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| 02:22.29 | xLobeznox | does someone know how to make a hfs+ partition using hformat ? |
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| 04:58.02 | furrywolf_ | have I mentioned I should just give up on #debian? :P |
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| 06:26.52 | simonrvn | yes you have, and i think i will too |
| 06:29.28 | simonrvn | ...or i think i will, then i stay anyway. but i do just shut this down too occasionally |
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| 08:12.48 | patxi | ATI or Nvidia for a new powermac???? |
| 08:14.50 | pahartik | patxi: ATI |
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| 11:53.19 | xLobeznox | hi |
| 11:53.39 | xLobeznox | someone know how to do a hfs+ partition from debian |
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| 12:55.21 | snooo | how does one get a right mouse button working with X when you only have one? |
| 12:55.36 | snooo | have tried the sysctl thing ravenbird suggests but to no success |
| 12:58.50 | snooo | any ideas? |
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| 15:10.55 | Bor_Ed | bioterror__, yer still connected to ircnet too ? |
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| 16:17.14 | BrianHV | what would cause a usb device to be recognized according to /var/log/messages but be inaccessible to userland? |
| 16:17.23 | BrianHV | (griffin iMic, quickcam 4000) |
| 16:18.04 | Bor_Ed | quickcam prolly has only app level drivers (like built in ones on gqcam), dunno about the imic |
| 16:18.14 | BrianHV | no, it's handled by pwc |
| 16:18.55 | Bor_Ed | hmm, it doesn't even create device node for the cam ? |
| 16:18.56 | sabi | hope you're not having the problem i am with my imic. |
| 16:18.57 | BrianHV | the drivers are being loaded properly, but the char device files are giving no such device errors |
| 16:19.00 | BrianHV | nope |
| 16:19.05 | sabi | (only audio out gets recognized, not audio in) |
| 16:19.12 | BrianHV | sabi: I got neither |
| 16:19.23 | BrianHV | hm... which host controller should I be using for the pismo? |
| 16:19.34 | Bor_Ed | you could try to create the device with MAKEDEV or mknod |
| 16:19.46 | BrianHV | Bor_Ed: tried that, too. still no go. |
| 16:19.56 | BrianHV | it seems that 81,0 just isn't being connected to the driver |
| 16:20.02 | Bor_Ed | grmbl... then I'm pretty much clueless on the issue :I |
| 16:20.10 | sabi | hrm, donno, i tried it with a USB cardbus card on my wallstreet |
| 16:20.13 | BrianHV | any clue what modules.conf actually does? |
| 16:20.27 | Bor_Ed | loads the modules mentioned in the file during boot |
| 16:20.44 | BrianHV | that's modules. modules.conf sets up char/driver aliases |
| 16:20.50 | BrianHV | but I don't know when it's loaded |
| 16:21.05 | Bor_Ed | yer right... |
| 16:22.24 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 16:22.40 | BrianHV | eep. note to self: don't install udev without remembering to change the tty paths... |
| 16:23.13 | Bor_Ed | mmm |
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| 16:31.46 | ioops | hi |
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| 17:01.25 | simonrvn | hi |
| 17:02.54 | one_2_one | hi |
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| 17:08.11 | one_2_one | anything new about flash player ? |
| 17:08.46 | Bor_Ed | free one sucks more than before and macromedia made will be released when hell freezes |
| 17:09.04 | Bor_Ed | that's from the news front |
| 17:09.25 | one_2_one | :| |
| 17:10.16 | one_2_one | maybe adobe will suport linux ppc |
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| 17:10.17 | one_2_one | lol |
| 17:10.18 | nu | why the hell do you need flash? |
| 17:10.36 | one_2_one | many pages use flash |
| 17:10.55 | nu | you dont want to visit them if you must have flash for it |
| 17:10.58 | simonrvn | many pages *you* visit maybe ;p |
| 17:11.01 | Bor_Ed | many pr0n sites and trackers use flash |
| 17:11.12 | one_2_one | yes |
| 17:11.16 | one_2_one | ;) |
| 17:11.25 | nu | and its not free, more than evil |
| 17:11.40 | simonrvn | better media exist |
| 17:11.46 | nu | and it eats so much cpu |
| 17:12.08 | Bor_Ed | there's still the thingy on gentoo forum which explains how to get qemu/i386 to run macromedia flash on linux/ppc |
| 17:12.19 | one_2_one | i tried |
| 17:12.24 | one_2_one | that some time ago |
| 17:12.34 | Bor_Ed | I didn't even read that to the end, looked like fraud to me |
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| 17:15.21 | two-face | Hi |
| 17:16.52 | two-face | Any ppc64 porter in here? |
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| 17:34.52 | jacobnix | damog, im jacob |
| 17:35.11 | damog | jacobnix: hi |
| 17:35.16 | jacobnix | damog:from glib |
| 17:36.44 | jacobnix | damog: i was chating in ubuntu channel, but nobody knows to activate the external proyector to ubuntu hoary ppc |
| 17:38.07 | damog | neat |
| 17:45.39 | mirak | what do I need to a vpn between a linux server and a windows 2000 client ? |
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| 18:35.04 | nu | mirak: echan. but you might have a look at openvpn |
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| 19:26.04 | wbx | hi |
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| 19:33.38 | iron_angel | not debian-specific, but someone might know anyway: would a PCI radeon (mac edition) work in a PCI RS/6000 (a ppc604e)? |
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| 20:59.31 | nu | iron_angel: why not? |
| 21:09.33 | iron_angel | That's kinda what I thought... |
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| 21:16.20 | Sphinx_Ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.46 | iron_angel | I've seen that before, on x86 - but I'll be danged if I can remember what was wrong. |
| 21:17.52 | iron_angel | Is it a PCI or AGP card? |
| 21:17.57 | Sphinx_Ra | agp |
| 21:18.22 | iron_angel | Hm. It is running in AGP mode, no? |
| 21:18.39 | iron_angel | I've seen times when X wants to treat an AGP card as PCI, resulting in undue pokiness. |
| 21:18.52 | Sphinx_Ra | what log can i find that? |
| 21:19.07 | iron_angel | /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:19.14 | iron_angel | generally |
| 21:19.31 | iron_angel | Don't have a debian box in front of me just now, it's at work and my sparc no workie :-( |
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| 21:21.14 | Sphinx_Ra | (**) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon 8500 AIW BB (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4242) .................II) RADEON(0): AGP card detected |
| 21:21.14 | Sphinx_Ra | ( |
| 21:22.16 | iron_angel | Look for references to 0x AGP mode, which means it's being used in PCI mode. |
| 21:22.39 | iron_angel | that 'feature' is a workaround for seriously buggy GARTs, but sometimes gets used unnecessarily. |
| 21:24.00 | Sphinx_Ra | (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available |
| 21:24.00 | Sphinx_Ra | (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize -- falling back to PCI mode. |
| 21:24.09 | Sphinx_Ra | Is that what you mean ? |
| 21:24.14 | Sphinx_Ra | :) |
| 21:24.21 | iron_angel | Yep, that's it. |
| 21:24.32 | Sphinx_Ra | and now? |
| 21:24.45 | iron_angel | You need AGPGART support in the kernel... I haven't built a PPC kernel in ages, so I don't know which option it is |
| 21:25.13 | iron_angel | If it's already there and you still have this beef, try a new kernel. |
| 21:25.29 | Sphinx_Ra | Is that possible on pegasos? |
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| 21:25.54 | iron_angel | Hm. Not sure. It is on Macintosh, FWIW |
| 21:26.31 | Sphinx_Ra | can't i modprobe stuff ? |
| 21:26.50 | iron_angel | Yeah, you can, assuming the module is compiled. |
| 21:27.03 | iron_angel | kill X, then try modprobe/insmod agpgart |
| 21:27.16 | demon | make sure that you load agpgart first, if the radeon module is still loaded it won't use agpgart |
| 21:27.33 | iron_angel | Yes, that also, good catch Demon |
| 21:27.37 | Sphinx_Ra | Oke thnx man, ill check it out now |
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| 21:32.21 | Sphinx | What file do i need to edit to modprobe the agpgart on boot up? |
| 21:32.49 | Sphinx | (before radeon) |
| 21:33.51 | iron_angel | /etc/modules.conf, I think. If not, then /etc/init.d/rc.local would do in a pinch |
| 21:36.11 | Sphinx | Oke so i reboot now and let's see then |
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| 21:45.11 | Sphinx_Ra | well...bad luck..the agp is in the kernel but radeon driver still pci mode :( |
| 21:47.24 | iron_angel | Do you have a /dev/agpgart? |
| 21:47.50 | Sphinx_Ra | let see |
| 21:48.29 | Sphinx_Ra | ehhh no.. |
| 21:48.35 | iron_angel | sec |
| 21:48.57 | iron_angel | it's a char special, major 10, minor 175 |
| 21:49.03 | iron_angel | use mknod to create it. |
| 21:49.18 | iron_angel | unless you're using devfs, then something's kinda vaguely weirdish |
| 21:49.37 | Sphinx_Ra | can you please give a example of the commandline ? |
| 21:49.48 | iron_angel | sec |
| 21:50.18 | iron_angel | mknod /dev/agpgard b 10 175 |
| 21:50.28 | iron_angel | s/agpgard/agpgart/ |
| 21:51.28 | Sphinx_Ra | Ok did that |
| 21:51.51 | iron_angel | Ok, kill x, rmmod radeon, rmmod agpgart, insmod agpgart, insmod radeon, startx |
| 21:52.28 | Sphinx_Ra | oke BRB |
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| 21:57.53 | Sphinx | could you plz paste the last lin plz |
| 21:58.01 | Sphinx | sorry... |
| 21:58.14 | Sphinx | misundertooded... :( |
| 21:58.28 | iron_angel | d'oh :-/ |
| 21:58.44 | iron_angel | AARGH, I HATE BUGS! |
| 21:58.52 | Sphinx | me to ;) |
| 21:59.30 | iron_angel | Parted on SPARC keeps eating my partition tables, so I can't make my SPARC 20 useful. Guess I'll have to partition under Solaris, feh... |
| 21:59.42 | iron_angel | Wrong channel, I know - but still :-( |
| 22:00.07 | Sphinx | so oke i need to kill x and reload my modules, |
| 22:00.25 | Sphinx | what are the commands again ? |
| 22:01.02 | iron_angel | rmmod radeon; rmmod agpgart; sleep 5; insmod agpgart; insmod radeon |
| 22:01.21 | theorbtwo | Hi, all. Sorry this doesn't have anything to do with debian, but I'm trying to bootstrap a beige g3 from a Jaguar CD, and not having much luck. |
| 22:01.30 | theorbtwo | Those should probably be modprobes, not insmods. |
| 22:01.50 | iron_angel | Yeah. Though you can probably get away with either |
| 22:02.15 | iron_angel | Hmm.... Funny you'd ask about OSX, I just got done installing Panther on an 8600. |
| 22:02.28 | iron_angel | (Yes, I know. But XPostFacto rocks :-) |
| 22:02.46 | theorbtwo | I'd appreciate it if you guys could help me through from step 1, under the assumption that I'm a PC man, and know fairly little about macs. |
| 22:03.01 | theorbtwo | (An assumption which is quite true. |
| 22:03.13 | iron_angel | Ok, stick the Jaguar CD in, and reboot while holding C |
| 22:03.31 | iron_angel | Failing that, you'll have to kick off the install from OS 9, I think. |
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| 22:04.05 | theorbtwo | Done. |
| 22:04.23 | theorbtwo | It does not appear to be accessing the cdrom. |
| 22:04.47 | theorbtwo | How long should I need to wait before seeing anything? |
| 22:05.33 | iron_angel | Hmm... Sometimes it takes my 8600 as much as a minute to initialize the video. |
| 22:05.48 | theorbtwo | Note that this machine was built from a mobo. |
| 22:06.12 | theorbtwo | Well, it's been three now. |
| 22:06.12 | iron_angel | If you're trying to drop into OpenFirmware, note that a great many Old World Macs default to a serial console. |
| 22:06.24 | iron_angel | Hmm. And still no video at all? |
| 22:06.24 | theorbtwo | It doesn't; I've gotten into OF before. |
| 22:06.41 | theorbtwo | No, I've got the black-and-white screen, rounded corners, mouse cursor, nothing else. |
| 22:06.57 | theorbtwo | Of course, only after I wired up a serial console. |
| 22:07.14 | iron_angel | Hm. looks like it's trying to boot OS9, but there's no OS there. |
| 22:07.34 | iron_angel | You might be able to manually boot the CD from OF |
| 22:07.34 | theorbtwo | There's not even a mac partition table on that drive. |
| 22:07.42 | theorbtwo | Do you know how? |
| 22:08.42 | theorbtwo | It's not a mac hdd or cdrom, or even a mac speaker (which means that I can't hear anything over the fan). |
| 22:09.04 | iron_angel | Hm. boot cdrom actually might do the trick. I'm no OF mage, though. |
| 22:09.18 | iron_angel | And the OF I have mucked with the most is on RS/6000, not Mac :-( |
| 22:09.55 | iron_angel | Non-mac HD and CD is no problem. I have a generic Plextor SCSI CD and an IBM disk that came out of a Sun in mine. |
| 22:10.10 | theorbtwo | Both are IDE. |
| 22:10.36 | iron_angel | Still unlikely to be a problem. |
| 22:12.25 | theorbtwo | Aaah, finally got it, and castaway found me a decent page on OF. |
| 22:12.29 | theorbtwo | (Give me the URL, hun?) |
| 22:12.38 | castaway | http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/osx/arch_boot.html |
| 22:12.54 | theorbtwo | It gave me a default catch message on the start of OF, though, which feels bad.) |
| 22:16.55 | theorbtwo | Boot ide0 and boot ide1 both give me default catches as well. |
| 22:17.23 | theorbtwo | I can try getting an OS 9 CD, but it'll take me several days. |
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| 22:17.40 | theorbtwo | And I'm really not all too sure that'll help. |
| 22:19.19 | theorbtwo | Someone suggested that I dd the CD image onto the hard drive, which sounded pretty insane to me. Is this a valid thing to attempt to do? |
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| 22:20.25 | iron_angel | It might work |
| 22:20.53 | iron_angel | Even if it does, you'll probably have to do some serious ad-hackery to get things permanently working that way. |
| 22:21.02 | Sphinx | iron_angel: well........thx for helping but i tryd but still pci mode :( |
| 22:21.21 | theorbtwo | Once I get to a UNIX, I can possibly deal with serious ad-hackery. |
| 22:21.52 | iron_angel | Nuts. Hey, just for kicks, what kind of kernel messages do you get when you insmod agpgart? |
| 22:22.07 | iron_angel | Something tells me support for your mobo chipset isn't compiled in, or is buggy. |
| 22:22.12 | theorbtwo | I just feel like I'm flying blind at this stage -- I can't find any really good docs on OF, and the normal way of doing things gives me no feedback whatsoever. |
| 22:23.23 | iron_angel | theorbtwo: did you try zapping the PRAM, by any chance? (boot with cmd-opt-p-r held) |
| 22:23.48 | Sphinx | i use modprobe, insmod gives errors on both radeon and agpgart |
| 22:23.57 | theorbtwo | I did, but will try again. |
| 22:24.15 | iron_angel | Ok, modprobe then :-) |
| 22:24.23 | theorbtwo | (Why do Mac people always say cmd-opt instead of alt-apple?) |
| 22:24.33 | Sphinx | I get init messages.. sec |
| 22:24.39 | iron_angel | any messages in the dmesg output? |
| 22:25.15 | iron_angel | theorbtwo: well, older keyboards don't have an alt (or rather, it's only marked 'option), and I'm not sure why it's cmd vice apple. |
| 22:25.25 | iron_angel | Except that NeXT boxen also had a command key. |
| 22:25.33 | Sphinx | Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones |
| 22:25.47 | iron_angel | But that convention predates OSX, and probably NeXTSTEP as well |
| 22:26.01 | theorbtwo | I thought older keyboards didn't have the key marked with anything but a strange symbol. |
| 22:26.20 | theorbtwo | Anyway, this keyboard is from '98, and says "alt", so they've been marked that way for a good long time. |
| 22:26.24 | iron_angel | sphinx: hmm... Seems to me something's not fully initializing. |
| 22:26.54 | iron_angel | theorbtwo: yeah, pretty much all powermac and most quadra keyboards had that. Mac classics and such often didn't. |
| 22:27.33 | Sphinx | I'm afraid it got something to do with pegasos and sven luthor :) |
| 22:27.36 | iron_angel | grr, 128k is too slow :-( |
| 22:28.07 | Sphinx | [drm] Initialized radeon 1.11.0 20020828 on minor 0: ATI Technologies Inc RV280[Radeon 9200 SE] |
| 22:28.16 | iron_angel | Sphinx: It could be that DRI doesn't fully work on Pegasos, and it's just the similarity between that and Mac that makes it do anything useful at all |
| 22:28.46 | iron_angel | meh, downloading OSX 10.3.9 is going to take all bloody night. FEH! |
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| 22:29.00 | Sphinx | could.t you come here and fix it ?? :P |
| 22:29.24 | Sphinx | svenl: yoooeehoooeeee |
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| 22:36.27 | Sphinx | bye |
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| 23:23.52 | militant- | ok, from the chanserv notice... i take it that it'd be a pain to install on a g3? |
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| 23:27.20 | simonrvn | beige g3 yes. doable though. it's the booting bit that can be hard |
| 23:28.06 | militant- | beige g3... ok, i'm not a mac person. i was just given a stack of macs of various models. is 'beige g3' the plain old regular 266mhz one? |
| 23:30.10 | militant- | basically what it comes down to is that i have 5 or 6 old macs... 840av, 7100, 7200, g3, etc. and i HATE macOS, and would very much like to set up *some* form of *nix on one or more of them, to stick in the closet, to carry the load of apache and sendmail, so it's not bogging down my main machine |
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