| 00:00.19 | Numline1 | mutante: yes for the first two, regarding the visudo - that's a good point |
| 00:00.40 | Numline1 | either way, it seems to be working now, so I'll try to reverse-engineer the process so I can add user using ansible. Thanks guys! |
| 00:01.11 | mutante | glad it works, np |
| 00:02.10 | mutante | Numline1: shouldn't the ansible package do this as part of postinstall? |
| 00:03.02 | Numline1 | mutante: honestly, it's possible. What I've been doing so far is setting up the latter steps of the installation |
| 00:03.15 | Numline1 | basically to have ansible access for the first time, it needs a user that's able to control the server |
| 00:03.37 | Numline1 | I could have some modified installers that create the default user, but that'd probably be too complicated for my use case |
| 00:03.54 | mutante | Numline1: you installed ansible itself using APT or some other method? |
| 00:04.25 | Numline1 | mutante: the ansible is installed locally on my mac, since it doesn't require any server-side package or anything |
| 00:04.39 | Numline1 | so I basically did a clear install of TrueNAS using IPMI KVM and that's about it |
| 00:04.50 | Numline1 | I just need Ansible to install some additional packages and configure some sys variables |
| 00:05.38 | mutante | Numline1: ok, I would claim you wouln't have to do this manual stuff if you'd use Debian for all of it |
| 00:07.26 | Numline1 | mutante: yeah, but it's honestly about effort vs benefit for me |
| 00:07.47 | Numline1 | I'll have a look at some postinstall stuff somewhere in 2021 as a weekend project :) |
| 00:07.52 | Numline1 | But thanks for your suggestions :) |
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| 06:15.45 | serafeim | hello friends |
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| 06:25.27 | serafeim | hello friends. this ain't really related to the # but... what should i install? mysql or mariadb ? |
| 06:25.47 | serafeim | i'm only using postgres but "mysql" is needed for some php app i need installing |
| 06:25.56 | sponix2ipfw | serafeim: mariadb |
| 06:26.11 | serafeim | could you clarify a bit? |
| 06:26.42 | yogoyo | !mariadb |
| 06:26.43 | dpkg | MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. https://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:27.27 | serafeim | !mysqldb |
| 06:27.33 | serafeim | !mysql |
| 06:27.34 | dpkg | mysql is probably a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql test>, <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mariadb> |
| 06:27.51 | serafeim | !install mysql |
| 06:27.51 | dpkg | To install the MySQL server, "aptitude install mysql-server". You might also want to "aptitude install php5-mysql" and ask me about <install apache> <install php>. Also check out the <phpmyadmin> package. See also <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>. |
| 06:28.22 | serafeim | ok it seems that both mariadb and mysql can be installed from the repos |
| 06:28.31 | yogoyo | yes |
| 06:28.55 | serafeim | so i should just install mariadb because it's not oracle ? |
| 06:29.00 | serafeim | or there's another reason |
| 06:29.19 | sponix2ipfw | That is the main reason for me |
| 06:29.41 | serafeim | ha ha ha yes that's also reason enough for me but are there any advantages ? |
| 06:30.29 | sponix2ipfw | I'm sure they will function the same for your needs |
| 06:30.45 | serafeim | ok thank you |
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| 10:14.12 | Deknos | does anyone know if there's a (paid?) (debian) repository service, where i also could upload more packages? uploading to canonical means giving canonical the rights to the packages, as far as i know |
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| 10:16.08 | Deknos | i have no problems BUILDING the packages, but i cannot run a repo service myself. |
| 10:17.06 | ratrace | Deknos: so you're talking about packaging proprietary software? |
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| 10:17.53 | H4ndy | Deknos: some quick google found this company: https://packagecloud.io/l/apt-repository |
| 10:18.21 | Deknos | ratrace, if propetiary: i have the rights. |
| 10:18.26 | H4ndy | not exactly cheap tho ð¤ |
| 10:18.32 | Deknos | H4ndy, apparently your googlefu is better than mine. >.< |
| 10:18.33 | Deknos | thanks |
| 10:19.11 | H4ndy | If you expect higher traffic you may be able to slap Cloudflare infront of it to cache downloads |
| 10:19.24 | H4ndy | and safe on the higher package tiers there |
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| 10:20.14 | Deknos | H4ndy, which keywords did you use on google? |
| 10:20.22 | Deknos | i used "paid debian repository service"... |
| 10:20.25 | H4ndy | managed debian repository hosting |
| 10:20.44 | Deknos | gna. |
| 10:20.45 | Deknos | thanks. |
| 10:20.46 | H4ndy | "managed" is usually the keyword for paid hosting |
| 10:21.06 | petn-randall | Deknos: Just install mini-dinstall from Debian. You can pay me later. |
| 10:21.39 | jelly | Deknos, https://build.opensuse.org/ ? If your software builds from (open) source |
| 10:22.01 | jelly | if you just need to host premade .deb, no idea |
| 10:22.19 | themill | or aptly or reprepro |
| 10:22.51 | jelly | are those services or just software that can be used to make repos |
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| 10:23.40 | Deknos | aptly and reprepro are just software. i would need a service which hosts the repos |
| 10:23.48 | idlestranger | I really don't understand why drive space is so wildly incosistant across software. I have a blank 16TB drive, formatted ext4, should have 14.4TB usable space. glances reports it accordingly but also says 18.1MB of that is used despite having no files (hidden or otherwise) on the drive. nemo says 15.1TB free space, thunar says 13.7TB free space ... all on the same disk. Can someone enlighten me as to |
| 10:23.54 | idlestranger | why i'm seeing so many wildly different values? |
| 10:24.26 | jelly | Deknos, is the software freely redistributable? how much monthly traffic and how much space? |
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| 10:26.08 | jelly | idlestranger, at least two factors are in play: units, TB vs TiB; space reservation for root |
| 10:27.07 | jelly | idlestranger, even using different settings when "formatting ext4" will yield significant differences in available block space |
| 10:27.14 | daysun | is hungry and spreads jelly on a peanut butter sandwich |
| 10:27.26 | daysun | jelly: bech'a neva heard that 1 befo'! |
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| 10:33.47 | ratrace | jelly is often spread thin in this channel. often by me. one day he'll snap and he'll disconnect my power supply. |
| 10:34.27 | daysun | ratrace: that's one of the weaknesses of SCP-079 (you) |
| 10:35.00 | daysun | can't be easy to spread on a sandie every day |
| 10:35.59 | daysun | Can't be easy for D[_] either. D[_] and jelly complement each other pretty well. Just need some sugar, a butter_knife and so forth. |
| 10:36.20 | daysun | gah.. sorry, not intended to drag this channel off-topic. |
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| 10:40.14 | Deknos | jelly, well, it's software/distribution of a wellknown municipial project who think about opensourcing their client and deploymentsystem. but atm there is copyrighted data in the system (VMs and images) (which will be removed). but still, some fear that the possibility of potential data which is copyrighted will keep some providers of serving that content. |
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| 10:43.18 | Deknos | we talk here about a desktop wallpaper which is a shilouette of a city for example. |
| 10:44.03 | idlestranger | everyone knows the greyscale and red world timezone map is a better wallpaper |
| 10:44.06 | idlestranger | =P |
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| 11:02.55 | idlestranger | anyway there shouldn't be any space reservation for root which is on a different drive should there? and units (TB vs TiB) doesn't account for the wildly different values. eg 14.4TB should be 13.09 or 13.1 TiB depending on rounding method, which doesn't explain 13.7TB shown by thunar and nothing I can think of explains the 15.1TB shown by nemo. perhaps it's more likely raw byte sizes arn't being |
| 11:03.01 | idlestranger | calculated with the proper percision in some applications? eg not using doubles for byte counts? don't have anything handy to test typecasting bytecounts of that magnitute. I guess if I want a proper answer I'll have to dig into the source of each. My curiosity hasn't reached that point just yet. |
| 11:03.14 | jelly | Deknos, (c) does not matter too much, but licensing does and all the components have to allow redistribution (so, for example, you can't have oracle jdk inside) |
| 11:04.07 | jelly | idlestranger, there's always a percentage reserved for the root _user_; that can be modified. |
| 11:05.29 | jelly | idlestranger, look at "df" and "df -i" now, then go reformat with mkfs.ext4 -t huge or even -t largefile4, then compare both "df" and "df -i" |
| 11:05.47 | idlestranger | Jelly, oh? would you be so kind as to elaborate how- nevermind you're ahead of me. many thanks. |
| 11:07.06 | jelly | idlestranger, sorry, tune2fs -m ... changes the root reservation percentage. -t manages the inode tables on ext4, they are part of metadata and take up quite a bit of the total space |
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| 11:07.53 | jelly | idlestranger, also nice to look at: dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever |
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| 11:10.55 | idlestranger | jelly, much appreciated |
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| 12:52.38 | marduk | debian is the best as I always said before |
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| 14:05.01 | daft_dutch | Hi, i noticed that google has blocked all lightweight browsers i tried from debian. |
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| 14:08.25 | lowin | google blocks webkit I believe |
| 14:09.17 | zykotick9 | lowin: oh, this is real? w3m works just fine, I consider it lightweight ;) |
| 14:10.16 | ksk | ,info googler |
| 14:10.20 | judd | Package googler (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Power tool to Google (Web & News) and Google Site Search from the terminal. Version: 3.7.1-1; Size: 42.7k; Installed: 124k; Homepage: https://github.com/jarun/googler |
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| 14:13.49 | EdePopede | links2 [-g] works |
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| 14:14.26 | T-zef | is OFTC server down ? |
| 14:14.40 | T-zef | i can't connect |
| 14:15.15 | zykotick9 | T-zef: OFTC is working here... |
| 14:15.15 | petn-randall | T-zef: It's up and running. |
| 14:15.40 | T-zef | i get this : * *** Banned autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2021-01-25 22:50:43)* Closing Link: 202.153.81.253 (Banned) |
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| 14:16.27 | EdePopede | if it was down you wouldn't get an answer ;) |
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| 14:17.24 | EdePopede | googler looks nice btw. looks like what i'd want to use |
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| 14:18.09 | foxide | T-zef: Are you using a VPN to connect? |
| 14:19.23 | T-zef | foxide what is a VNP ? |
| 14:20.25 | T-zef | normally i connect normally no problem |
| 14:21.04 | T-zef | also the same with quakenet... |
| 14:21.08 | foxide | You're connecting from an IP owned by an infrastructure and hosting provider in Qatar. So either you're sitting in a datacenter, or you're acting ignorant on purpose. |
| 14:21.43 | T-zef | yes my internet is from Ooredoo |
| 14:21.47 | T-zef | in Maldives |
| 14:21.56 | T-zef | we depend from Qatar |
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| 14:22.50 | foxide | Didn't realize they were an ISP. |
| 14:23.08 | foxide | My mistake. Anyway, OFTC has listed that IP address as the source of spam. You'll have to take it up with them somehow. |
| 14:25.28 | T-zef | naaaa |
| 14:25.40 | T-zef | i am a debian sid user |
| 14:26.11 | T-zef | i use debian since 2013, i never did anything wrong , why is that... |
| 14:26.42 | T-zef | how can i get back there? |
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| 14:27.06 | T-zef | i can't ask abour Sid here, isn't it... |
| 14:28.03 | foxide | Asking here isn't likely to help you. This is Freenode, not OFTC. |
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| 14:28.58 | T-zef | yes i know, here it say : | testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net | |
| 14:29.19 | T-zef | then i get for my mood now... |
| 14:29.36 | T-zef | anyway, nevermind |
| 14:30.50 | T-zef | oh i see |
| 14:30.55 | T-zef | haha |
| 14:32.14 | T-zef | one guy took me in many chanels for a story of assaultcube |
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| 14:32.43 | T-zef | it's ok then, will try to fix it |
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| 15:11.30 | introom | hi. It seems to me that the docker cli (not the engine) package does not exist in debian? |
| 15:12.19 | vexter | introom, you can use the docker packet for to connect others dockers hosts |
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| 15:13.12 | introom | vexter: packet ? |
| 15:13.15 | introom | package ? |
| 15:13.17 | vexter | yeapz |
| 15:13.19 | vexter | package |
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| 15:13.52 | introom | is there a light weight one that only includes the cli but not the engine? |
| 15:14.05 | hanasaki | in debian exim, which file does this go in ? where? auth_over_tls_hosts = * |
| 15:14.30 | vexter | introom, i dont know |
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| 15:14.46 | vexter | i only use the docker package |
| 15:15.48 | vexter | introom, https://github.com/docker/cli |
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| 15:17.53 | Vatum | can someone explain to me how pid files in /var/run are actually used? a program i use in its config file has the option to use a pid file in /var/run or disable it altogether. and in different distros its either active or not |
| 15:18.37 | koollman | Vatum: typical usage: the pid of the service is written there so that scripts can check wether it is already running, or dead |
| 15:18.58 | vexter | Vatum, Usually these files contain the process pid number |
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| 15:19.28 | Vatum | ejabberd from debian repositorires enables this pid file in /var/run, ejabberd .deb package from upstream doesn't (in its config) |
| 15:19.42 | Vatum | and i cant find nowehere online if this pid file is actually needed to run |
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| 15:34.20 | hop | Vatum: it's not needed to run (unless the service bails when it can't create it). it's usually "needed" to stop or signal the service or prevent it from being started twice⦠|
| 15:34.35 | hop | also, the canonical path is /run, now |
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| 15:36.12 | Vatum | hop, systemd doesn't need pid files though |
| 15:36.23 | Vatum | it supervises processes, and their children |
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| 15:40.08 | introom | vexter: seems debian does not containt hat package. |
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| 15:45.39 | jezebel | why does debian disable nested kvm by default? |
| 15:47.25 | petn-randall | jezebel: How so? AFAIK it's a feature your CPU needs to support. |
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| 15:48.31 | jezebel | i ont have /etc/modprobe.d/kvm_intel.conf with options kvm_intel nested=y |
| 15:48.41 | jezebel | hmmm maybe |
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| 15:50.47 | jezebel | i'm on ivy bridge cpu |
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| 17:09.09 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:09.18 | johnfg | I'm running buster, all updates. |
| 17:10.03 | yogoyo | conrats |
| 17:10.15 | johnfg | here in the U.S. What's the best lines to add to my sources.list for sid? I need to add the openafs-client from there, as the current release doesn't work any longer. |
| 17:10.39 | sney | johnfg: mixing sid with buster is a recipe for disaster. |
| 17:11.01 | sney | you can do this though, to rebuild individual packages for buster: |
| 17:11.03 | sney | !ssb |
| 17:11.03 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:11.20 | foxide | ,checkbackport openafs-client |
| 17:11.21 | judd | Backporting package openafs-client in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
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| 17:11.31 | johnfg | sney: I know there are dangers, but the version that's on buster is outdated. |
| 17:12.03 | sney | "there are dangers" doesn't cover it. apt will try to update as much as it can to sid when you have that source enabled. you will end up with a broken mix of packages 3+ years apart. |
| 17:12.04 | foxide | It's not "dangers," its "guaranteed nonfunctional system." |
| 17:12.15 | foxide | !dontbreakdebian |
| 17:12.15 | dpkg | hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:12.29 | johnfg | foxide: So, that pkg is *not* available then? |
| 17:12.43 | sney | johnfg: again, read dpkg's response, it shows you how to rebuild it for buster |
| 17:12.52 | foxide | It can't be backported. |
| 17:12.54 | sney | the "build-depends: debhelper-compat" is a red herring |
| 17:12.58 | foxide | Oh, is it? |
| 17:13.00 | sney | ya |
| 17:13.06 | foxide | Cool, there you go. |
| 17:13.10 | johnfg | I get it, I really do. But that being said, my debian server is serving out openafs cells, but the clients can't access them. |
| 17:13.22 | foxide | Follow the ssb process. |
| 17:13.42 | sney | if your debian server is actively serving clients, the *last thing* you want to do is mix it with sid |
| 17:13.59 | mutante | buster is stable, sid is experimental, there is something in between called "testing" |
| 17:14.08 | sney | mutante: no, sid is unstable. |
| 17:14.22 | sney | experimental is not even a full branch, just a staging area for assorted stuff |
| 17:14.57 | yogoyo | !openafs |
| 17:14.58 | dpkg | The Andrew File System (AFS) is a distributed network file system primarily used in distributed computing. The open source AFS implementation 'OpenAFS' is packaged for Debian. http://www.openafs.org/ #openafs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:15.15 | sney | and yes, in between there is testing, which will become debian 11 in <1 year, it's pretty usable, but still not a great idea to try to upgrade a production server on the fly |
| 17:15.21 | johnfg | Here's what happened, in brief, from the folks at #openafs, 12:05 < kaduk> johnfg: there was a time-bomb in the code for 6 years and it went off last week. |
| 17:15.32 | mutante | you are correct, the point was though that he doesn't need to jump from buster right away to sid |
| 17:16.08 | johnfg | 2:01 < meffie> sorry johnfg, yes, you will need to update the clients to 1.8.7 (or 1.8.6-5 on debian and ubuntu) |
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| 17:16.19 | sney | johnfg: I believe you, that you need to upgrade it. follow the ssb process. that is how to upgrade it on stable. |
| 17:17.18 | yogoyo | ,v openafs |
| 17:17.19 | judd | No package named 'openafs' was found in amd64. |
| 17:17.37 | sney | (if you don't want to have a toolchain and devscripts cruft on your production server, use a buster vm to rebuild the package instead of your server.) |
| 17:17.51 | sney | ,v openafs-client |
| 17:17.52 | judd | Package: openafs-client on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.9-2+deb8u7; jessie-security: 1.6.9-2+deb8u9; stretch: 1.6.20-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 1.6.20-2+deb9u2; buster: 1.8.2-1; bullseye: 1.8.6-5; sid: 1.8.6-5 |
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| 17:18.53 | johnfg | So, it looks like both bullseye and sid have the version I need. |
| 17:19.00 | sney | !ssb |
| 17:19.00 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 17:19.22 | johnfg | But y'all would still recommend sney's way, with the ssb process? |
| 17:19.32 | sney | there it is again for good measure. steps 1 through 5 will give you a .deb of openafs-client, in the sid/bullseye version, compiled for buster. |
| 17:20.03 | foxide | johnfg: Yes. That or break your box, seems like an easy decision. |
| 17:20.09 | johnfg | Ok, I'll do that then. |
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| 17:20.51 | sney | johnfg: as an aside, did the #openafs people cite a link for that 'time bomb'? it should be reported to debian as well |
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| 17:22.08 | johnfg | sney: They did not, but can ask them. |
| 17:22.22 | johnfg | Is my sources list line ok: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:22.39 | sney | yep |
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| 17:26.11 | johnfg | Do I need to enable debian-backports, since we know the pkg isn't there? |
| 17:26.58 | sney | backports is included in these instructions for build dependencies, it may not be needed in this case. you can try the 'apt build-dep' step without it, then if that fails, go back and enable backports |
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| 17:31.05 | johnfg | E: Unable to find a source package for openafs-client-1.8.6-5 |
| 17:32.06 | johnfg | I added the line for sid, ran apt update, build-essential was already installed and latest, then ran, 'apt build-dep openafs-client-1.8.6-5' and got that error. |
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| 17:32.39 | johnfg | do I need to tell apt to use sid? Is that with the -t sid flag? |
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| 17:34.06 | jelly | johnfg, are you sure that's the package name |
| 17:34.24 | jelly | -1.8.6-5 bit looks more like a version |
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| 17:35.44 | johnfg | jelly: how do I find the pkg name then? |
| 17:36.14 | jelly | johnfg, maybe start with openafs-client |
| 17:37.09 | johnfg | When I search for that, it returns the current client: openafs-client/stable,stable,now 1.8.2-1 amd64 [installed] |
| 17:37.25 | jelly | how are you searching |
| 17:37.36 | johnfg | apt search openafs-client |
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| 17:38.07 | jelly | that seraches for avaiable binary packages. Try apt-cache showsrc ... |
| 17:40.35 | johnfg | I do see it there, but how do I do the build-dep for it? |
| 17:41.26 | jelly | apt build-dep packagename |
| 17:41.33 | jelly | just the like bot said |
| 17:42.25 | jelly | apt defaults to the latest version available in absence of other configuration items that would change that |
| 17:43.12 | johnfg | jelly: So just 'apt build-dep openafs-client' should do it? |
| 17:43.19 | jelly | yes |
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| 17:45.41 | johnfg | And then, per the bot also, I'll run 'apt -b unstable openafs-client'? |
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| 17:46.34 | sney | apt -b source |
| 17:47.12 | sney | 'apt source' is tells apt to download the source package, and -b stands for build. |
| 17:47.58 | jelly | 4) apt -b source packagename |
| 17:48.38 | jelly | I prefer to separate apt source package from the build step, but there's only so much space available in a single irc line |
| 17:50.20 | johnfg | cool! building 1.8.6-5 now. |
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| 17:53.29 | jelly | 12:05 < kaduk> johnfg: there was a time-bomb in the code for 6 years and it went off last week. # o.O |
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| 17:55.03 | jelly | that probably needs to be patched in buster as well |
| 17:55.10 | johnfg | jelly: did you see that I pasted that above? |
| 17:55.37 | jelly | that's where I copied it from |
| 17:55.41 | johnfg | As kaduk is the maintainer of the pkg, I just mentioned that to him. |
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| 17:57.58 | jelly | debian maintainer? |
| 17:58.43 | sney | apparently, tracker.debian.org/openafs |
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| 18:00.35 | materhyu | Hi everyone, I have a question about instruction given on the wiki for Optimus-driver: should one install "nvidia-driver" before installing "bumblebee-nvidia primus" ? I've just been pointed this out by a #bumblebee user and it may save (or not) mine and others installations, thanks |
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| 18:02.10 | sney | materhyu: bumblebee-nvidia depends on nvidia-driver |
| 18:02.39 | sney | materhyu: the only reason a user should install a nvidia driver package first is if they need one of the alternate ones, like tesla or legacy |
| 18:03.21 | materhyu | so it is needed to install before or not? Sorry I'm a relatively new user of linux |
| 18:03.58 | sney | materhyu: it is not, because when you install bumblebee-nvidia, apt will automatically install the other packages it needs. which includes nvidia-driver. |
| 18:04.44 | johnfg | So, the last step is: 'deb -i openafs-client_1.8.6-5_amd64.deb'? Because it built quite a number of debs. |
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| 18:05.33 | jelly | johnfg, if you mean dpkg -i ... then yes |
| 18:05.43 | sney | that would be dpkg -i (or apt install) but yes, you will probably need openafs-client and maybe an openafs-common or something like that. |
| 18:05.47 | johnfg | jelly: Yes. |
| 18:06.10 | jelly | you might need to install some of those others if the desired package wants them as dependencies |
| 18:06.15 | materhyu | sney: ok understood. So I guess my issue is another one... thanks anyway |
| 18:06.24 | johnfg | The dpkg -i openafs-client_1.8.6-5_amd64.deb won't take care of all that I need? |
| 18:06.33 | jelly | no, no it won't |
| 18:06.41 | sney | johnfg: try it, if dpkg asks for another package, then install that one too |
| 18:06.44 | johnfg | Ok, I'll give that a try. |
| 18:06.56 | johnfg | sney: you guys are thinking to fast! |
| 18:07.12 | jelly | dpkg is a low level tool that does not manage dependencies |
| 18:07.12 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:07.14 | sponix2ipfw | sney: I'm hopeful that this Nvidia 460.32 and kernel 5.10 combination will somehow resolve my periodic gui freeze :P |
| 18:07.25 | jelly | dpkg, cake |
| 18:07.25 | dpkg | The cake is a lie. |
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| 18:10.24 | johnfg | It didn't ask for any other package. I'm rebooting that machine, then will tell you the results. |
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| 18:36.54 | inode64_ | systemd keeps unmounting my file shares (I am using a blah.mount file) and I tried the StopWhenUneeded=false but it is still unmounting my file shares after 12-24hr, does anyone know how to make it stop that? |
| 18:38.46 | sney | I've never seen that, could the connection be flapping? |
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| 18:40.24 | inode64_ | network is ok, the unmount occurred when sleeping/inactive and no network changes, these issues only started when systemd tookover for mounting things and /etc/fstab was deprecated, will keep googling in the meantime |
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| 18:58.08 | jhutchins | inode64_: Which release are you on? |
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| 19:18.07 | johnfg_ | hi folks |
| 19:18.25 | johnfg_ | I had to move to the office, so had to join here. |
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| 19:19.30 | johnfg_ | I need to build the kernel module, but when I run, 'dkms build -m openafs -v 1.8.6-5', I get returned: Directory: /usr/src/openafs-1.8.6-5 does not exist. |
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| 19:20.53 | sney | johnfg_: that seems to be in the openafs-modules-dkms package |
| 19:21.33 | johnfg_ | so do I need to install that from buster or from sid? |
| 19:22.40 | sney | it would have been built along with the rest of the packages in your ssb process from earlier |
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| 19:23.45 | johnfg_ | sney: BTW...if I forgot to say thanks earlier, Thanks! So, I'll need to do the dpkg -i for that too, right? |
| 19:23.49 | petn-randall | inode64_: /etc/fstab is not deprecated, and your best bet is to look into your logs why it gets umounted. |
| 19:24.04 | sney | johnfg_: np, and yes |
| 19:24.49 | sney | johnfg_: also when you install that dkms package it will likely trigger the build automatically |
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| 19:26.04 | Wafficus | Hi there, can anyone help me figure out why my CAPS key in a Debian VM isn't working as intended? I swapped it with Left Control via Autokey in the Windows 10 host, but my Debian VM is still treating the CAPS key as both CAPS AND left control |
| 19:27.22 | azeem | if you run a desktop, maybe check with xev what keys it thinks are pressed |
| 19:27.32 | petn-randall | Wafficus: Your windows host is only passing keystrokes to the VM, I'm guessing they're not translated. |
| 19:28.06 | Wafficus | yeah I checked with screenkey, and showkey |
| 19:28.14 | Wafficus | the CAPS key is acting like CAPS AND Left Control key as mentioned before |
| 19:28.15 | Wafficus | its weird |
| 19:29.05 | ratrace | maybe better do the remapping in the linux guest |
| 19:30.28 | petn-randall | Sounds more like a windows problem to me. |
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| 19:33.54 | Wafficus | yeah but I wanted to do it for both Windows and the LInux guest |
| 19:34.14 | Wafficus | like I had it working ok with just the Linux guest, but I kinda wanted both honestly simultaneously |
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| 19:50.01 | Wafficus | I also tried the following command but didn't work either: |
| 19:50.02 | Wafficus | localectl set-x11-keymap us "" "" ctrl:swapcaps |
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| 19:59.51 | deadrom | hi. need a 4 or 8 port sATA/SAS HBA for PCIe, was thinking of HP H240 - someone happen to know if it is ok with debian? |
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| 20:02.26 | deadrom | ...or can someone recommend any other pcie HBA, for that matter? need to raid, just passthrough. |
| 20:02.53 | deadrom | right now have an Adaptec 5405 that does not recognize all drives and has no HBA feature |
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| 20:07.29 | mendi | guys how do I write a 32767 (0xff 0x7f) in device descriptor as logical minimum? 0x15 0xff 0x7f will work? |
| 20:08.02 | sney | deadrom: any sas hba with linux support should be fine, do you know what chipset HP used for that model? usually the LSI ones have the best support |
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| 20:10.42 | pokota | I'm trying to add the bsd `calendar` to my motd scripts, but it's failing with "cannot get home directory" |
| 20:11.14 | pokota | should I run that from .profile instead? |
| 20:11.52 | pokota | or is there a `run-parts`-safe way to call calendar? |
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| 20:13.03 | greycat | what is a "motd script"? |
| 20:13.16 | pokota | the contents of /etc/update-motd/ |
| 20:13.21 | pokota | stuff like `10-uname` |
| 20:13.40 | greycat | well clearly since that's in /etc/ it doesn't run as an individual user, so it can't do things that are user-specific |
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| 20:15.23 | pokota | ah, I think I see how to do this. calendar.all does relative paths for the includes, and if I'm reading the manpage right I need it to give absolute paths to stop it from searching user directories |
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| 20:17.52 | greycat | that's an interesting guess, but my guess was that it's looking for ~/.calendar and so on |
| 20:18.32 | pokota | per the manpage it is, but it says "if the shared file is not referenced by a full pathname, cpp searches in the current (or home) directory first" |
| 20:18.45 | pokota | (just tried full paths in the includes, didn't work) |
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| 20:20.03 | pokota | looks like putting it in .profile is the solution, or at least the workaround |
| 20:21.24 | ratrace | yay sudo finally patched for CVE-2021-3156! |
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| 20:26.12 | CommunistWolf | yay |
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| 20:27.04 | mendi | ratrace: lol thats a UAC-tier bug |
| 20:29.48 | sney | I was going to comment something about "finally" for a 2021 CVE, and it's january, but then I looked it up and, "hiding in plain sight since 2011." oy. |
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| 20:31.27 | mendi | hidden in nsa stash since 2011 |
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| 20:35.15 | ratrace | hear that? ...... that's the sound of doas(1) users snickering. |
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| 20:36.08 | ratrace | sney: dates don't really matter. kernel zerodays would-be/are-often patched before the CVE is even applied for |
| 20:36.22 | ratrace | (and too often it even isn't at all) |
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| 20:51.16 | jerry | fresh install buster, enp1s0 after reboot enp2s0. why? |
| 20:51.37 | jerry | had to change it manually |
| 20:53.24 | greycat | Glorious. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ still refers to "a comment block [in] the sources" which no longer exists. |
| 20:53.38 | greycat | IIRC that comment was removed half a year ago. |
| 20:53.46 | sney | changed any efi/bios settings related to pci? added/subtracted a usb interface? it *should* enumerate those based on slot, at least with consistent hardware |
| 20:54.11 | jerry | i'm seeing a dmesg error -71 |
| 20:54.19 | jerry | usb related |
| 20:54.40 | jerry | i removed the usb flash drive i installed from |
| 20:54.46 | jerry | maybe thaqt did it? |
| 20:55.00 | jerry | also added a video card |
| 20:55.15 | greycat | adding the video card probably did it |
| 20:55.22 | sney | yeah, some pci tomfoolery |
| 20:55.41 | deadrom | sney: HP's pwn brew, I think |
| 20:55.49 | jerry | thing is i need to add 9 more cards |
| 20:56.00 | jerry | hope it doesn't flake out every time |
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| 20:56.10 | greycat | It very well might. Can you add them all at once? |
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| 20:56.30 | sney | deadrom: I see some homelabbers posting about using it for zfs/unraid, so that indicates compatibility, with the 'hpsa' module. no idea about how good it is, but it should work at least |
| 20:56.39 | jerry | i can but if anything is wrong with any one of them it'll be hard to troubleshoot that way |
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| 20:57.32 | sney | jerry: you could use the systemd.link solution mentioned on that freedesktop page, to give it a specific name rather than a dynamic one from either scheme |
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| 20:57.55 | jerry | i'll check it out thanks |
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| 20:58.16 | deadrom | sney: all i need is dumb 4 port for mdadm, i'll look for an offer. |
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| 21:01.16 | serard | hello |
| 21:02.15 | serard | I'm trying to install debian buster 10.7 using packer and virtualbox. I cannot make it mount cdrom. I have tried /dev/sr0 /mnt, no luck |
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| 21:02.57 | sney | packer is probably doing something "clever" with the debian iso |
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| 21:04.06 | sney | any time the debian installer complains about not being able to find the cdrom, that's what's going on, it's been unpacked and repacked and d-i can't find itself anymore. |
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| 21:04.36 | sney | perhaps this packer utility has an option to not modify the image |
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| 21:06.40 | serard | sney, I have tried with a manual virtualbox debian using same netinstall iso. I have been able to mount the cdrom. |
| 21:06.50 | sney | qed |
| 21:06.55 | serard | but not while packing the box via packer |
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| 21:07.18 | sney | you need to dig into the packer manual, or ask their support channel if they have one |
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| 21:45.27 | deadrom | do I have a fair chance having a system online replacing an old intel board with an old amd board? (both ca 8 years) |
| 21:46.56 | jhutchins | If you're installing on a VM you need to tell the hypervisor to pass the CD through to the VM. I believe it also has to be mounteed on the host. |
| 21:47.42 | jhutchins | serard: You can mount an iso as a virtual CD. |
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| 22:10.45 | idlestranger | deadrom bit late on the reply re: HBA but on the cheap side i'm using an h310 flashed to lsi 9211-8i FW in IT mode to run as an HBA, works fine with high capacity drives (i've got a few 16TB seagate exos on it right now) but it is a pcie 2.0 SAS controller, so if you fully populate it and all drives are constantly active, expect to take a bandwidth hit compared to more modern and decidedly expensive |
| 22:10.51 | idlestranger | options. still for $20-30 USD it'll do just fine for small user-counts/home network storage. |
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| 22:11.46 | deadrom | idlestranger: it's not supposed to do more than take backups onto mdadm for personal use, so I got time. bandwidth is not that crucial. appreciate the hint. |
| 22:12.02 | deadrom | how do you flash that thing, though? |
| 22:13.14 | idlestranger | should be fine for that, use mine both as a nas and to take backups. you can actually get them pre-flashed on ebay or flash them yourself following a guide |
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| 22:14.11 | deadrom | idlestranger: ah that's Dell Perc, not HP innit |
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| 22:15.39 | sney | for cheap lowish-bandwidth sas I've had good results with the dell sas 5/e, which is an LSI controller, in both dell and non-dell boxes. they're all over ebay in the $20 range. note that this is *not* the perc with the raid bios, but a separate hba-only model |
| 22:16.05 | sney | I wouldn't recommend it in production in current era but it's more than enough for any kind of personal/soho use |
| 22:16.16 | idlestranger | deadrom, yes it's dell perc h310 |
| 22:17.37 | deadrom | sney, "dell sas 5/e", spelt like that? |
| 22:17.46 | sney | yeah. search with or without the slash |
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| 22:19.40 | deadrom | gets me a sas card with 2 infiniband. need sff8087 or other to spread to sata |
| 22:21.08 | idlestranger | you can search "h310 it mode" on ebay and get them pre-flashed, some even have the sas breakout cables included. |
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| 22:24.23 | deadrom | what's "IT mode" here? |
| 22:25.01 | idlestranger | literally just LSI firmware mode that makes the raid controller act like an HBA |
| 22:27.09 | idlestranger | typical for use with software raid solutions like unraid, freenas, zfs on linux, and even lvm options. |
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| 22:28.32 | ws2k3 | i have a kdevtmpfsi proces that is using extreemly high cpu usage. what could this be exacly? |
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| 22:30.39 | idlestranger | ws2k3, my kneejerk is to blame docker or appimage with docker in it- running anything like that? |
| 22:30.55 | ws2k3 | idlestranger: i have narrowed it down to redis.... |
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| 22:31.34 | ws2k3 | idlestranger: now sure im allowed to put this here but: |
| 22:31.34 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.35 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:46.47 | idlestranger | ws2k3 I know there was an older version that had some issues with high cpu usage last year due to the way it was making calls, but beyond that- I can't offer much. if you're not using it yourself (and i hope you're not as it's highly insecure outside of a controlled locked down environment) an appimage or docker instance you're using is using it. i'd narrow down which one is running it by shutting |
| 22:46.53 | idlestranger | down anything you're running one by one until you find the culprit- then ensure that is up to date before starting it back up to see if the issue persists. |
| 22:47.03 | ws2k3 | idlestranger: i think i found the issue. its a malware crypo minder thing |
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| 22:47.44 | idlestranger | ahh |
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| 23:12.54 | deadrom | deb8 (server is bound for upgrade, I know), realtek rtl 8169 chip. blinkenlights but no dhcp lease. need fancy firmware? |
| 23:13.34 | sney | yes, r8169 uses firmware, packaged in firmware-realtek |
| 23:13.36 | ws2k3 | deadrom: try to configure a static ip and see if it works. i would not suspect a fancy firmware... |
| 23:13.48 | ratrace | but... rtl8169 works for me even without firmware |
| 23:13.50 | jezebel | shouldnt it tell you in the kernel logs? |
| 23:14.09 | jhutchins | !r8169 |
| 23:14.09 | dpkg | r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver. |
| 23:14.52 | sney | mine uses firmware, it's specifically a RTL8211E, it might vary by specific chip |
| 23:15.03 | jhutchins | deadrom: Firmware messages show up in dmesg | grep firmware |
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| 23:18.10 | deadrom | ah, "interfaces" only had entries for eth0, but this interface now registeres as eth2 |
| 23:18.57 | ratrace | might be good idea to lock your eth0 to NIC's MAC . That's the _real_ predictable naming thing. |
| 23:19.08 | deadrom | I added iface eth2 inet dhcp and restarted networking, still no lease. I brought the inteface up manually with ifconfig and now have a connection |
| 23:20.30 | deadrom | I'll install a nic eintel card anyway but for now this has to do. now getting it to auto-lease... uncomment eth0 since gone? |
| 23:21.50 | sney | if your interface name is wandering, I'd follow ratrace's advice and use a udev rule or systemd link (I don't remember the approach for jessie) to lock it in place |
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| 23:24.38 | deadrom | ratrace: I had to switch motherboards, I'm fairly certain it will come up as eth2 next time, but I'll keep it in mind |
| 23:27.44 | deadrom | it's actually possible it's tied to xfce's network manager... xfce won't start right now, Xorg shenanigans after the hardware change, was intel, now is nouveu, lightdm was not happy |
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| 23:28.17 | sney | network-manager ignores any interfaces specified in /etc/network/interfaces so it's one or the other where that's concerned |
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| 23:29.15 | deadrom | ok, then I got no net becuase X did not come up |
| 23:29.42 | jhutchins | deadrom: You haven't even taken fifteen seconds to look at dmesg, have you? |
| 23:31.25 | deadrom | jhutchins: network? yes, it loaded r8169 and then did not mention the module further, stop the blame |
| 23:31.46 | jhutchins | deadrom: Did you search for firmware? |
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| 23:32.27 | deadrom | yes, mentioned 8169e |
| 23:32.49 | deadrom | and since the nix came up manually the firmware question was done |
| 23:33.02 | jhutchins | Did it say it was loading it, or that it was not found? |
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| 23:34.51 | deadrom | jhutchins: no direct loading |
| 23:34.56 | deadrom | uh |
| 23:35.00 | jhutchins | deadrom: There is a new interface naming mechanism that will always use the same ID for each interface. You might look into that. The old udev rules preserved old cards that had been removed. eth2 would imply that your system has seen 3. |
| 23:35.05 | deadrom | no, it sais "direct loading" |
| 23:35.19 | deadrom | yes perfectly possible |
| 23:36.05 | jhutchins | Ok, you didn't mention checking the firmwrae (that I saw, I'm doing other things). Do you have a handle on how to use the interfaces file? |
| 23:36.42 | deadrom | jhutchins: yes, clarified, this "pseudo server" has X, ans network manager in xfce takes care of things so interfaces, I am told, does not matter much |
| 23:37.11 | deadrom | task at hand now: "why does that old sata controller not see the 4 drives behind it" |
| 23:37.25 | deadrom | yeah yeah ask dmesg |
| 23:39.12 | deadrom | f?!*s### no trace of it. where is it. |
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| 23:41.33 | deadrom | ok stuck on that one. machine has 3 sata controllers, bit hard to tell which is which. amd chipset ports are accounted for and working, but then I have two JMicron JMB363 devices, but can't tell which is which. on it sit 4 sata drives which I can hear and feel running but I don't see the drives |
| 23:42.21 | deadrom | machine has several Hitachi and now some new Seagate, dmesg mentions the Hitachis but not the Seagates. cat /proc/partitions does not see them either |
| 23:43.38 | jhutchins | deadrom: Ok, sorry for the redundancy. You understand that if you configure the nic with infaces, NM is supposed to ignore it, and it should just work. |
| 23:44.11 | jhutchins | deadrom: I understand that some of the stuff that used to go into dmesg may be getting sucked up by systemd's journaling. |
| 23:44.38 | deadrom | jhutchins: redundancy is ok, I rather take two people answering than none, but please think better of me than not to check logs ;) |
| 23:44.56 | deadrom | systemd is a good hint though |
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| 23:51.21 | Gigglebyte | Does anyone know of a power management utility that would prevent my laptop from overcharging the capacitors on my motherboad? I just found out that my motherboard was damaged from capacitors being overcharged. In the subject case, the battery was no good, and I just plugged the laptop in, and used it. But apparently this was a mistake, and I didn't realize it. Repair shop says the motherboard has maybe 6 months before it |
| 23:51.21 | Gigglebyte | completely goes. It is an older Dell Vostro that worked perfectly otherwise. |
| 23:52.55 | deadrom | "overcharged capacitors"? |
| 23:53.08 | deadrom | and they told you that while the thing now works that it will die? |
| 23:53.33 | deadrom | what-- does it work right now or not? |
| 23:54.26 | deadrom | how do you know of the damage? how does the damage manifest? how do you know caps are damaged? |
| 23:54.49 | deadrom | i think they're trying to sell you a new laptop |