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| 00:24.59 | skel_home | so anyone on the globus deb source? |
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| 00:57.18 | denken | whats the proper boot-file for OF again? dont you just point it to first.b and quik handles the rest? |
| 00:57.30 | denken | simonrvn knows, im sure of it :D |
| 00:57.54 | simonrvn | default is "", you can put "Linux" - some machines necessary, some not. |
| 00:58.48 | denken | mkay so boot-file should be an empty string |
| 00:58.54 | denken | thank you |
| 01:02.12 | halo | Is anyone here familiar with setting up X windowing system with the radeon 9200 on the newer powerbook? |
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| 01:02.51 | halo | *ibook, not powerbook |
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| 01:03.16 | simonrvn | halo: don't /msg me please |
| 01:05.40 | halo | anyone? |
| 01:05.53 | simonrvn | halo: dunno much, but i do know you need ati driver, the rest the mouse is at /dev/input/mice, and video sync just choose simple. other than that, if it still doesn't work, google search for a config |
| 01:06.09 | simonrvn | could try dotfiles.com too |
| 01:06.33 | halo | LOL, i've been googling for the last 6 hours trying to get my display to work |
| 01:07.07 | simonrvn | search engine searches are a quasi-art form |
| 01:07.16 | chrisa | um |
| 01:07.24 | simonrvn | keep it to keywords. simple really |
| 01:07.27 | chrisa | There are a million X configs online for ibook g4s with 9200 cards |
| 01:08.08 | halo | i noticed. And all of them differ somewhat and don't provide clear enough documenation for a new user. |
| 01:08.37 | denken | there is also a lot of info on the debian-powerpc mailing lists |
| 01:08.49 | simonrvn | i have 2 hits for the ML alone |
| 01:08.55 | chrisa | Make sure you have Xfree 4.3 or Xorg, have dri for radeon in the kernel (or module) with agppart, use the config |
| 01:08.59 | chrisa | Done |
| 01:09.33 | denken | halo: just be happy your not using an old-world mac :D |
| 01:09.36 | chrisa | You whippersnappers have it easy, why back when I bought my ibook g4 we didn't have newfangled info sources for it on google or MLs! |
| 01:09.52 | chrisa | We had to test everything by HAND! UPHILL! IN SNOW! |
| 01:10.02 | simonrvn | or funky oldworld h/w |
| 01:10.24 | denken | simonrvn: like this power computing powercenter pro in the corner? :) |
| 01:10.28 | denken | thats for a rainy day |
| 01:10.34 | simonrvn | chrisa: i actually had to do that with my 13" trinitron |
| 01:11.08 | simonrvn | nah, my power tower pro i just took out the ims tin turbo and put in my ati lt pro |
| 01:11.12 | simonrvn | twin* |
| 01:11.15 | halo | I'm sorry for being so annoying chrisa; could you repeat that in english? |
| 01:11.16 | chrisa | simonrvn: So did I when the ibg4s came out, check your irc archives ;) |
| 01:11.23 | denken | btw if any of you guys are feeling especially brave, packages.pixelchaos.net |
| 01:11.30 | simonrvn | chrisa: no doubt ;) |
| 01:12.06 | simonrvn | and if some of you want to test out netatalk 2, my site has 'em. while we're doing the plugging thing |
| 01:12.37 | skel_home | anyone know when debian will include x.org's X11 ? |
| 01:12.43 | simonrvn | WIR |
| 01:13.05 | denken | skel_home: i think the main thing we are waiting on is modularization of the source tree |
| 01:13.14 | denken | simonrvn: linky? |
| 01:13.18 | skel_home | denken: ok |
| 01:13.22 | skel_home | denken: ty |
| 01:13.34 | simonrvn | w00t fixed up quik sources. gotta test them |
| 01:13.54 | skel_home | I need a haircut |
| 01:13.59 | skel_home | all of them actually |
| 01:14.14 | skel_home | gah bummage.. ag failed |
| 01:14.30 | skel_home | have any of you messed around with accessgrid? |
| 01:14.38 | skel_home | I've got it on my x86 box at work |
| 01:14.38 | skel_home | ot |
| 01:14.40 | skel_home | err |
| 01:14.45 | skel_home | it's pretty neat |
| 01:15.09 | skel_home | video/audio conferencing with shared applications through IP multi-casting |
| 01:15.39 | skel_home | all opensource |
| 01:16.05 | simonrvn | neat |
| 01:17.13 | skel_home | yea a bunch of universities and intitutions participate and are involved |
| 01:18.30 | skel_home | there's a presentation on Unified Parallel C programming on Nov. 30 and Dec 1 |
| 01:22.43 | denken | simonrvn: http://simonraven.nuit.ca/macppc/models.shtml#g3v1 - you added "not necessary"... meaning i assume that System Disk isnt required, you can just fondle OF directly and get the machine to boot? |
| 01:23.06 | simonrvn | you assume correctly |
| 01:23.19 | denken | thank you |
| 01:23.36 | simonrvn | the wiki one is slightly more up to date: http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Know/MacModels |
| 01:24.57 | denken | nice. thanks |
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| 01:39.37 | denken | does quik have to have properly setup the boot blocks on the hard drive for the OF boot method to work? |
| 01:39.53 | denken | im pretty damn sure ive got everything right but she isnt cooperating |
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| 01:47.48 | simonrvn | you need to run it whenever there's a change |
| 01:49.32 | denken | right. im just not sure that the initial install ran it properly... i used bootx to get the cd install running (sarge weekly build) and it did everything right (even set OF boot-device) but i still get problems with /pci/mac-io/ide@20000/ata-disk@0:0 |
| 01:49.47 | denken | i just booted single user mode with bootx and am re running quik now |
| 01:52.39 | denken | hmm yup. "can't OPEN: <above mentioned device>" |
| 01:53.32 | denken | i even booted single user from bootx and check /proc/device-tree/pci/mac-io/etc/etc/etc to make sure the drive is there |
| 01:53.36 | denken | weird |
| 01:54.02 | simonrvn | um, what box is this? |
| 01:54.28 | denken | beige g3 rev1 w/OF 2.0f1 |
| 01:54.59 | simonrvn | um did you happen to read the thing about IDE drives? |
| 01:55.08 | denken | yes |
| 01:55.17 | simonrvn | and it worked before? |
| 01:55.24 | denken | yep |
| 01:55.32 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:55.35 | denken | had it running for months |
| 01:56.41 | farruinn | since when did quik start supporting beige g3's? |
| 01:57.00 | simonrvn | on some of them partially. they're very finicky |
| 01:57.15 | simonrvn | and the rare one that does work |
| 01:57.33 | farruinn | huh, didn't know that any of them worked - I've always just used bootx |
| 01:58.30 | denken | life is so much easier on the powerbook g4 :) |
| 02:03.29 | chrisa | denken: Sure, assuming you bought one with an ATI |
| 02:03.39 | chrisa | and assuming it supports the Airport card types |
| 02:03.53 | denken | no and no :P but its STILL easier |
| 02:03.55 | denken | hehe |
| 02:04.04 | chrisa | hah, you're screwed in general :) |
| 02:04.09 | chrisa | No AE, no sleep |
| 02:04.22 | denken | no backlight control that ive found as of yet either :P |
| 02:04.30 | chrisa | ew |
| 02:04.38 | denken | meh |
| 02:05.40 | chrisa | hrm, I can't recall. If I build CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE into the kernel will my cpu be scaled to the lowest possible setting by default? |
| 02:06.06 | denken | i made the same mistake with my radeon AIW 8500DV |
| 02:09.45 | chrisa | hrm, damn. With the powersave governor loaded my cpu still runs at max |
| 02:10.28 | farruinn | wow, did you compile that quickly? |
| 02:10.55 | chrisa | Most of the objects were cached |
| 02:11.11 | farruinn | oh ok, I was getting extremely jealous |
| 02:11.13 | chrisa | So in this case a full recompile was unnecessary |
| 02:12.42 | simonrvn | farruinn: ccache |
| 02:13.20 | chrisa | simonrvn: in this case yes, but in a lot of cases you're ok with even the objects left over from a normal compile |
| 02:13.26 | chrisa | Since it'll rebuild any that change |
| 02:13.34 | chrisa | ymmv |
| 02:13.56 | chrisa | aha! Got it |
| 02:14.01 | simonrvn | i do that. works ok |
| 02:14.47 | chrisa | echo 'powersave' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 02:15.16 | simonrvn | "use the source, luke" ;) |
| 02:15.40 | chrisa | Now I need to remember how to set sysfs vars on boot |
| 02:17.14 | simonrvn | chrisa: is there a sysctl type thing for sysfs? |
| 02:17.45 | chrisa | simonrvn: That's what I'm checking for, it was my first guess ;) |
| 02:17.56 | simonrvn | heh |
| 02:18.34 | simonrvn | still having this heat issue grrr |
| 02:18.53 | simonrvn | 35-37 C |
| 02:30.17 | halo | I'm going through the ibook setup step by step untill i get to this part: http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto-5.html#ss5.2 |
| 02:30.40 | halo | all i get is a message saying i already have the newest version |
| 02:30.46 | halo | any clues? |
| 02:31.13 | chrisa | oh, his howto is terribly out of date |
| 02:31.19 | chrisa | Painfully even |
| 02:31.23 | chrisa | What's the problem right now? |
| 02:31.30 | halo | LOL |
| 02:31.48 | halo | how many more hours am i gonna kill??? |
| 02:32.15 | halo | anyways... I get a message saying that xserver-xfree86 is already the newest version |
| 02:32.25 | chrisa | Are you running sid, or sarge? |
| 02:33.24 | halo | sid, i believe |
| 02:33.32 | denken | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:33.56 | chrisa | Your X version is fine then |
| 02:34.04 | halo | 3.0 |
| 02:34.22 | chrisa | I wonder if I have my linux. subdomain up still |
| 02:34.27 | chrisa | hey, I do |
| 02:35.44 | chrisa | http://linux.nullcode.org/ibook%20g4/XF86Config-4.yarou |
| 02:35.46 | chrisa | You want that |
| 02:35.58 | chrisa | Everything else in that directory is out of date |
| 02:36.18 | chrisa | Basically, make sure these are built into the kernel: DRI (Radeon), Agppart support, uninorth agp support |
| 02:36.28 | chrisa | You can use modules if you wish, I just don't |
| 02:36.35 | halo | thanks for the link |
| 02:37.21 | simonrvn | 3.0 is woody |
| 02:37.44 | halo | that it is |
| 02:38.02 | simonrvn | upgrade to sarge. it *will* work |
| 02:38.19 | chrisa | oh god, woody |
| 02:38.33 | chrisa | Yes, you're screwed with woody's X version unless you get a backport |
| 02:38.46 | halo | *starts crying* |
| 02:39.18 | halo | where's a good place to start on documentation for upgrading to woody? |
| 02:39.35 | halo | *err sarge |
| 02:42.35 | simonrvn | ravenbird: woody->sarge |
| 02:42.38 | ravenbird | rumour has it, woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge", or "testing". testing *is* sarge currently.. Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". |
| 02:45.44 | jnc | ravenbird: man->woman |
| 02:45.45 | ravenbird | jnc: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:46.21 | halo | ravenbird, seems to be working... |
| 02:46.22 | ravenbird | halo: PEBKAC error, or Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. |
| 02:47.46 | farruinn | lol, how clever |
| 02:48.14 | chrisa | simonrvn: I protest the sarge factoid, that should be dselect-upgrade |
| 02:48.15 | chrisa | Much cleaner |
| 02:48.28 | halo | not exactly fair either. I am using this IRC channel as a last resort instead of just comming here and expect answers |
| 02:48.46 | chrisa | halo: ravenbird is a bot |
| 02:48.49 | chrisa | You triggered a reply |
| 02:48.52 | halo | oh |
| 02:50.07 | halo | but thank you simon and chrisa, hope this helps |
| 02:53.15 | simonrvn | chrisa: yeh, i agree |
| 02:53.40 | simonrvn | ravenbird: woody->sarge =~ s/dist-/dselect-/ |
| 02:53.41 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
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