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| 01:40.14 | karlpinc | I'd appreciate anyone who's interested in confirming that this SAMBA/Kerberos bug exists in Debian (either buster or bullseye). Bug#986168 |
| 01:40.37 | karlpinc | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=986168 |
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| 02:08.29 | johnjay | is there a list of the default packages installed by netinst somewhere? |
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| 02:08.40 | pigasus | am I suppose to remove the package? |
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| 02:11.31 | somiaj | johnjay: it is hard to say, since there is so much variety depending on what desktop you select at the end. |
| 02:11.36 | somiaj | johnjay: what is it you really want to know? |
| 02:12.08 | fmlatghor | I apologise if this has been brought up before; I am reading the Debian Free Software guidelines, and what confuses me is rule 9 is that the license must not "contaminate" other software, while the example license section links to GPLv3 as a free software license. |
| 02:12.14 | johnjay | i thought gcc and gdb were not installed by default. but this arm64 image i used to install has it |
| 02:12.42 | johnjay | i'm not sure if i used stretch or buster |
| 02:12.58 | somiaj | again 'default' os vague, but it really shouldn't matter, just use apt to install/remove stuff you want/don't want. |
| 02:13.23 | somiaj | At the end of the net-install you make some choices, those choices will affect what is installed |
| 02:14.55 | somiaj | fmlatghor: so you feel gplv3 contaminates other software? |
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| 02:15.40 | fmlatghor | somiaj: You don't think so? |
| 02:16.06 | fmlatghor | Doesn't it require other things that's linked to it to be under GPLv3 too? |
| 02:16.35 | somiaj | why do you think that? What about the gplv3 prevents distributing other free (or even non-free) software. |
| 02:16.53 | fmlatghor | I don't know. |
| 02:17.43 | somiaj | Linking to other libaries is a bit different |
| 02:22.11 | somiaj | you may like to know that gnu docs are often in non-free because they don't meet the DSFG, but I think what you are refering too is if some other software requires decides to link against gpl software, it too must be gpl, but this only affects software which uses/links gpl software, and not all software (i.e. there is no clause that all software in debian must be gplv3 for instance) |
| 02:22.21 | fmlatghor | somiaj: This is what's confusing me https://stackoverflow.com/a/11752204 |
| 02:22.28 | fmlatghor | I hear these sorta things |
| 02:22.41 | somiaj | though I don't know the details that well, was hoping I could find some discussion on debian-legal about this, but didn't find anything |
| 02:23.17 | fmlatghor | somiaj: Though if a library was licensed under GPLv3 and something linked to it, that would also have to be under GPLv3? |
| 02:23.53 | somiaj | yea, there are a lot of people who don't like gpl (call it copy-left), but I don't think this is against the DSFG because it only affects software that chooses to use gpl software as its base or link against it, which is different than forcing all software to gpl. |
| 02:24.09 | fmlatghor | Ah i see |
| 02:24.16 | fmlatghor | because the DSFG says "included" |
| 02:24.23 | fmlatghor | thanks for the explanation, somiaj |
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| 02:25.33 | somiaj | so basically if you choose to use software (even link to it), you do have to follow its license, so I think gpl ends up meeting the dsfg because it only affects software that links to the software and not all software. If you browse the debian-legal mailing list you may find a better discussion about this (I am very nieve on the details) |
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| 02:28.02 | fmlatghor | So is that rule 7? |
| 02:29.40 | somiaj | not exactly, that is more saying well you can only use this software for education reasons, but cannto use it for commercial (i.e. the rights must apply to all who use it) |
| 02:30.00 | fmlatghor | ah |
| 02:30.09 | johnjay | somiaj: i thought there was a separate LGPL for libraries? |
| 02:30.27 | fmlatghor | There is |
| 02:30.32 | fmlatghor | but we're talking about GPLv3 |
| 02:30.56 | fmlatghor | I thought Lesser and Library were the same thing but I'm not sure |
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| 02:33.37 | fmlatghor | Looking at this they do seem to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Lesser_General_Public_License#History |
| 02:33.45 | fmlatghor | or were |
| 02:34.06 | somiaj | Though that I think is beyond what you asked, the essence of what you asked is 'why does requring anything that is linked to or is built upon your software to also use your license not considered contaminanting' |
| 02:34.38 | somiaj | and I think it is because this clause referse to completely independent software. If you use someones code (either build on it or link to it), they can restrict how it is used. |
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| 02:37.08 | somiaj | Note some gpl zealots would love it if everything was forced to be gpl, but at least the license is limited only to any software that is bulit using that chode. |
| 02:37.42 | somiaj | so if the gpl forced all software distributed with it to also be gpl, that would break that containamation clause, which the gpl doesn't. |
| 02:40.37 | somiaj | fmlatghor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft |
| 02:40.51 | fmlatghor | Yes I have read that |
| 02:40.59 | fmlatghor | or it least the introductory paragraph |
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| 04:01.50 | nightowl | Hi there. Why is there no phpmyadmin package for Debian? |
| 04:02.49 | gateway2000 | its in buster backports |
| 04:03.18 | nightowl | Will it be included moving forward? |
| 04:03.30 | nightowl | I'm wondering if there's a specific reason it's not included in buster |
| 04:03.39 | gateway2000 | yes you can check here https://packages.debian.org/stretch/phpmyadmin |
| 04:05.06 | nightowl | So it'll be coming back in bullseye? |
| 04:05.25 | gateway2000 | yes |
| 04:05.51 | nightowl | Cool. Do you happen to know if it's safe to use / maintained in backports? |
| 04:06.15 | gateway2000 | personally i've never had a problem with a package from backports |
| 04:06.56 | nightowl | I see. It's for a web server, and I just want to be sure I'm running the most up to date / secure package. I'm not sure what the policy is on updates for backports. |
| 04:08.09 | gateway2000 | some policy info here: https://backports.debian.org/ |
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| 04:10.35 | nightowl | Wow. I always thought backports meant packages from the previous release. |
| 04:10.53 | nightowl | Thank you. Learned something new. Backports are from the next future release. Cool! |
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| 04:11.23 | gateway2000 | sure thing |
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| 05:55.00 | rustyshackleford | I had a headless server plugged into my router |
| 05:55.31 | rustyshackleford | anyway, got a new router and now this server isn't showing up on my network |
| 05:56.40 | rustyshackleford | anyway... I don't have a monitor nearby where this laptop is plugged in to ethernet |
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| 05:57.01 | rustyshackleford | I'm at a loss of how to fix this situation haha. I can move the computer to my monitor, but no network connection then |
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| 06:00.17 | abff | rustyshackleford: thats rough man you might have to get some sort of monitor to access that for emergencies |
| 06:00.35 | rustyshackleford | abff: yeah poor planning |
| 06:00.43 | rustyshackleford | abff: can I ssh from my laptop over USB? |
| 06:01.13 | abff | I don't know, I feel like it should be possible |
| 06:02.19 | rustyshackleford | I figured that when I plugged in the ethernet cable, it would just connect |
| 06:02.53 | rustyshackleford | even though its a new router. Its been a while, I don't remember what I had to do to make the ethernet work |
| 06:03.26 | abff | did you have your server manually setting its ip? |
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| 06:03.59 | abff | if it's not querying dhcp for an address then it might just be on the wrong subnet |
| 06:04.06 | rustyshackleford | abff: I don't think so |
| 06:04.16 | rustyshackleford | I had a static ip set up on the router |
| 06:04.34 | rustyshackleford | and I guess the startup/installer usb disk must have set whatever configs necessary |
| 06:04.41 | rustyshackleford | I don't recall doing any settings manually |
| 06:04.49 | abff | I mean all this speculation is moot until you can troubleshoot |
| 06:04.56 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: USB cable no but you can plug a network cable between your laptop and that computer, and set a static IP on the laptop in the same subnet |
| 06:05.32 | abff | ratrace: I was thinking just temporarily switch back to the old router to config the server to auto obtain ip |
| 06:05.43 | ratrace | or that |
| 06:06.15 | rustyshackleford | hmm that could work actually |
| 06:06.16 | ratrace | or maybe the new router is defaulting to new subnet, isn't aware of teh old one and doesn't route? |
| 06:06.50 | abff | could also try to changr the new routers subnet to match the old |
| 06:07.10 | abff | mirror the config of the old one |
| 06:07.25 | rustyshackleford | what's easiest? I'll try laptop to server over ethernet first |
| 06:07.56 | abff | I don't know how that works |
| 06:08.08 | abff | I think NICs all have that capability now |
| 06:08.27 | abff | but I've got a switch for that because learning new things is hard |
| 06:08.36 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: the easiest is checking the router config, maybe it's setting up wrong subnet. |
| 06:08.57 | rustyshackleford | well the old router used 192.x.x.x ip addresses |
| 06:09.08 | rustyshackleford | this gateway uses 10.x.x.x ip addresses |
| 06:09.12 | ratrace | eg. you router thinks it's in 192.168.1.0/24, but the static computer is in 10.0.0.0/24 or something |
| 06:09.19 | abff | that'll do it |
| 06:10.07 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: so teh computer you can't access is in 192.168.0.0/16 somewhere? you should definitely match that on the router or otherwise set it up to route there. dunno what kind of "router" it is |
| 06:10.49 | rustyshackleford | ratrace: unfortunately its what Comcast gave me |
| 06:11.04 | abff | be wary, some routers by default use 192.168.1.0/24 and some use 192.168.0.0/24 etc etc. . . I always use 192.168.11.0/24 because then I never forget to config ;) |
| 06:11.08 | rustyshackleford | I used to have it in bridged mode, with my own router. But some new equipment requires me to use the gateway instead |
| 06:11.49 | abff | god I hate isps |
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| 06:12.27 | abff | I think using the old router, configuring the server to run auto/dhcp is easiest |
| 06:12.39 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: it's maybe one of those cheap, single subnet things then. see that it runs DHCP in the 192.168.0.0/16 that you desire, OR maybe it has ability to set up a static route |
| 06:12.48 | abff | then fix it back to static on rhe new router |
| 06:13.08 | rustyshackleford | the gateway can set static ip's |
| 06:13.11 | rustyshackleford | 99% sure |
| 06:13.14 | ratrace | maybe. even with dhcp it might get a "static" IP based on its MAC, so you probably won't need DNS |
| 06:13.29 | rustyshackleford | is there an etc file that would have the old router's config written? |
| 06:13.32 | ratrace | "static" = always the same one assigned by dhcp |
| 06:14.02 | rustyshackleford | in /etc/network/interfaces maybe? |
| 06:14.26 | ratrace | the question doens't make much sense. |
| 06:14.41 | ratrace | the computers in teh network that are set up for static IP will show you the subnet they're in |
| 06:14.52 | ratrace | otherwise, whether the router has /etc/ .... who knows. |
| 06:15.17 | ratrace | and... running dhcp with the new router will shows you the subnet it wants to set up |
| 06:15.43 | rustyshackleford | not the router, but the server |
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| 06:19.33 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: on the server itself, yes |
| 06:19.36 | rustyshackleford | ratrace: I think its a server config and not the router. I've plugged in other devices to the router via ethernet, and it connects no problem |
| 06:19.47 | ratrace | other devices are static IP or dhcp? |
| 06:20.47 | rustyshackleford | dhcp |
| 06:20.54 | ratrace | then you're comparing apples and oranges |
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| 06:21.10 | rustyshackleford | sorry my networking knowledge is shit |
| 06:21.31 | rustyshackleford | what's wrong with what I'm saying? |
| 06:21.52 | rustyshackleford | I expected to plug in this server, DHCP would assign an IP address for this device, and boom it works |
| 06:22.02 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: if the subnet is different, as you said, used to be 192.168/16 and is nw 10/8, then it's likely the new router has no idea it has to route to 192.168/16 |
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| 06:22.19 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: why would you expect that if you said the server was configured for static IP? |
| 06:22.37 | rustyshackleford | static IP was a setting on the old router |
| 06:22.47 | ratrace | where was that setting? |
| 06:22.57 | rustyshackleford | in the settings of the old router |
| 06:23.15 | ratrace | IP of what? of the server? |
| 06:23.41 | ratrace | or the router? |
| 06:24.11 | rustyshackleford | there was a setting in the old router to assign a static IP address for the server |
| 06:24.20 | ratrace | based on what, DHCP + MAC? |
| 06:24.52 | ratrace | because I'm not sure I follow you any more. each device must set its own IP address. Either from a static config, or by asking the network for a DHCP lease. |
| 06:25.13 | ratrace | the only way the router can set a "static" IP on the server is if it actually did DHCP but always assigned the same IP to that machine, based on its MAC address |
| 06:25.24 | rustyshackleford | I think that must be how it worked |
| 06:25.27 | ratrace | (based on MAC of the DHCP lease query) |
| 06:25.30 | rustyshackleford | I connected to the network |
| 06:25.53 | rustyshackleford | and then I selected that device in the router's settings |
| 06:26.03 | rustyshackleford | so that this device always has the same ip address |
| 06:26.08 | rustyshackleford | is that not typical? |
| 06:26.11 | ratrace | _alternatively_ that's a switch and it assigned routing to specific ehternet port or vlan but..... that's likely not the case if that's a "comcast router" |
| 06:26.55 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: dunno. the way I set up my LAN is to have a DHCP range. I set up static IPs outside of that range (so it doesn't clash) but still within the same subnet. |
| 06:27.16 | rustyshackleford | okay I'm wasting your time here |
| 06:27.20 | ratrace | eg. 10.0.0.100-254 would be dhcp and .2-99 would be for static configs. |
| 06:27.32 | rustyshackleford | lemme ssh into the box over ethernet and see what config is there |
| 06:28.01 | ratrace | it's maybe possible you had _both_ static IP and a setup on the router but the router never actually had an effect because the server never asked for a DHCP lease |
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| 06:37.59 | phil_azing | I have a problem with my kvm host xrdp being very sluggish after opening a virt-manager virtual machine viewer. Does anyone know where I should took for clues? |
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| 06:49.22 | Razva | Hi. Can I ask some questions regarding RAID/ZFS or should I address them to another channel? |
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| 06:51.16 | Kel | Razva: Depends on the context, I suppose - ##hardware might be able to help as well. Try out your question and seee if it fits here! No harm in asking. |
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| 06:52.07 | ratrace | Razva: you can ask here or in #zfsonlinux |
| 06:52.51 | Kel | looks like they're in ##hardware as well and asking =) should be all set across the board! |
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| 06:53.42 | ratrace | doesn't sound like rigth channel for ZFS questions, tho |
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| 06:54.07 | Kel | maybe not, but they're engaging anyway. |
| 06:54.33 | Kel | closest without going over, I guess? :P |
| 06:54.44 | ratrace | AND in #zfsonlinux. crosspost galore wednesday! |
| 06:55.20 | Razva | I'm not posting here tho as I don't want to Spam :) |
| 06:55.43 | phil_azing | Should I be putting my question elsewher ir is there something wron wit the question? |
| 06:55.47 | phil_azing | I have a problem with my kvm host xrdp being very sluggish after opening a virt-manager virtual machine viewer. Does anyone know where I should took for clues? |
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| 06:57.37 | ratrace | phil_azing: thre's nothing wrong with your question. there's probably noone around with kvm+xrdp experience to offer help. I use qemu-kvm extensively, but not with xrdp, so I can't be of help, sorry. |
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| 07:01.18 | phil_azing | Thanks, I felt isolated. I realise it is unlikely to find an expert here. The logs I have looked at tell me nothing so I was wondering if there was a debug tecnique to track down long delays to keyboard and mouse actions in xrdp. |
| 07:02.01 | phil_azing | The problem is triggered after the program runs and does not clear on termination of the program |
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| 07:02.30 | phil_azing | I does terminate on session exit and logging in to xrdp again |
| 07:07.18 | phil_azing | In looking at this I found I am being hit with bug #863227 [system-config-printer] system-config-printer: applet.py does not exit with session |
| 07:07.20 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/863227 in system-config-printer (open): «system-config-printer: applet.py does not exit with session»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-05-24; last modified: 2018-02-01. |
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| 07:08.13 | phil_azing | It suggests arrange for system-config-printer-applet to connect to the X display |
| 07:08.14 | phil_azing | so that it gets killed when the X session exits. |
| 07:08.37 | phil_azing | How should I do this? |
| 07:11.22 | rustyshackleford | ratrace: so I have my laptop connected to my server via eithernet |
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| 07:12.27 | rustyshackleford | I see an IP address is system settings for ethernet on my laptop (Mac) but I can't seem to ssh into that ip address |
| 07:13.23 | ratrace | rustyshackleford: what's teh subnet of your laptop? |
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| 07:14.27 | rustyshackleford | on my laptop I see IP address: 169.254.14.134, subnet mask: 255.255.0.0 |
| 07:15.25 | ratrace | ah yes ... you're not in your dhcp network, so that's link local default. hokay, what was the IP of your server? |
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| 07:16.37 | rustyshackleford | that would be the IP address I posted, no? |
| 07:16.53 | rustyshackleford | en4: flags=8863<UP,BROADCAST,SMART,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 |
| 07:16.53 | rustyshackleford | options=50b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_HWTAGGING,AV,CHANNEL_IO> |
| 07:16.53 | rustyshackleford | ether 38:c9:86:4d:c1:c7 |
| 07:16.53 | rustyshackleford | inet6 fe80::8a4:78aa:5f83:9c44%en4 prefixlen 64 secured scopeid 0x10 |
| 07:16.53 | rustyshackleford | inet 169.254.14.134 netmask 0xffff0000 broadcast 169.254.255.255 |
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| 07:16.58 | ratrace | .. |
| 07:22.56 | rk4 | his name was rustyshackleford |
| 07:23.29 | ratrace | not the quickest gun in the west. |
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| 07:26.29 | lhoqvso | Anyone has had success configuring Nvidia as the only GPU in a laptop? (P15s Gen1) |
| 07:27.18 | ratrace | lhoqvso: sure. what problem are you having? |
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| 07:28.32 | lhoqvso | @ratrace, thanks for replying. Everytime I try I only get a black screen until I remove the .conf file |
| 07:29.01 | ratrace | lhoqvso: xorg.conf I assume? why are you using it? |
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| 07:30.06 | lhoqvso | ratrace: yes, well a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/nvidia.conf file; I bleive I need it to have only the NVIDIA as main and only GPU? |
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| 07:31.59 | ratrace | lhoqvso: oh wait, so I misunderstood your question. you have multiple GPUs (nvidia+intel) and want to use just nvidia? ie. optimius or whatsitcalled thingy? |
| 07:32.49 | lhoqvso | ratrace: Yes... if it's possible. According to: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#Using_NVIDIA_GPU_as_the_primary_GPU should be easy... and with Ubuntu or POP!OS it works fine... but not with Debian (for sure I'm doing something wrong) |
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| 07:34.06 | ratrace | lhoqvso: sorry, not sure I can be of help there. optimus is something I've been steering clear of. BUT .. post your dmesg and Xorg.0.log for the "black screen" situations, someone might help. |
| 07:34.43 | lhoqvso | ratrace: Sure, let me prepare it and I will do it! Thanks a lot for your help! |
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| 07:37.54 | ratrace | lhoqvso: btw, how are you accessing the system during "black screen" situations to remove the xorg.conf? |
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| 07:39.38 | lhoqvso | ratrace: I'm just changing the TTY to 2 then pkill Xorg |
| 07:39.50 | lhoqvso | do more testing and try again |
| 07:40.13 | lhoqvso | I'll be back in a few seconds |
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| 07:43.47 | lhoqvso | ratrace: I'm back and here it's the Xorg.0.log: https://termbin.com/239e3 |
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| 07:45.07 | lhoqvso | ratrace: and here my nvidia.conf file: https://termbin.com/vvy5 |
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| 07:54.52 | ratrace | lhoqvso: is that Xorg.0.log made when you were switched to TTY2? what about dmesg? |
| 07:55.21 | ratrace | lhoqvso: also, you're using the proprietary driver, yes? |
| 07:55.45 | lhoqvso | ratrace: sorry, I forgot the dmesg, I will do it now. Yes, I'm using the propietary driver |
| 07:55.55 | lhoqvso | I will be right back in 2 minutes |
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| 07:58.48 | lhoqvso | ratrace: Here it is, the dmesg: https://termbin.com/369a |
| 08:00.07 | lhoqvso | ratrace: It can be the part of the problems are because I'm using a docking station and the displaylink driver but... I think I have also tried without and had the same issues |
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| 08:12.37 | wrksx | Mornin guys |
| 08:13.04 | wrksx | is it configured somewhere that /usr/local/bin is added to the path ? |
| 08:13.33 | wrksx | or is it "hardcoded" somehere like in the shell the shell |
| 08:14.11 | wrksx | (I mean, or any other path in the PATH, like /bin) |
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| 08:15.03 | ratrace | wrksx: it's added to PATH by default in /etc/profile |
| 08:15.27 | ratrace | lhoqvso: that's a bit weird, Xorg.0.log shows nvidia loaded, but dmesg has no mention of it. |
| 08:16.39 | ratrace | lhoqvso: not sure how to help further. since you want only one GPU, nvidia, maybe look into laptop's BIOS if you can disable intel |
| 08:16.50 | wrksx | ratrace: oh right, couldt find this thanks! What about adding something to it, would that be consider bad form to add /opt/bin to the PATH set in /etc/profile? |
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| 08:17.23 | lhoqvso | ratrace: I believe is because by default is using Intel but the NVIDIA is like "secondary" but loaded and I can even use it if I use the env variables.Unfortunately my BIOS does not allow to force NVIDIA only |
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| 08:17.50 | lhoqvso | ratrace: thanks a lot anyway sir! I have been dealing with this for a month... I hope one day I can find the solution :) |
| 08:17.51 | ratrace | wrksx: do you really want it system wide for all shell users that ultimately source /etc/profile ? if not, better set it via ~/ |
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| 08:18.10 | wrksx | ratrace: you mean ~/.profile ? |
| 08:18.21 | wrksx | ah yeeah or bashrc etc... |
| 08:18.32 | ratrace | right. |
| 08:18.49 | ratrace | they're used in slightly different contexts, so see which one suits you best |
| 08:19.05 | wrksx | but I want it systemwide this time, and that's the first time I have to do this |
| 08:19.22 | wrksx | Editing /etc/profile seems fine, thanks |
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| 08:20.43 | ratrace | wrksx: or better, drop a file under /etc/profile.d/ |
| 08:21.12 | wrksx | ratrace: seems I have to make it a .sh file then |
| 08:21.25 | wrksx | oh but it is sources |
| 08:21.29 | wrksx | sourced |
| 08:21.33 | wrksx | (I mean dotted) |
| 08:21.59 | wrksx | that's actually perfect |
| 08:22.14 | wrksx | thaks a ton ratrace |
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| 08:23.44 | ratrace | wrksx: yw |
| 08:23.49 | Novell | Hi, I updated my system from Debian 9 to Debian 10 which in turn upgraded Cyrus from 2.4(2.5?) to 3.0. Now I'm having all kinds of weird issues with missing folders for mailboxes when connecting with IMAP, lots of System I/O errors for various folders etc.. Anyone got any idea how to fix it? I've tried reconstruct -G -V max, which didn't help.. |
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| 08:25.25 | ratrace | lhoqvso: have you seen this? https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#Using_only_one_GPU |
| 08:26.00 | ratrace | Novell: ask in ##email if you nobody answers here. cyrus is rarely used these days; we're all on dovecot |
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| 08:27.04 | Novell | ratrace: yeah I guess I should have migrated to that too as it's what I've used on newer installed systems.. |
| 08:27.26 | Novell | not sure if it's possible to do "raw" migration of mail from cyrus to dovecot? |
| 08:28.21 | lhoqvso | ratrace; yes, that was my referenced point from the beginning |
| 08:28.30 | ratrace | Novell: sorry, I don't know. but... if it supports the Maildir format... should be relatively easy? |
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| 09:15.21 | jelly | sighs |
| 09:15.25 | jelly | Mar 31 11:10:08 radius1-new sshd[2386]: pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to create session: Maximum number of sessions (8192) reached, refusing further sessions. |
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| 09:15.50 | jelly | stretch systemd isn't set up in an optimal manner, it seems |
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| 09:17.57 | ratrace | or 8k sessions is few sigmas away from expected average for which defaults are built :) |
| 09:18.15 | ratrace | then again, have you peeked into the tcp stack defaults? terribru.... |
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| 09:19.57 | jelly | it's an sftp-only user, and they log in and do their work normally |
| 09:20.37 | jelly | systemd is leaking sessions, but thankfully doesn't prevent either sftp or interactive shell logins from happening |
| 09:21.12 | jelly | and there are no 8k active sessions. I'd've noticed. |
| 09:22.31 | ratrace | oh leaking, that's different then |
| 09:24.16 | jelly | pgrep sshd|wc -l ... three! |
| 09:24.46 | jelly | and one of those is master, so, two active sessions |
| 09:25.09 | jelly | where have the 8190 gone |
| 09:27.33 | ratrace | u haxxord |
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| 10:35.00 | daft_dutch | Hi, i need to setup some routing. for virt-manager. I can ping the virtual network 192.168.122.1 but cant ping the vm guests 192.168.122.21 |
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| 10:35.20 | daft_dutch | this from a remote machine |
| 10:37.33 | daft_dutch | oh its nat |
| 10:37.40 | daft_dutch | need to switch to bridged i guess |
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| 11:15.06 | coc0nut | hi there, is it possible to make a live usb from my current install of debian 10? im thinking to resizing the root partition as i need more space. and it is risky :o so im looking to do a backup. and one way of doing that is making a live usb from my system maybe |
| 11:15.12 | coc0nut | or will it be too much work? |
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| 11:16.01 | jelly | I don't know of any ready-made tool to convert a running installation into a read-only bootable live image |
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| 11:17.02 | ratrace | coc0nut: and why would you want that? there's plenty of (debian based) live environments to choose from |
| 11:17.28 | coc0nut | a read/write live image wouldnt hurt either actually :) |
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| 11:17.55 | gateway2000 | this might work: https://mxlinux.org/blog/live-usb-maker-tool-now-available-as-an-appimage/ |
| 11:18.34 | gateway2000 | im pretty sure with that tool you can write your system to a usb |
| 11:18.38 | coc0nut | i want it to save myself from doing backup of my system. i havent resized a root partition too much to feel safe doing it without messing up my boot or system at all |
| 11:19.02 | ratrace | "i want it to save myself from doing backup of my system" ... no, no, no no :) don't do that. always make backups. |
| 11:19.13 | jelly | coc0nut, a read-write image is just another installation. |
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| 11:20.18 | ratrace | debootstrap an installation onto an USB stick or disk. I have a portable HDD thingy I installed debian with all the tools I need for rescue. And that reminds me, I have to bump it to 10.9 |
| 11:20.25 | jelly | and sure, you can clone your whole installation to a usb disk, just need to set up boot loader and fstab properly |
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| 12:18.00 | jelly | found a 3TB usb disk for backups and might do a clean bullseye installation just to see if some of the installer annoyances have been fixed |
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| 12:26.37 | ratrace | bets they haven't |
| 12:27.34 | ratrace | only debootstraps installations and is thus impervious to installer annoyances. |
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| 12:50.15 | coc0nut | btw thanks for all good response i got :) |
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| 14:05.52 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 14:05.52 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 14:06.46 | ratrace | heh |
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| 14:39.07 | ivan_wagner | I can't share my screen in Google Meets. I have checked the chromium forum on the internet and found this to be still an unfixed problem. I don't block any javascript in the browser. I'm running debian 10.9 (buster), version of chrome is 88.0.4324.182 (Developer Build). The problem was reported at bugs debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886358. They suggested to patch browser/change config of the browser. How do I perform |
| 14:39.08 | ivan_wagner | such actions? |
| 14:39.09 | judd | Bug https://bugs.debian.org/886358 in chromium (open, patch): «chromium: Enable Hangouts screensharing extension»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2018-01-04; last modified: 2020-09-18. |
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| 14:50.34 | ratrace | ivan_wagner: basically, you have to install chromium deb-src, add a custom patch, and run dpkg-buildpackage to build chromium. |
| 14:51.20 | ratrace | a warning though, building chromium takes at least 8GB of RAM and quite a lot of time. anywhre from few hours if you have beefy core count, up to half a day or even few days if you're on a low end laptop/netbook |
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| 14:51.49 | somiaj | you could also use google-chrome (provided it has such the patch enabled by default) |
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| 14:52.18 | ratrace | ah... yes. I never think of non-free solutions :) |
| 14:52.35 | somiaj | not ideal, but sometimes is easier than building your own browser, that is nothing but a pain |
| 14:52.53 | ratrace | especially chromium. that's a mega beast to build |
| 14:54.18 | ratrace | last time I built it, 'twas mid range i5 (~6000 cpumark), took 15 hours with all 4 cores (no HT) |
| 14:54.23 | sigint | ivan_wagner, on wayland right? I use X just because to be able to screenshare from Firefox |
| 14:54.51 | ratrace | can't you still use wayland compositor + xwayland for xorg-only apps? |
| 14:54.51 | sigint | *just to be able to |
| 14:55.01 | ivan_wagner | ratrace, I can't perform such actions on my low end hardware, which is constantly in use |
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| 14:56.00 | ivan_wagner | sigint, I'm using KDE version. Backend rendering is set to opengl 2.0, I have an option to set in on xrender |
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| 14:56.39 | ivan_wagner | I'm not sure where I can find out if it runs on wayland or xorg.. |
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| 14:59.01 | ratrace | even if it used wayland compositor ... xorg apps should JustWork(tm) via xwayland. No? |
| 14:59.22 | ratrace | ie you don't need to switch session back to xorg rendering |
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| 15:00.33 | sigint | ratrace, probably but I didn't bother digging too much. I just flipped a switch in /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf and got back the screen sharing feature. |
| 15:00.41 | ivan_wagner | however, on the forum was said it is explicitly set by debian devs, in chromium config is one atribute(something like enable_goolag_hangouts=false). If I could somehow edit its config file of already installed program. |
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| 15:01.46 | ratrace | ivan_wagner: there are some chromium related configs in /etc/ , maybe somwhere there |
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| 15:08.50 | ratrace | afk |
| 15:09.24 | ivan_wagner | at the end of /etc/chromium master_preferences seem to be a space for a few additional config paramteres. I'm gonna try to implement those forum paramaters into that |
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| 15:26.10 | coc0nut | hm, i have splitted my partition into 5 during the install... /boot (sda1), / (sda2), /var (sda3), /tmp (sda5), /home (sda6).. I dont know where sda4 is though.. But how would you go about and back these? I would like to snapshot my system, but I dont need the /home partition in the backup. And how would you restore it ? Do I need to eventually pre partition the same values if I have deleted the partitions in future? |
| 15:26.40 | coc0nut | back these up* |
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| 15:27.32 | EdePopede | coc0nut: is this EFI or MBR? |
| 15:28.13 | coc0nut | I think its EFI but not sure.. Im thinking GPT in realtion to MBR? |
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| 15:28.51 | EdePopede | err yes. because it's 4 that's missing i was thinking of a classic MBR. |
| 15:29.40 | coc0nut | it might be mbr then, ive had some troubles in windows installation some times thats made me change bios settings. :p |
| 15:30.04 | EdePopede | # file -s /dev/sda |
| 15:30.19 | EdePopede | oh sounds known |
| 15:30.54 | coc0nut | in gparted sda4 says swap |
| 15:30.56 | EdePopede | prepared a used pc which came with win10 and safe boot and what not, can't even say how many time i had to reboot |
| 15:30.58 | coc0nut | and that explains it :p |
| 15:31.02 | EdePopede | ah |
| 15:31.20 | coc0nut | and sda1 says /boot/efi :) |
| 15:31.39 | EdePopede | sounds like... efi ;) |
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| 16:15.40 | jhutchins | Partitioning is an archic habit dating to when a 1MB drive was the size of a washing machine. |
| 16:16.08 | jhutchins | There is NO reason to have five partitions these days. |
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| 16:16.43 | jelly | six at minimum, agreed |
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| 16:17.31 | ratrace | you guys use partitions? :) |
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| 16:32.44 | abff | jhutchins: thats a lie |
| 16:33.03 | abff | I love my partitions |
| 16:33.25 | abff | they fill up so my computer doesn't crash |
| 16:33.47 | nkuttler | i just use more disks |
| 16:34.04 | abff | I run a single user os over 32 PB |
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| 16:34.11 | abff | :^) |
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| 16:42.27 | ratrace | I run zettabyte.. |
| 16:42.33 | ratrace | ..file system :) |
| 16:42.35 | coc0nut | if there is an option during an installation... then its atleast abit what if if you dont :p |
| 16:43.57 | jhutchins | Even if you have 32PB, if /var is a separate partition and is full, and the system can't write to /var/log, you may as well have crashed because nothing's going to run. |
| 16:44.57 | coc0nut | separate home folder isnt stupid tho ? :D |
| 16:45.31 | jhutchins | coc0nut: Meh. It depends on what you're doing with the system. Not very useful on a web server. |
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| 16:47.44 | jhutchins | I've never trusted the idea that you can run multiple distributions/releases using a common /home. There's too much hidden data there that is application version specific, and switching around can only lead to grief. |
| 16:48.45 | ratrace | concurs |
| 16:49.33 | abff | oh yeah for sure you wanna keep common dotfiles in seperate repositories |
| 16:49.46 | abff | from the distribution specific ones |
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| 16:51.25 | jhutchins | I had a provider build a system for me as a web server. He put all of the space on /var for /var/www - but the client's websites were all in $HOME, which was full before we got more than a couple of weeks into running the system. |
| 16:52.05 | jhutchins | You either need to know from experience exactly where you data is going to grow, or leave yourself with flexibility. |
| 16:52.22 | jhutchins | Partitioning just means that the space you need will be on the wrong partition. |
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| 16:54.04 | coc0nut | I totally agree with having that much partitions isnt pretty.. but well, if you have to reinstall linux, you only need to reinstall the system. you wont loose the home folder.. |
| 16:54.30 | ratrace | why would you reinstall, this ain't windows :) |
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| 16:57.31 | EdePopede | new HDD? |
| 16:59.51 | ratrace | dd/rsync |
| 17:04.24 | oxek | jhutchins: instead of partitions, I should have btrfs subvolumes or LVM logical volumes? |
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| 17:26.58 | coc0nut | jhutchins, reinstall my baremetaldebian with teamviewer pls! |
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| 17:31.01 | oxek | people still use teamviewer? |
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| 17:34.46 | coc0nut | yup, i had customerservice over teamviewer on a VST synth a few weeks ago :D what else is there for remote operations without engineering the network? |
| 17:35.07 | towo` | anydesk |
| 17:38.52 | oxek | yeah, anydesk is the main competitor, and unlike teamviewer hasn't been in a state of persistently hacked for years |
| 17:39.24 | oxek | (or more likely we just don't yet know that anydesk is hacked) |
| 17:40.40 | coc0nut | nice |
| 17:41.31 | coc0nut | is it monthly billed? |
| 17:42.08 | oxek | no idea |
| 17:42.17 | coc0nut | looks like |
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| 18:02.07 | cub3s_ | Hi, does Debian have any "live updating" calculator with variable support that does anything close to this? https://soulver.app/ (just look at that gif animation to see what I mean) |
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| 18:02.53 | cub3s_ | s/that gift animation/those gif animations |
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| 18:09.11 | engys | hi, any idea why debian buster is not able to convert embedded jpeg files when using pdf2ps? |
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| 18:11.30 | engys | I tried pdftops from poppler-utils and that one was not even able to create normal text inside of the ps file |
| 18:12.51 | engys | but maybe that is also because of the embedded image? |
| 18:14.47 | engys | pdf2ps on arch linux doing fine |
| 18:16.59 | EdePopede | maybe a newer version or different compile time options? |
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| 18:20.26 | engys | is there somewhere an easy tutorial how to create debian packages? |
| 18:20.49 | greycat | !nmg |
| 18:20.50 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (https://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (https://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. https://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 18:23.52 | engys | ty |
| 18:26.06 | remline | cub3s_: I like to just use python in interactive mode as my "calculator" app. It can do simple expressions (4+5) and set variable names (pizza=5 and 2*pizza). |
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| 18:35.27 | cub3s_ | remline that would be an option, thanks |
| 18:35.45 | cub3s_ | although i'm thinking if i want something more interactive, spreadsheets could be the way to go.. |
| 18:35.57 | cub3s_ | is there anything more lightweight than the openoffice/libreoffice? |
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| 18:36.37 | greycat | I keep a "bc -l" session open in a terminal window for doing calculations as needed. |
| 18:36.38 | cub3s_ | ah nice! i almost forgot about gnumeric! |
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| 18:39.15 | chupawan | cub3s_: sc, sc-im, awk, gnuplot |
| 18:40.42 | cub3s_ | chupawan, i used gnuplot long time ago :) |
| 18:40.50 | cub3s_ | hmmm |
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| 18:48.28 | remline | greycat: I'm a bc rookie. I haven't figured out how to do floating point calculations? e.g., I don't want 2.0/3.0 = 0 |
| 18:48.40 | greycat | bc -l |
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| 18:49.04 | remline | greycat: Ha! No wonder. Thanks. :) |
| 18:49.36 | remline | (One perhaps wonders why anyone wants the non-floating point version...) |
| 18:50.38 | greycat | -l has two separate effects, and you want both of them (including the library of math functions, and setting the precision to 20) |
| 18:50.52 | remline | chupawan: Is Debian's sc package "sc" or "sc-im"? |
| 18:50.56 | greycat | you will be tempted to set the precision to something lower than 20. do not do this. |
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| 18:52.32 | remline | Thanks, greycat, I will try using this instead of Python for a while. By the way, Python3 defaults to floating point, whereas Python2 defaulted to truncating integer division. Perhaps bc should follow the same course. |
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| 18:52.56 | greycat | bc is specified by posix. it does what it does, because that is how it always did it. |
| 18:54.19 | remline | greycat: There are definitely positive things to be said for that philosophy. |
| 18:55.31 | chupawan | remline: sc, to my best knowledge. not much experience with any of them, just tried them for spreadsheet experience. did not like it. |
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| 19:03.45 | karlpinc | remline: "Standard is better than better." |
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| 19:05.34 | remline | karlpinc: That is an admirable summary of the situation. |
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| 19:05.51 | karlpinc | remline: One of those Unix saying. |
| 19:05.58 | karlpinc | sayings. |
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| 20:46.04 | jhutchins | dpkg: ping |
| 20:46.05 | dpkg | pong |
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| 20:54.52 | dob1 | I don't remember how to setup a, I think is called reverse ssh where I don't connect to the server but it's the server that connect to another one and then you ssh into this one. I think it's based on ssh reverse tunnel |
| 20:55.30 | nkuttler | dob1: jumphost? |
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| 20:56.12 | dob1 | nkuttler, I take a look |
| 20:56.55 | dob1 | no, it's not my case |
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| 20:57.43 | nkuttler | you could forward ports for ssh.. but that sounds somewhat pointless |
| 20:58.05 | nkuttler | -R |
| 20:58.54 | dob1 | server1 (the one I want to login) is behind nat, server2 the one I have is public so server1 will keep a connection open to server1 (a reverse tunnel) then on server2 you ssh -p someport user@localhost and you will log to server1, make sense? |
| 20:59.25 | nkuttler | yeah, but i'd just use a jumphost |
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| 21:01.53 | dob1 | nkuttler, I don't understand how to apply this jumphost, it seems used like a normal tunnel jumphost |
| 21:02.25 | nkuttler | oh wait.. yeah.. |
| 21:02.41 | nkuttler | that's some port forwarding.. |
| 21:02.55 | nkuttler | but, before doing that, lol... you should talk to the network admins who want to prevent exactly that.. |
| 21:03.22 | imMute | dob1: on server1: ssh user@server2 -R 2222:localhost:22 then on your client: ssh user@server2 ssh localhost:2222 |
| 21:03.27 | HelloShitty | Hello. Is it possible to check the load of a hard drive? I am copying 350Gb of iles from one folder to another and I would like to check the speed the drive is copying the data |
| 21:03.42 | imMute | dob1: there might be a way to simplify the 2nd command, but I dunno what it is |
| 21:03.44 | imMute | HelloShitty: iotop? |
| 21:03.54 | dob1 | ok thanks for the advice |
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| 21:13.21 | jelly | HelloShitty, iostat from sysstat package, eg. iostat -mxN 5 (keep it running) |
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| 21:24.59 | HelloShitty | thanks |
| 21:25.16 | HelloShitty | will try iostat from sysstat |
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| 21:33.18 | karlpinc | HelloShitty: There is also "sar" in sysstat, but I like iostat better. |
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