| 00:00.02 | asterismo_l | going back to kernel 4.19 |
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| 00:02.40 | mrkramps | aypea[0], the full cd flacs have a cue sheet embedded? |
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| 00:04.51 | asterismo_l | ok, kernel 4.19 fine, it is 5.9 that does not works with nouveau |
| 00:05.14 | asterismo_l | module is loaded but graphics is low res |
| 00:05.25 | asterismo_l | 4.19 loads fine |
| 00:06.59 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, maybe 5.9 would also required newer firmware, but at least it is back to "normal" now |
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| 00:07.15 | asterismo_l | any acpi line in grub? |
| 00:07.24 | asterismo_l | i could try? |
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| 00:09.04 | mrkramps | there are plenty https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html |
| 00:10.05 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, acpi_sleep could be interesting ⦠maybe |
| 00:10.46 | asterismo_l | how would be the line to edit then? |
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| 00:11.54 | mrkramps | asterismo_l, by adding the boot parameter including a promising value |
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| 00:13.16 | mrkramps | i'd recommend reading about everything about suspend (use browser search) in the linked admin guide |
| 00:13.40 | mrkramps | and then have fun testing for the rest of the night ;) |
| 00:17.17 | Howie69 | Well... |
| 00:17.35 | mrkramps | don't say it |
| 00:17.35 | Howie69 | still playing with adding a bridge and filtering vlans on one of my 6 vms on this server... |
| 00:17.44 | Howie69 | and I somehow broke VMware |
| 00:17.55 | Howie69 | because now the host is unresponsive |
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| 00:41.40 | ryouma | for a thumb drive, which version of debian will deal with discard or trim (or whatever it is |
| 00:42.12 | ryouma | and wha tdo i do to use it (i presume leacving blank space is not n3ecessary?) |
| 00:42.50 | ryouma | (i am guessing merely add discard to crypttab and fstab but unsure) |
| 00:43.16 | mrkramps | ryouma, usb sticks do not support TRIM |
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| 00:44.13 | koollman | some do. |
| 00:48.32 | ryouma | should i add blank space at end? |
| 00:49.13 | koollman | not needed |
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| 01:05.14 | ryouma | ok. well, i will try badblocks. although i suspect it will take a few days on the half tb drive. |
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| 01:05.28 | ryouma | (it waws left in hot mailbox) |
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| 01:11.27 | Howie69 | https://pastebin.com/uJfTgT7K |
| 01:11.43 | Howie69 | Somehow that broke not only the vm, but the entire server |
| 01:13.09 | Howie69 | did it somehow add a vlan to a vlan? |
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| 02:06.10 | trui | i'm trying to get into gpg stuff. what's the best way to view your private key so you can write it down? |
| 02:06.35 | wrycode | trui: the whole private key or a fingerprint? |
| 02:07.08 | wrycode | fingerprint: gpg -k yourname |
| 02:07.28 | trui | the whole one, to make a physical copy. might be overkill, but eh. wrycode |
| 02:10.38 | wrycode | trui: gpg -a --export-secret-keys yourname |
| 02:11.20 | wrycode | there are some good guides out there, I can't remember which ones I used |
| 02:11.36 | trui | thanks, wrycode |
| 02:11.42 | wrycode | gpg's not too bad if you take an hour or two to understand it |
| 02:12.04 | trui | i figure i might as well get used to doing stuff properly so when i actually need it, i won't be lost. |
| 02:15.48 | wrycode | that private key will still be encrypted with your passphrase I think, but you can also use something like gpg -c -a -o backup.txt key.txt with a longer passphrase if you're concerned about they physical safety of the printed key |
| 02:16.36 | trui | though i might delay making a handwritten copy until later, haha. wow that's big. |
| 02:17.08 | wrycode | it might be big if you have signatures on your key, you can strip those to make it smaller |
| 02:17.38 | wrycode | --clean or something like that, it's in the man page somewhere |
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| 02:19.28 | wrycode | also if you frequently change the expiration date your key will accumulate self signatures |
| 02:21.20 | trui | i guess the important thing is the revocation cert, and that's fortunately smaller. |
| 02:21.48 | wrycode | yes |
| 02:22.15 | wrycode | if you have the key backed up you can always revoke it anyway |
| 02:22.25 | wrycode | unless you're kidnapped or whatever |
| 02:23.22 | wrycode | pgp was doing blockchain before it was cool |
| 02:23.29 | edlou | any of you fellows using bspwm on deb and able to get mod1 to work? :( |
| 02:25.22 | mrkramps | edlou, what is mod1 (alt?) supposed to do? |
| 02:25.41 | edlou | mrkramps: trying to use it as a pointer_modifier, but it wont work. mod4(super), shift, control all seem to work fine |
| 02:25.48 | edlou | mod1 shows up properly in xmodmap too, im so beat |
| 02:27.26 | mrkramps | edlou, what is a pointer_modifier in bspwm? like key combo alt + mouse1? |
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| 02:27.44 | edlou | mrkramps: yes, basically |
| 02:30.39 | mrkramps | edlou, you're using plain bspwm? |
| 02:30.56 | mrkramps | not as an additional wm in desktop env? |
| 02:31.06 | edlou | yeah plain bspwm |
| 02:32.55 | mrkramps | edlou, using an alternate shell instead of bash? |
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| 02:33.47 | edlou | yes, zsh |
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| 02:34.47 | mrkramps | edlou, sxhkd in use? definitely no conflicting key combos? |
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| 02:35.14 | edlou | none |
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| 02:35.56 | mrkramps | edlou, bspwm from repro or compiled from source? |
| 02:35.57 | edlou | they seem to have changed the pointer from sxhkdrc to now be bspc config rules |
| 02:36.06 | edlou | source |
| 02:37.31 | edlou | https://github.com/baskerville/sxhkd/issues/77#issuecomment-234911333 i just dont understand how everything but mod1 will work lol |
| 02:39.12 | mrkramps | edlou, you've mod1 as pointer_modifier still set in sxhkdrc? |
| 02:39.19 | edlou | no |
| 02:39.25 | edlou | only inside bspwmrc |
| 02:39.48 | edlou | but changing it in the terminal will work instantly between shift,control, and super(mod4), just not mod1 |
| 02:40.11 | edlou | i can't rationalize what would cause mod1 to not work, it shows in xmodmap, the alt key works with sxhkdrc commands.. im lost |
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| 02:43.11 | mrkramps | edlou, but you have alt+key combos defined in sxhkdrc? |
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| 02:43.23 | edlou | mrkramps: yes, and those are working |
| 02:43.38 | edlou | like "ctrl + alt + Return" |
| 02:43.45 | mrkramps | edlou, disable them just for some more testing |
| 02:43.51 | phantomcircuit | which package is the file /usr/bin/mt from? dpkg -S /usr/bin/mt doesn't return a result, im confused |
| 02:44.48 | edlou | mrkramps: that worked... |
| 02:44.50 | edlou | =/ |
| 02:45.23 | edlou | what in heck am i going to do now.. sxhkd hogs the mod1 key but not the others? this makes no sense |
| 02:45.28 | mrkramps | so pointer_modifier should be free then |
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| 02:46.00 | mrkramps | or do you have combos with other mod keys defined in sxhkd |
| 02:46.06 | mrkramps | THIS NAME SUCKS!!!!! |
| 02:46.14 | mrkramps | s x h k d |
| 02:46.17 | mrkramps | gargh |
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| 02:46.23 | edlou | what i did was just pkill sxhkd and tested the pointer_modifier and it instantly worked with mod1 |
| 02:46.24 | mrkramps | sry |
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| 02:47.08 | edlou | omg i am so confused.. |
| 02:47.17 | edlou | NOW when i set mod1 inside bspwmrc it wants work.. |
| 02:47.54 | edlou | well, tyvm mrkramps for helping me, it works, but i cant make sense of this |
| 02:48.08 | edlou | god forbid i try to reproduce this =/ i already have enough noob issues to get through |
| 02:48.37 | mrkramps | edlou, this interfering keyboard stuff is not a rare issue |
| 02:48.43 | mrkramps | hard to debug but happens |
| 02:49.13 | mrkramps | edlou, file a bug report in bspwm upstream |
| 02:49.28 | mrkramps | i could not find a matching issue |
| 02:51.12 | mrkramps | phantomcircuit, good question ⦠my deb foo just fails me oO |
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| 02:53.28 | mrkramps | phantomcircuit, /usr/bin/mt is part of debian's alternative system and in gerneral seems to point to /bin/mt.gu from cpio package |
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| 02:53.43 | mrkramps | s/mt.gnu/mt-gnu/ |
| 02:54.56 | phantomcircuit | mrkramps, thank you that helped me |
| 02:55.06 | mrkramps | you're welcome :) |
| 02:55.54 | edlou | mrkramps: any chance you have any idea on class/title names and floating on bspwm? i can get "VirtualBox Manager" to float with a bspc rule but not "VirtualBox Machine" |
| 02:56.04 | edlou | [class="VirtualBox Machine" id=53413024 instance="VirtualBox Machine" |
| 02:56.37 | mrkramps | edlou, xprop and xwininfo should be your friend |
| 02:56.56 | mrkramps | but tbh i am just guessing stuff here ⦠never used bspwm myself :D |
| 02:58.04 | edlou | using window_id=`xwininfo -int | sed -nre "s/^xwininfo: Window id: ($match_int) .*$/\1/p"` inside a script to get names but it only works on the manager |
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| 02:59.21 | mrkramps | edlou, lemme check da internets ⦠VBox running VMs should have a window name or class |
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| 03:04.18 | mrkramps | edlou, you've run xwininfo manually on the VM window? |
| 03:04.46 | edlou | mrkramps: yes |
| 03:05.01 | edlou | WM_CLASS(STRING) = "VirtualBox Machine", "VirtualBox Machine" |
| 03:05.12 | edlou | and the one for the manager is the same but Manager/Machine |
| 03:05.25 | edlou | which makes it even odder that Manager floats, Machine doesnt -_- |
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| 03:09.35 | ripdisk | hey guys. |
| 03:09.47 | ripdisk | I just tried to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch |
| 03:09.55 | alex11 | your name does not inspire confidence |
| 03:10.18 | ripdisk | and everything was going well until it wanted to "upgrade the phpmyadmin database" |
| 03:10.28 | ripdisk | and it tried, but i completely forgot my passwords for that because it was a LONG time ago |
| 03:10.30 | ripdisk | anyway |
| 03:10.41 | ripdisk | this is how the upgrade ended: |
| 03:10.55 | mrkramps | mysql -> mariadb? |
| 03:12.04 | ripdisk | https://pastebin.com/tdtd8BPj |
| 03:12.21 | ripdisk | is that normal?? |
| 03:12.31 | ripdisk | because when i do lsb_release -a it says i'm on stretch now |
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| 03:13.58 | mrkramps | ripdisk, sudo apt-get install -f |
| 03:14.32 | mrkramps | edlou, i am afraid i am out of idea ⦠not running bspwm and VBox myself i cannot reproduce |
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| 03:14.59 | ripdisk | what does -f do |
| 03:16.55 | ripdisk | oh ok |
| 03:16.56 | ripdisk | but |
| 03:17.03 | mrkramps | ripdisk, force something somthing not installed yet |
| 03:17.08 | ripdisk | now i got this error |
| 03:17.24 | ripdisk | https://pastebin.com/CLptSf2t |
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| 03:24.14 | ripdisk | ok uh |
| 03:24.17 | themill | -f is for "fix" |
| 03:24.23 | ripdisk | mrkramps |
| 03:24.28 | ripdisk | I uh, some how.... |
| 03:24.34 | ripdisk | idk i retried a few times, and then it said it worked |
| 03:24.37 | ripdisk | but it also said this |
| 03:25.04 | ripdisk | https://pastebin.com/9LYXj6ig |
| 03:26.35 | ripdisk | so |
| 03:26.43 | ripdisk | was phpadmin the last thing it was gonna upgrade? |
| 03:26.48 | ripdisk | did my upgrade complete now? |
| 03:27.15 | ripdisk | cos maybe i should just uninstall phpmyadmin completely and reinstall |
| 03:28.12 | mrkramps | ripdisk, reinstalling the package might help |
| 03:28.35 | mrkramps | apt-get clean first to remove downloaded packages from cache |
| 03:30.58 | ripdisk | i should uh |
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| 03:31.14 | ripdisk | probably reset my admin mysql password first before i reinstall huh |
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| 03:31.37 | rander2 | hello |
| 03:31.43 | wyoung | hi |
| 03:32.31 | rander2 | how may I have a isolate firefox ? I think to install firefox esr in a new account |
| 03:32.59 | rander2 | I mean use differents cookies and data folders |
| 03:33.11 | mrkramps | rander2, use a second profile? |
| 03:33.34 | rander2 | mrkramps, no a new user, another user on the same machine |
| 03:33.51 | rander2 | # /home/newuser |
| 03:34.12 | rander2 | is it a right solution ? |
| 03:35.26 | rander2 | hello |
| 03:36.08 | mrkramps | rander2, https://wiki.debian.org/UserAccounts |
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| 03:40.41 | rander2 | mrkramps, obvious I create a new user with adduser, after reboot and login |
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| 04:18.36 | ryouma | idk what mt does, but you find this stuff out with apt-file afaik ---19:43 <phantomcircuit> which package is the file /usr/bin/mt from? dpkg -S /usr/bin/mt doesn't return a result, im confused |
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| 04:25.11 | Wulf | dpkg -S $(readlink -ev $(which mt)) ==> cpio: /bin/mt-gnu |
| 04:25.11 | dpkg | Badgers ate my $(readlink -ev $(which mt)) ==> cpio: /bin/mt-gnu! |
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| 04:38.08 | ripdisk | OK so |
| 04:38.26 | ripdisk | i guess the upgrade worked, rebooted the server, says its on a 2020 kernel, says its running stretch |
| 04:38.37 | ripdisk | was able to get my mysql root pw changed |
| 04:38.56 | ripdisk | and I installed phpmyadmin via apt-get but dont remember what to do next yet |
| 04:39.02 | ripdisk | but thats enugh for tonight |
| 04:39.10 | ripdisk | its progress |
| 04:39.17 | ripdisk | it was wayyyyyy out of date |
| 04:39.27 | ripdisk | thanks |
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| 05:20.51 | CrystalMath | ,versions gnash |
| 05:20.52 | judd | Package: gnash on amd64 -- stretch: 0.8.11~git20160608-1.3 |
| 05:21.04 | CrystalMath | i wonder why it's gone in buster |
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| 05:41.01 | ryouma | is it possible to tell badblocks to default the last block while supplying the first block? |
| 05:41.23 | ryouma | like "badblocks -v -w -s -o badblocks.log /dev/sdf - 47484480"? |
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| 05:58.34 | awal1 | " apt -oDebug::pkgAcquire::Worker=1 install " doesn't hepl |
| 05:58.49 | awal1 | ^ help |
| 06:00.00 | awal1 | i'm installing 'papirus-icon-theme' in my sid vm but apt is stuck at 20% |
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| 06:02.34 | ansimita | !papirus-icon-theme broken in sid |
| 06:02.47 | ansimita | !broken in sid |
| 06:02.47 | dpkg | Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>, <break>. |
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| 06:57.56 | brachamh | lovin' the move to debian buster a few months ago! just happened to think to check my current uptime on my laptop, which i use every day, have had a firefox window open for the last week with up to ten tabs in it, evolution constantly running, hexchat, and other random apps. only thing i don't do anymore is leave facebook open in the browser. i'm now up 30 days and running solid! would never think of doing that with windows! kudos to linux, especially |
| 06:57.56 | brachamh | debian! |
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| 06:58.28 | alex11 | sir, this is a wendy's |
| 06:58.29 | alex11 | :P |
| 06:58.45 | alex11 | debian is indeed nice |
| 06:59.07 | brachamh | with windows i was usually restarting at least once a week just to keep things running smooth |
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| 07:07.08 | alex11 | for me debian feels really snappy |
| 07:07.17 | alex11 | and i've put the hardware through a fair amount of abuse |
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| 07:11.35 | brachamh | my one brother who's a computer tech (windows) keeps bugging me that my standards for computers are low, as all my systems (about 10 now, i think) are about 10 years old. |
| 07:12.20 | brachamh | i'm not that hard on them, although my "server" may occasionally work for a bit, and my wife watches alot of full screen netflix on her laptop |
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| 07:24.18 | Deyaa | How to use printf but without printing ? Is there any alternative functions? |
| 07:26.25 | solrize | ??? |
| 07:26.33 | solrize | you mean sprintf/snprintf? |
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| 08:01.58 | unixbsd | is it possible that mathomatic becomes fully GNU and opensource? it is not free, or completely seen the copyright |
| 08:02.39 | alex11 | it seems to be free already unixbsd? |
| 08:02.46 | alex11 | section: math |
| 08:02.55 | alex11 | if it were non-free it would say that in the section |
| 08:03.08 | unixbsd | the copyright seems a bit there |
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| 08:49.59 | generic | I want to increase my sound volume is there a way to add additional gain to the mixers ? |
| 08:52.40 | jmd | generic: I would think not, the mixer will always have a gain < 1. Add an external amplifier. |
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| 09:00.44 | generic | jmd, Its a notebook and I dont wanna carry and additional device. sound is quite loud when I run windows :( |
| 09:02.16 | unixbsd | it seems to me that yacas is based on mathomatic, maybe interesting to get this code into our repos.... http://chaos.math.wichita.edu/programming/proteus/ |
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| 09:35.44 | rk4 | don't suppose anyone would know why my usb keyboard doesn't work when booting dom0, brand new install |
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| 09:56.58 | shtrb | Does bluetooth keyboard/mice "sleep" is a software setting or a hardware setting in the devices themselvs ? |
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| 11:36.20 | jmd | How do I change the default keyboard layout? |
| 11:36.58 | shtrb | per DE or something else ? |
| 11:37.14 | shtrb | DE = Desktop Environment |
| 11:37.18 | jmd | the default |
| 11:37.35 | jmd | On the console |
| 11:38.39 | shtrb | Assuming you are using X , /etc/default/keyboard |
| 11:39.01 | jmd | No. Not X. The standard console. |
| 11:39.04 | jelly | !keymap |
| 11:39.04 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 11:39.38 | jelly | loadkeys command, for temporary changes |
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| 11:40.20 | shtrb | jmd, /etc/default/keyboard or as jelly said via keyboard-configuration should work for console too, I have no idea how wayland behaves and if it respect it. |
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| 11:42.02 | shtrb | And ofc wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 11:45.15 | jmd | jelly, shtrb: Thanks |
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| 11:50.35 | BlakesSeven | Hi. Just installed Debian 10.7.0 and I was noticing something that I'm a little confused about. I've got a lot of root privilege work to do on my system and I don't want to have to type sudo for every command. So, I su'd into root but the system still requires sudo to run certain command. How do I stop that? |
| 11:51.09 | BlakesSeven | Certain commandS as in plural. |
| 11:52.18 | BlakesSeven | Also, it doesn't appear that I can press tab to autocomplete partial commands when sudo is required. Is there a way to fix that too? |
| 11:52.36 | n4dir | you know have to use: su - |
| 11:52.42 | n4dir | ! buster su |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 11:53.18 | n4dir | there is a way araound that, but i don't know the according dpkg-bot infoname |
| 11:53.45 | n4dir | ls /etc/security/ |
| 11:54.16 | n4dir | sorry. |
| 11:54.23 | BlakesSeven | n4dir, so I logged in as a normal user, opened a terminal typed su root, inputted the required password. |
| 11:54.47 | BlakesSeven | su - ok |
| 11:54.51 | BlakesSeven | let me try that |
| 11:55.13 | BlakesSeven | ooooohhh, that's working! |
| 11:56.08 | n4dir | /etc/default/su:ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes |
| 11:56.45 | BlakesSeven | Linux always fascinates me with the most innocuous, seemingly trivial changes that fundamentally change its functions. |
| 11:56.50 | n4dir | i think so in the file /etc/default/su add ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes |
| 11:56.54 | n4dir | if that is what you prefer |
| 11:57.33 | n4dir | just so you know: i ran in the very same problem and had to ask here too :-) |
| 11:58.03 | BlakesSeven | I'd love to know the discussion that went on where someone said..."Hay guyzz, what if we change the way people su into root. It doesn't provide anymore security or anything, but I think it's a really kewl idea" |
| 11:58.23 | BlakesSeven | I think the developers just like to fuck with everyone. |
| 11:58.57 | BlakesSeven | n4dir, thanks |
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| 12:01.13 | n4dir | if i was better with the dpkg-bot it would have been more easy and fine-grained. Well, anyway, good it works |
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| 12:30.02 | Kadigan | Hey good people of #debian. I wanted to ask - I'm using GRUB as my bootloader, and I'm also using softraid (mirror) for my startup disk. Is there some way (that's not overly complicated and prone to breaking) through which I could tell it to keep the startup info up-to-date on both mirror disks? The boot information is not kept redundant... |
| 12:32.18 | Ede|Popede | does a setting exist for "minimum distance between to click signals" to treat them as double click? |
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| 12:57.58 | BlakesSeven | Kadigan, you'll need to install grub on both disks. Check this out: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/230349/how-to-correctly-install-grub-on-a-soft-raid-1 |
| 12:59.41 | BlakesSeven | Kadigan, if you don't do it before a disk failure and have to switch over to your mirrored disk then you'll need to make sure you have some distro liveUSB drive laying that you can use to boot the system and install grub to the mirrored volume then reboot from that mirrored volume. |
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| 13:08.02 | Kadigan | BlakesSeven: thank you. I already had a disk fail, but it was luck that the non-boot one failed (or, alternatively, both had it installed at install time). |
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| 13:08.10 | Kadigan | I'll read more about it. |
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| 14:56.43 | asterismo_l | hi, what do i have to do after editing /etc/default/grub to take effect? |
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| 14:57.25 | Wulf | asterismo_l: update-grub |
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| 15:22.31 | asterismo_l | Wulf, thanks |
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| 15:39.12 | asterismo_l | well, i stil cannot make my PC resume aftor suspend |
| 15:39.39 | asterismo_l | when resuming, i get distorted graphics and system hangs |
| 15:39.55 | Wulf | asterismo_l: tried disabling acpi? |
| 15:40.09 | asterismo_l | disabling acpi? |
| 15:40.26 | asterismo_l | wouldn't this disable PC ability to suspend? |
| 15:40.40 | Wulf | huh... maybe :) |
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| 15:40.56 | asterismo_l | i would like to suspend and resume |
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| 15:41.53 | Wulf | asterismo_l: I assume it's a problem with your computer's firmware. Perhaps you can upgrade it or use a more recent kernel, hoping that it includes a fix. |
| 15:42.01 | Wulf | asterismo_l: how old is your machine? |
| 15:42.30 | asterismo_l | it is a dual xeon dell workstation |
| 15:42.39 | asterismo_l | it is old yes |
| 15:42.52 | asterismo_l | but debian 7 used to suspend fine |
| 15:44.21 | Wulf | asterismo_l: and right now you're using a current OS? |
| 15:44.37 | asterismo_l | debian 10 |
| 15:46.36 | Wulf | asterismo_l: if you've got time to spend, you could try again with an old kernel version from debian 7 and use git-bisect to find out which kernel introduced the problem... |
| 15:46.55 | Wulf | asterismo_l: or you could try a backport kernel from debian 11 and hope for the best |
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| 15:51.07 | towo` | install a ssd and forget suspend |
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| 15:53.03 | asterismo_l | its like debian stopped supporting my PC |
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| 16:01.51 | quadrathoch2 | asterismo_l probably somebody accidently caused a bug, and because nobody reported it, it was never found out |
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| 16:06.18 | LtL | asterismo_l: did you upgrade debian 7 to debian 10, skipping 8 and 9, or clean install? |
| 16:08.17 | LtL | asterismo_l: also, do you have 'contrib' and 'non-free' in /etc/apt/sources.list with all firmware packages installed? |
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| 16:53.35 | asterismo_l | LtL, yes, debian 10 fresh install, skipping 8 and 9 |
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| 16:55.21 | asterismo_l | LtL, yes all firmwares installed |
| 16:56.01 | unixbsd | hello |
| 16:56.17 | unixbsd | where is the image of debian img.gz for a raspberry pi rpi3b? |
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| 17:03.13 | Mister00X | !raspberry |
| 17:03.13 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #debian-raspberrypi on OFTC #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:03.39 | Mister00X | unixbsd: you could have a look there |
| 17:04.16 | sney | probably looking for https://raspi.debian.net/ |
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| 17:04.53 | sney | that dpkg factoid is a little dated, only referring to the original armv7 pi hardware |
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| 17:05.53 | Mister00X | Oh didn't I knew that |
| 17:06.01 | sponix | unixbsd: normally on the Pi "Raspbian" runs best. It is based on Debian, but modified to in some ways specific to the Pi |
| 17:06.42 | quadrathoch2 | eh, I run debian on a 3b, and never had issues |
| 17:07.22 | unixbsd | hhow do you get the image to sdÃ? is there an image to install? raspi-os? |
| 17:07.45 | sney | !raspbian |
| 17:07.45 | dpkg | Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. https://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:08.19 | sney | unixbsd: if you want to use raspbian, go to the above and follow their instructions. if you want to use one of the raspi.debian.net images, it's the same as writing any image to usb/sd card |
| 17:08.32 | sney | unixbsd: I know you already know how to use ddd. |
| 17:08.35 | sney | dd, even. |
| 17:09.36 | EmleyMoor | What's a good way, on buster, to have the user's session automatically start x0vncserver with some defined parameters? I need this to be able to "pull up a chair" and assist my partner with his system 130 miles away as though I was sitting next to him, yet at present I have to start it manually from a shell in his name. |
| 17:09.50 | quadrathoch2 | unixbsd just as a reminder, the images from raspi.debian.net are very minimal, you would need to build it up from the ground (for example bash-completion is not a default) |
| 17:11.32 | unixbsd | I have minetest, but way too few mods, on raspi os, but I believe using debian real one, might give more packages right? |
| 17:14.09 | sney | debian's archive is usually bigger than what derivatives have, yes |
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| 17:29.00 | Peyam | hi, I am trying to create a bootable USB stick of debian 10.7 on Debian |
| 17:29.04 | Peyam | I use the dd command |
| 17:29.18 | Peyam | but when booting I get the error that it can not find the efi something |
| 17:29.35 | sney | did you sync after running dd? |
| 17:29.57 | Peyam | this id the command |
| 17:30.20 | Peyam | sudo dd if=path_to_file of=Path_to_usb bs=4M && sync |
| 17:31.04 | sney | ok. so that installer stick should be fine. |
| 17:31.21 | sney | where do you see the efi error? can you give any more details? |
| 17:31.32 | Peyam | when I boot the usb |
| 17:32.10 | sney | is it the first thing you see when you turn on the computer? |
| 17:32.33 | Peyam | yes |
| 17:32.48 | sney | ok. do it again, and write down the whole error message, and then come back. |
| 17:33.11 | Peyam | https://pastebin.com/feTKrG30 |
| 17:33.17 | Peyam | okey I will |
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| 17:37.51 | dff | hi, im making a debian template for future VMs - ive added a su and added my rsa key, enabled ufw to only accept 22 from private addresses and changed sshd_conf to disallow root login and password auth and AllowUsers to my user. Is there anything else i should do to harden the template? |
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| 17:40.43 | Peyam | hi again. The error is "can not open EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi " "can not load image EFI\BOOT\mmx64.efi . Can not load MokManager |
| 17:42.01 | sney | do you only see that error when trying to boot from the usb? |
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| 17:43.59 | Peyam | yes |
| 17:45.06 | sney | do you have another usb stick you can try? the command you used should work 100%, if the installer is still corrupted it may be a problem with the flash memory itself |
| 17:45.14 | Peyam | it is a efi boot setting oon the partition with efi |
| 17:45.31 | sney | yes, the debian installer fully supports efi and secure boot. |
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| 18:03.47 | Peyam | it is the name grub64.efi |
| 18:03.54 | Peyam | it has to change to mmx64.efi |
| 18:09.06 | spinningCat | i installed woe-usb with snap but i cannot execute it |
| 18:09.20 | spinningCat | woe-usb doesnt show up in application screen |
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| 18:29.03 | unixbsd | the website of pi, is so depressing, there is no downloads even. https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/... man, we need pure debian on a pi. I read that it is to build from scratch to get real debian above in your post |
| 18:30.18 | sney | unixbsd: bud, I know your english is kind of rough, but where do you get "build from scratch" on raspi.debian.net? |
| 18:30.30 | sney | did you ignore the big "Download tested images" link right in the top of the page? |
| 18:30.42 | unixbsd | I want debian not raspios. |
| 18:30.58 | sney | and I am talking about raspi.debian.net |
| 18:31.09 | unixbsd | I saw above that debian is to built from scratch. I need to check above... (in irssi). |
| 18:31.43 | unixbsd | raspios is powered by evilish closed source companies. pi is not fully free and opensource. there is numerous close source in it .... evilish a bit. |
| 18:31.58 | sney | the raspi.debian.net images are small, so they don't have a lot of packages, but you get a working debian system with apt. then you can install whatever you want. |
| 18:32.20 | unixbsd | and what about debian.org? |
| 18:33.05 | sney | debian.org only publishes installers. you can use the armhf installer from debian.org, maybe, and do some bootloader stuff manually. |
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| 18:33.48 | sney | the images are provided by a debian developer to get around that process. look, just go to raspi.debian.net in your browser and read what it tells you |
| 18:34.58 | quadrathoch2 | spinningCat did you follow the instructions to install snap (as you need to add a few manual steps) |
| 18:35.07 | spinningCat | yeah |
| 18:35.20 | spinningCat | anyway i managed to install woeusb from git repo |
| 18:35.27 | quadrathoch2 | k |
| 18:35.28 | unixbsd | ah ok,.I see, I have to put fat32 and put uboot myself to get debian. well, it is fine. |
| 18:35.50 | unixbsd | Does debian on rpi3b have as well debootstrap technology? |
| 18:36.29 | sney | of course, any system that can boot a linux kernel and bash has "debootstrap technology" |
| 18:37.21 | unixbsd | sney: if the script is populated for the release, buster,... into the /usr directory. you wont potatoe since the script is no longer in the usr dir. |
| 18:38.04 | sney | that didn't make any sense so I'll just *nod* |
| 18:38.36 | unixbsd | debootstrap has a directory, needed to get it work. let me check on packages debian... |
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| 18:40.26 | unixbsd | ah yeah, the so called script: https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/debootstrap/filelist |
| 18:40.54 | unixbsd | ah man, still potato is in it. wow |
| 18:42.05 | unixbsd | so actually, it is possible to debootstrap debian from raspios, and then, to copy the content instead of raspios (removing raspios, and caring abut lib/modules and the kernel). |
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| 18:44.29 | quadrathoch2 | oO unixbsd why not just use the debian image? |
| 18:45.10 | unixbsd | I am scared of the debian installer and how to boot, unless the installer does care about uboot. |
| 18:45.50 | quadrathoch2 | unixbsd oO? there is no debian installer in the image. it's a bootstrapped system |
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| 18:59.01 | unixbsd | quadrathoch2: I am trying with deboostrap, on top of image of raspios,. then, wont work, I will try the real debian installaer |
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| 18:59.56 | quadrathoch2 | just use the raspi.debian.net images, those work |
| 19:00.03 | quadrathoch2 | why do it harder than you have to |
| 19:00.26 | sney | quadrathoch2: forget it, once unixbsd decides to do it the hard way there's no changing it |
| 19:00.44 | sney | I'm just glad slackware didn't come up for once. :P |
| 19:00.49 | quadrathoch2 | sney kk :) will remember it |
| 19:01.26 | unixbsd | sney: there is no slackware, no longer existing, the only boot loader is grub2. no lilo anylonger. all working. |
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| 20:07.25 | strk | can you think of reasons why myhost.local does not resolve, from Debian GNU/Linux 9.12 (stretch) ? |
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| 20:14.39 | vegenaise | system recently crashed and getting the error upon bootup, /dev/sdb1: unexpected inconsistency; run fsck manually. (i.e., without -a or -p options). fsck exited with status code 4 the root filesystem on /dev/sdb1/ requires a manual fsck |
| 20:14.55 | vegenaise | here's my fstab, https://pastebin.com/KLjg1Bkv |
| 20:15.05 | vegenaise | im a linux noob, on a live cd right now, wondering how i can fix this issue |
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| 20:16.02 | nkuttler | vegenaise: run fsck on the device |
| 20:17.18 | vegenaise | ok, so i take it it's an executeable. like from the terminal after it fails to boot i can just do sudo fsck and that'll do the trick? |
| 20:18.38 | sney | you will need to specify /dev/sdb, but yes. see 'fsck --help' |
| 20:19.12 | vegenaise | sney, will /dev/sdb be sufficient or do i need to specify sdb1? |
| 20:19.23 | sney | sdb1, right. |
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| 20:19.45 | vegenaise | awesome thank you so much sney, thank you nkuttler :) |
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| 20:26.48 | vegenaise | sooo,i tried to run fsck and it said "error 2 (no such file or directory) while executing fsck.ext2 for /dev/sdb1/" |
| 20:27.11 | sney | did you run it from your live environment? |
| 20:27.25 | vegenaise | also i couldn't run it as sudo; "/bin/sh: sudo: not found" |
| 20:27.46 | sney | if you're already root you don't need sudo. |
| 20:27.46 | vegenaise | sney, no i did not, tried to reboot and run it from the main system terminal |
| 20:28.28 | nkuttler | vegenaise: there shouldn't be a trailing slash on /dev/sdb1/ |
| 20:28.33 | vegenaise | i don't believe it was in root, all it says in the comman prompt is "(initramfs)" |
| 20:28.40 | nkuttler | but if you booted and that is your root you can't fsck it anyway |
| 20:28.43 | sney | this is you in the other #debian right? from that system, *that* shell, fsck the disk. [13:07:40] <live> im a linux noob, on a live cd right now, wondering how i can fix this issue |
| 20:28.58 | vegenaise | right sney |
| 20:30.09 | vegenaise | sney, are you saying i should run it from the live cd? running it from the shell on the system itself, (not the live system), gave me that aforementioned error |
| 20:30.23 | sney | yes I am saying you should run it from the live cd |
| 20:30.39 | vegenaise | ok wonderful, i'll give that a shot one sec |
| 20:32.06 | vegenaise | sney, here's the output: https://pastebin.com/HRP4gJSS |
| 20:32.24 | vegenaise | should i choose optimize? not sure how to proceed or if it worked |
| 20:32.33 | sney | yes, hit y for anything it suggests y for |
| 20:32.47 | sney | you can likely just press enter |
| 20:35.43 | vegenaise | ok. got through it all. lots to fix apparently. will attempt to boot into it now |
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| 20:40.23 | vegenaise | that worked, back in my main system. many thanks for taking the time, sney! :) |
| 20:40.38 | sney | np, and for future reference, |
| 20:40.41 | sney | !crosspost |
| 20:40.41 | dpkg | Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>. |
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| 20:42.03 | vegenaise | most def, the other debian channel looked kinda dead and i am used to freenode and fast responses and more engagement. also i didn't realize that there would be considered a connection between to disparate irc networks. but i will keep it in mind all the same thanks |
| 20:42.21 | vegenaise | have a good day! |
| 20:42.25 | sney | you too |
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| 20:43.15 | Kobaz | buster -- I'm getting: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat: Exception: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'dependencies' |
| 20:45.06 | sney | Kobaz: is that buster without systemd? if /run/systemd/system is present that script should exit without doing anything. |
| 20:45.16 | Kobaz | It's without systemd, yes |
| 20:45.24 | sney | is it debian or devuan |
| 20:45.44 | Kobaz | debian |
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| 20:46.56 | sney | it's a pretty simple shell script, do you have something non bash/dash as /bin/sh? |
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| 20:47.26 | Kobaz | nope |
| 20:47.32 | Kobaz | well, i doubt it's that script |
| 20:47.46 | Kobaz | the source of the error seems to be /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily |
| 20:48.20 | Kobaz | i upgraded apt from 1.8.2.1 to 1.8.2.2 |
| 20:48.22 | Kobaz | so we'll see... |
| 20:48.30 | Kobaz | since package apt provides /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily |
| 20:48.48 | Kobaz | I'm running /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily manually and going to check if there's still an error |
| 20:48.56 | sney | good plan |
| 20:49.29 | Kobaz | just wondering if that's a known issue.... the googles isn't showing much to do with that error and apt/debian |
| 20:49.38 | Kobaz | it's a python script error |
| 20:50.12 | Kobaz | so... something that /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily is then executing that happens to be in python is throwing it |
| 20:50.25 | sney | it's working normally on my buster VMs (and 2 bullseye systems) but those are with systemd, so you may have found an issue that only exists with your alternative init system |
| 20:50.45 | sney | which would be a bug worth reporting |
| 20:50.47 | Kobaz | which is sysvinit |
| 20:50.50 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 20:55.17 | GNewBistro | hello, i installed buster without "contrib" and "nonfree" with the intension to run on free software. but it seems to require special work regarding the radeon rx590 gpu, because X wont start |
| 20:55.34 | Kobaz | same error after the upgrade |
| 20:55.41 | GNewBistro | it says "no screens found" and "xinit: connection refused" but i guess its about the display driver |
| 20:55.59 | sney | GNewBistro: yep, the radeon and amdgpu drivers both require some non-free firmware blobs to work fully |
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| 20:56.28 | GNewBistro | is there a walk around with a free driver? |
| 20:56.42 | sney | GNewBistro: you might be able to get a display by blacklisting them and forcing Xorg to use software rendering, maybe |
| 20:56.51 | sney | but it would suck |
| 20:57.39 | quadrathoch2 | the newest gpu without a blob is a nvidia geforce gt 710 >< |
| 20:57.40 | GNewBistro | i experimented with /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf and or with a boot option in /etc/default/grub without success |
| 20:58.32 | unixbsd | I have managed to boot up debian on a raspberry with debootstrap |
| 20:59.19 | unixbsd | I copied the /lib/modules and the /boot/ from raspios, and then I populated the mmc p1 and p2 with it. I edited /boot/cmdline.txt to have the UUID and shadow without *. it boots. |
| 20:59.20 | GNewBistro | looking up infos via lynx is not much fun |
| 21:00.48 | sney | GNewBistro: if you want to use the amd driver, the firmware blob is required, and no module or boot options will change that. if you don't care about hardware acceleration, you should try forcing xorg to use vesa. |
| 21:01.05 | unixbsd | it boots way way faster than pios. debian is fast, but it is in RO, not rw. Here the dmesg of rpi3b real debian: https://termbin.com/9vft (installed with debootstrap). |
| 21:01.29 | sney | unixbsd: do you have a support question or are you just sharing? |
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| 21:02.28 | unixbsd | well, it is about RO, how to make it read and write .... now.. |
| 21:02.29 | GNewBistro | sney: i wanted to sacrifice speed and features for freedom, but now i am not too sure anymore |
| 21:02.46 | sney | unixbsd: mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 21:02.56 | unixbsd | I get a try. thank you. |
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| 21:03.27 | strk | puzzling: "ping cdb" works, "ping cdb.local" does not, but "cdb" resolves clearly via avahi |
| 21:03.43 | strk | how can I debug names resolution ? |
| 21:04.13 | strk | sorry, it's even wost |
| 21:04.15 | strk | worst |
| 21:04.21 | strk | `host cdb` resolves, while `ping cdb` does not |
| 21:04.49 | unixbsd | sney: wow, it worked, real debian! thank you, mount -o remount,rw / did it. it is rw. |
| 21:04.50 | sney | GNewBistro: if you want to use the amd driver but you don't want to enable non-free on your system, you can download the firmware-amd-graphics .deb from https://packages.debian.org/ and install it manually. it doesn't have any extra dependencies. |
| 21:05.20 | unixbsd | sney: I am just curious if the real debian is faster than raspios.... |
| 21:05.21 | sney | unixbsd: if it didn't do that automatically there may be something funny in your fstab. linux systems are supposed to remount the root fs as rw during the init process. |
| 21:05.33 | GNewBistro | thank you sney |
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| 21:07.01 | strk | web browser does NOT resolve at all |
| 21:08.28 | sney | strk: see 'man nsswitch.conf' for how debian prioritizes name resolution |
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| 21:09.18 | strk | thanks sney . I was wrong about web browser not resolving, but I'm puzzled by 'host' and 'ping' using different rules |
| 21:09.37 | strk | I'm guessing one of the two is some old piece of code |
| 21:10.22 | unixbsd | sney: lets compare with dd what it outputs between raspios and real debian: " dd if=/dev/zero bs=4096 count=1048576 | ssh localhost 'cat > /dev/null' " |
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| 21:11.23 | sney | unixbsd: the performance bottleneck on a pi is usually the hardware, they are not powerful systems. I doubt there's much practical difference between raspbian and debian, particularly with low-level i/o. |
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| 21:11.33 | sney | if raspbian seems slower, it's probably because it has more bundled services. |
| 21:11.40 | sney | but in any case that's a bit offtopic for #debian. |
| 21:11.54 | unixbsd | on plan9, the rpi3b is very boosting. very fast |
| 21:12.47 | unixbsd | well, sney, I guess debian may or should or could offer as well an image for raspberry. fully opensource, free from main repos. |
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| 21:16.48 | unixbsd | soo... welll 365.501 seconds on real debian Versus 178.152 s, on raspios. well, debian is slower. |
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| 21:30.54 | Rippie | evening. i just installed apache on my Raspberri Pi and looking at a guide that says to run `cd var/www` and `sudo chown pi: html` but looking at etc/group i dont have a html group only a www-data. i assume www-data is correct? |
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| 21:32.44 | jmcnaught | Rippie: www-data is the default owner of /var/www/html, and is also the default user that apache2 runs as on Debian. If you are using raspbian/raspberry pi os then things may be different. |
| 21:34.17 | sney | Rippie: see man chown, that documentation is telling you to change the ownership of the html directory, it is not referring to a html group |
| 21:35.15 | Rippie | sorry.. i did look at https://pimylifeup.com/chown-command/#:~:text=%20The%20Basics%20of%20the%20chown%20Command%20,the%20chown%20command%20to%20recursively%20take...%20More%20 for chown :) |
| 21:35.29 | sney | !man |
| 21:35.29 | dpkg | man is, like, a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>. |
| 21:38.14 | Rippie | thank you.. :) |
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| 21:56.55 | defanor | Is there something other than resolvconf (and set by default) in Debian 10 that updates /etc/resolv.conf based on "dns-nameservers" from ifquery? |
| 22:01.15 | jmcnaught | defanor: configuring an interface with DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces would update /etc/resolv.conf. Running dhclient manually also updates /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 22:01.48 | jmcnaught | defanor: the dns-nameservers directive in /e/n/interfaces comes from the resolvconf package. |
| 22:03.01 | jmcnaught | defanor: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:03.03 | defanor | jmcnaught: Oh, DHCP would explain it. I just don't have resolvconf installed, but have dns-nameservers set, and the same servers are getting set in resolv.conf -- wondered whether it may be some alternative to resolvconf setting it. |
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| 22:34.44 | Ademan | I haven't seen anything indicating this is possible, but can you trust a package signing key *only for specific packages* ? This seems like an obvious feature, you might conditionally trust certain keys and want to block if they suddenly provide linux-generic or something. I suppose any package you install has a lot of capability to circumvent that, is that why it hasn't been done? Has there been any |
| 22:34.50 | Ademan | discussion around something like this? |
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| 23:31.01 | nifker | Why is there no such package for qt5? But qt4-linguist-tools exists? |
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| 23:31.33 | mmance | I am trying to change the gdm3 resolution on buster |
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| 23:32.07 | themill | Ademan: I remember the apt people talking about this and I thought it existed in bullsye/sid already (but I can't find it in the documentation) |
| 23:33.00 | themill | nifker: qttools5-dev-tools has lrelease and lupdate if that's what you're looking for |
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| 23:55.33 | asterismo_l | well, i tried everything |
| 23:56.20 | pfred1 | you tries turning it off and on again? |
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