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| 00:12.36 | _peter__ | just installed debian on an oldworld powerbook 3400 and after running tasksel and the whole package installing process, i get lotsa lines of: "/usr/sbin/base-config: /var/log/installer.timings: Read-only file system, and: "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes". And after 5 mins i get some harddisk noise and the same lines again! I'd be so happy to get any ideas! Thanks! |
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| 00:13.50 | _mechanix | hi |
| 00:13.55 | powerbook3400 | on a 3400 or were you asking me |
| 00:14.06 | _mechanix | there's quake1 for powerpc? or i have to run quakeforge? |
| 00:15.00 | powerbook3400 | no clude |
| 00:15.01 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: on a 3400, but if you got one, i'd be glad to hear your comments |
| 00:15.08 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: ok see |
| 00:15.29 | powerbook3400 | i'm currently compiling kernel 2.6.4 on my PB |
| 00:15.29 | demon | _peter__: how are you booting it? quik? bootx? miboot? |
| 00:16.16 | powerbook3400 | bootloader shouldn't have anything to do with errors like that i don't think |
| 00:17.13 | powerbook3400 | tho i do recomend quik |
| 00:17.17 | _peter__ | demon: quick, but mostly manually by pointing openfw to the kernel. would also like to set the env's right so that debian gets bootes automatically. "powerbook3400" is probably right, so this can't be an issue with bootloaders, but perhaps with the automatic spindown of the hd... |
| 00:17.43 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: how did you configure openfw? |
| 00:17.51 | demon | it shouldn't be remounting the filesystem readonly unless the system's doing something unexpected behind its back |
| 00:19.04 | powerbook3400 | once the install of debian is done... you get an option to make system bootable or make boot floppy or reboot the system |
| 00:19.15 | powerbook3400 | choose make system bootable |
| 00:19.25 | powerbook3400 | it will install all the quik stuff |
| 00:19.29 | powerbook3400 | BUT |
| 00:19.35 | powerbook3400 | b4 you reboot the system |
| 00:19.42 | powerbook3400 | there are some things you need to do |
| 00:19.57 | _mechanix | Hello guyz |
| 00:20.04 | demon | well, really you should read the quik quirks page |
| 00:20.35 | demon | _peter__: um, how did you run tasksel without rebooting? |
| 00:20.56 | _peter__ | demon: right, sorry this is my first debian installation attempt. but listening to my HD it seems that debian is resyncing the HD now and then, and this is simultaniously to HD spin-downs (i got powersupply connected) |
| 00:21.22 | powerbook3400 | i didn't run it |
| 00:21.22 | _peter__ | demon: tasksel was run right after installation as part of base-config |
| 00:22.27 | powerbook3400 | hehe |
| 00:22.33 | demon | it shouldn't be running tasksel until after you've rebooted once |
| 00:22.40 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: i chose exactly that options when installing, but after a reboot i just had a blank screen so i dialed manually into OF (= openfw) to point the system to my kernel |
| 00:22.58 | powerbook3400 | right |
| 00:23.24 | _peter__ | demon: sorry, of course, after the initial installation i rebooted and then got into tasksel (again, as part of base-config)\ |
| 00:23.28 | powerbook3400 | someone told me a line to add to the quik.conf file to make the screen's backlight turn on |
| 00:23.58 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: ok, i also read sth about that, where's |
| 00:24.14 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: the quick.conf again? |
| 00:24.17 | powerbook3400 | but i don't remember it right now.... but when i'm done compiling i can look at the file for ya ;) |
| 00:24.24 | powerbook3400 | no |
| 00:24.28 | powerbook3400 | it's quik |
| 00:24.30 | powerbook3400 | no C |
| 00:24.34 | powerbook3400 | hehe |
| 00:24.41 | powerbook3400 | i did the same thing |
| 00:24.41 | powerbook3400 | hehe |
| 00:25.22 | powerbook3400 | i think it's /etc/quik.conf |
| 00:27.03 | _peter__ | well, i did a reboot on that box and before login i get: "hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 {buisy}", and "hda: drive not ready for command" and then i get the maintenance login |
| 00:27.13 | demon | uhhh |
| 00:27.17 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: thanks for /etc/quick.conf |
| 00:27.40 | demon | ok, if it's doing that, that probably means the drive is physically bad |
| 00:27.40 | powerbook3400 | quik.. no c not quick.... just quik |
| 00:27.59 | demon | did you have macos on it before, and did it work correctly? |
| 00:28.28 | _peter__ | demon: yes |
| 00:28.40 | powerbook3400 | either bad drive or just needs to be completly reset and reinstalled |
| 00:28.44 | powerbook3400 | it's the simplest way |
| 00:28.46 | _peter__ | demon: just three partitions left: linux, swap and bootloader |
| 00:29.10 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: u think it's an hardware issue? |
| 00:29.21 | powerbook3400 | not if macos was running on it fine |
| 00:29.25 | _peter__ | btw, you guys are very kind to help me!!!!!! |
| 00:29.53 | powerbook3400 | just paying it foreward dude..; they were nice to me and still are b/c i'm still learning it myself :) |
| 00:29.57 | demon | not necessarily... if it was having problems, it'd be an indicator, but the lack doesn't mean the drive isn't failing... |
| 00:29.59 | _peter__ | so i guess it must be about HD spindown... |
| 00:30.44 | powerbook3400 | well.. all i can really tell you is what i got |
| 00:30.54 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: ok |
| 00:31.54 | powerbook3400 | let me guess. your Mac system CD is 7.6? |
| 00:32.37 | powerbook3400 | actually.... |
| 00:32.43 | powerbook3400 | what 3400 do you have |
| 00:32.52 | powerbook3400 | 180/200/240 |
| 00:33.05 | _peter__ | Mhz? |
| 00:33.08 | powerbook3400 | yeah |
| 00:33.13 | _peter__ | yes, CD is 7.x |
| 00:33.53 | _peter__ | i think it's an 240 |
| 00:34.01 | demon | after googling around, I don't see anything indicating anyone else has encountered that sort of problem with a 3400 running linux |
| 00:34.14 | _peter__ | demon: thanks for the try!!!!!! |
| 00:34.47 | powerbook3400 | peter.. here's what i did (but if you follow this example it means a total reinstall |
| 00:34.47 | demon | I would definitely suspect the drive... of course, finding a replacement 2.5" SCSI drive would be a bitch... |
| 00:34.50 | _peter__ | can i remount a hd i booted off? no, i think... |
| 00:35.03 | powerbook3400 | 3400's don;t use scsi :-P |
| 00:35.04 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: i'll listen |
| 00:35.07 | powerbook3400 | they are ide |
| 00:35.24 | demon | they are? |
| 00:35.30 | _peter__ | doesn't matter, the drive was working fine with MacOS |
| 00:35.45 | demon | oh, they are |
| 00:35.55 | demon | peter: I'd put money on a bad drive |
| 00:36.01 | powerbook3400 | well.. my HD is ide anyway |
| 00:36.12 | demon | and the linux fs just happens to have files on a spot that's going bad |
| 00:36.39 | demon | powerbook3400: yeah, lookin at http://www.lowendmac.com/pb2/3400.shtml, that's what it says too |
| 00:36.49 | powerbook3400 | if that's the case then when you use mac fdisk just say hes to the bad sectors check |
| 00:36.52 | powerbook3400 | that's what i did |
| 00:37.22 | powerbook3400 | peter... you have a 3 gig HD? |
| 00:37.39 | _peter__ | demon: ok, you almost got me as far as doing a fresh reinstallout of custom i skipped that step. ok, i should probably let it run! |
| 00:37.47 | demon | mac-fdisk can't do anything about bad sectors... and if the drive's throwing errors like that, it's remapped all its spare sectors, which means it's heading toward total failure |
| 00:37.48 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: afaik not |
| 00:38.46 | powerbook3400 | what size hard drive do you have peter |
| 00:38.54 | _peter__ | demon: thanks for the warning. but the problem is, that after running tasksel it was (apparently) mounted read-omly |
| 00:38.56 | _peter__ | only |
| 00:39.15 | demon | peter: yeah, because of the IDE errors the kernel was getting from the drive |
| 00:39.48 | _peter__ | demon: don't get that, err... :-) |
| 00:39.53 | demon | it couldn't access the physical device because the drive was timing out, which usually means physical damage to the disk |
| 00:40.14 | _peter__ | demon: and not a notebook-lime spindown? |
| 00:40.17 | _peter__ | like |
| 00:40.46 | demon | no, the OS can control the drive's auto spindown |
| 00:41.14 | demon | and a failing drive can sound like it's spinning down briefly... I had a drive (17 GB Seagate) fail in my home box a week or so ago |
| 00:41.40 | _peter__ | demon: ok i see, do you think running the bad-block-scan upon installation might help? |
| 00:42.01 | _peter__ | demon: don't mention that!!!! :-) |
| 00:42.25 | demon | well, the bad-block scan will let the OS map around them... but if you are getting IDE errors and timeouts, the bad spots are pretty much guaranteed to just get bigger |
| 00:42.38 | demon | which means that mapping out the bad sectors won't help |
| 00:43.01 | demon | if you're seeing bad sectors, that means the drive's already remapped all the spare sectors it's got |
| 00:43.16 | _peter__ | demon: ok, but i'll try that first, and then, well, finding a replacement hd for a 10 yrs old pbook seems quite hard. |
| 00:43.24 | demon | ebay |
| 00:43.28 | powerbook3400 | no |
| 00:43.30 | powerbook3400 | hold that thought |
| 00:43.36 | demon | you don't need the _exact_ drive, either |
| 00:43.43 | _peter__ | aha |
| 00:43.44 | demon | long as it's the same form factor |
| 00:44.16 | demon | there's nothing special about apple OEM drives other than the little label that says "this is an apple OEM drive" |
| 00:44.36 | powerbook3400 | http://www.wegenermedia.com/hdd.htm |
| 00:44.45 | demon | you can use _any_ drive, given it's the same interface and form factor |
| 00:44.46 | powerbook3400 | you can get 2 gigs to 40 gigs |
| 00:45.17 | demon | you don't need to get a "powerbook" hard disk |
| 00:45.27 | demon | any 2.5" IDE HDD will work |
| 00:46.05 | demon | as I said, there's nothing magic about apple OEM drives, contrary to the fantastical mutterings of a few apple diehards |
| 00:46.34 | powerbook3400 | the motherboard might not like it tho... i tried some others ones in here and it didn't take |
| 00:46.39 | demon | just the sticker, and that doesn't imbue them with any special properties either |
| 00:46.44 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: ok, i'll consider that. but for tonight (being in europe at 1:47am) let me ask one last question: how do i make openfirmware boot into debian by default? |
| 00:47.32 | powerbook3400 | if you have quik installed... then you have to make (or edit) the file /etc/quik.conf |
| 00:47.59 | powerbook3400 | but like i said.. i'm compiling right now.. so i don't know the exacts for the file :( |
| 00:48.01 | powerbook3400 | sorry |
| 00:48.16 | _peter__ | powerbook3400: ok, but how do i point OF to read the /etc/quick.conf? |
| 00:48.24 | powerbook3400 | no |
| 00:49.01 | powerbook3400 | you have to point it to the kernel |
| 00:49.56 | powerbook3400 | which is at /boot/vmlinux-2.2.200pmac or something of that nature |
| 00:50.10 | powerbook3400 | but like i said.. i don't have the exacts right now :( |
| 00:51.07 | _peter__ | of course, so i'll give it a fresh try tomorrow! thanks for the great support powerbook3400 and demon!! |
| 00:53.03 | powerbook3400 | good luck |
| 00:53.10 | powerbook3400 | and... |
| 00:53.12 | powerbook3400 | AHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 00:53.55 | powerbook3400 | my kernel didn't compile |
| 00:53.58 | Curalton | ah demon - any more tried or feedback from the qemu guys concerning wink2? |
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| 01:10.49 | grzesiek_ | hey i'm getting this error any idea why? *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.4-benh/drivers/scsi/libata.c', needed by `libata.sgml'. Stop. |
| 01:12.13 | powerbook3400 | ohohoh.. this is odd |
| 01:12.46 | powerbook3400 | if a kernel "make" has errors.. and you go back into the menu config... and then "make" again.... |
| 01:12.55 | powerbook3400 | does it pick up where it left off? |
| 01:13.06 | grzesiek_ | yeah but same error |
| 01:13.21 | grzesiek_ | I've just rsync ben |
| 01:13.59 | powerbook3400 | how do i get rid of the error |
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| 01:18.08 | quitte | anyone got sheepshaver working? |
| 01:23.02 | scotth | is anyone here having problems with their ibook g4 wrt thermal problems or things suddenly eating up 100% cpu and then crashing or simply going away |
| 01:24.47 | powerbook3400 | any idea how to take irda out of the kernel? |
| 01:26.36 | chris` | scotth: Never had any problems remotely like that with mine |
| 01:26.40 | chris` | Sounds like a hardware issue |
| 01:27.26 | scotth | yeah, Im thinking it is, but it runs a lot hotter under debian than it did under osx so Im wondering if there is anyway to make the fan come on at lower temps |
| 01:29.31 | scotth | like right now Im running under gnome and the workspace switcher applet and window list applets are frozen up |
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| 01:33.48 | soopurman | does anyone know whats broken about debian-installer beta 3 on ppc ? |
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| 01:38.55 | scotth | chris`: what cpufreq util do you use? and do you know of anything that can check the system tempurature? |
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| 02:05.50 | powerbook3400 | is it normal for there to occationally be warnings and such while compiling a kernel? |
| 02:06.35 | chris` | scotth: I don't use a cpufreq util, I keep it at the max |
| 02:06.57 | chris` | powerbook3400: warnings can be normal (read the type, unused vars and etc). But errors obviously aren't |
| 02:12.06 | powerbook3400 | thankee |
| 02:15.45 | powerbook3400 | about how long ya think it takes to compile a kernel? |
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| 02:39.54 | dreamind | Hi |
| 02:40.11 | Curalton | lo |
| 02:40.21 | dreamind | anybody familiar with embedded ppc hardware, because I'm looking for some really small thingy ;) |
| 02:40.34 | dreamind | (thought for a low power, diskless firewall) |
| 02:41.16 | dreamind | I found some things, but it would be nice to hear from somebody who used such a system... |
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