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00:00.37piemaarkerio: yes
00:01.19piemdebian sarge installs perfectly on a G5 using install-power4
00:01.20aarkeriopiem: my system suddenly shtudown, I dont know why   (sorry, the english is not my forte)
00:01.36piemaarkerio: what kernel are you running
00:01.49aarkerio2.6.7
00:02.48piemsuch a shut down sounds to me like a cooling issue. can you hear the fan going ?
00:02.59piemtried 2.6.8-power4 ?
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00:06.02piemdigging in /var/log/syslog* you should be able to find the reason of the shutdown
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07:44.58Hydroxidewhat's the best way to get an fdisk for msdos partition tables on debian powerpc? the powerpc util-linux package doesn't seem to include the pc fdisk
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08:02.26simonrvnshould be there already. fdisk or cfdisk
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08:03.22crappledevI'm upset now. I just got a PB Wallstreet and it came with no software..damn ebay
08:08.03pahartikcrappledev: and the problem is...?
08:12.26crappledevWell, I am reading mixed opinions, I have read that debian won't install on wallstreet without first partitioning with MacOS cd
08:12.42simonrvni wouldn't worry about it
08:12.47simonrvn@macmodels
08:12.47ravenbirdhttp://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml or http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels or http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/models.html
08:27.21Q-FUNKsimonrvn: about the ALSA bounty:  better link to my Ubuntu wiki page, since my blog is gone (topic).
08:29.28simonrvnok
08:29.48simonrvnQ-FUNK: URI?
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08:32.10Q-FUNKhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinEricRacine
08:34.55assassintroll
08:35.57simonrvndanke
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08:37.40*** topic/#DebianPPC by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.12 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: hhttp://tinyurl.com/b44ls
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08:37.59Q-FUNKtypo :)
08:38.33pahartikdoes iSight need some special driver or does it just show up as DV source device on IEEE-1394 bus?
08:38.57Q-FUNKpahartik: oh, you got yourself one of those?
08:39.06assassinrfc 2616
08:39.35Q-FUNKassassin: nope
08:39.42Q-FUNKassassin: read carefully.
08:39.51pahartikQ-FUNK: not yet, just thinking about it
08:39.57simonrvnoh, yeh
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08:40.04*** topic/#DebianPPC by simonrvn -> Debian on PPC - think of it as a never-ending IQ test. | Want Linux 2.6? Use kernel.org or sid/sarge kernel-images; DON'T USE BENH 2.6 RSYNC | vers.: 2.6.11.12 | Wiki at tinyurl.com/2r8uc | New (2003+) PowerMacs with XFS HOWTO http://tinyurl.com/2s2os | Sarge released: 2005-06-06 | New penguinppc.org live! | pasting? /whois paster | ALSA bounty: http://tinyurl.com/b44ls
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08:40.14Q-FUNK:)
08:41.10assassinQ-FUNK: HHTTP?
08:41.30assassinoddness
08:41.31Q-FUNKprecisely
08:41.34simonrvntypo i did; hhttp
08:41.49assassinahhh
08:42.03assassin<--slow
08:43.19simonrvnheh, np
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08:45.42ioopshi
08:49.43sonnesimonrvn, hey, 2.6.12 is out :)
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08:53.49ioopswhat's new on 2.6.12 for powerpc ?
08:54.27assassinhttp://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.12 ?
08:55.24pahartikassassin: 27560 lines
08:55.26ioopsFix nasty sleep/wakeup problem -> good :)
08:56.22assassinpahartik: alot of those are just headers and newlines
08:56.47pahartikassassin: metadata is important
08:57.26assassinindeed
08:57.42ioopspahartik, i search just ibook changelog ;)
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09:39.26simonrvn@ff Bor_Ed
09:39.27ravenbirdBor_Ed: fartfish
09:39.37simonrvnbrb ;)
09:39.47Bor_Edbleh
09:39.51simonrvn:)
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10:28.37VoltageXhow could I wipe and reinstall a DebianPPC box?
10:28.48VoltageXG3 iMac
10:29.39piemVoltageX: using a sarge installer would do
10:30.02VoltageXpiem: err how do I get one of those on an oldworld iMac?
10:30.09VoltageXdoesn't boot CDs
10:30.21piemoh
10:31.01simonrvnyes it does
10:31.11simonrvng3 imac is not oldworld
10:31.17Bor_Eduse boot floppies
10:31.28simonrvng3 imac is not oldworld
10:31.28Bor_Edbut imacs are newworld
10:31.30VoltageXsimonrvn: I couldn't get it to boot a CD and I can't remember what I did to get it working
10:31.32simonrvn:)
10:31.44VoltageXsom
10:31.48VoltageXoops
10:32.01VoltageXI copied a small debian netinstaller on there
10:32.07VoltageXapart from that I can't remember
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10:36.34PetroHard drive boot?
10:37.05VoltageXcan someone go to #flood? I found some hd-install instructions but UI don't understand them.
10:37.11VoltageXUI=I
10:39.54simonrvn@install guide
10:40.39VoltageX?
10:42.57simonrvnthe bot was gone... sec
10:43.15VoltageXare there any mirrors for debian-testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso ?
10:43.44simonrvnwhatever www.debian.org says
10:44.11Bor_Edand it's stable nowadays for sarge
10:44.20simonrvnyes
10:44.28Bor_Edtesting will be etch at some point
10:44.34simonrvnit is etch
10:44.49Bor_Edalready ?
10:45.07_rene_yes, since the release of sarge
10:45.11Bor_EdI just have testing/unstable as version :o
10:45.15simonrvnas soon as sarge went stable... actually having packages in it is another story ;)
10:45.17_rene_the symlink changed, britney runs again, ...
10:45.31simonrvnsame
10:45.36Bor_Edhmm
10:45.36Bor_Edoookay
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10:46.05simonrvnok, here comes the bot. the ircd just looked up ident for it
10:46.08simonrvnheh
10:46.12simonrvn@install guide
10:46.13ravenbirdfor woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual ; sid: /msg ravenbird iyhtays.
10:46.21Bor_Edwell, got to get some breakfast here
10:46.30simonrvnVoltageX: ^^^^^^
10:49.05Bor_Edmuch better
10:49.20VoltageXso I need an initrd.gz file and a yaboot.conf file... where do I get those?
10:50.39VoltageXI should be able to boot it from OpenFirmware
10:51.53simonrvnyes. boot cd or such. read the install guide
10:53.32VoltageXgot it now
10:53.37VoltageXgetting lots of files for it
10:54.02VoltageXprobably would be easier to actually fix the install that was on there but meh
10:54.31simonrvnyes. chroot is your friend ;)
10:54.46VoltageXmeh
10:54.53VoltageXI feel like reinstalling
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10:55.03simonrvnhehe. that's cool
10:55.17VoltageXgives me a chance to make it uber bloat free
10:55.54Bor_Edyea... bare basesystem installed and rest with apt :)
10:56.02simonrvnmy main box is very crufty... but that gives a strange sense of comfort :)
10:56.50simonrvnlike an old pair of shoes - maybe scuffed, or have a hole in it, but damn they're comfortable =)
10:57.00VoltageXwell yeah that's the reason for reinstall - apt+ lots of other stuff is borked
10:57.24VoltageXbrb
11:12.55VoltageXyay fixed it without a reinstall
11:13.05VoltageXbut apt-get uninstalled build-essential :/
11:13.11VoltageXI reinstalled apt
11:13.47simonrvnshould be ok then
11:14.05VoltageXafter a dist-upgrade back to stable it should be right
11:14.17VoltageXthen to delete useless packages
11:14.30VoltageXah the wonders of working in a 5gb limit
11:16.36VoltageXwonderful machine: G3 iMac 233mhz 160mb RAM + it heats the room nicely after 30min of being on
11:17.16simonrvnit's that substantial CRT
11:17.42VoltageXits nearly always off in sleep mode tho!!
11:18.18Bor_Edhere beige g3 never has given heat :o
11:18.26Bor_Edand it runs 24/7/365 at 100% load
11:18.57VoltageXbbl
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11:25.41jc-dentonhi all do i have sound support with 2.6.12 on a mac mini?
11:27.39Bor_Edpossibly
11:27.54Bor_Eddon't recall the module name though, sorry
11:27.54pahartikjc-denton: [PATCH] ppc32: add sound support for Mac Mini
11:28.32pahartikBor_Ed: most probably "snd_powermac"
11:28.47Bor_Edhmmm
11:30.14jc-dentonok
11:30.21jc-dentonthx
11:31.00PetroIs there a GUI modconf-style frontend to module loading/unloading?
11:31.02pahartikjc-denton: "However, I haven't found any kind of HW support for volume control on this machine."
11:31.19jc-dentonok
11:31.26jc-dentoni'm just curious
11:31.30jc-dentonusing it as server anyways
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15:46.33mrwickhey, anyone home.. .
15:46.34mrwick?
15:46.51mrwickI'm doing a 2.6.12 build on a powerbook G4 15"
15:46.59crappledevmrwick: sure
15:47.21mrwickcan anyone point me to where I find out exactly what I need, so I don't have stuff I don't need in the kernel?
15:47.33mrwickI'm unsure, for example, on . .
15:47.55mrwickthese pci option. . etc. .
15:48.25crappledevmrwick: what kind of pb g4? there have been many models released
15:48.32mrwicklspci and the avaliable kernel modules don't seem to match up perfectly :-)
15:48.55mrwickcrappledev : hmm.. how would I tell you that?  /proc/cpuinfo?
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15:50.54mrwickit's a 1.3Ghz with the firewire 800/400 on the right, and a pcmcia slot on the left
15:52.17crappledevmrwick: yeah, the 1.3 helps
15:53.02mrwickheh.. I guess they're calling it 'Aluminum'.. but I see nothing that came with it that says 'Aluminum' :-\
15:53.36mrwickcrappledev : I've built a 2.6.11.?? for it before, but now I'm more interested in streamlining
15:56.42pahartikmrwick: i have tuned Linux configuration for iBook G4 by looking at "dmesg" output and enabling/disabling features
15:58.25mrwickpahartik : thanks. but sometimes what dmesg or /proc/ or lspci . .or whatever isn't in the config . . and what's needed in the kernel isn't always listed in dmesg . . etc...
15:58.56crappledevhttp://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/files/config there is a pretty streamlined conf
15:59.25mrwickcrappledev : thx.  checking now
15:59.32pahartikmrwick: it does not hurt to try booting kernel without something important
15:59.55pahartikmrwick: it is usually easy to determine what was missing
16:00.18crappledevmrwick: pahartik is correct, you could always just load the module if you forget something
16:01.03mrwickwell.. yeah.. but the main problem I usually have is I don't put enough stuff in to boot!
16:01.31mrwickonce, I only put in ide support for builtin powermac . . and coulcn't mount root :>
16:02.02pahartikmrwick: me too
16:06.23mrwickcool.. I feel like I'm going about it more rightly than before, thankx..
16:06.39mrwickcrappledev : did you find that config w/ google?
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16:32.38ioopsre
16:38.04mrwickmi
16:40.12ioopss
16:40.15ioops:)
16:40.40ioopsmrwick, can you help me about config ppc 2.6.12 kernel for my ibook ?
16:42.23_rene_want my config? :)
16:42.41_rene_but it's really easy. you only have to know what hw you have :)
16:42.44mrwickioops : well, I was just asking for help for my PowerBook.. so I may not be the best person to ask.. but you should ask questions anyway!
16:43.03mrwick_rene_ : that's the problem I'm having.. what hw do I have :-)
16:43.05ioopsok thank mrwick :)
16:43.38_rene_uh, think? use lspci? lsusb? etc?
16:43.41_rene_anyway...
16:43.50_rene_zyklop.dyndns.org/~rene/config-2.6.12
16:44.25_rene_eventually you want to change some of the modules to inside if you need them often. or the other way round if you don't want e.g. thrn_adt.. built-in
16:45.12_rene_for iBook G4 12"
16:45.22_rene_14" wants pcmcia enabled, too :-)
16:46.40mrwick_rene_ : yeah, I've read /proc extensively.. so the problem is, there is no UniNorth 2 Firewire module in the kernel
16:47.24_rene_there is. sbp2 or so
16:47.42_rene_CONFIG_IEEE1394_SBP2
16:47.51_rene_that's for the iBook G4
16:48.08_rene_and of course you need ohci1394 etc. for the base...
16:48.10mrwickyeah.. how did you correlate sbp2 with your firewire bus?
16:48.41ioopsmy kernel compile, i think i found my error :)
16:48.59_rene_I enabled what my hw is and used $brain
16:49.46_rene_oh, sorry
16:49.52_rene_sbp2 isn't specific to iBooks
16:49.58_rene_it's just FW-HDDs
16:50.07mrwicktrial and error . that is a good way
16:50.22_rene_the FW stuff is self-explanatory mostly. you want to enable it. simply.
16:50.40_rene_almost every board works with ohci1394
16:51.13mrwickyeah.. it seems to work fine, but I was talking about the difference between /proc; lspci; etc.. and the kernel config
16:51.17_rene_and then the rest of the FW stuff as moule because there may be some occurance I want to use some device somewhen then I am somewhere
16:51.37_rene_mrwick: there is none. you look what you have there. what hotplug loads for modules etc
16:51.48_rene_ans then you make menuconfig and think what you need.
16:52.09_rene_if unsure, build a module :)
16:52.24_rene_except for the core stuff which needs to be in (root fs, ide, ..)
16:52.30mrwick. .and hopefully yaboot.conf doesn't screw up the process, too ! :-))
16:53.01_rene_yaboot.conf doesn't screw up anything. yaboot just boots the kernels and you just add them there.
16:53.11_rene_and run ybin. that was it
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16:55.14mrwick_rene_ : have you never had anything go wrong if you misconfigured yaboot.conf?
16:55.24mrwickif it's not right, then running ybin isn't it
16:55.41mrwick. . but you can always get a shell with the install cd
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16:57.37_rene_mrwick: I never did :-). And you of course have your old kernel still added theer is something goes wrong
16:58.51mrwickheh.. what usually happens is I make-kpkg, install, and then don't check the simlinks to initrd. .
16:58.57mrwick<-- doof! :)
16:59.36_rene_heh, yeah. you of course should check that :)
17:00.00_rene_especially if using make-kpkg since make-kpkg does many stuff automatically which is good in some way
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17:40.05crappledevI have a quickie, what is there to monitor my POP inbox
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17:40.32crappledevI just want it to go out and check every 10 mins and alert me, not download
17:42.15crappledevjust like bbmail, only for gnome
17:43.53crappledevnm, mailcheck should do just fine
17:48.38crappledevor xbiff, or xmailbox, or...
17:54.12mrwickcrappledev : there are so many, it's difficult to choose!
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18:59.17pahello
18:59.22paanyone with maconlinux?
18:59.58_rene_yes
19:00.08_rene_before you ask, yes, doesn't work with Tiger
19:00.50pa_rene_: it works well, but i was unable to get network to work (panther)
19:00.57pai tried sheep driver, and it does not work
19:01.02panow i'm trying with tap
19:01.08pabut i see mol saying:
19:01.10_rene_pa: oh, it does.
19:01.25_rene_what did you set it the network settings?
19:01.27paenet2 write: Connection refused
19:01.29pawell
19:01.41pai add a tap interface with tunctl
19:01.45_rene_you need to set the ip of tunX as router
19:01.55pauhm..
19:01.57pathat is?
19:01.58_rene_pa: you don't need to do that manually. I didn't
19:02.06_rene_pa: uh, look with ifconfig?
19:02.16_rene_then give your mac box that +1
19:02.18pa_rene_: tap, not tun
19:02.25payes i did
19:02.36_rene_and as DNS that from your provider
19:02.40paok
19:02.48_rene_somehow 192.168.41.1 does not work here either
19:02.49pamy problem is that from osX i can't ping host OS
19:02.54pa(linux)
19:02.55_rene_then it should work
19:03.25_rene_works here(tm)
19:03.38_rene_but I've sheep and tun enabled..
19:04.04pai have this set up: tap0 on host OS, tap0 -tap, rwrwrw on /dev/net/tap, and tap0 with 192.168.2.0 (unused subnet)
19:04.29_rene_why don't you use mols default? you don't need to set something extra up iirc
19:05.09paas defaults i have all commented (sheep/tun/tap)
19:05.17pathis in molrc.net
19:05.39_rene_yes. then enable sheep and tun
19:05.54_rene_and then configure the network
19:05.55pabut i haven't a dhcpd on host linux OS
19:05.57_rene_it works then (tm)
19:06.04paok
19:06.05palet me try
19:06.12_rene_you don't need it if you give mac os x the static addresses as above
19:06.32_rene_look in /etc/mol/dhcp-mol for the addresses you need to give it
19:06.51_rene_if your tun device is tun0, get the first, if tun1, the second, etc
19:07.05_rene_and don't take that dns adress (somehow doesn't work) but your providers one
19:08.35pai don't have tun devices: have i to create one?
19:08.43patunctl creates tap devices
19:09.12_rene_you don't. I didn't need to iirc
19:09.21_rene_just start mol.
19:09.44_rene_oh, and iirc you have to tell mol not to try use dhcp
19:10.45_rene_hmm. don't find it. maybe remembering wrong
19:10.52_rene_look in the config files :)
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19:17.59pa_rene_: may my problem is due to the lack of netfilter in kernel?
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21:17.43estragonb'soir
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21:19.21estragonsome one.?
21:22.32estragonnobody?
21:23.16Q-FUNKhm?
21:25.10estragonhello
21:25.40estragoncan may be some one help me with powerpc-utils
21:26.23_rene_then just ask
21:26.40_rene_if someone is here and answers (s)he will do
21:26.54_rene_if not, not. asking if you can ask or whether someone is here is useless :)
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21:30.39assassinestragon: please don't ask about asking
21:32.02estragonhoupp... excuse me but i'm newbe (and french too!)
21:32.18estragonit's regarding the autoreboot function
21:32.25estragoni can't use it
21:34.59estragonis some one using these function of the powerpc-utils pack?
21:37.50assassinpeople leave to quick
21:38.21Q-FUNKyup
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22:13.21sunnanhi, is there one with up-to-date info on how to use external screens on a radeon iBook g4? mirror or double-head, either is fine (prefer double-head, I guess)
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