.34 | deadcat | and oo2 look ugly too |
| 08:32.54 | lost626 | was there a major codebase update? |
| 08:33.03 | deadcat | no clue |
| 08:33.22 | lost626 | jeez |
| 08:33.30 | lost626 | I am glad I am hearing this now |
| 08:33.37 | deadcat | and why is oo.org requires so much crap anyway. all those java shits |
| 08:34.04 | lost626 | isn't java pretty slow? |
| 08:34.14 | deadcat | ya |
| 08:34.29 | lost626 | that's probab;y why 002 is slow then |
| 08:34.44 | lost626 | they may have changed to a java api for it |
| 08:34.44 | deadcat | oo1 use java too i think |
| 08:34.50 | lost626 | oh |
| 08:34.55 | lost626 | I don't know then |
| 08:35.21 | lost626 | I haven't tried compiling it yet, so I don't know what it was built on |
| 08:36.16 | lost626 | why the authors would opt for java over gtk I don't know |
| 08:36.40 | deadcat | multi platform maybe |
| 08:36.59 | lost626 | I mean is there a platform out there that gtk hasn't been ported to? |
| 08:37.31 | lost626 | I was just looking at gaim on windows, and even that has gtk2 ported to it |
| 08:38.20 | lost626 | I know many versions of |
| 08:38.28 | lost626 | OS X have gtk ported |
| 08:39.33 | lost626 | darwin's got it, all the linux distro's, I'd imagine the bsd's too |
| 08:39.46 | lost626 | further than that I am not sure what else there is |
| 08:39.53 | sktrdie | I'm going to get a centrino laptop soon |
| 08:40.05 | sktrdie | I hate my nvidia ppc |
| 08:40.17 | sktrdie | I wish I had an ati in my powerbook |
| 08:41.44 | lost626 | I have read that nvidia on ppc-linux is not very well supported |
| 08:42.15 | sktrdie | i know |
| 08:42.40 | lost626 | is it really that bad? |
| 09:01.55 | sktrdie | lost626: well |
| 09:01.56 | sktrdie | yea |
| 09:02.06 | sktrdie | at least supports 2d acceleration |
| 09:02.10 | sktrdie | so I can watch movies |
| 09:02.18 | sktrdie | but for the rest, it sucks |
| 09:02.28 | sktrdie | slow at anything, scrolling, moving windows around |
| 09:03.13 | lost626 | geez, I can really tell the difference in performance on this one |
| 09:06.23 | lost626 | well, I gotta go, it's after 1 AM here |
| 09:06.26 | lost626 | seeya |
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| 10:02.31 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: How could I make work keyboard backlight? I've looked your daemon lmud but I don't know how to run it |
| 10:03.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I have the daemon pbbuttonsd |
| 10:24.26 | svenl | ... |
| 10:24.44 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: no idea, ask on the list maybe ? |
| 10:29.20 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: I untar-ungzip lmud, then make, and ./lmud, and why doesn't it succed? |
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| 10:29.58 | benoitc | hi |
| 10:30.19 | benoitc | is there a way to have apache2 + php5 without using unstable ? |
| 10:30.41 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I have /dev/i2c-4 and my kernel load i2c-dev as a module, what more is need? |
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| 10:43.25 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: how should i know ? |
| 10:43.35 | svenl | benoitc: backport[s].org ? |
| 10:43.41 | svenl | not sure if you need the s or not. |
| 10:43.54 | svenl | or youcan just rebuild the stuff from source |
| 10:45.07 | benoitc | mmm ok |
| 10:45.29 | benoitc | thanks fo the answer |
| 10:47.58 | sethstorm | now if I could find out if there's a ppc kernel that has the scsi modules builtin - since I've got a 2940 without OF support, but works when the module is loaded |
| 10:48.25 | sethstorm | and attempting anything with a qlogicisp seems to go nowhere due to something being broken |
| 10:56.06 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: could you pass me your kernel .config or your vmlinux and /lib/modules/*? |
| 11:02.36 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.14-1-powerpc. |
| 11:02.43 | svenl | nothing magic there. |
| 11:03.23 | svenl | sethstorm: why does it need to be builtin ? Won't yaboot or quik or whatever be able to load the initrd containing the module the same way it loaded the kernel ? |
| 11:03.53 | benoitc | anyone here know if we could change the internel extreme airportt card of an alubook to another mini-pci card ? |
| 11:04.08 | svenl | benoitc: no. |
| 11:04.20 | svenl | benoitc: see mailing list archie, it is non-standard mini-pci card. |
| 11:04.43 | benoitc | oh ok :( |
| 11:05.01 | benoitc | so I have to get a pcmcia card waiting the broadcom driver, right ? |
| 11:06.28 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: that kernel-image is supposed to run lmud or keyboard's backlight on pbbuttonsd? |
| 11:07.30 | sethstorm | svenl: the 2940 doesnt have openfirmware on it |
| 11:07.47 | svenl | benoitc: or a a usb one. |
| 11:07.49 | sethstorm | and right now, I'm using BootX to get things running |
| 11:08.21 | benoitc | ok thanks for the answer |
| 11:08.37 | svenl | sethstorm: so, bootx know how to load the initrd, from disk the same way the kernel does, so what is your problem. |
| 11:08.55 | svenl | sethstorm: i mean yaird | initramfs-tools should add the needed module to the initrd, and all should be fine. |
| 11:09.02 | svenl | benoitc: no problem, sorry it is bad news. |
| 11:09.11 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: In which repository is that kernel-image, not any of mine's? |
| 11:09.25 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: if mainline 2.6.14 does work then we do too. |
| 11:09.44 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: if it does not, you are better off asking benh or something. |
| 11:09.48 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: current unstable/sid. |
| 11:10.30 | benoitc | np, think I will buy a pcmcia card. Very disppointing by fink on osx. And since I do only web development, linux is just what I need I think |
| 11:10.46 | benoitc | other bad news is that tv out doesnt work yert:( |
| 11:11.14 | svenl | benoitc: what X serrver are you using ? |
| 11:11.30 | benoitc | apple one for instance |
| 11:11.43 | svenl | benoitc: 6.9/7.0 is adding tv-in, and the tv-out patch from the the gatos project should help. |
| 11:11.52 | svenl | Ah, ... on os X you mean. |
| 11:11.53 | svenl | well. |
| 11:11.57 | benoitc | oh xorg |
| 11:12.00 | benoitc | sry ;) |
| 11:12.05 | svenl | get yourself a TV with dvi input :) |
| 11:12.10 | sethstorm | svenl:and I presume that would require another machine's use of those tools on the initrd |
| 11:12.35 | svenl | sethstorm: don't understand you ... |
| 11:12.58 | benoitc | hum interresting anyway :) |
| 11:13.21 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: what is your current kernel? |
| 11:13.38 | svenl | i plan to work on it, since i have a radon 9800 Pro AIW, which i wanted to use for TV recording or something. |
| 11:14.13 | svenl | oo0_JeS_0oo: linux-image-2.6.14-1-powerpc, installed on my sarge tibook, with backported yaird. |
| 11:14.32 | svenl | sethstorm: what is the current status of your machine ? |
| 11:15.23 | sethstorm | svenl: ready for the base install to boot |
| 11:16.10 | sethstorm | it's gotten far enough to have it trying to place quik |
| 11:16.30 | benoitc | ok, first let's go to install debian ppc on this mac mini |
| 11:16.50 | svenl | sethstorm: oh, you mean in d-i ? |
| 11:16.59 | sethstorm | yes |
| 11:17.03 | svenl | benoitc: try the etch beta. |
| 11:17.47 | sethstorm | it's partitioned, modules load except for qlogicisp |
| 11:17.58 | svenl | benoitc: from cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing |
| 11:18.33 | benoitc | svenl, where I can get it ? |
| 11:18.38 | svenl | sethstorm: isn't that the one with non-free and undistributable firmware we had to remove it. |
| 11:18.45 | svenl | benoitc: follow above patched link :) |
| 11:19.00 | svenl | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/powerpc/current/ |
| 11:19.04 | svenl | This one is more complete. |
| 11:19.14 | svenl | $ find /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-powerpc/ -name \*qlogic\* |
| 11:19.14 | svenl | /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/scsi/qlogicfas408.ko |
| 11:19.14 | svenl | /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/scsi/pcmcia/qlogic_cs.ko |
| 11:19.14 | svenl | /lib/modules/2.6.14-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/scsi/qlogicfc.ko |
| 11:19.29 | svenl | those are the only ones i have. |
| 11:20.06 | sethstorm | it's the qlogic chip that goes to the Jackhammer PCI boards |
| 11:20.16 | sethstorm | and I've heard of there being a lot of problems |
| 11:20.24 | benoitc | svenl, mmm I have only one cd to burn ;) does it work ? ;) |
| 11:21.34 | svenl | sethstorm: please provide the pci id of it (/proc/pci and /proc/bus/pci/devices), and file and installation report. |
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| 11:21.56 | benoitc | hum sorry |
| 11:21.58 | benoitc | xchat was freezing on osx :\ |
| 11:22.13 | sethstorm | will do so on the qlogicisp issue |
| 11:22.15 | benoitc | svenl, does etch beta better than the current install ? |
| 11:22.27 | benoitc | i've only one cd to burn so ... ;) |
| 11:24.22 | oo0_JeS_0oo | svenl: what line in sources.list to unestable/sid |
| 11:24.53 | SimonRaven | @sid |
| 11:25.05 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: ping |
| 11:25.06 | ravenbird | SimonRaven: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:25.22 | SimonRaven | ravenbird: ping |
| 11:25.23 | ravenbird | pong |
| 11:25.28 | SimonRaven | @sid |
| 11:25.28 | ravenbird | well, sid is the unstable branch of debian. Sarge is testing and will become stable one day, to be replaced by a new testing branch. Woody is the current stable branch, or you can ask me about sid-cdimages, or the mean kid from toystory, or not unstable it's still in development, or "broken. Live with it". Sid will always be the codename for the unstable branch. ... |
| 11:26.28 | ptitlouis | hmm, maybe you should update this factoid, sarge is stable now ;) |
| 11:27.32 | benoitc | and etch is testing |
| 11:29.37 | SimonRaven | oh woops, i thought it was. |
| 11:29.42 | SimonRaven | sec |
| 11:33.04 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 11:33.08 | SimonRaven | @ben break |
| 11:33.08 | ravenbird | "Woody is unstable. If you currently enjoy a problem free system, and have no specific reason for using woody, I suggest you stick with potato. There may not be any problems now (there might be, but I don't know all of the details), but sooner or later shit will hit the fan. If you don't know enough about system recovery, you may be screwed." -- Ben Collins, ... |
| 11:33.28 | SimonRaven | , debian-sparc, 7-Dec-2000 |
| 11:33.39 | Q-FUNK | heh |
| 11:35.29 | benoitc | when etch will become stable ? |
| 11:35.35 | SimonRaven | WIR |
| 11:35.43 | SimonRaven | @WIR |
| 11:35.44 | ravenbird | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 11:36.04 | benoitc | @RSN |
| 11:36.05 | ravenbird | rumour has it, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never), or see also "wir" and "siyh" |
| 11:36.14 | benoitc | mm |
| 11:36.44 | benoitc | svenl, did you know any pb with sarge install on a mac mini ? |
| 11:38.56 | svenl | benoitc: i tested it on my PReP powerstack and on the pegasos machine, didn't try on powermacs, but it should be a no-brainer. |
| 11:39.13 | svenl | benoitc: you should buy a CD-RW for this kind of stuff. |
| 11:39.39 | svenl | benoitc: and yes, i believe etch/beta1 is better than sarge, you will have a working out of the box X and 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 11:39.49 | svenl | but you should upgrade to 2.6.14 in sid i believe. |
| 11:40.38 | sethstorm | svenl: the module for aic7xxx is there, just a matter of it loading soon enough (boot parameter?) |
| 11:40.41 | svenl | benoitc: about etch becoming stable, december 2006 is the planed date, but its upto you. |
| 11:41.03 | svenl | sethstorm: if you have an adaptec card, why do you ask me about qlogicsp ? |
| 11:41.22 | svenl | sethstorm: normally d-i should parse the pci bus and discover that you need the aic7xxx driver and load it. |
| 11:41.29 | svenl | sethstorm: what exactly arte you doing ? |
| 11:42.10 | sethstorm | trying to get things to boot right after the installer is done with quik |
| 11:42.39 | benoitc | svenl, thanks for explanation |
| 11:43.02 | oo0_JeS_0oo | I'll try this kernel ... |
| 11:43.10 | oo0_JeS_0oo | see you |
| 11:43.56 | svenl | sethstorm: the installation with d-i went well, and quik-installer is run, so you should just boot. |
| 11:44.07 | svenl | and if it doesn't work, you should file an installation report. |
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| 14:25.18 | pahartik | SimonRaven: you said JFS is good for PowerPC? |
| 14:25.31 | svenl | pahartik: just use ext3. |
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| 14:32.32 | DelTree | hi... |
| 14:32.51 | DelTree | beginning another day of trying to install debian on powerbook5,9 |
| 14:33.11 | DelTree | mknod-ing hda,hdb,hdc and hdd gives nothing better... |
| 14:33.27 | DelTree | really seems to have no ide driver in the place... :/ |
| 14:35.05 | pahartik | DelTree: "dmesg" shows devices that drivers have detected |
| 14:36.11 | DelTree | pahartik: hwdetect complains it does not find ide-core, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect and ide-generic... |
| 14:38.42 | pahartik | DelTree: "udeb" that has them is missing? |
| 14:38.58 | DelTree | udeb ? |
| 14:39.21 | DelTree | nothing has them on p.d.o for ppc arch... |
| 14:39.41 | DelTree | at least for ide-core.ko and ide-generic.ko |
| 14:40.06 | DelTree | I'm getting more and more confused... |
| 14:41.00 | pahartik | DelTree: try to load modules manually? |
| 14:41.25 | DelTree | no avail to try to load the modules... |
| 14:41.35 | DelTree | they *are not* in /lib/modules..... |
| 14:44.03 | DelTree | I'm really out of understanding... |
| 14:52.59 | DelTree | http://packages.debian.org/stable/debian-installer/ide-modules-2.6.8-powerpc-di <----- I kinda like the result of clicking "list of files" there... |
| 15:00.25 | DelTree | I really don't know what I can do... and I hate that... |
| 15:05.03 | pahartik | DelTree: i am having problems with PowerMacintosh 7300 |
| 15:06.36 | DelTree | what kind of problems ? |
| 15:09.04 | benoitc | hummm testing installer cause my screen display anything (out frequencies) |
| 15:09.28 | benoitc | and when I tried video=ofonly it doesn't work: don't find /vmlinuz |
| 15:10.14 | benoitc | any id to solve it ? |
| 15:10.32 | pahartik | DelTree: install problem... stable installer with Linux 2.6 gives black screen as "installer" (other virtual terminals work as expected) |
| 15:12.10 | DelTree | benoitc: looks like a buggy yaboot.conf... it's /vmlinux and not /vmlinuz I think... |
| 15:12.18 | pahartik | DelTree: ...stable installer with Linux 2.4 crashes at some point, unstable installer with Linux 2.6 gets "oops" while installing fetched base packages to new "/"... |
| 15:12.50 | benoitc | ok I forgot "install" before video)=ofonly :\ |
| 15:13.17 | DelTree | :) |
| 15:13.19 | benoitc | thanks DelTree |
| 15:13.22 | benoitc | ou merci |
| 15:14.32 | DelTree | OK... burning gentoo installer now... what a shame... I *hate* gentoo... |
| 15:15.29 | benoitc | DelTree, doesn't work on an alu ? |
| 15:15.40 | DelTree | ? |
| 15:18.54 | benoitc | on which machgine you can't install ? |
| 15:19.07 | DelTree | powerbook5,9 |
| 15:19.46 | DelTree | seems those are pretty new... :/ |
| 15:21.09 | benoitc | hum I'be the 5,6 hope it will works |
| 15:30.29 | DelTree | ok... time to boot on gentoo... see if it does better... |
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| 15:37.18 | DelTree | ok... |
| 15:37.33 | DelTree | *no* linux distro installs on powerbook5,9 |
| 15:40.39 | Bor_Ed | install frisbee then |
| 15:40.56 | DelTree | maybe netbsd would work... |
| 15:41.02 | ptitlouis | hmmm |
| 15:41.07 | Bor_Ed | it'll run even on toasters |
| 15:41.18 | DelTree | ptitlouis: yes ? |
| 15:41.38 | ptitlouis | i'm trying to boot on netbsd 2.1 install iso |
| 15:41.40 | ptitlouis | and no success :( |
| 15:41.52 | DelTree | ?? |
| 15:42.16 | DelTree | ptitlouis: you have 5,9 too ? |
| 15:42.40 | ptitlouis | i've an ibook :) |
| 15:43.38 | ptitlouis | the machine field in cpufinfo give me PowerBook6,5 |
| 15:44.06 | DelTree | ... |
| 15:48.33 | DelTree | ok... only two things left to test... |
| 15:48.38 | DelTree | mandrake and netbsd... |
| 15:49.30 | Bor_Ed | mandrake? you mean mandriva? |
| 15:49.47 | DelTree | mandrake 9.1 |
| 15:50.10 | DelTree | that's all I found on linuxiso... |
| 15:50.11 | Bor_Ed | it won't work... get the mandriva 2006.0 boot iso |
| 15:50.11 | benoitc | DelTree, did you test ubuntu ? |
| 15:50.22 | DelTree | benoitc: ubuntu fails... |
| 15:50.35 | DelTree | benoitc: exactly the same as debian... |
| 15:52.25 | Bor_Ed | mandriva 2005le cds are at ftp://sunsite.uio.no/linux/MandrivaLinux/devel/iso/ppc/10.2/ |
| 15:53.31 | Bor_Ed | ftp://sunsite.uio.no/linux/MandrivaLinux/devel/2005/ppc/install/images/boot.iso network install iso... |
| 15:53.51 | benoitc | hum xfs or ext3 .:\ |
| 15:55.50 | DelTree | 14 Mo boot.iso ? |
| 15:55.55 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:56.08 | DelTree | what do they hope to do with that ? |
| 15:56.22 | Bor_Ed | it loads up the installer and installs over the net |
| 15:56.49 | DelTree | and as it does not have ppoe... |
| 15:56.57 | DelTree | +p |
| 15:57.04 | Bor_Ed | I recall it has pppoe too |
| 15:57.24 | DelTree | I'm sur it does not work... |
| 15:57.31 | DelTree | 14 Mo cannot possibly work... |
| 15:57.38 | Bor_Ed | hehe, well, not a big loss on cd-rw disk :D |
| 15:58.03 | Bor_Ed | smallest debian basesystem cd is 30 something megs... mandriva downloads even the basesystem |
| 15:59.13 | ptitlouis | if you build your own d-i you can do less than mandriva's netinstall |
| 15:59.19 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 15:59.29 | Bor_Ed | 3 meg kernel and 3-5 megger ramdisk |
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| 16:11.06 | DelTree | ok... let's try that little thingie... |
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| 16:15.49 | DelTree | alright... |
| 16:15.59 | DelTree | 14 Mo doesn't even boot... :) |
| 16:19.42 | DelTree | not strange with no yaboot.conf |
| 16:20.01 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:20.46 | DelTree | nb: I cannot boot on floppy... |
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| 16:45.03 | DelTree | Is there a way I could cook a boot floppy myself having linux/x86 and MacOSX ? |
| 16:45.33 | DelTree | s/floppy/cdrom |
| 16:45.52 | DelTree | looks like I'm tired... :) |
| 16:49.28 | Bor_Ed | yup can dd the boot floppies in any OS |
| 16:49.56 | DelTree | :) |
| 16:50.05 | DelTree | I can't boot on flopp... :/ |
| 16:50.34 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 16:50.37 | DelTree | could I modify a cd ? make my own iso ? |
| 16:51.14 | Bor_Ed | yup... with that jidgo thingy |
| 16:51.34 | DelTree | yes... but that's only with debian packages... |
| 16:54.45 | DelTree | na... I cannot build a kernel... so that's of no avail... |
| 16:57.40 | DelTree | if netbsd doesn't work I'll have no solution... :/ |
| 17:05.39 | pahartik | DelTree: wait for next unstable installer? |
| 17:06.04 | DelTree | is there any newer installer than 31r0a ? |
| 17:07.02 | pahartik | DelTree: "/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-powerpc/" |
| 17:07.03 | Bor_Ed | yup, etch beta |
| 17:07.27 | DelTree | ... |
| 17:07.30 | DelTree | ok... |
| 17:07.39 | DelTree | lemme try netbsd first... ;) |
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| 17:14.41 | DelTree | ok... netbsd doesn't boot... |
| 17:17.01 | benoitc | DelTree, did you try to force boot in firmware ? |
| 17:17.31 | DelTree | I'm presently looking for what I should call from OF... |
| 17:17.42 | benoitc | boot cd:,\\yaboot |
| 17:18.07 | DelTree | no such thing in netbsd... |
| 17:18.19 | benoitc | hmm with linux anyway |
| 17:18.41 | DelTree | ofwboot.elf ? |
| 17:19.31 | benoitc | don't know netbsd :| |
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| 17:22.25 | benoitc | mmm yaboot installation failed on testing iso |
| 17:24.40 | benoitc | doin't find /target/ |
| 17:25.28 | DelTree | ok... it's ofwboot.xcf... lemme try that... |
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| 17:31.36 | DelTree | well... not really a success... :/ |
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| 17:38.23 | benoitc | mmm it seems that it doesn't find hfsutils |
| 17:38.38 | benoitc | any id how to setup source mirror in install ? |
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| 17:39.23 | Coutal | why would you need hfsutils? there's full support in the kernel now |
| 17:41.25 | benoitc | Coutal, I've a bug whil installing debian with testing installer |
| 17:41.41 | benoitc | it can't install yaboout and yaboot depends on hfsutils it seems |
| 17:44.04 | benoitc | mkofoot complained in hfsutils |
| 17:45.38 | benoitc | how do u install bootloader without hfsutils ? I mean mkofboot --mount ... ? |
| 17:49.23 | DelTree | ok... another try... :) |
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| 17:56.50 | Coutal | does anybody know why all of my kernels crash almost immediately after boot? compiling 2.6.14 vanilla with debian unstable gcc |
| 17:57.42 | Bor_Ed | works here(tm) |
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| 17:57.59 | DelTree | still nothing... |
| 17:58.08 | Bor_Ed | gcc 4.something and vanilla 2.6.14 |
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| 17:59.44 | Coutal | does anybody know why 2.6.14 doesn't work with latest gcc from unstable? all kernels i build crash almost immediately. |
| 18:00.25 | Bor_Ed | it does work |
| 18:00.34 | DelTree | never try to build kernel with recent gcc... |
| 18:00.36 | Coutal | weird. doesn't work for me. |
| 18:00.39 | Bor_Ed | Linux version 2.6.14 (root@g3) (gcc version 4.0.3 20051023 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-3)) #3 PREEMPT Sat Oct 29 22:38:29 EEST 2005 |
| 18:03.00 | Coutal | interesting |
| 18:05.12 | DelTree | no linux on that box... :/// |
| 18:10.11 | benoitc | DelTree, seem kernel should be patched : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-396455-highlight-powerbook5+9.html |
| 18:10.44 | Bor_Ed | gentoo... hmm, fuck-upstream patches again? :) |
| 18:11.08 | benoitc | benh patch |
| 18:11.22 | Bor_Ed | mmmkay |
| 18:15.04 | DelTree | ... |
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| 18:33.02 | Coutal | funroll-loops.org (old but good) |
| 18:33.22 | Bor_Ed | yup :D |
| 18:33.25 | DelTree | ? |
| 18:33.38 | elSinuX | hello, does any body knows an apt serverd for amarok? |
| 18:34.01 | Bor_Ed | isn't amarok part of kde-something package... possibly multimedia |
| 18:34.07 | Bor_Ed | amarok - versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE |
| 18:34.20 | Bor_Ed | nope... it's an own package on pool |
| 18:34.36 | Coutal | warning: large paste coming: |
| 18:34.36 | Coutal | CFLAGS="-g0 -DTT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER -pipe -O3 -march=pentium4 -fweb -funswitch-loops -funroll-all-loops -funit-at-a-time -fsched2-use-traces -fsched2-use-superblocks -fsched-stalled-insns=12 -frename-registers -fprefetch-loop-arrays -fpeel-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -fmerge-all-constants -finline-limit=32768 -finline-functions -ffunction-sections -ffast-math -fdata-sections -fbranch-target-load-optimize2" |
| 18:34.38 | Bor_Ed | it's on main |
| 18:35.20 | elSinuX | on main? do you know de address? thks :) |
| 18:35.36 | Bor_Ed | any deb mirror |
| 18:35.49 | Bor_Ed | better off to install with apt though |
| 18:36.17 | elSinuX | because with aptitude i cant find it |
| 18:36.29 | Bor_Ed | apt-cache search found it here |
| 18:37.40 | pahartik | elSinuX: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=amarok&searchon=names&version=all&release=main |
| 18:38.22 | Bor_Ed | pahartik: feeding with the spoon? :) |
| 18:38.54 | pahartik | Bor_Ed: with needle-nose pliers |
| 18:39.04 | Bor_Ed | mmmm :D |
| 18:39.20 | Q-FUNK | ROTFL |
| 18:40.32 | Bor_Ed | hmm, got to drop by to pick up some beer so I can watch the tripple x |
| 18:40.53 | DelTree | will powerbook5,9 be supported by sarge or not ? |
| 18:41.23 | elSinuX | and... Im working on an old ibook. Does any body knows how to get the ouput vga for monitor? |
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| 18:48.34 | ctr | Would it be possible to install debian on the disk, but without the yaboot partition ? |
| 18:48.47 | ctr | And use a cd to boot the linux install |
| 18:49.18 | ctr | I only ask is that I'd like to install debian, I have a 5 gig partition I can zap, but I also have a 33Gb partition for OSX I'd rather not have to reinstall |
| 18:49.56 | Bor_Ed | syookt fuxed |
| 18:50.32 | DelTree | you can even put yaboot on your osx partition... but then you'll have to go to OF to boot linux... |
| 18:50.34 | Bor_Ed | supply fixed even |
| 18:50.51 | DelTree | M00 |
| 18:50.57 | DelTree | :)) |
| 18:51.01 | Bor_Ed | µøø |
| 18:56.03 | DelTree | :) |
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| 18:57.37 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: say, can you do me a small favor? |
| 18:58.17 | Bor_Ed | possibly |
| 18:58.30 | Coutal | go to the atyfb sources, change #undef DEBUG to #define DEBUG and uncomment #define DEBUG on mach64_ct.c and atyfb_base.c and then compile your kernel |
| 18:58.45 | Bor_Ed | aww buggr |
| 18:58.45 | Coutal | then, boot once with quik and once with bootx and send me the dmesg output |
| 18:58.58 | Bor_Ed | I can't boot with quik yet up to login :) |
| 18:59.02 | Coutal | that's because i don't have quik set up on my system and i can't set it up |
| 18:59.20 | Coutal | oh |
| 18:59.22 | Coutal | bugger. |
| 18:59.29 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 19:00.06 | Coutal | i mean, i found out what the new code breaks. but i have no idea what bootx does to "undo" it. |
| 19:00.28 | Coutal | where could i possibly find out what steps openfirmware takes in initializing a video card? |
| 19:00.39 | Coutal | s/openfirmware/MacOS ROM |
| 19:00.54 | Coutal | (well, the code piece that quik skips) |
| 19:01.09 | Bor_Ed | OF inits the gfx chip |
| 19:01.30 | Bor_Ed | and OS does that too but with something different |
| 19:04.45 | Coutal | yeah, that was helpful :P i need to know what it does to be able to compensate for it. what registers does it frob. it messes with the PLL and DSP settings. |
| 19:04.45 | Coutal | brb |
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| 19:11.59 | elSinuX | im geting mad, I cant install amarok |
| 19:13.13 | elSinuX | my sources ftp://ftp.fr.debian/org/debian/ testing main |
| 19:14.35 | benoitc | gettiing mad I can't install debian ppc on my mac mini ;) |
| 19:14.43 | pahartik | elSinuX: "testing" seems not to have it, but "stable" and "unstable" do... |
| 19:15.08 | Coutal | benoitc: why would you want to do that though? |
| 19:15.14 | benoitc | there is a pb with testing netinst. yabootconfig can't be installed |
| 19:15.27 | benoitc | Coutal, to make a cluster to render with cineelerra |
| 19:15.33 | benoitc | a "cheap" cluster |
| 19:15.34 | Coutal | i see |
| 19:15.48 | Bor_Ed | deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 19:15.51 | Bor_Ed | has it |
| 19:16.33 | benoitc | ok stable work :) |
| 19:18.06 | elSinuX | thks i found it in unstable :p |
| 19:19.36 | Coutal | say, what can the DSP_ON_OFF register mean for the chip, anyway? |
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| 19:23.03 | benoitc | hmmm better to go on testing or stay in stable ? |
| 19:28.25 | elSinuX | does any body know how to work with an external monitor on an Ibook? |
| 19:31.00 | Bor_Ed | setup screen for it... |
| 19:31.04 | pahartik | elSinuX: i am using it every day |
| 19:31.16 | Bor_Ed | oh, and at least used to require m3mirror util too |
| 19:31.28 | benoitc | elSinuX, use xorg 7.0rc1 o |
| 19:31.48 | benoitc | oh sorry I thought you speak about tv out |
| 19:34.16 | Coutal | Bor_Ed: could you please still compile the new kernel with debug info? it might come handy once quik starts, and if not i could always use it to look up a specific register - like i might need to now. |
| 19:35.23 | Bor_Ed | well I can compile then too |
| 19:35.39 | Bor_Ed | I'd really like to get the mockos out from ruining the disk |
| 19:35.55 | Coutal | why would mockos ruin your disk? |
| 19:36.05 | Bor_Ed | eats space :D |
| 19:37.18 | Coutal | ah, yeah :) |
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| 19:55.13 | Bor_Ed | hmm, I'll need to compile kernel with initrd, the 2.6.14-1-powerpc doesn't want to install for some reason |
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| 20:18.05 | svenl | benoitc: you can install yaboot by hand though. |
| 20:19.02 | benoitc | I triede but it doesn't work. pb /dcev/hda2 and /dev/disc... plus --mount didn't work |
| 20:19.14 | benoitc | anyway I installed sarge and have done a dist-upgrade |
| 20:19.20 | benoitc | everything is ok now . |
| 20:19.31 | benoitc | currently installing 2.6.14 :) |
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| 20:53.19 | benoitc | mmm how to build initrd image with debian ? |
| 20:54.11 | benoitc | I did a make-kpkg, butr when I install the kernel initrd isn't installed |
| 20:54.33 | DelTree | probably forgot an option in make-kpkg... |
| 21:04.52 | svenl | ok, benoitc sorry about this problem. |
| 21:04.59 | svenl | benoitc: can you file an installation report ? |
| 21:10.06 | svenl | benoitc: thanks for testing though. |
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| 21:12.47 | benoitc | yes I can |
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| 22:22.01 | benoitc | re |
| 22:22.04 | benoitc | mac mini : http://enki.metavers.net/phpsysinfo |
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| 22:35.36 | ctr | hello |
| 22:36.37 | ctr | How hard would it be to install linux on my ibook, and have it require a cd to boot into linux ? I can't repartition my disk, but I have a 5 gb partition at the end of the disk I can use to install linux onto it |
| 22:37.08 | Curalton | sounds doable |
| 22:38.33 | ctr | Curalton, any idea on the best strategy ? |
| 22:39.16 | Curalton | erm, so far i never reinstalled debian, so i dont know if the current installer can just pick a partition |
| 22:39.37 | Curalton | try the sarge netinstall image for ppc and boot from it |
| 22:40.56 | ctr | k |
| 22:41.31 | benoitc | hmmm do u know a little tutorial to make package ? |
| 22:41.48 | benoitc | the wole documentation is a little complex ;-) |
| 22:41.52 | benoitc | whole |
| 22:41.57 | Curalton | benoitc: quick hack: use checkinstall |
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| 22:43.32 | benoitc | Curalton, ? |
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| 22:46.00 | Curalton | benoitc: if you meant making a .deb package |
| 22:46.27 | benoitc | ok |
| 22:47.47 | benoitc | thanks |
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| 23:39.38 | benoitc | re |
| 23:40.35 | benoitc | have a little pb : when I load a firewiredrive, firewire hardisk work all the time |
| 23:40.41 | benoitc | any id to solve that ? |
| 23:41.00 | benoitc | maybe enable dma acces in kernel would resolve this pb ? |
| 23:41.04 | SimonRaven | what do you mean, and what do you want to do? |
| 23:41.19 | benoitc | to have less noise |
| 23:41.46 | benoitc | fan always working when firewire hd is plugged |
| 23:41.56 | benoitc | dunno why ? |
| 23:42.54 | SimonRaven | that shouldn't matter, and i suppose you can have it spin down, but i think you'd have to do it manually... but do not take my word for it. probably because the FW drive is drawing power... |
| 23:43.56 | benoitc | hum but on osx it doesn't do that |
| 23:45.10 | SimonRaven | this isn't os x, is it. different os |
| 23:56.23 | benoitc | sure |
| 23:58.30 | Curalton | is the drive accessible via /dev/something? you can try hdparm -S 5 or so to make it spin down faster |
| 23:58.58 | benoitc | will try thios thanks :) |
| 23:59.24 | Curalton | man hdparm |