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| 01:20.17 | afidegnum | hi, i'm having issue with my exim config. here is my config https://dpaste.org/fc8E but i'm still having this error: https://dpaste.org/zY3d what am not doing right ? |
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| 01:26.38 | ajayahmed | hi i added packages.sury.org as an apt source so i can install multiple versions of php but on a new debian 10 server every time i try to install or update something like php7.4-opcache, it also tries to install php8.0-common, php8.0-opcache. `apt-cache depends php7.4-opcache` shows no dependency on anything php 8 related so i have no idea why this is happening. can someone help please? |
| 01:27.09 | sney | ,v php8.0-common |
| 01:27.10 | judd | Package: php8.0-common on amd64 -- sid: 8.0.5-1 |
| 01:27.40 | sney | ajayahmed: do you have sid sources for some reason? if not, sounds like ondrej messed something up on his repo |
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| 01:29.18 | ajayahmed | not that i can see |
| 01:29.23 | somiaj | ajayahmed: apt policy, what is sury pinned at? Could it be a meta package trying to pull in newer stuff |
| 01:30.35 | ajayahmed | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1196324 |
| 01:32.56 | somiaj | maybe try apt-rdepends, you might have to go deeper than just one depends to determine what could be wanting to pull in php8 |
| 01:33.18 | somiaj | Here im' thinking there is some common package or metapackage trying to pull in those packages. |
| 01:34.25 | mutante | is the blackfire.io repo in there messing with it? |
| 01:35.36 | somiaj | the only thing I can think of is maybe let it install those extra packages, then run 'aptitude why php8.0-common' that should tell you what pulled it in. |
| 01:35.49 | mutante | all have some priority, maybe try to change priority so that is sury is preferred? |
| 01:36.17 | somiaj | ajayahmed: if you add --no-install-recommends do you also get the same beavhior. |
| 01:36.32 | ajayahmed | somiaj yep |
| 01:36.34 | somiaj | ajayahmed: apt policy packagename should tell you what repo a package would come from if mutante suggestion is correct. |
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| 02:14.15 | Edu4rdSHL | Hello, I'm trying to setup networking in Debian, it's a Nspawn container, I have created the corresponding .network file to work with systemd-networkd but it isn't working. The service starts correctly but seems that it isn't reading the .network file because the interface is still "down" and "unmanaged" by systemd. |
| 02:15.08 | sney | is the interface listed in /etc/network/interfaces? some other networking services will ignore any interfaces in that file |
| 02:16.25 | Edu4rdSHL | sney, I dont have the /etc/network folder, it's a minimal Debian installation |
| 02:16.58 | Edu4rdSHL | I dont know if debian put some "default networking services" even in minimal installations |
| 02:17.05 | Edu4rdSHL | It's the .network file https://paste.rs/Ey6 |
| 02:17.36 | sney | /etc/network/interfaces *is* the default networking service configuration in a minimal installation. so if you don't have that file, it's not the problem. |
| 02:19.01 | somiaj | do you have do anything special to turn systemd-networkd on (it is disabled by default) |
| 02:19.11 | Edu4rdSHL | sney, so, if I create a own container with `debootstrap --components=main,universe buster container-name repository-url`, it should create /etc/network ? |
| 02:19.22 | Edu4rdSHL | somiaj, just enabling the service. |
| 02:20.04 | sney | 'universe' is an ubuntu thing, but otherwise, normally any debian installation of any size will have ifupdown installed, and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:21.27 | sney | the man page for systemd.network(5) recommends putting Name=* in the [Match] section to avoid a warning, maybe add that and see if it works (perhaps it's being enforced more strictly) |
| 02:21.40 | Edu4rdSHL | Let's see |
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| 02:23.20 | PMT | Hi all, I've got a Debian bullseye VM, just recently I started having a strange behavior where if I run "sudo su -" and then run "cp /foo /bar" inside the session, the cp succeeds unremarkably, but when I type exit, sudo segfaults. |
| 02:23.36 | sney | !sudo su |
| 02:23.36 | dpkg | Typing "sudo su" is like typing "cat file | cat". If you want a non-login shell as root, just use "sudo -s". If you want a login shell, "sudo -i". There's no need to run two different superuser-elevation programs chained back to back. See also <buster su> |
| 02:24.17 | PMT | Sure, I'm doing that wrong. My question stands. |
| 02:24.37 | sney | does the behavior persist if you get a login shell as the factoid suggests, with sudo -i? |
| 02:24.59 | PMT | The behavior persists if I just do "sudo cp /foo /bar", so I'm going to guess "yes" |
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| 02:25.27 | sney | ok, interesting. |
| 02:26.26 | PMT | (And yes, it still does this with sudo -s and sudo -i.) |
| 02:27.11 | Edu4rdSHL | sney, using Name=* worked :), I wonder why Debian is "enforcing" that thing. |
| 02:27.49 | sney | can you elaborate on the source and dest files, do they have to be at the fs root or is that just a generic example? also, I recognize you from #zfs, is the example fs zfs? |
| 02:28.09 | sney | Edu4rdSHL: it's more likely to be freedesktop enforcing the Name field, and the man page hasn't caught up yet. |
| 02:28.57 | Edu4rdSHL | sney, I see. Thank you very much <3 |
| 02:29.00 | PMT | The FS is ext4, but I am playing with ZFS-related files - the destination file is a ZFS library under /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/, the source can be literally anything. |
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| 02:30.47 | PMT | I think I'm surprised that sudo cares if I overwrite a random library that shouldn't be loaded by it? |
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| 02:33.30 | sney | indeed, there's nothing zfs-ish in ldd $(which sudo) that I can see. you said this started recently, can you match a package in /var/log/apt/history.log to the approximate date it started happening? |
| 02:34.42 | sney | sudo was updated in march so that could be it, but I wonder if it's just showing the symptoms of something else |
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| 02:35.28 | somiaj | ,v sudo |
| 02:35.29 | judd | Package: sudo on amd64 -- jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u7; stretch: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.8.19p1-2.1+deb9u2; buster: 1.8.27-1+deb10u3; buster-security: 1.8.27-1+deb10u3; bullseye: 1.9.5p2-3; sid: 1.9.5p2-3; experimental: 1.9.6-1~exp2 |
| 02:37.08 | PMT | I don't see anything obvious in dpkg.log - the package installs in the last hour were me installing gdb and libc6-dbg to debug this (so, presumably, it started before), and before that, just "python-is-python3" an hour prior. |
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| 02:37.52 | somiaj | wonder if trying to install the newer version from experiemntial to see if the behavior is still there could at least help debug it |
| 02:38.05 | PMT | newer version of which? sudo? |
| 02:38.08 | somiaj | Yes |
| 02:38.28 | PMT | I can try that, this is just a testbed VM, so I don't really care if the world burns down in it. :) |
| 02:38.29 | somiaj | PMT: so this only happens with very specific destination files and cp? |
| 02:40.41 | PMT | somiaj: if I do not run cp [somewhere] [that library], it does not segfault on exit. cp [somewhere] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdumbme.so does not cause it, whether that so path existed already when I ran sudo or not. |
| 02:42.09 | PMT | (It also works for overwriting other ZFS libraries, even with themselves - I have not yet tried overwriting other libraries.) |
| 02:42.35 | somiaj | Hmm, wonder what it is about that specific libary that could be causing the issue. |
| 02:43.53 | PMT | It doesn't seem to be just one of the libraries from ZFS - overwriting other ones seems to yield identical behaviors. |
| 02:44.41 | PMT | oh, it works with libz.so.1.2.11 too. |
| 02:45.34 | PMT | so it doesn't appear to be something magic about the ZFS libraries. |
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| 02:48.16 | PMT | sudo from experimental also segfaults |
| 02:49.12 | somiaj | you could also use snapshot.debian.org to see if older sudo's had this behavior, but wonder if there is some underlying feature happening. Are the libaries you overwriting currently loaded by some running program? |
| 02:49.29 | somiaj | though still seems odd, no clue what oculd be going on |
| 02:49.45 | sney | weird segfaults in an oddly specific location can also be memory problems |
| 02:50.02 | sney | just that one part of that one dram |
| 02:51.21 | PMT | i would be fairly impressed if it turns out to be a memory problem, though it is the case that there is not ECC on this machine. |
| 02:52.41 | somiaj | is this vm using qemu? |
| 02:54.11 | PMT | No, VirtualBox. |
| 02:55.41 | somiaj | Okay, just looking through bugs, and saw something related to qemu-static, it was a stretch by thought I would ask |
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| 02:57.57 | PMT | worth a try |
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| 03:00.10 | somiaj | have you tried this just using 'su -'? |
| 03:00.41 | PMT | su - also segfaults under the same conditions. |
| 03:01.08 | somiaj | wonder if it is the shell, wonder if you make the file writable by your user and just cp and watch the shell die? |
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| 03:01.35 | PMT | it requires me exiting the shell for it to die, but i can try |
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| 03:02.29 | somiaj | you can just /bin/bash or even /bin/dash for a simplier shell |
| 03:02.35 | PMT | i'm already using bash |
| 03:02.45 | PMT | and yes, it does die as my regular user |
| 03:02.47 | somiaj | yea, just pointing out you can launch another shell to exit from |
| 03:03.10 | somiaj | so now we know sudo really has little to do with this, which at least is some knowledge |
| 03:03.27 | somiaj | have you tried dash (since it is a simplier shell) |
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| 03:04.36 | PMT | so, i should perhaps be more precise |
| 03:04.41 | PMT | the following statements are true |
| 03:05.12 | PMT | * a login shell as my user does not report crashing on exit, but i'm also not sure i'd see the message before it displayed the login prompt again |
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| 03:05.35 | PMT | * running su - [my user] inside a login session as my user also crashes the same way on exit |
| 03:05.50 | PMT | * running just bash or dash from inside a login session as my user does not crash on exit |
| 03:07.09 | PMT | (that's all the statements I have right now) |
| 03:07.43 | somiaj | Maybe something at the filesystem level, I wonder if creating a new vm with a fresh filesystem would have this same issue. |
| 03:08.26 | PMT | how inconvenient, that i can't valgrind sudo or su. |
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| 03:11.52 | PMT | i'm reasonably confident this is memory corruption, since i just tried to save a core dump by running sudo gdb su and causing su to segfault, but it saved an invalid file and crashed. |
| 03:12.33 | somiaj | could it be just something with the vm, or maybe the host? Maybe run memtest86 overnight |
| 03:13.07 | PMT | not impossible, but none of the other VMs have had any unusual behavior yet. |
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| 03:14.57 | somiaj | well running multiple passes of memetest if you can afford the downtime could at least answer the question, or maybe it is just something strange about that particular vm. |
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| 03:15.16 | somiaj | Have you shutdown/restarted the vm since you noticed this? |
| 03:15.42 | PMT | no, but i can do that readily |
| 03:15.50 | PMT | also, i have two more fascinating datapoints |
| 03:16.01 | PMT | I also possess a CentOS 8 VM and a Debian buster VM on this host. |
| 03:16.07 | PMT | The latter does not exhibit this behavior. The former does. |
| 03:17.10 | somiaj | maybe you have uncovered a bug in virtualbox. |
| 03:17.28 | PMT | not impossible, i've done so before |
| 03:17.28 | somiaj | oh well, best of luck with your gremlins |
| 03:19.10 | PMT | thanks; it's not really the gremlin i was hoping to run down tonight, but oh well |
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| 03:27.46 | PMT | ...oh _boy_, it segfaults on the same VM in kvm, too. |
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| 04:11.15 | PMT | oh dear, i can reproduce this in a VM that's never seen VirtualBox and is on a machine with ECC RAM. |
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| 04:15.28 | ASDX | is there an apt/dpkg command to check if files for a particular package have been changed since being installed/upgraded ("rpm -qV" equivalent)? |
| 04:17.33 | ryouma | debsums maybe? |
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| 04:20.53 | ryouma | requres different syntax apparently Cannot retrieve URL: https://searx.info/%28setq+w3m-search-default-engine+%22searx%22%29 |
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| 04:33.22 | ASDX | yeh, that's the only thing i've seen and it's not installed on most our servers |
| 04:37.09 | somiaj | ASDX: you can manually do it if you want to test a single package, all the md5sums are stored, debsums just automates it |
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| 04:43.28 | somiaj | ASDX: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums will contain the md5sums of all files installed by that package. So you could use that to manually verify, debsums is just the tool to automate this. |
| 04:44.50 | somiaj | ahh looks like dpkg as a --verify option that uses those md5sums |
| 04:45.56 | somiaj | https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.supervision.html#sect.dpkg-verify -- hmm, seems dpkg --verify is actually a replacement of debsums |
| 04:47.04 | somiaj | though seems debsums has some features not included with --verify |
| 04:58.59 | ASDX | somiaj: thanks. shame "dpkg -V" needs to be run against every package. takes a while on my system to run a result. i had an 'apt upgrade' complain that one or more files in /etc/pam.d/common-{auth,account,password,session} have been locally modified" so was trying to confirm which file(s) were changed and why. but "dpkg -V | grep libpam-runtime" doesn't return anything. i see there's a /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.md5sums |
| 04:58.59 | ASDX | file but these common-* files have different file locations (eg "<md5sum> usr/share/pam/common-auth" when I was expecting "<md5sum> /etc/pam.d/common-auth" but looks like there's a /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.postinst file that actually move the files into their end location but the md5sums are not considered in their end location with "dpkg -V" as a result. |
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| 05:02.41 | somiaj | ASDX: you can state what package to test if you don't want to test them all |
| 05:03.12 | somiaj | many files in /etc are conf files controled by debconf, those you will have to deal with seperatly |
| 05:04.32 | somiaj | yea, the message you are getting is there is a change to the configuration file, and it is asking if you want the new configuration file or your old one. I have had cases where I get this even on files I haven't edited, but sometimes scripts will edit them after debconf so they look like they have changed to debconf. |
| 05:06.50 | somiaj | looks like debsums will check config files, I don't know if dpkg --verify will. |
| 05:08.34 | somiaj | hmm, looks like maybe dpkg --verify does do conffiles, though not quite sure on the details |
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| 07:45.01 | Tigryss | hi, I have some problem with ipv6/4. I try ro use my android with usb tethering and it's working, debian can only reach network with ipv6. Example "ping 8.8.8.8" response network unreachable but "ping 2001:4860:4860::8888" working fine |
| 07:45.56 | Tigryss | is there anyone who had this issue before? |
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| 07:57.34 | Tigryss | afidegnum: there is a really good description on https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-configuring-bridging-in-debian-linux/ |
| 07:57.35 | Tigryss | I'm using iptables for bridge |
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| 08:04.03 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 08:10.09 | afidegnum | Tigryss: i bridged mine as well |
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| 08:48.25 | Dagger | Tigryss: I don't suppose "ping 64:ff9b::8.8.8.8" works? |
| 08:53.12 | alkisg | Tigryss: Also check if you do have an ipv4 with `ip a`, and if your phone does give a DHCPOFFER, with `sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n usb0` |
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| 09:23.16 | shtrb | [trying to do live backup of akonadi] Should mariahdb file storage be able to correct and start from backed up files in case files had been copied while mysqld was running (but no write operations had been running at the point in time) ? |
| 09:24.04 | shtrb | I'm even wondering if I could just do a filesystem snapshot and try to load from it |
| 09:24.46 | jelly | mysql server is supposed to survive the latter, yes, it's equivalent to a recovery after a power loss |
| 09:24.58 | shtrb | thanks |
| 09:25.31 | jelly | but if you want proper backups, use mariadb-backup |
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| 09:26.00 | jelly | ,i mariadb-backup |
| 09:26.03 | judd | Package mariadb-backup (database, optional) in buster/amd64: Backup tool for MariaDB server. Version: 1:10.3.27-0+deb10u1; Size: 5086.5k; Installed: 24154k; Homepage: https://mariadb.org/ |
| 09:26.09 | TheBigK | it has compressed also a space advantage in smaller installations since u dont have iblogfile and stuff like that |
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| 09:28.03 | shtrb | jelly, thanks as usual |
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| 09:37.04 | hegemoOn | is there any reason that apt install /tmp/foo.deb |
| 09:37.20 | hegemoOn | doesnt install /etc/rsyslog.d/custom.conf contained in it ? |
| 09:37.45 | hegemoOn | dpkg-query -L foo.deb lists the file |
| 09:37.53 | hegemoOn | but when i go in /etc/rsyslog.d |
| 09:37.56 | hegemoOn | nothing inside |
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| 09:45.29 | jelly | hegemoOn, was a version of the same package previously installed and not purged completely? |
| 09:45.57 | jelly | !confmiss |
| 09:45.57 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 09:53.37 | hegemoOn | not much |
| 09:53.42 | hegemoOn | it a fresh new install |
| 09:53.56 | hegemoOn | and installation is during the provisionning of server |
| 09:55.02 | jelly | do you have output of the provisioning install steps |
| 09:55.53 | jelly | hegemoOn, if you can purge the package, install it again, and then the file appears, that would mean something like confmiss is happening |
| 09:57.06 | hegemoOn | will test |
| 09:57.36 | jelly | that is, you or a custom tool is deleting the file |
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| 11:06.53 | PamiPetteri | I am recompiling the kernel on Debian: "make -j`proc` deb-pkg". How come when I compiled with bindeb-pkg I did not get the PREEMPT string in my uname -a? I was expecting it. Also, my graphics card configuration was complaining something about mmio nouveau or nvidia, when I booted up. Should I expect that I get a better result now that I recompile with deb-pkg? I had also changed .config "on the fly" |
| 11:06.59 | PamiPetteri | while compiling. Now I have a ready .config from the start. Is this compile going to have better results, regarding the "PREEMPT" string and the NVidia graphics configuration? |
| 11:08.12 | PamiPetteri | I do not really know what I am doing. This is my hobby. |
| 11:12.56 | petn-randall | PamiPetteri: What is CONFIG_PREEMPT set to in your .config? |
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| 11:16.20 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
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| 11:23.00 | Tigryss | hi, I have some problem with ipv6/4. I try ro use my android with usb tethering and it's working, debian can only reach network with ipv6. Example "ping 8.8.8.8" response network unreachable but "ping 2001:4860:4860::8888" working fine |
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| 11:24.06 | jelly | Tigryss, can you answer [08:48:25] <D'agger> Tigryss: I don't suppose "ping 64:ff9b::8.8.8.8" works? |
| 11:25.11 | jelly | Tigryss, also [08:53:12] <alkisg> Tigryss: Also check if you do have an ipv4 with `ip a`, and if your phone does give a DHCPOFFER, with `sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n usb0` |
| 11:25.33 | jelly | oops, forgot to dehighlight alk'isg |
| 11:26.16 | Tigryss | ping 64:ff9b::8.8.8.8" works? No |
| 11:27.42 | jelly | Mr. Dagger knows more about ipv6 and NAT64 than me, I'm just pasting the stuff you may have missed last time you were here |
| 11:28.01 | Tigryss | ipv4 yes 192.168.0.66 |
| 11:30.13 | Tigryss | sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n usb0Â Â no device to configure |
| 11:30.40 | Tigryss | jelly thanks I read back :D |
| 11:31.29 | petn-randall | PamiPetteri: If you set that, and then compiled the kernel, it should be preempt. Not sure when that shows up in `uname -a`. |
| 11:32.54 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: it might be on without showing it in uname -a. but I am trying to recompile - mostly because my graphics card configuration was complaining upon boot. |
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| 11:36.13 | alkisg | (02:30:13 PM) Tigryss: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n usb0Â Â no device to configure => what is the device name? `ip a` will tell you. Also, what's the output of `ip r`, is there the correct route registered there? |
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| 11:41.26 | Tigryss | enp0s29u1u1 |
| 11:41.33 | Tigryss | Â :D |
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| 11:44.56 | alkisg | Tigryss: that's the usb interface name? Oh well, ok, check with that one. And also check the route, `ip r`, and if you can ping the dhcp server == android |
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| 11:46.31 | Tigryss | paste.ofcode.org/RQZypuSDRHdnGkPW6jix5T |
| 11:47.43 | alkisg | Tigryss: I don't see a route registered for 192.168.42.x. How are you getting an IP, with dhclient, with network manager etc? |
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| 11:48.17 | Tigryss | if I ping dhcp (ipv4) network unreachable |
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| 11:48.46 | alkisg | Tigryss: try again the `ipconfig` command, but now without the -n |
| 11:49.08 | alkisg | This should register the correct route so that you can use ping etc. But you need to configure it properly, with network-manager or dhclient etc |
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| 11:50.04 | alkisg | This is the output of `ip r` with bullseye+network manager: 192.168.42.0/24 dev usb0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.42.118 metric 101 |
| 11:50.33 | alkisg | Without an IP and a route for 192.168.42.x, ipv4 won't work |
| 11:51.57 | Tigryss | hmm can be that the problem is that the modem manager is removed? |
| 11:52.17 | alkisg | I think you should answer that one first: which program are you using to get an IP |
| 11:52.31 | alkisg | Are you using network-manager, or /etc/network/interfaces (ifupdown), or wicd, or dhclient... |
| 11:52.39 | Tigryss | network manager |
| 11:53.07 | alkisg | Can you paste the output of: nmcli |
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| 11:55.10 | Tigryss | paste.ofcode.org/kcmzgrBReNJUWgwKE2j6rk |
| 11:56.10 | alkisg | No ipv4 there. Run `nm-connection-editor` and check that you want an ipv4 address |
| 11:56.23 | alkisg | Then re-activate the connection and check the output of `nmcli` again |
| 11:56.46 | alkisg | (and an ipv4 route too) |
| 11:57.23 | petn-randall | PamiPetteri: What is the exact message you get? Do you have any problems with your graphics besides the message? |
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| 11:59.44 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: no problems with my graphics. let me check from dmesg. |
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| 12:05.10 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: https://paste.ofcode.org/33x2u7hL4VnksKZ4dfYeiG9 |
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| 12:07.25 | petn-randall | PamiPetteri: If you don't have any issues I'd say those are purely cosmetic. What graphics card(s) do you have in this machine? Is it a laptop? |
| 12:08.24 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: NVidia GeForce. this is a tower PC from 2013, K5130 ASUS PC. I will ask screenfetch or neofetch about my graphics card. |
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| 12:09.51 | PamiPetteri | GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 OEM |
| 12:10.56 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: what does this mean? "dpkg-buildpackage: info: full upload (original source is included)" |
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| 12:11.43 | PamiPetteri | I am now using deb-pkg instead of bindeb-pkg in case this works better. where exactly is the source code and where is the upload and where is it uploaded? |
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| 12:12.31 | PamiPetteri | I did not give my machine permission to upload anything anywhere, I just wanted a kernel compile |
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| 12:15.25 | petn-randall | PamiPetteri: "bindeb-pkg" will create a binary package to install. "deb-pkg" will also create a source package, which you could use to build the binary packages from. |
| 12:16.42 | petn-randall | None of those will actually upload anything. "Preparing an upload" is a term used for preparing the source tarball for upload, so that Debian build servers can build the binary packages. |
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| 12:17.15 | euri10[m] | greetings, I upgraded my buster desktop to bullseye yesterday without any issue except a minor inconvenince with bluetooth I reported. The only thing that does not work, but it's not Debian's fault, is the `nvidia-container-runtime` for docker : some research reveals that they dont support cgroups v2 yet, which is now the default. There seem to be a fix that consists in forcing systemd to use cgroup v1 (in the grub cmdline) but I wanted to |
| 12:17.15 | euri10[m] | know before I test that option what are the pros/cons of not using the cgroups v2 default ? |
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| 12:23.28 | PamiPetteri | petn-randall: now the system shows the "PREEMPT" string. I am happy now. |
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| 13:35.30 | Wulf | ratrace: About me asking about OpenVZ and minimum supported kernel versions of Debian yesterday. https://www.qualys.com/2021/05/04/21nails/21nails.txt kind of forced me to do the right thing. The important services are now migrated to some KVM (?) machine with a better hoster. |
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| 14:00.57 | jelly | !win Wulf |
| 14:00.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, Wulf! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 14:01.31 | jelly | Lebanon is lovely this time of year |
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| 14:29.17 | PamiPetteri | my graphics crashed when my computer was hibernating under GNOME in Xwayland. I did a "killall -1 Xwayland" as root from the console and when I logged back in GNOME, the computer refused to connect to my IRC shell machine, but gave proper "ping" replies from the machine. What is this? When I rebooted the computer there was a 1 min 30 sec stop job from cron running. Was there some sort of upgrade going |
| 14:29.23 | PamiPetteri | on, or what else could it have been? Am I going to have a better experience using MATE with X than GNOME with Xwayland? |
| 14:31.12 | jelly | it's a bug |
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| 14:31.35 | PamiPetteri | I suppose the graphics problem had to do with this new kernel, that is giving graphics errors upon boot. Cannot read some addresses and cannot write some addresses. It might have to do with the intel-microcode install I did with apt. Or just a kernel issue with the graphics driver. |
| 14:31.41 | PamiPetteri | jelly: ok. |
| 14:31.42 | jelly | you can keep gnome just switch back to gnome on X, I think |
| 14:32.25 | jelly | that ought to be one of the session options on the login screen (display manager) |
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| 14:47.30 | daft_dutch | Hi im bought a vpn account and it uses openvpn openvpn <script> works but i like to run it at the background. I tried to set default/openvpn as good as i tried but im stuck |
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| 14:51.54 | mirko | after i realised yesterday that my firefox v88.0 package fetched from sid and installed on bullseye is considered a frankedebian, i now built the firefox v88.0 package on bullseye and can reproduce the crash. now i also have debug symbols and a meaningful backtrace: https://pb.nanl.de/show.php?id=45214&hash=2175461&mode=raw . does that help? |
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| 14:57.17 | daft_dutch | openvpn <script> runs. but if i run it as service it says May 5 16:55:06 mole ovpn-login[11271]: Options error: Unrecognized option or missing or extra parameter(s) in /etc/openvpn/login.conf:1: |
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| 15:01.27 | somiaj | mirko: this channel is for stable support, so we assume that users are running stable. Installing sid packages in testing is a common practice in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:01.49 | somiaj | mirko: though with bullseye about ready to be releaed, don't depend on sid packages, espically ones that will never migrate to stable if you stabalize with bullseye |
| 15:03.03 | somiaj | mirko: if you grab older firefox packages from snapshot.debian.org, do they also crash or is this only with firefox v88? You could file a bug report, might get a bit more useful response. |
| 15:04.56 | mirko | somiaj: the crash was introduced with v88 - downgrading back to v87 everything is fine again |
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| 15:05.37 | somiaj | I would check bug reports then file one, it could be a regression. |
| 15:06.15 | mirko | i checked already and it doesn't seem common, hence i suspected my setup and figured maybe the backtrace might ring a bell what's wrong here |
| 15:06.22 | mirko | anyway, thanks, will do so |
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| 15:08.41 | somiaj | mirko: have you tried a blank user with no configuration files what so ever? |
| 15:08.47 | mirko | somiaj: yes |
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| 15:09.54 | somiaj | and you ahve tried the binary compiled by mozilla? |
| 15:10.07 | mirko | somiaj: no |
| 15:10.22 | somiaj | I would try that, see if it is a debian package issue vs firefox |
| 15:10.39 | somiaj | if the binary from mozilla has the same problem, I'd report a bug upstream as it may get more response than reporting it to debian. |
| 15:11.33 | mirko | understood, currently suspecting fGetString() so, maybe i can get to the bottom myself |
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| 15:24.31 | Xalys | Does the debian-security repo use phased updates / gradual rollout? A security update for bind9-host was published to the repo on 29 Apr 2021, but unattended upgrades only updated it on 2 May 2021 |
| 15:25.08 | petn-randall | Xalys: No, it doesn't haven staggered rollouts. |
| 15:25.31 | petn-randall | Xalys: Did it install earlier on another machine? |
| 15:26.47 | Xalys | petn-randall: No, I have three machines that updated the package all in the same night. They're all configured to run unattended-upgrades every 4h and install updates from Debian-Security. But when I look in bind9-host's changelog, I see a release date of 29 Apr 2021. Perhaps the changelog was finalised before publishing the package? Is that common? |
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| 15:32.19 | somiaj | Xalys: https://www.debian.org/security/2021/dsa-4909 -- says May 1st, so that seems more reasonable |
| 15:32.27 | petn-randall | Xalys: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/bind9 |
| 15:32.45 | somiaj | Note it could be the package was created and tested before it was actually pushed to security.debian.org |
| 15:33.02 | Xalys | I found https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-changes@lists.debian.org/msg23286.html from 3 May. I guess it was published to propsed with that changelog date, then published in stable? |
| 15:33.11 | Xalys | ah, that makes sense. |
| 15:33.12 | petn-randall | Xalys: If you look at the "news" section, you'll see that it was uploaded on may 1, so I'm assuming the changelog entry was prepared earlier. |
| 15:33.25 | Xalys | Clear, thank you! |
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| 16:14.27 | junialter | I'm trying debian Bullseye on my raspberry pi 2 in order to make it a stratum 1 NTP |
| 16:14.55 | junialter | What I'm missing is how I can change the gpio pin for the pps signal which I did on raspbian with dtoverlay in /boot/config.txt |
| 16:15.53 | petn-randall | junialter: Does Debian bullseye even run on a RPi2? I thought the minimum to even get it to boot was 3. |
| 16:16.28 | junialter | so far it runs great :-) this is where I downloaded it https://raspi.debian.net/tested-images/ |
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| 16:17.10 | petn-randall | Interesting! |
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| 16:54.29 | junialter | it looks like the pps_gpio module is missing... |
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| 16:56.05 | PamiPetteri | I should remember not to fix what is not broken. I will reboot now and see how my current setup reacts to firmware-misc-nonfree and firmware-realtek. I am not too excited about using flashrom, because that could end up in unwanted results. I do not want to break my computer's hardware. |
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| 17:00.24 | somiaj | PamiPetteri: flashrom? The firmware is loaded and ran in userland, not flashed. |
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| 17:01.12 | somiaj | Or are you talking about updating the firmware on your mobo? |
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| 17:42.04 | kevindd992002 | hello. can anyone help me out with my Debian issue here? https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6248236#post6248236 |
| 17:45.18 | greycat | Can you ask the question here, without forcing people to visit that web page? |
| 17:46.17 | kevindd992002 | Yes, sorry |
| 17:46.56 | kevindd992002 | I'm running Debian Buster and while I was upgrading qemu-extra-blocks, it brought up the usual sshd_config reconfiguration screen (in my SSH terminal) saying that a new version of the sshd_config file is to be installed and either I proceed with it or keep the local file that's currently being used. I accidentally pressed Esc and it just continued |
| 17:46.56 | kevindd992002 | with the installation. Immediately after pressing Esc, here's what I saw: |
| 17:46.57 | kevindd992002 | Setting up openssh-server (1:8.4p1-2~bpo10+1) ... |
| 17:46.57 | kevindd992002 | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/ssh ... |
| 17:46.58 | kevindd992002 | Installing new version of config file /etc/ssh/moduli ... |
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| 17:47.31 | kevindd992002 | I'm running Debian Buster and while I was upgrading qemu-extra-blocks |
| 17:47.44 | kevindd992002 | it brought up the usual sshd_config reconfiguration screen (in my SSH terminal) saying that a new version of the sshd_config file is to be installed and either I proceed with it or keep the local file that's currently being used. I accidentally pressed Esc and it just continued with the installation. |
| 17:48.00 | kevindd992002 | I restarted the server and tried ssh'ing again. What I noticed is that after I input my user password, it takes more than a minute for it to get in and when I do a systemctl status I see a degraded status with this failed units: |
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| 17:48.16 | kevindd992002 | user@1000.service loaded failed failed User Manager for UID 1000 |
| 17:48.59 | greycat | For the love of god, just one or two sentences. |
| 17:49.28 | kevindd992002 | Again, sorry, I wanted to be as detailed as possible |
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| 17:52.03 | greycat | So the problem is "ssh-ing in takes over 1 minute, and log shows user@1000.service loaded failed". I'd check the ownership of /run/user/1000/ because I've seen that get screwed up before. |
| 17:53.08 | cosimone | hello, this is probably a pedantic observation, but i noticed that ocaml-nox in the standard buster repository, *suggests* ocaml-doc, which is in the non-free repository. is it correct for a package in the standard repo to suggest packages in the non-free repo? |
| 17:53.13 | cosimone | https://packages.debian.org/buster/ocaml-nox |
| 17:53.41 | greycat | ,suggests gcc |
| 17:53.43 | judd | Package gcc in buster/amd64 -- suggests: gcc-multilib, make, manpages-dev, autoconf, automake, libtool, flex, bison, gdb, gcc-doc. |
| 17:53.47 | greycat | ,info gcc-doc |
| 17:53.48 | judd | No package named 'gcc-doc' was found in buster/amd64. |
| 17:54.12 | greycat | ,info gcc-10-doc --release bullseye |
| 17:54.14 | judd | Package gcc-10-doc (non-free/doc, optional) in bullseye/amd64: documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++). Version: 10.2.0-1; Size: 9300.8k; Installed: 17644k; Homepage: http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 17:54.32 | greycat | So, it's not unique to ocaml at least. |
| 17:54.37 | kevindd992002 | That pretty much sums it BUT it also happens with user@0.service |
| 17:54.41 | kevindd992002 | which is root |
| 17:55.02 | cosimone | greycat: possible, this is just the first thing i came across since that's what i'm currently using |
| 17:56.03 | kevindd992002 | I see that /run/user/1000/ is owned by my account which has the 1000 uid |
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| 17:56.26 | greycat | OK, then I don't know. I might just reboot. systemd and dbus are still kinda mysteries to me. |
| 17:56.30 | cosimone | it seems surprising to me that packages in the standard repository might suggest packages in the non-free repo, but if this is allowed, then i have no complaints |
| 17:56.52 | somiaj | kevindd992002: unsure if the configuration issue during the install is affecting this, but you should have either a backup of your old config or a copy of the original dpkg config in /etc/ssh/ |
| 17:57.22 | greycat | ssh configuration should not be causing systemd --user services to fail |
| 17:57.29 | kevindd992002 | I already rebooted. I noticed the issue after rebooting after the upgrade of qemu-extra-blocks |
| 17:57.30 | jhutchins | cosimone: It's OK for a package in main to recommend or suggest a non-free package, but it would be wrong to depend on non-free. |
| 17:58.08 | somiaj | jhutchins: are you sure about that? I don't think main can have any depends in contrib/non-free. |
| 17:58.14 | jhutchins | What's userservices trying to do? |
| 17:58.17 | greycat | "journalctl -u 1000@user" maybe? |
| 17:58.29 | greycat | try to get more details on what's failing, and/or why |
| 17:58.31 | jhutchins | somiaj: Um I thought that's what I said. |
| 17:58.44 | somiaj | jhutchins: actually nevermind, I guess this actually happens... |
| 17:59.00 | kevindd992002 | somiaj which file am I looking for? |
| 17:59.27 | jmcnaught | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#the-main-archive-area "must not require or recommend a package outside of main for compilation or executionâ¦" |
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| 18:00.31 | urk | Is there a safe way to install brackets in Debian kernel 4.19? |
| 18:00.37 | kevindd992002 | greycat: not seeing any results with that command |
| 18:00.47 | somiaj | cosimone: often time docs have unmutable parts which puts them in non-free, though I must have not noticed that suggests can be outside of main. |
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| 18:01.48 | kevindd992002 | when i do a systemctl status user@1000.service, I get this |
| 18:01.49 | kevindd992002 | gpgconf: error running '/usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon': probably not installed |
| 18:02.35 | kevindd992002 | I see it installed though |
| 18:02.36 | kevindd992002 | gpgconf/buster-backports,now 2.2.27-1~bpo10+1 amd64 [installed,automatic] |
| 18:02.50 | greycat | ,file usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon |
| 18:02.56 | judd | Search for usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon in buster/amd64: scdaemon: usr/lib/gnupg/scdaemon |
| 18:03.02 | kevindd992002 | I don't see the file |
| 18:03.07 | greycat | separate package, apparently. see judd. |
| 18:04.27 | kevindd992002 | These are the only files I see in /usr/lib/gnupg: |
| 18:04.36 | kevindd992002 | dirmngr_ldap |
| 18:04.42 | kevindd992002 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.48 | kevindd992002 | gpg-preset-passphrase |
| 18:04.53 | kevindd992002 | gpg-protect-tool |
| 18:04.56 | greycat | none of that's helpful to anyone |
| 18:04.57 | kevindd992002 | gpg-wks-client |
| 18:05.03 | cosimone | somiaj: i see |
| 18:05.06 | greycat | either install scdaemon, or seek some other answer from google |
| 18:05.21 | cosimone | if "suggests" is allowed outside of the main repo, then it's ok |
| 18:06.18 | kevindd992002 | I've been trying to search in google for a few hours now but I don't see this problem being a famous one |
| 18:06.50 | greycat | so install scdaemon, then? |
| 18:07.29 | jmcnaught | I get the same error about no scdaemon in my journal, so it's probably a false lead anyways. |
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| 18:09.35 | kevindd992002 | what do you know, installing scdaemon fixed it! |
| 18:09.46 | kevindd992002 | both ssh and user manager problems |
| 18:10.01 | kevindd992002 | I don't understand why though |
| 18:10.37 | kevindd992002 | I have another Debian system that doesn't have scdaemon installed too but I don't see that no scdaemon message when I do sytemctl status on that box |
| 18:10.43 | jhutchins | kevindd992002: It's likely the usermanager failure was causing the delay, waiting to complete. |
| 18:11.01 | greycat | does it have gpgconf from backports? or is that unique to the one that was having issues |
| 18:11.04 | kevindd992002 | Right, that's what I thought |
| 18:11.28 | kevindd992002 | let me check |
| 18:12.44 | kevindd992002 | aahhh, that's the difference, the other box had gpgconf from the stable repo |
| 18:13.05 | kevindd992002 | BUT it has the qemu-extra-blocks from buster-backports too. |
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| 18:14.24 | kevindd992002 | I'm assuming that if if qemu-extra-blocks was the one responsible for upgrading other dependencies (including gpgconf) from the backports, then it should do the same for both systems, no? |
| 18:15.04 | kevindd992002 | qemu-block-extra, sorry |
| 18:15.38 | greycat | meanwhile I'm assuming qemu-* had nothing to do with it at all |
| 18:16.11 | kevindd992002 | But it was the one that triggered the upgrade of gpgconf |
| 18:16.18 | kevindd992002 | I checked the apt term.log file |
| 18:17.53 | kevindd992002 | I have a bunch of packages that are installed from backports now |
| 18:18.02 | kevindd992002 | Because of the upgrade of qemu |
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| 18:23.01 | kevindd992002 | What does it mean when apt shows a package as "not upgraded"? |
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| 18:27.32 | somiaj | kevindd992002: check apt policy packagename (should see there is a newer version which can ge installed) |
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| 18:30.31 | kevindd992002 | Before all this, what happened was an older backports version of qemu-block-extra was installed and it was tagged as "not upgraded" |
| 18:30.54 | johnjay | is /etc/sudoers.d/wheel a standard file in general or just debian? |
| 18:31.02 | kevindd992002 | I then did apt list --upgradeable -a and it showed two possible upgrades for that package which caused it to not be upgraded |
| 18:31.11 | kevindd992002 | one from stable and one from backports that has a higher version |
| 18:31.39 | kevindd992002 | that's why I did apt -t buster-backports upgrade qemu-block-extra which caused the upgrade of a lot of packages from backports too |
| 18:31.53 | kevindd992002 | Did I do that incorrectly? |
| 18:32.22 | greycat | johnjay: sounds more like a BSD thing. I have no such file. |
| 18:32.34 | johnjay | ok |
| 18:32.49 | johnjay | i do have the folder itself on debian though |
| 18:32.59 | greycat | yes, mine just has a README |
| 18:33.07 | topoi_ | I want to mount a device that is inserted, do some tasks and umount it automagically thereafter; how would I accomplish this? Would it be feasable to parse syslog and fork the rest or are there simpler ways? |
| 18:34.37 | jmcnaught | kevindd992002: it would have been better to do "apt -t buster-backports install qemu-block-extra" which would have been more targetted. Because you used the upgrade verb, you probably upgraded every package that could be upgraded to backports version, which is not recommended. |
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| 18:34.38 | topoi_ | Ohh, somebody alread hinted me at udev. |
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| 18:36.10 | kevindd992002 | jmcnaught: argh, that's exactly what I thought. I was going to use the install verb initially but thought upgrade was more targeted. Is there anyway to revert those changes? Or would a reinstall of Debian be faster at this point? |
| 18:37.19 | jmcnaught | kevindd992002: downgrades aren't really supported by apt/dpkg but you can try the remedy suggested by "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" |
| 18:37.20 | somiaj | kevindd992002: you could go figure out which packages were upgraded and manually downgrade them |
| 18:37.35 | somiaj | results may varry depending on number of pcakges. |
| 18:38.56 | kevindd992002 | yeah, too much work, I guess. judging from the apt history.log, there's a lot that have been upgraded. i'll probably reinstall debian and charge this to experience. |
| 18:39.10 | kevindd992002 | i was luck to still have ssh access as I did this remotely, lol |
| 18:39.16 | kevindd992002 | lucky* |
| 18:41.03 | somiaj | kevindd992002: backports just have less testing and no directy security support, so though they are often good packages, there is less testing on how they interact together, hence best to minimize what backports you use based on need. |
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| 18:45.14 | urk | Does anyone know if JSFiddle goes by a different name in the repos? |
| 18:46.07 | urk | I did a search for jsfiddle and node-babel7-standalone comes up. |
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| 18:53.18 | somiaj | urk: I don't think it is in the repos. |
| 18:54.05 | urk | somiaj: I don't see it. Wish there was a way to install brackets. Supposedly it is discontinued, but still widely used. |
| 18:55.06 | sney | ,bug wnpp brackets |
| 18:55.07 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/721575 in wnpp (open): «RFP: brackets -- open source code editor for web»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2013-09-02; last modified: 2017-05-14. |
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| 19:14.38 | urk | somiaj: I just finished cloning brackets from Github, but don't find the program on my laptop Did I do something wrong? |
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| 19:20.59 | xuxx | hi |
| 19:21.03 | xuxx | Is there a way for me to check if a package is already installed ? And if not, I install it |
| 19:21.12 | xuxx | I want to do that in a .sh script |
| 19:21.14 | xuxx | Any idea ? |
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| 19:21.49 | sney | 'apt install packagename' will exit if the package is already installed, and install it if it isn't. add '-y' to skip prompts. |
| 19:22.18 | xuxx | sney: also |
| 19:22.27 | xuxx | what's the difference between apt-get install and apt install ? |
| 19:22.46 | somiaj | xuxx: nothing, they do the same thing. |
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| 19:22.57 | sney | apt is a newer tool that has more functions in a single binary. |
| 19:22.59 | somiaj | xuxx: apt is meant to be a user front end, and apt-get is meant more for scripts. |
| 19:23.03 | sney | but they are essentially equivalent for this |
| 19:23.12 | jhutchins | xuxx: same outcome, different internal process. |
| 19:23.30 | somiaj | well apt-get was heavily used in scripts, and due to this its options have to be static, so a new binary apt was created that could be a bit more modern in terms of output and behavior |
| 19:23.37 | greycat | dpkg, apt vs. apt-get |
| 19:23.37 | dpkg | apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting. |
| 19:24.21 | somiaj | xuxx: Though almost an XY problem here, what are you trying to do? Get a specific set of packages on a newly installed system? |
| 19:24.26 | xuxx | sney: '-y' skip prompts even if it works ? |
| 19:24.58 | xuxx | somiaj: I installed something and I want to do a script for my friends so it's easier for them |
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| 19:25.24 | xuxx | It's just for some dependencies |
| 19:25.28 | xuxx | that asked |
| 19:25.33 | xuxx | I* |
| 19:25.55 | somiaj | xuxx: I'd just send a list of packages needed to install, that can be coppied/pasted to an apt install line |
| 19:26.12 | somiaj | and apt will only install the packages which are not currently installed |
| 19:26.22 | xuxx | somiaj: yes but there is other things to do |
| 19:26.28 | xuxx | So I prefer to do all the job in one script |
| 19:26.53 | somiaj | I guess me personally I prefer guides over scripts, state what is needed, and let them do it. |
| 19:27.05 | xuxx | somiaj: yup but they never touched linux |
| 19:27.10 | xuxx | it's for a school project |
| 19:27.36 | xuxx | And they doesn't seem interested in using it |
| 19:30.06 | sney | you could also make a metapackage .deb that depends on the packages needed, then they could just "apt install ./custom-whatever.deb" and apt will handle the rest automatically |
| 19:30.35 | xuxx | sney: not my level XD |
| 19:30.48 | sney | it's basically a text file, you didn't even check |
| 19:30.55 | xuxx | also I have config file to edit |
| 19:31.01 | xuxx | I planned to do that in the bash script |
| 19:31.21 | saint_ | Anyone using Digital Ocean to host Debian VM with XFCE by any chance ? |
| 19:32.06 | greycat | I don't understand why you would put a desktop environment on a remote server. |
| 19:32.25 | saint_ | I'm using X2GO to remote to the X11, and it's pretty sluggish. I was wondering if Adding RAM , since I can't add ram on the graphical board , would change anything ? |
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| 19:32.45 | saint_ | greycat because that's the business case i'm facing. |
| 19:34.15 | MIF | o |
| 19:35.06 | sney | more ram, or a gui with lower resource usage, would likely help. |
| 19:35.22 | sney | but it'll never be fast enough to seem like local access. |
| 19:35.28 | saint_ | sney I'll try adding ram. Not sure I can find any X11 taking less resources than XFCE though.. |
| 19:35.41 | greycat | Any plain window manager. |
| 19:35.52 | saint_ | sney of course. but my users are worldwide. scratch this option for me. |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | There are literally dozens. |
| 19:36.01 | sney | ^ or lxqt/lxde are less involved than xfce as well |
| 19:37.15 | jhutchins | saint_: lxde is rumored to be leaner, but not as advanced. |
| 19:37.18 | sney | last time I needed a gui on a remote server I used windowmaker. it had the added benefit of nobody knowing wtf it was, so I didn't really need to lock it either |
| 19:37.19 | saint_ | ok. I'll pump this VM up with another GB Ram, and if not working I'll try lxqt. Thanks |
| 19:37.31 | saint_ | sney hahahahaha |
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| 19:40.40 | jelly | saint_, the sluggishness is a function of latency mostly. The clients need to be close to the remote GUI server, and they need decent bandwidth. |
| 19:40.55 | jelly | RAM will not help |
| 19:41.47 | jelly | that said, there are better and worse remote GUI solutions. vnc is pretty crap. X11 over ssh is worse. the fastest-feeling solutions are proprietary |
| 19:41.51 | saint_ | jelly i went cheap for test purpose with only 1GB Ram. Clients sadly are on remote oil rigs or thousands of miles away with "ok" connections. I think 100Mbs/download, 5Mbs/upload (if that) |
| 19:42.04 | jelly | saint_, 1GB is not enough for GUI |
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| 19:43.02 | jelly | but if your clients are on oil rigs you probably have money for AirDesk or something |
| 19:43.10 | saint_ | jelly you'd think ... |
| 19:43.33 | sney | xrdp is reasonably fast even over a crappy connection, again not brilliantly fast or anything but still usable |
| 19:43.39 | saint_ | jelly i was thinking aout VNC, but i dont remember where I read that security wise, it's a no-no, while x2go runs over ssh tunnel |
| 19:43.59 | saint_ | i m resizing the VM with 2GB Ram. I'll see in a few once it s done. |
| 19:44.34 | jelly | AnyDesk, not AirDesk |
| 19:44.56 | greycat | VNC can also run over an ssh tunnel |
| 19:44.58 | jelly | saint_, you can run vnc over an ssh tunnel. |
| 19:45.10 | jelly | but that is also not a good idea wrt latency |
| 19:45.30 | jelly | use a datagram-based vpn tu secure the transport instead |
| 19:45.34 | jhutchins | I think forwarding a whole desktop should be avoided if at all possible. Forwarding one or two apps is not too bad, but general control and management should be done with a plain console. |
| 19:45.40 | jelly | tu? |
| 19:45.44 | sney | ,i xrdp |
| 19:45.45 | judd | Package xrdp (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server. Version: 0.9.9-1+deb10u1; Size: 424.5k; Installed: 2901k; Homepage: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/xrdp |
| 19:46.00 | jelly | rdp is a-okay if you can make it work |
| 19:47.07 | sney | in a vpn for best results, but afaik the protocol was designed for that |
| 19:47.14 | jelly | jhutchins, it doesn't matter how many apps are shown if the protocol involved only transfers delta |
| 19:47.48 | jelly | I would not consider rdp to be a secure protocol. |
| 19:48.20 | jelly | count the number of remote exploits it had, on its native platform |
| 19:48.44 | jelly | secure the traffic with vpn. |
| 19:51.56 | saint_ | yeah. i'm either doing vpn or ssh. but we have to connect those guys to multiple machines, on multiple data centers, which are not connected together. so they'd need a vpn connection per destination, which is going to be a major pain in the butt to maintain on both ends. i'd rather use ssh tunnels. X2GO allows me to set them up with remote login / IP , mount the ssh, and off they go. one application for them, multiple servers / desktops to |
| 19:51.56 | saint_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.36 | alkisg | The most important part is the network connection... I vnc over ssh to my office, but I have a 100 mbps line on both sides (and low latency); so it's very snappy |
| 19:54.09 | alkisg | saint_: is "remote disk" an option instead of "remote desktop"? If so, it feels a lot faster. E.g. VM over SSHFS... |
| 19:56.34 | jelly | saint_, vpn does not have to be peer-to-peer, set up a vpn server and connect all the endpoint into that network |
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| 19:57.16 | jelly | I have my own machines in 5-6 datacenters, all in the same /24 |
| 19:58.01 | saint_ | jelly I cant connect the endpoints together. they're all different companies |
| 19:58.38 | saint_ | alkisg not an option. the goal is to run proprietary applications locally on those servers. good point though. |
| 19:58.45 | jelly | saint_, you can still connect them to the same vpn server and allow traffic routing accordingly |
| 19:59.41 | saint_ | jelly i could. but then i'm adding a point of failure with this new server in the middle. and it's going to add latency instead of them ssh'ing directly to the end servers |
| 20:00.07 | saint_ | oilRig -> vpnServer -> Destination vs oilRig -> DesinationOverSSH |
| 20:01.00 | jelly | saint_, ssh is still tcp-inside-tcp and a decent vpn won't be |
| 20:01.01 | saint_ | I added 2GB Ram on my test VM. seems smoother. I'll keep doing testing and see how it goes. Might try LXDE tomorrow. |
| 20:01.14 | alkisg | RDP over SSH port forwarding is also possible, when double encryption/security makes sense... Or just rdp with some firewall restrictions for some added security... |
| 20:01.41 | jelly | if you want to do GUI with X give the system at least 4GB RAM (well, depends on the app workload) |
| 20:01.59 | saint_ | jelly not much workload. |
| 20:02.04 | alkisg | saint_: one thing to test is with or without compositor. Also, MATE has a "detect remote desktop and stop effects" infrastructure by sunweaver |
| 20:02.18 | jelly | I wouldn't put a Linux GUI on a machine with < 4GB, and I wouldn't run a browser without 8GB RAM |
| 20:02.55 | saint_ | jelly ok. let me try to increase size of this test vm. definitely better now with 2gb than 1. |
| 20:03.07 | jelly | saint_, measure first, then increase |
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| 20:03.41 | jelly | run "vmstat 1", log in and click things, see whether there's enough cache and whether there's active swapping |
| 20:04.33 | jelly | (si, so columns = reading from swap, writing to swap) |
| 20:04.44 | saint_ | you'd be surprise on how those companies are so cheap. drives me nuts. we have about 2,700 users to run on this new setup , connecting to 387 servers. say hello to my summer nightmare . |
| 20:05.16 | jelly | figure out what you need to make things smooth, then tell them why and how much it's going to cost |
| 20:05.30 | saint_ | but that's better than a job where you have nothing to do and get bored i guess, lol.. |
| 20:05.52 | jelly | sure, with 400 VMs adding 1GB to each adds up fast |
| 20:06.19 | saint_ | jelly their mentality is "if you can't do what we want you to do, at the price we want or cheaper, then we'll use someone else". I wouldnt care if i was running under loads of $$$$ but that s not the case... |
| 20:06.58 | jelly | I'd do a PoC where everything works great, then tell them how much $$$ |
| 20:07.01 | saint_ | i spoke to another company about this client. someone they used to deal with. those guys told me "yeah you can keep them. nobody wants them" ... |
| 20:07.58 | alkisg | Connecting to amazon workspaces via linux clients also works well with low bandwidth. If they can afford it, it'll be quite easy to set up |
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| 20:08.07 | saint_ | you know the client who's a pest and will call you for every little thing that they cant point out? like "My computer is not working" ... well.. define "not working"... like.. not turning on? not on the network? application crashing? "It's not working, check it out"... that's this type of client. E V E R Y fuck!ng day. |
| 20:08.26 | saint_ | alkisg yeah! I was thinking about that. Used Amazon WorkSpaces in the past, loved it. |
| 20:08.37 | jelly | and then you charge per call and per hour |
| 20:08.40 | saint_ | THat might be a good solution actually. I'll try to bring this up again. |
| 20:08.56 | saint_ | jelly if I do that -no disrespect- they'll send their business in India.. |
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| 20:09.50 | jelly | 'swhy I don't like working with end users |
| 20:09.51 | saint_ | alkisg the only thing though - i dont rememebver - does your workspace keep the same IP address when you connect to it then have to go out on the internet ? |
| 20:10.24 | saint_ | jelly what country are you located in ? |
| 20:11.16 | jelly | se europe |
| 20:11.19 | alkisg | saint_: I helped in setting it up but I'm not using it myself so not sure. I guess it would keep the ip as long as you close the rdp client without fully logging out |
| 20:11.57 | saint_ | alkisg i have an AWS account, i'll mount one up and try it again. thanks for that. i totally forgot about this. |
| 20:13.18 | saint_ | jelly i work with americanos :) like in the movies. they want it now at a dirt cheap price. good business at the end, but someitmes you have to suffer. no good health care here. and nowadays with this shit virus going on and business closing, i do my best to achieve expected goals, and even better. i like the challenge though. keeps your brain going .. :) |
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| 20:15.56 | saint_ | alkisg looks like IP is kept |
| 20:15.56 | saint_ | https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=160102 |
| 20:15.56 | alkisg | Nice |
| 20:16.30 | saint_ | so basically an internal address, then i need to setup a VPC, and this will guaranty the same public IP address. i'll look into it. |
| 20:16.42 | saint_ | on this note, back to my tests. thanks all for the chat and hints. |
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| 20:30.05 | saint_ | I added an extra 2GB, and it's night and day with 4GB RAM now. Thanks for whoever recommended this. I was going cheap :) Lesson learned. |
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| 20:33.44 | useless-eater | hi guys, is there a nice way to send browser traffic to another router than default route? |
| 20:35.19 | greycat | If you can run the browser as a separate UID, you can mark its packets with iptables and route based on the marks. |
| 20:35.46 | useless-eater | yeah, thats a good idea |
| 20:35.54 | another | don't even have to mark them |
| 20:36.01 | another | you can just route based on uid |
| 20:36.11 | another | alternatively, run in a netns |
| 20:38.14 | useless-eater | thanks guys! |
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| 20:40.05 | useless-eater | wtf, netns?! Where have you been all my life? |
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| 21:11.22 | ld | hello, i downloaded a buster livecd iso and followed the procedure in 4.3.3 to create a usb install medium |
| 21:11.45 | ld | it successfully boots to an installer, but the installer fails at the "detect and mount cd-rom" step |
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| 21:17.15 | jmcnaught | ld: what was the exact command you used to copy the ISO to USB? |
| 21:17.57 | ld | pv debian.iso > /mnt/debian.iso |
| 21:18.08 | ld | different filename though |
| 21:18.55 | jmcnaught | ld: you want to follow the instructions at 4.3.1: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
| 21:19.07 | jmcnaught | ld: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" |
| 21:19.33 | ld | I want to do the 4.3.3 method so I can include nonfree firmware during install |
| 21:20.18 | greycat | !firmware images |
| 21:20.18 | dpkg | There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software. They are otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>. |
| 21:20.27 | jmcnaught | ld: then either use an unofficial non-free firmware image, or create a partition in the remaining space after following the steps in 4.3.1 |
| 21:20.56 | ld | It wouldn't allow me to create a partition in the remaining free space after 4.3.1 |
| 21:21.59 | jmcnaught | What wouldn't? fdisk? |
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| 21:24.46 | ld | oh I see, I didn't notice the footnote, I should have used a debian CD ROM or Netinstall image, not a livecd image |
| 21:27.44 | somiaj | ld: there are firmware live images as well, what firwamre do you need (most likely it is in the firwmare images) |
| 21:29.30 | ld | its for a intel wifi 6 ax201 chip |
| 21:30.28 | jmcnaught | ld: according to https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi this chip requires Linux 5.2, so you might need more than a firmware to get it working in buster |
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| 21:31.37 | ld | another system with the same chipset and wifi has it working with a kernel and iwlwifi from backports |
| 21:31.55 | somiaj | ld: the live images/installer won't have them, you'll have to install them after the effect. |
| 21:32.08 | somiaj | ld: or just use a bullseye installer (it is nearing its release) |
| 21:32.26 | somiaj | arg after the fact |
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| 21:32.47 | ld | will installing bullseye now be less of a mess than upgrading later |
| 21:33.00 | ld | from buster |
| 21:33.43 | ld | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 21:34.18 | somiaj | ld: both are supported, though installing bullseye directly would be one less step |
| 21:34.42 | somiaj | ld: just note you won't have full security support until the actual release, but I hear it is going to be in the next 1-2 months. |
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| 22:11.29 | FightingFalcon | How come debian repository doesnt provide mariadb 10.5? |
| 22:11.50 | dvs | ,v mariadb |
| 22:11.51 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 22:11.56 | dvs | ,v maria |
| 22:11.57 | judd | Package: maria on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3.5-4; stretch: 1.3.5-4.1; buster: 1.3.5-4.1+b1; bullseye: 1.3.5-4.1+b2; sid: 1.3.5-4.1+b2 |
| 22:12.06 | FightingFalcon | huh |
| 22:12.17 | jmcnaught | ,v mariadb-server |
| 22:12.18 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.38-0+deb8u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.37-0+deb9u1; stretch: 10.1.45-0+deb9u1; buster-security: 1:10.3.25-0+deb10u1; buster: 1:10.3.27-0+deb10u1; bullseye: 1:10.5.9-1; sid: 1:10.5.9-1 |
| 22:12.43 | jmcnaught | FightingFalcon: 10.5 will be in Debian 11/bullseye when it gets released |
| 22:12.59 | FightingFalcon | i have stretch |
| 22:13.06 | FightingFalcon | shall i upgrade to 10.5? |
| 22:13.35 | dvs | FightingFalcon: Debian is up to 10.9 actually |
| 22:14.16 | FightingFalcon | ? |
| 22:14.25 | sney | !10.9 |
| 22:14.25 | dpkg | Debian 10.9 was released on Mar 27th 2021. his point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210327 and http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 22:14.28 | jmcnaught | FightingFalcon: Once a Debian release is released its packages stay at the same version for the rest of the release life cycle. Stretch will always have the same version of mariadb (10.1), buster will always have 10.3 |
| 22:14.47 | FightingFalcon | So how come i have 10.3? |
| 22:15.08 | jmcnaught | FightingFalcon: did you install it from stretch-backports? |
| 22:15.17 | mutante | apt-cache policy mariadb-server |
| 22:15.20 | FightingFalcon | nope, from another repository |
| 22:15.40 | jmcnaught | FightingFalcon: so that's why. It also is not in stetch-backports, my mistake. |
| 22:16.35 | jmcnaught | FightingFalcon: if you use the mariadb packages provided by Debian then you are using the version that was released with that Debian release. Security fixes are backported. Only in rare cicrcumstances (and for browsers) do version numbers change in a Debian release. |
| 22:17.02 | FightingFalcon | I see |
| 22:18.06 | sney | you should update that stretch system when you can, it only has LTS for another year |
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| 22:19.34 | ld | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html |
| 22:19.38 | ld | just in terms of understanding |
| 22:19.48 | ld | how is the result of 4.3.3.2 ever supposed to work |
| 22:20.22 | ld | how would the bootloader ever know that the iso sitting alongside the vmlinuz and initrd.gz was to be used as cd media |
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| 22:20.58 | ld | it never tells you to specify "when the kernel is loaded, tell it MyImage.iso is a CD ROM" |
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| 22:21.18 | sney | presumably the initrd has logic to look for debian-$ver iso files. I haven't used the 4.3.3 method in years though |
| 22:24.10 | FightingFalcon | sney, can i upgrade my stretch to buster? |
| 22:24.12 | FightingFalcon | is it safe? |
| 22:24.39 | sney | dpkg: stretch->buster |
| 22:24.40 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/JFKc . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "stretch" to "buster", remove lines like stretch-backports, debian-multimedia <dmo>, and other 3rd party repos as they are known to cause issues then do: apt update && apt upgrade && apt full-upgrade |
| 22:24.57 | sney | debian releases are designed to upgrade over previous releases. it generally works. |
| 22:25.50 | ryouma | i got intimidated by the release notes for stretch to buster as there were some issues it pointed out that seemed complex, but probably it is ok if you're normal |
| 22:28.56 | FightingFalcon | isnt a fresh install better? |
| 22:29.56 | ryouma | it can be a lot of work comparatively unless you are a wiz who can pre-configure stuff and use configuration management stuff and so on |
| 22:30.18 | FightingFalcon | I better wait for the next version: bullseye |
| 22:30.19 | ryouma | debian is designed to be both upgraded and dist-upgraded |
| 22:31.12 | FightingFalcon | Sop |
| 22:31.13 | FightingFalcon | So |
| 22:31.22 | FightingFalcon | Shall i take a snapshot and give it a go? |
| 22:32.51 | dvs | FightingFalcon: you have to upgrade to buster to get to bullseye |
| 22:33.15 | ryouma | poll: did anybody have horro stories from stretch to buster? |
| 22:33.36 | ryouma | or even more than minor issues |
| 22:34.24 | sney | nothing that I remember specifically |
| 22:34.48 | ryouma | there was something about network interface names |
| 22:34.57 | ryouma | but maybe that is also transparent to the user |
| 22:35.42 | FightingFalcon | How can i find out the servers or programs that in install and set the start when the debian restarts? |
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| 22:36.47 | ryouma | FightingFalcon: unclear q to me. do you mean initramfs, kernel, grub? |
| 22:37.20 | FightingFalcon | Whats the file called like you tell a program to run every x hours etc |
| 22:38.49 | ryouma | cron |
| 22:38.54 | FightingFalcon | yes |
| 22:38.55 | FightingFalcon | thanks |
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| 22:43.59 | buu | Debian stretch is receiving security updates, right? |
| 22:44.09 | FightingFalcon | yes |
| 22:44.12 | sney | it has LTS until mid 2022 |
| 22:45.16 | ryouma | buu: mostly. some packages might not have support i think. try running check-support-status |
| 22:45.47 | sney | some info here as well https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Stretch |
| 22:45.50 | buu | So this says I'm up to date with libc-bin 2.24-11+deb9u4 |
| 22:46.31 | buu | But I'm looking at this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=878159 which says "Fixed in version glibc/2.26.9000+20180127.7e23a7dd-0experimental0 |
| 22:46.32 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/878159 in libc6 (forwarded, fixed-upstream, upstream, security): «glibc: CVE-2018-6485: Integer overflow in posix_memalign»; severity: minor; opened: 2017-10-10; last modified: 2018-02-02. |
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| 22:47.18 | buu | So do I need 2.26 for this cve to be fixed? |
| 22:48.43 | sney | if you are affected by that cve, and you need a fix in your environment, the only option is to upgrade to buster. |
| 22:49.25 | ryouma | and that should be showing in check-support-status? |
| 22:49.27 | sney | but before you panic, you should read the bug report and the flaw description more closely. most of the time these little glibc vulnerabilities are only exploitable in very narrow/rare circumstances, if at all |
| 22:49.51 | buu | Oh I'm definitely not panicking |
| 22:50.16 | buu | I am however fighting this stupid bureaucratic process that involves and idiotic "cve scanner" |
| 22:50.25 | sney | the debian security team considers this issue 'minor' like a lot of stuff https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-6485 |
| 22:50.34 | sney | ah, figures |
| 22:50.38 | buu | But this magic program I must obey think it's critical! |
| 22:50.46 | buu | =[ |
| 22:51.17 | ryouma | huh, on a stretch box check-support-status is not showing that one |
| 22:51.38 | buu | hm |
| 22:52.01 | buu | This is actually the postgres:9.5 docker image |
| 22:52.08 | buu | I wonder if the -alpine one will magically pass |
| 22:52.54 | buu | oh but we use postgresql-plperl |
| 22:53.00 | buu | Woe is me |
| 22:54.55 | FightingFalcon | If i take a snapshot, try to update and fail, i can safely revert back right? |
| 22:55.14 | sney | that's what that term usually means |
| 22:55.27 | sney | though I don't think you've said what kind of snapshot |
| 22:55.44 | FightingFalcon | hetzner says take a snapshot |
| 22:55.55 | FightingFalcon | anyways |
| 22:55.57 | FightingFalcon | im going to sleep |
| 22:55.59 | FightingFalcon | gn |
| 22:58.19 | ryouma | i have heard that btrfs can fix broken upgrades by surrounding the upgrades with a snapshot, but idk if that's true or if it is supported for that in that version |
| 22:58.42 | sney | maybe they meant lvm? or a vm hypervisor? who knows |
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| 22:59.31 | sney | buu: and I suppose you need postgres-9, or you'd be on buster already. I hope your org lets you put 'wontfix' on a ticket if it's for a good reason. |
| 23:00.15 | buu | ha ha ha |
| 23:00.21 | buu | I like your optimism! |
| 23:00.35 | ld | it is really frustrating that big sections of the most basic tasks in the documentation are out of date |
| 23:00.54 | ld | the install instructions have no hope of working |
| 23:01.02 | ld | worse the installer lies to you about files that it needs |
| 23:01.34 | ld | "i want to install debian" is not a task covered by the debian documentaiton |
| 23:01.48 | sney | ld: file a bug, but are you sure you didn't miss the part about how 4.3.1 is the only part most people need, and 4.3.2 begins with "an alternative way..."? |
| 23:02.11 | sney | ld: the vast majority of installs succeed with a netinst or cd1/dvd1 written directly to flash media and booted. |
| 23:02.26 | sney | the extra stuff below that is *only* for special cases. |
| 23:02.27 | ld | those also involve destroying whatever else was on my flash drive |
| 23:03.24 | sney | yes, if you are attached to whatever is on there already, you should back it up to more reliable media in any case |
| 23:03.40 | ld | ??? |
| 23:04.03 | ld | that has nothing to do with what i said |
| 23:04.20 | ld | i am filing a bug report |
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| 23:04.25 | sney | you're worried about overwriting your flash drive. I'm telling you a flash drive is not a good place to store something. |
| 23:04.29 | sney | yes, file a bug report. |
| 23:06.11 | sney | also: since 4.3.3.1 refers explicitly to mkdosfs and install-mbr, I suspect it's only supported by bios/legacy hardware and not efi. |
| 23:07.29 | ld | that still has nothing to do with what i said |
| 23:07.34 | maxtim | I'm having a strange issue with USB 3 ports. I first thought it was the RTL-SDR causing the issue, but the same behavior has been seen with several USB thumb drive. It first drops the port, then drops my NIC. dmesg remports 'enp4s0: NIC Up: 1 Gbps Full' link down, link up... repeat |
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| 23:08.56 | maxtim | It's super bizarre. Any ideas how to troubleshoot? |
| 23:10.34 | maxtim | *alx nic driver |
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| 23:11.12 | sappheiros | Wooo I made it to step 1! "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt." I'll search now to see if this is in FAQ ... |
| 23:11.23 | sney | maxtim: is that nic also usb? |
| 23:11.48 | maxtim | nope sney it's on the mobo |
| 23:13.07 | sney | maxtim: hard to say, but it smells like possibly a power issue. |
| 23:13.41 | ryouma | what type of solution are you looking for? --- 16:02 <ld> those also involve destroying whatever else was on my flash drive |
| 23:13.46 | sappheiros | Isn't this what I want to get started (with ethernet cable plugged into the machine i'm trying to USB-install Debian into)? https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 23:13.47 | ryouma | pardon me if i am missing something |
| 23:14.41 | sney | sappheiros: most start with https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.9.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 23:14.54 | sney | and specifically the netinst iso |
| 23:14.59 | sappheiros | and i can use macos terminal to write this CD iso onto a USB stick? |
| 23:15.17 | sney | probably. |
| 23:15.18 | sappheiros | yes, says that page |
| 23:15.30 | sney | I haven't done that in osx but I don't see why not. |
| 23:15.43 | maxtim | sney, a 600W PSU with a GTX 960 and not much else... |
| 23:16.15 | sappheiros | Is https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/10.9.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso specifically for putting Debian on a Mac computer? |
| 23:16.21 | maxtim | that does sound right, but how to be sure i wonder |
| 23:16.40 | sney | maxtim: if it's a power issue, it would be with that PSU (or maybe the motherboard vrm) failing, rather than not having enough watts |
| 23:17.01 | sney | you could also check for an efi update from the mb vendor, sometimes that can help |
| 23:17.47 | maxtim | i actually just recently went looking for mobo updates. it's a little old, maybe 2015ish. |
| 23:18.07 | sney | sappheiros: the page has a description of the mac iso, depending on the age of your computer it may be what you need |
| 23:18.32 | sappheiros | step 0. stop being impatient and read more carefully ... gotcha, thanks |
| 23:18.56 | maxtim | PSU feels right though.... I'll look into that |
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| 23:33.00 | sappheiros | Do you want feedback on that page? Or should I submit it elsewhere? the bs=4M command option threw an error for me. |
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| 23:33.35 | sappheiros | seems this macOS wants 4m, not 4M ... |
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| 23:33.56 | maxrazer | Somehow my SSD storage went from hundreds of GB free to only 25GB free and I'm getting errors in applications about not enough storage space. Does anyone know how I can figure out where all my storage went? |
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| 23:36.13 | ryouma | maxrazer: du is a good place to start |
| 23:36.17 | sappheiros | I just copied the netinst.iso following the directions but I'm _still_ getting "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt." I'll try putting it into each USB slot to see if it's checking one in particular for boot media ... do you have another recommendation? |
| 23:38.06 | sappheiros | checks https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#usb-boot |
| 23:38.08 | ryouma | maxrazer: it is peculiar that your applications would require so much that they would error with a lot free like that though |
| 23:38.14 | ryouma | maxrazer: so fsck might be warranted |
| 23:38.51 | segamain | Is this Normal ? happens sometimes before the Desktop environment shows up |
| 23:38.54 | ryouma | i wonder if ext4 fixed the bug that directories can get bigger but never smaller |
| 23:38.55 | segamain | https://imgur.com/a/fjIK0HD |
| 23:39.29 | ryouma | but that woould not be related most likely |
| 23:41.38 | sappheiros | I was able to access the boot menu through F11 but it still went to "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt"! :( I wrote the iso to USB using this command after verifying the sha512 signature: sudo dd if=/Users/user/Downloads/debian-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk3s1 bs=4m; sync |
| 23:42.30 | sappheiros | and it said 84+1 records in 84+1 records out presumably successfully executing (~353 Mb transferred in ~49 s) |
| 23:42.49 | jmcnaught | sappheiros: is /dev/disk3s1 the whole drive, or a partition? |
| 23:42.54 | maxrazer | ryouma, Ok, " du -hs * | sort -h" says that "gpodder" has taken up 390G. So that is where 390G suddenly went in the blink of an eye. |
| 23:43.20 | sappheiros | jmcnaught: it's the fat32 partition; i followed the tutorial at https://osxdaily.com/2015/06/05/copy-iso-to-usb-drive-mac-os-x-command/ |
| 23:43.42 | sappheiros | i'll try repeating the dd identifying the main drive instead of that partition, then...(right?) ... |
| 23:43.56 | jmcnaught | sappheiros: Debian ISO images need to be copied to a device, not a partition. |
| 23:44.33 | sappheiros | thank you. so i will use /dev/disk2 instead of /dev/disk2s1 ... |
| 23:45.08 | segamain | sappheiros: delete the partitions on the usb if u have any and try again |
| 23:45.46 | jmcnaught | When you copy an image to a drive it writes over anything that was already there, partitions included. |
| 23:45.59 | maxrazer | Somehow my ~/gPodder/Downloads folder is 390G according to "du" |
| 23:46.00 | sappheiros | so there's no risk in using dd straightaway without erasing? |
| 23:46.21 | maxrazer | yet, when I look in that folder I see no large files. |
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| 23:46.43 | ryouma | maxrazer: that takes teh cake |
| 23:46.57 | jmcnaught | sappheiros: you do not need to delete anything or pre-format the drive before you copy the Debian ISO image to it. |
| 23:47.14 | ryouma | i mean, you could hardly find a torrent that large |
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| 23:47.48 | ryouma | maxrazer: du has an optio to show files |
| 23:47.56 | ryouma | or ls -a can sort byu size |
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| 23:51.52 | maxrazer | Maybe all the files in downloads added up to 390G. Maybe I accidentally told gpodder to download every podcast I was subscribed to?!?! |
| 23:52.24 | maxrazer | I just deleted all the files in the gPodder/Downloads file and it freed up 390G. |
| 23:53.01 | maxrazer | That is scary. I wonder if that could cause problems with my ISP. |
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| 23:59.17 | sappheiros | :D Thank you. Is it okay if I leave now that the installer is partitioning the hard drive (to dine with friends), or should I stay to finish the entire installation before leaving? |
| 23:59.39 | sappheiros | ("The installer is now overwriting [...] to prevent meta-informaiton leaks [...]") |
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