| 00:02.01 | newbie1 | if you want, meanwhile you can help me little to install the soundcard. I's a soundblaster live 4670. I installed the module in the kernel with modconf, installed ALSA, soundcard was detected but i dont get any sound.. |
| 00:02.01 | newbie1 | :-) |
| 00:02.46 | simonrvn | did you remove the oss drivers first? |
| 00:03.12 | simonrvn | and alsa is muted by default. you'll need to turn up the volume |
| 00:04.37 | newbie1 | mmh don't think a did, if dselect didn it by itself. but i think the oss drivers werent ever installed |
| 00:05.29 | simonrvn | dselect wouldn't do that, modprobe -r would, or modconf |
| 00:05.59 | newbie1 | is oss system better then alsa? I tried to install the soundcard as described on debian insall docs and manual. |
| 00:06.53 | simonrvn | on ppc macs alsa usually sounds better |
| 00:07.24 | newbie1 | ...and there its descrived with alsa.. |
| 00:07.41 | newbie1 | ups..sorry. |
| 00:08.39 | newbie1 | then i will hold alsa. modprobe doesnt find emu10k1 even if its instaled in kerne :-0 how comes? |
| 00:08.54 | simonrvn | use modconf |
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| 00:16.15 | newbie1 | simonrvn: i reinstalled the module in kernel but it still doesn t work..maybe i have to log out and login again.meanwhile the update is done. but i still cant install libgtk2.0-bin |
| 00:16.50 | newbie1 | it gives me the same error code than before. |
| 00:17.04 | simonrvn | no you don't have to logout/login. paste your sources.list again in #flood |
| 00:18.01 | newbie1 | ok |
| 00:19.06 | newbie1 | done |
| 00:19.35 | simonrvn | um, are you sure you want to move from woody to sarge? |
| 00:19.43 | simonrvn | (stable to testing) |
| 00:22.12 | newbie1 | of course. woody is so slow and i shot the system 4 times trying to install mozilla 1.6 or 1.7 there where so many libs to update that i finally decidet to use sarge.. |
| 00:22.35 | chrisa | 'woody is so slow' |
| 00:22.37 | chrisa | eh? |
| 00:23.14 | thebug | n00b |
| 00:23.31 | newbie1 | don't know on my machine i got a real performance hub with sarge at leas the gui is much faster.. |
| 00:23.34 | newbie1 | :-) |
| 00:24.09 | simonrvn | uh, yeh, right. whatever |
| 00:24.35 | thebug | I'm sure you did some wild juju with the kernel that made it fast++ too |
| 00:25.52 | newbie1 | even openoffice respnses faster. anyways. needed mozilla >=1.6. Do you have an idea how to nstall those libgtk2.0-x11...? |
| 00:26.35 | thebug | very carefully |
| 00:26.49 | simonrvn | if that's your only source, it should be installable |
| 00:27.04 | chrisa | eh? Isn't mozilla 1.7 in sarge? |
| 00:27.19 | simonrvn | dunno |
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| 00:27.35 | newbie1 | no it seems to be 1.6.5.. |
| 00:27.42 | thebug | 1.7.3 in sid |
| 00:28.00 | chrisa | ok, then why are you worrying about >=1.6? Sarge already has it |
| 00:28.07 | thebug | and firefox 0.9.3 in sid |
| 00:28.14 | newbie1 | is sid =~ unstable |
| 00:28.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:30.39 | newbie1 | chrisa: because I can't manage to install it. mozilla depend on libgtz2.0(bin|-common|-0) which depends on libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0...sob! |
| 00:31.13 | newbie1 | ups! libgtz=ligtk |
| 00:31.35 | simonrvn | you still have mozilla partially installed from sid, and have yet to --purge that version. |
| 00:32.35 | newbie1 | i tried that mozilla is "purged" with dselect |
| 00:33.03 | simonrvn | don't try, do |
| 00:35.39 | newbie1 | :-) do you mean I should do it again with apt-get --purge? isnt it the same to do "_" in deselect? |
| 00:38.28 | simonrvn | yes it is the same. is it really purged? |
| 00:39.21 | simonrvn | and since you changed your sources.list, did you run the upgrade? |
| 00:40.18 | simonrvn | you have to run the upgrade if you want to change to sarge, otherwise things will break. and i recommend that you stay with with sarge until you get more used to the package mgt. tools |
| 00:40.36 | newbie1 | both yes. Or is there another way to control that it's really purged? I looked again in dselect. |
| 00:41.25 | simonrvn | did the upgrade complete? that's gonna take a while to finish on non-dsl/cable |
| 00:41.52 | simonrvn | run it from dselect / aptitude, easier, and the deps are better handled |
| 00:41.54 | newbie1 | I'm on sarge now. Woody was till yesterday. :-) |
| 00:44.38 | newbie1 | I made the upgrad yesterday till this morning. i practically installed a new system on a new HD starting from a clean Woody installed CD. the upgrade takes about 2 hours 650.3 MB but i made the download with dsl at a friend of mine |
| 00:53.40 | newbie1 | simonrvn: I purged all again. made apt-get upgrade again (now it downladed 2 new packages libcupsys2-gnutls10 1.1.20final+rc1-7 and librra0 0.9.0-1) and apt-get install libgtk2.0-bin again. I posted the error msg in #flood :-/ I dont know what to do anymore now.. |
| 00:53.59 | simonrvn | what error? |
| 00:54.43 | newbie1 | just posted |
| 00:55.08 | simonrvn | apt-get install reportbug |
| 00:55.34 | simonrvn | then reporbug --config, and report that as a bug on libgtk2.0-bin |
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| 01:15.29 | newbie1 | simonrvn: thanks for your help. I sent the bugreport. I will try to install the "unstable" release of the library.but first i think i m going to have some sleep now. I hope to get it work. thx again. :-) bye! |
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| 01:32.39 | thebug | isn't there a factiod that basically yells something about not mixing releases? |
| 01:32.43 | thebug | hmm |
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| 01:39.06 | pahartik | thebug: mixed stable, testing and unstable has worked fine for me... but one has to understand that installing something as important as "libc6" from unstable might break everything instantly |
| 01:39.34 | thebug | I can't stress how highly that is suggested against |
| 01:39.53 | adhoc | pahartik: yeah doing that broke my sparc install horribly =( |
| 01:39.54 | thebug | s/stress/stress enough/ |
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| 01:49.38 | mehul | I'm trying to get my 2nd network interface on G3 B&W (the builtin BMAC one) |
| 01:49.47 | mehul | to get inserted when the system starts up |
| 01:49.52 | mehul | how do I go about doing that ? |
| 01:50.18 | mehul | Setting things up in /etc/network/interface does not work as it says the interface is unknown. |
| 01:50.18 | adhoc | whats the name of the module for the NIC ? |
| 01:50.24 | mehul | its bmac |
| 01:50.38 | adhoc | have a look in your /etc/modules ... |
| 01:50.49 | adhoc | is it in there? |
| 01:51.21 | mehul | nope .. |
| 01:51.56 | adhoc | perhaps if you add and entry at the end, and reboot ... ? |
| 01:52.18 | mehul | i was getting confused between /etc/modules.conf /etc/modprobe.d /etc/modutils .. too many places that all seem similar .. i'll give it a whirl in /etc/modules ... |
| 01:52.27 | adhoc | i'm not sure if theres a man page for it, but theres info on the net for what should and shouldn't go ion there... |
| 01:52.46 | adhoc | but thats where i put the module names for the NICs that i need loaded at boot time. |
| 01:52.47 | mehul | I'll give it a spin see what happens .. thanks .. brb .. |
| 01:52.53 | adhoc | mehul: one thing |
| 01:52.57 | mehul | yes ? |
| 01:53.13 | adhoc | you can tie the "eth1" or "eth0" to a particular module |
| 01:53.23 | adhoc | if you need them to load in a particular order |
| 01:53.27 | adhoc | do you nee dthat? |
| 01:53.29 | mehul | where do i do that ? |
| 01:53.49 | mehul | yes .. this way i can always be sure which interface is outside connection and which is inside .. |
| 01:53.57 | mehul | would help with the firewalling I would think .. |
| 01:54.23 | mehul | I'd rather have it explicitly setup then let it be done implicitly .. |
| 01:54.42 | adhoc | ok in /etc/modutils/alias |
| 01:54.55 | adhoc | add and entry for each NIC you need; |
| 01:55.14 | adhoc | like; alias eth0 e1000 |
| 01:55.20 | adhoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.22 | adhoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.42 | adhoc | you can also put options in there if you need to force to be half-duplex and stuff ... |
| 01:56.17 | mehul | excellent .. |
| 01:56.47 | adhoc | then you need to run 'update-modules' .. |
| 01:57.01 | adhoc | you will need to check the syntax, |
| 01:57.10 | adhoc | its been a while since i've set that up.. |
| 01:57.17 | mehul | I have a PCI card which sems to have a 3c59x in it .. and that gets autodetected, but it stops and doesn't detect the bmac. if I take out the PCI nic .. then the bmac gets recognised .. |
| 01:57.28 | mehul | I'll check it out .. |
| 01:58.12 | mehul | Just one more thing ... do you know if anyone uses ADB keybaord and mouse with G3 B&W ? |
| 01:58.46 | thebug | certainly, though I use a 3-button USB mouse instead of the ADB one-button thinger |
| 01:59.20 | mehul | thats my main reason for wanting to move to USB .. a 3 button mouse .. finally .. after all these years .. lol |
| 02:00.01 | mehul | all right ... let me go try out the stuff adhoc suggested ... |
| 02:00.07 | mehul | be back in a bit .. |
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| 02:40.07 | mehul | adhoc: the idea for putting the module i want loaded into /etc/modules seems to have worked. |
| 02:40.30 | mehul | the aliasing thing did not work though. |
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| 02:56.18 | irCAT | can anyone help me copy my Linux kernel to my Mac hfs? |
| 03:04.09 | Rn | erm |
| 03:04.23 | Rn | mount -t hfs /device /mnt/blah |
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| 05:52.02 | irCAT | any one? |
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| 06:15.33 | simonrvn | irCAT: read what was said 3 hours ago |
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| 07:08.39 | gallus | hi |
| 07:09.29 | simonrvn | hi |
| 07:09.55 | gallus | simonrvn: do you use Debian on Mac? |
| 07:10.04 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:10.16 | simonrvn | i wouldn't be here otherwise ;) |
| 07:10.32 | gallus | do you have a Powerbook G4? |
| 07:10.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:10.47 | gallus | G5? |
| 07:10.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:11.21 | gallus | well i'd like to install debian on powerbook g4 |
| 07:11.39 | gallus | but i'd like to prepare a all in one system |
| 07:11.45 | simonrvn | so burn a sarge cd and install it |
| 07:12.05 | gallus | Mac OS X Debian and Windows (for my job) |
| 07:12.22 | gallus | is it possible to install Windows under Debian on PPC |
| 07:12.46 | simonrvn | only under emulation |
| 07:12.56 | gallus | does exist something like vmware for debian ppc? |
| 07:13.04 | hoytt | no |
| 07:13.10 | simonrvn | not at all |
| 07:13.14 | hoytt | because vm is a virtual machine |
| 07:13.17 | hoytt | not an emulator |
| 07:13.41 | gallus | i know Virtual PC but it's work only with Mac OS X |
| 07:14.12 | gallus | hoytt: to "emulate" i use wine |
| 07:14.15 | hoytt | there's qemu |
| 07:14.39 | hoytt | I use it to run the X86 linux neverwinter nights server on Debian PPC |
| 07:16.31 | jrr | hoytt: how's that run? |
| 07:16.40 | jrr | crossing cpu architecture can't be too speedy |
| 07:17.19 | hoytt | it isn't |
| 07:17.21 | hoytt | but it works |
| 07:17.26 | gallus | jrr: i know but i'm not looking for speed |
| 07:17.31 | hoytt | I haven't run any benchmarks |
| 07:18.06 | gallus | hoytt: good qemu is probably what i was looking for |
| 07:19.11 | gallus | is it qemu Open? |
| 07:20.54 | gallus | yes it is |
| 07:32.25 | gallus | perfect |
| 07:32.37 | gallus | hoytt: thank you very much |
| 07:32.46 | gallus | see you soon |
| 07:32.48 | gallus | bye |
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| 08:43.09 | itom | hi all |
| 08:43.19 | itom | you know if possible to install linux in a old mac 4400/200? |
| 08:46.15 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 08:46.19 | Bor_Ed | runs just fine |
| 08:47.05 | itom | great :) |
| 08:47.22 | Bor_Ed | I installed woody and dist-upgraded to sid after baseinstall |
| 08:47.22 | itom | now I must download a stable powerpc debian cd? |
| 08:47.40 | Bor_Ed | 2 floppy images will do... boot-hfs.img and root.bin |
| 08:48.13 | itom | ah with floppy to a net installation? |
| 08:48.19 | Bor_Ed | yea |
| 08:48.42 | itom | I've installed with this method varoius pc with sarge and work great! |
| 08:48.45 | itom | (old pc) |
| 08:49.08 | itom | but with power pc I'm lost; I don't know mac world |
| 08:49.29 | Bor_Ed | pretty much the same as peecees |
| 08:50.38 | itom | Bor_Ed, ok now I must download only two floppy? wihtout the net-drivers? |
| 08:51.20 | Bor_Ed | 2 floppies has the kernel and initrd (including mace driver and so on) |
| 08:53.12 | itom | Bor_Ed, in this place how I must download of floppy? |
| 08:53.13 | itom | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/rc1/images/ |
| 08:53.56 | Bor_Ed | I downloaded mine from stable tree |
| 08:54.24 | itom | powerpc-small/floppy |
| 08:54.37 | Bor_Ed | probably that'll do |
| 08:55.01 | itom | I try with it; If I fail I download woody floppy |
| 08:55.05 | itom | mmh |
| 08:55.15 | itom | I donwload both woody and sarge now :) |
| 08:55.28 | Bor_Ed | ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-powerpc/current/powermac/images-1.44/ are what I used |
| 09:00.23 | itom | Bor_Ed, thanks for the tips |
| 09:00.35 | Bor_Ed | np |
| 09:06.42 | adhoc | Bor_Ed: hey you know is the 7200 is in the same boat ? |
| 09:07.04 | adhoc | just landed a stack of 7200s, 6360s and 5260s |
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| 09:15.49 | Bor_Ed | 7200 is a bit different but runs ok too |
| 09:16.10 | Bor_Ed | I used to have 7200/90 too, nowadays have 8200/120 (same logic board) |
| 09:18.03 | adhoc | Bor_Ed: cheers =) i'll give it a craik tonight =) |
| 09:18.15 | Bor_Ed | hehe |
| 09:18.20 | adhoc | then the IBM powerpc i have stashed under the 5200s ;) |
| 09:18.41 | adhoc | shame the RS6000s i have wont run linux =( |
| 09:18.52 | Bor_Ed | not sure about 5200's... could be nubus macs (http://nubus-pmac.sf.net) |
| 09:19.36 | adhoc | Bor_Ed: yeah, but there has been a recent code-a-thon to get them running, i'll get to them later =) |
| 09:19.50 | adhoc | the 7200s are a tad more useful right now =) |
| 09:20.01 | adhoc | need to get my dnetc stats up ;) |
| 09:20.05 | Bor_Ed | 7200 is ok... I had mine as desktop/server |
| 09:20.28 | adhoc | Bor_Ed: thats the idea, name server, web server, cvs server ... one service on each box |
| 09:21.01 | adhoc | has a proper NIC and behaves properly on the network unlike the SE/30s i have =/ |
| 09:21.13 | adhoc | anyhow, gotta run =) nice talken to you... |
| 09:21.14 | Bor_Ed | hmm, my 8200/120 currently handles, nat, fw, mta, ssh, ftp and what all as well as several shell accounts |
| 09:21.29 | adhoc | =) noice |
| 09:21.40 | adhoc | you run deiban/sid? |
| 09:21.44 | Bor_Ed | yup |
| 09:22.12 | adhoc | hmmm ... im thining about running debian/sarge to stay in line with all the other desktop gear i have at home and here at work ... |
| 09:22.42 | Bor_Ed | I've got all deb boxes running sid here |
| 09:22.51 | adhoc | ah ok ... cool |
| 09:22.57 | adhoc | any how gotta run ... byeeee |
| 09:23.34 | Bor_Ed | later |
| 09:33.08 | Q-FUNK | hm |
| 09:42.09 | pahartik | who has used "jigdo-lite"? |
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| 09:43.35 | pahartik | after telling it to use "Debian mirror [ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/]", it quits with "File `jigdotemplates/sarge-powerpc-1.template' does not exist!" |
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| 09:44.43 | ioops | hi |
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| 09:55.19 | Artumi | is debian very successful on the g4s? |
| 09:57.18 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: I never got jigdo to work. |
| 09:58.49 | Artumi | sigh ok thanks |
| 09:59.55 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: how far did you get with it? |
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| 10:16.53 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: downloading files for image at the moment... it defaulted to "--passive-ftp" but i managed to wipe that off from "~/.jigdo-lite" and restart :) |
| 10:18.35 | Q-FUNK | pahartik: it never worked at all. |
| 10:21.10 | pahartik | Q-FUNK: here it created 587 MiB image file, then started downloading and moving packages to it |
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| 11:25.04 | bob2 | "c" is the "eject cdrom" button during boot, right? |
| 11:25.30 | NuBus | that boots from cd - mouse button down ejects on a reboot |
| 11:26.44 | bob2 | er, right, that's what I meant |
| 11:26.58 | bob2 | hit it before during or after the "bong"? |
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| 11:34.54 | simonrvn | bob2: eject or boot from cd? before boing |
| 11:35.31 | bob2 | this is so broken |
| 11:35.52 | simonrvn | i hold it down as soon it comes on in fact |
| 11:36.27 | simonrvn | it scans the devices early on, and selects one very early, so you have to do it before then |
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