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| 01:17.44 | b1ack0p | will not debian 11 - bullseye support 32bit? |
| 01:19.32 | jmcnaught | Sounds like fake news. |
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| 01:20.04 | dvs | 32bit is so '80s! ;-P |
| 01:20.07 | ectospasm | I'd be surprised if Debian dropped support for i386, it runs on more architectures than any other distro I've seen. |
| 01:20.26 | b1ack0p | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Debian_11_(Bullseye) |
| 01:20.36 | b1ack0p | Bullseye will not support the older big-endian 32-bit MIPS architectures.[75] |
| 01:20.58 | b1ack0p | what is MIPS anyway |
| 01:20.59 | jmcnaught | MIPS is different from i386 |
| 01:21.20 | ectospasm | It's a different instruction set. I learned my Computer Architecture class on MIPS assembly. |
| 01:21.36 | ectospasm | Not that I've used it since, but it was fun! |
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| 01:25.54 | b1ack0p | so when will it be released? |
| 01:26.02 | b1ack0p | next century? :p |
| 01:27.25 | dvs | !wwbr |
| 01:27.25 | dpkg | wwbr is, like, now Debian "Bullseye" is the current testing branch as of 2019-07-06 and it will be released "when it's ready." |
| 01:27.29 | jmcnaught | Debian testing gets frozen (no new versions or packages) and then bullseye gets released when there are no more release-critical bugs, or basically when it is ready. There is usually a release every couple of years. |
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| 01:28.30 | b1ack0p | when it is ready :p |
| 01:28.38 | b1ack0p | thanks for clarification lol |
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| 01:37.16 | paw | Hi, is this the right place for Debian/SELinux related questions? |
| 01:37.51 | b1ack0p | doesnt have any idea what SELinux is |
| 01:38.07 | b1ack0p | server edition? |
| 01:39.25 | jmcnaught | paw: you can ask anything about Debian here, as long as it is actual Debian that you are using. You might need to be patient for help with SELinux though. |
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| 01:45.52 | paw | k, so, I am running in enforcing mode, and this is what I'm seeing: dpkg-reconfigure dash - failed with "could not write /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat-new: Permission denied" -> auditd tells me that it's because of a constraint rule /var/cache/debconf is owned by system_u while since I'm running as root (sysadm_u), it's denied. So, just wondering how it's supposed to work.... |
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| 02:04.47 | ectospasm | paw: what does `ls -Z /var/cache/debconf /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat-new` show? |
| 02:04.57 | ectospasm | maybe `ls -lZ` |
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| 02:26.35 | paw | # ls -Z /var/cache/debconf/ /var/cache/debconf//templates.dat* |
| 02:26.35 | paw | -rw-------. 1 root root sysadm_u:object_r:var_t:s0 2053641 Oct 23 15:05 /var/cache/debconf//templates.dat |
| 02:26.35 | paw | -rw-------. 1 root root sysadm_u:object_r:var_t:s0 2039966 Oct 23 15:05 /var/cache/debconf//templates.dat-old |
| 02:26.54 | paw | # ls -dZ /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 02:26.54 | paw | drwxr-xr-x. 1 root root system_u:object_r:var_t:s0 4096 Oct 23 13:51 /var/cache/debconf// |
| 02:27.05 | ectospasm | paw: use pastebin! |
| 02:27.08 | ectospasm | !paste |
| 02:27.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://filebin.net or https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>. |
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| 02:27.14 | paw | d'oh |
| 02:27.27 | paw | I ran restorecon just to verify that the labels are correct |
| 02:27.56 | ectospasm | paw: did you run lsattr against those files/directories? |
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| 02:28.22 | ectospasm | Maybe you need to change the extended attributes? Oh, you said auditd is complaining... hmmm |
| 02:28.47 | ectospasm | Does it change the error message if you setenforce to permissive? |
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| 02:29.14 | paw | permissive works ok |
| 02:29.48 | firespeaker | why does the nvidia-kernel-dkms package try to compile for a different kernel than the one installed? |
| 02:29.50 | ectospasm | paw: well yeah, it would. But I was wondering if audit.log gave any more clues in permissive mode. |
| 02:30.14 | firespeaker | sorry, this is unstable |
| 02:30.30 | dvs | firespeaker: that's the whole point of dkms: it will compile for newly installed kernels as they come. |
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| 02:30.47 | paw | ectospasm: the same |
| 02:31.23 | firespeaker | dvs: except in unstable the nvidia driver doesn't compile against the kernel version present :( |
| 02:31.32 | firespeaker | everyone's like "use an old kernel" |
| 02:31.43 | dvs | ah |
| 02:31.51 | mason | !sns |
| 02:31.51 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 02:32.07 | firespeaker | mason: I am trying to *downgrade* my kernel |
| 02:32.15 | firespeaker | so that I can have a functional X11 environment |
| 02:32.33 | firespeaker | I haven't had SNS syndrome with linux for over 15 years |
| 02:32.33 | mason | firespeaker: Rescue media, chroot, rip and replace? |
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| 02:32.45 | firespeaker | what? my distro works just fine |
| 02:32.57 | firespeaker | mason: just the nvidia driver is broken |
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| 02:33.35 | mason | firespeaker: The chroot from rescue media will let you yank out your own kernel easily. |
| 02:33.42 | mason | And pop a different one in. |
| 02:33.48 | mason | s/own/old/ |
| 02:34.11 | firespeaker | mason: why do I need a different kernel? |
| 02:34.23 | mason | firespeaker: Because you want working nVidia. |
| 02:34.34 | firespeaker | I'm running 5.7.17 instead of 5.9.0 that comes with sid |
| 02:34.44 | firespeaker | I'm already running a different kernel |
| 02:34.48 | mason | sid is where the idea of SNS comes from |
| 02:35.16 | mason | Hell, testing is effectively SNS unless you're actually running it because you want to test the next release. |
| 02:35.18 | firespeaker | yeah the version of firefox in stable is too old to work with stuff I use, and testing always breaks |
| 02:35.23 | firespeaker | it has nothing to do with SNS |
| 02:35.45 | mason | You wouldn't just run stable and an upstream Firefox, then? |
| 02:36.12 | firespeaker | didn't realise it was possible to run upstream stuff |
| 02:36.19 | firespeaker | and firefox is one example |
| 02:36.20 | mason | It is. It's what I'd do in that situation. |
| 02:36.35 | mason | Or Firefox from backports... Hm. |
| 02:37.12 | firespeaker | well whatever, right now I just want to get a working X11 on here |
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| 02:38.32 | mason | Hm, no Firefox in backports, it seems, but firefox.com will give you a download link that ought to work. |
| 02:39.02 | mason | firespeaker: Right. So, back to my original solution. Rescue media, chroot, yank out all the kernel goop, install one that you want that will support nVidia. |
| 02:39.24 | firespeaker | well everyone said pre-5.9.0 should work |
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| 02:39.52 | firespeaker | well maybe I'll just try to install the nvidia driver from their website on this kernel |
| 02:40.11 | mason | That's an option too. I'd rather use the DKMS, but both are options. |
| 02:40.13 | firespeaker | since the debian packages are trying to compile against the wrong kernel lol |
| 02:40.18 | firespeaker | mason: why? |
| 02:40.20 | firespeaker | and how? |
| 02:40.44 | mason | firespeaker: That sounds like there are headers or something for different kernels, if it's trying to build for the wrong one. |
| 02:40.55 | firespeaker | I have the headers |
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| 02:41.00 | firespeaker | $ uname -a |
| 02:41.00 | firespeaker | Linux tongue 5.7.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.7.17-1 (2020-08-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:41.28 | firespeaker | ii linux-headers-5.7.0-3-amd64 5.7.17-1 amd64 Header files for Linux 5.7.0-3-amd64 |
| 02:41.28 | firespeaker | ii linux-headers-5.7.0-3-common 5.7.17-1 all Common header files for Linux 5.7.0-3 |
| 02:41.41 | firespeaker | DKMS make.log for nvidia-current-450.66 for kernel 5.9.0-1-amd64 (x86_64) |
| 02:41.45 | firespeaker | make KBUILD_OUTPUT=/lib/modules/5.9.0-1-amd64/build V=1 -C /lib/modules/5.9.0-1-amd64/source M=/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/450.66/build ARCH=x86_64 NV_KERNEL_SOURCES=/lib/modules/5.9.0-1-amd64/source NV_KERNEL_OUTPUT=/lib/modules/5.9.0-1-amd64/build NV_KERNEL_MODULES="nvidia nvidia-uvm nvidia-modeset nvidia-drm" INSTALL_MOD_DIR=kernel/drivers/video NV_SPECTRE_V2=0 modules |
| 02:41.47 | firespeaker | etc. |
| 02:41.55 | mason | dpkg -l | grep linux-headers doesn't show additional packages, and you don't have random goop in /usr/src? |
| 02:41.55 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-headers doesn't show additional packages, and you don't have random goop in /usr/src 1.5-1.3 mason's private porn collection |
| 02:42.09 | firespeaker | mason: I do have the 5.9.0 headers here still |
| 02:42.10 | mason | Thank you, dpkg. |
| 02:42.20 | firespeaker | lol |
| 02:42.28 | mason | firespeaker: So, nuke those, build for 5.7? |
| 02:43.00 | firespeaker | mason: if I get rid of 5.9 will it really use 5.7 instead? |
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| 02:43.09 | mason | I suspect it cares more about the headers it finds than the kernel you're running. |
| 02:43.23 | firespeaker | oh interesting |
| 02:43.36 | firespeaker | I can see how that would be fairly easy to code |
| 02:43.37 | mason | If it didn't, it wouldn't be able to deal with installing different versions of kernels, because it'd need to be running the target, which would be awkward. |
| 02:43.39 | firespeaker | okay, I'll try that |
| 02:43.45 | firespeaker | oh |
| 02:43.58 | mason | I'd still go with Stable and only use newer parts when absolutely required. |
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| 02:44.35 | firespeaker | mason: I also don't mind being a beta tester for my favourite software |
| 02:44.40 | firespeaker | and file bugs accordingly |
| 02:44.53 | mason | firespeaker: I'd run a straight Testing then. Arguably more useful than bug reports against Sid. |
| 02:45.10 | firespeaker | testing always breaks |
| 02:45.18 | mason | Lots of opportunities for bug repotrs. |
| 02:45.20 | mason | reports* |
| 02:45.24 | firespeaker | and the only thing that annoys me about unstable is when crap like this happens |
| 02:46.16 | ectospasm | I ran screaming from using sid as my daily driver when they decided to rebuild the haskell framework, and I couldn't edit my xmonad.hs for like a MONTH! |
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| 02:48.18 | mason | There used to be Debian Weather, but I guess it's gone...? |
| 02:48.24 | mason | https://upsilon.cc/~zack/blog/posts/2008/06/debian_weather_is_back/ |
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| 02:50.09 | mason | https://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php might be somewhat similar |
| 02:50.38 | mason | But anyway, something like that makes Testing more usable. Don't upgrade when the weather is bad. |
| 02:51.07 | mason | !weather |
| 02:51.28 | mason | Anyway, g'night. |
| 02:52.17 | firespeaker | heh |
| 02:52.27 | firespeaker | thanks, night mason |
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| 02:58.34 | firespeaker | Module build for kernel 5.9.0-1-amd64 was skipped since the |
| 02:58.34 | firespeaker | kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
| 02:58.34 | firespeaker | lol |
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| 03:01.00 | firespeaker | oh actually that worked |
| 03:01.29 | firespeaker | the line right before that was |
| 03:01.29 | firespeaker | DKMS: install completed. |
| 03:01.35 | firespeaker | and the modules seem to work and all |
| 03:02.32 | firespeaker | oh, it worked before too it seems |
| 03:02.40 | firespeaker | just failed for the 5.9 kernel too |
| 03:02.52 | firespeaker | okay, the dkms package is too smart for me |
| 03:04.27 | sponix | !ssb |
| 03:04.27 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 03:16.52 | paw | ectospasm: I think I figured out my problem, sort of. unconfined was removed on my system and that caused the db files to be relabelled to sysadm_u |
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| 03:18.01 | ectospasm | OK, yeah, I'm no SELinux expert. I'd have to look up how to do that. I know you can `sudo touch /.autorelabel`, but that might relabel things wrong. |
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| 06:14.28 | Kel | yes? |
| 06:15.57 | genr8_ | that link's article has zero connection to the comments being said. I was tricked. |
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| 10:29.55 | radkos | is there a way to combine dest and src address in iptables |
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| 10:31.26 | radkos | and just specify something like -host IP/mask |
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| 10:43.31 | ratrace | radkos: what are you doing that you'd have same src and dst? sounds like an XY problem |
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| 10:49.47 | iamjfk11 | hi, anyone use ip blocklist dshield emerging here ? |
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| 10:56.35 | ratrace | iamjfk11: can you rephrase that? |
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| 11:00.16 | iamjfk11 | ip block lists, for security, for example with pfblockerng, specifically the ip blocklist of "dshield" "dshield_emerging" |
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| 11:01.37 | ratrace | iamjfk11: I'm using various ipsets in my iptables rules to block big ranges etc... if that's what you're asking. never heard of "dshield" tho |
| 11:02.03 | iamjfk11 | I wanted to know if anyone uses them, or similar |
| 11:02.12 | iamjfk11 | mm ok |
| 11:02.48 | ratrace | wellp: |
| 11:02.49 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 11:02.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 11:03.34 | iamjfk11 | last night when i was away around midnight i blocked several packets, i was a little alarmed cause it was only irc active and usually only happens when torrenting |
| 11:04.38 | ratrace | pretty much every publicly routable ipv4 is constantly under assault from various scanners, probers, bots |
| 11:05.00 | iamjfk11 | can you see if i send you data in private if you have logged something similar at that time? ratrace |
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| 11:05.30 | ratrace | no private anything, please. |
| 11:06.34 | iamjfk11 | that is ? |
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| 11:07.24 | ratrace | what? |
| 11:07.42 | iamjfk11 | you do not want private messages or intend not to send "private data" ? |
| 11:08.53 | iamjfk11 | I do not understand "no private anything, please." |
| 11:09.00 | ratrace | I'm not doing private support on irc. if you require NDA based, GDPR compliant tech support, I can ask the company I work for to send you an invoice first |
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| 11:13.02 | iamjfk11 | I just wanted to know if anyone has received security alerts like mine, no technical advice |
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| 11:13.29 | iamjfk11 | nda gdpr I don't even know what you're talking about |
| 11:15.01 | ratrace | iamjfk11: why can't you pastebin in public? just censor your IP if you're concerned with that. |
| 11:15.15 | iamjfk11 | ok |
| 11:15.26 | iamjfk11 | np for my ip |
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| 11:21.55 | iamjfk11 | https://imgur.com/a/n8VIg2n |
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| 11:25.23 | ratrace | iamjfk11: these are outbound blocks? |
| 11:25.36 | iamjfk11 | https://pastebin.com/Sq9QAKe1 |
| 11:25.50 | iamjfk11 | in out are set deny both |
| 11:26.09 | ratrace | but src is non-routable rf1918 address |
| 11:26.14 | ratrace | rfc1918 |
| 11:26.45 | ratrace | so this can really be only outbound, unless you have some very weird block _after_ dNAT on your perimeter... |
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| 11:28.53 | iamjfk11 | the firewall is virtualized on esxi, there are 4 subnets before the internet gateway |
| 11:30.17 | ratrace | and does your system provide any reason why those were blocked? |
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| 11:34.04 | iamjfk11 | only because they are present in the dshield emerging threats list, therefore known as attackers worldwide |
| 11:34.04 | iamjfk11 | https://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=160.116.0.27 |
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| 11:51.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odKiL7jRW0 |
| 11:51.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | bah wrong channel my bad |
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| 12:04.58 | Enissay | In a script, how to run commands on a remote server and still see output in current terminal ? `ssh user@ssh-server.com "cmd1 && cmd2 && cmd3 && ..."` |
| 12:06.16 | gpunk | local trusted network or over the net ? |
| 12:07.11 | Enissay | over the net |
| 12:07.39 | Enissay | well, over vpn, as if local |
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| 12:09.39 | Enissay | gpunk: is there a way ? |
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| 12:10.38 | gpunk | if trusted enough checkout rsh if |
| 12:10.40 | gpunk | i remeber |
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| 12:12.52 | gpunk | and for you ssh, does that account need password auth or you have keys setup ? |
| 12:13.01 | ratrace | iamjfk11: I don't have that ip in our ban lists. we also don't use such third party providers because of possibility of abuse and DoS (not DDoS) through reliance on such unaudited lists. |
| 12:13.16 | ratrace | the only list we do use are tor exit nodes list as we block access to those |
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| 12:13.56 | ratrace | Enissay: do you not see the output of cmd1, 2,3, ... that way? |
| 12:14.06 | Enissay | gpunk: I have key setup |
| 12:14.17 | ratrace | I thought the stdout/stderr is piped and sent back to the ssh client |
| 12:14.24 | Enissay | ratrace: yes, many commands in succession |
| 12:14.37 | ratrace | Enissay: yes but do you see their output on the client side? |
| 12:14.51 | ratrace | ssh <server> "whoami" do you see the user you're logged in as? |
| 12:15.38 | ratrace | Enissay: or in other words, by default, you _should_ see the output of those commands so your question is answered as yes by default |
| 12:15.43 | iamjfk11 | ssh user@ssh-server.com '( cat ~/myscript.sh )' |
| 12:15.57 | ratrace | why the parens |
| 12:16.01 | Enissay | ratrace: That was the test I was about to do. I added echo cmd... And I see it. |
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| 12:16.30 | ratrace | Enissay: right, so your "how to run commands" is answered by "just like that", no? |
| 12:16.35 | Enissay | So the issue probably something else. VPN dropped at some point so I thought I had no output. |
| 12:16.39 | Enissay | Correct |
| 12:16.42 | ratrace | mkay |
| 12:16.43 | Enissay | Thank you guys |
| 12:16.44 | iamjfk11 | execommand on script and output redir |
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| 12:26.06 | iamjfk11 | thanks ratrace I had not seen answer |
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| 12:47.14 | g0zzy | I've got one bad block on an ntfs partition (Windows). I'm wondering if there's anything i can do with that to ensure there are no ill consequences on Windows? |
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| 12:54.48 | RadoS | g0zzy, backups (beforehand). |
| 12:55.20 | genr8_ | you can re-partition the drive around it |
| 12:55.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey guys |
| 12:56.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i did a base install of debian 10 |
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| 12:56.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | w/o network card setup |
| 12:56.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | what packages should i install for running a system through its paces, like tests for cpu ram, hdd, mobo? |
| 12:57.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | i wanna see good this mobo is and if i need to junk it or not |
| 12:57.04 | ratrace | g0zzy: no, nothign you can or should do with the FUSE NTFS from linux |
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| 12:57.53 | ratrace | Enissay: sysbench, memtest, fio |
| 12:59.05 | ratrace | or download chromium's debsrc and leave it building overnight :) |
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| 12:59.33 | ratrace | jokes aside, compiling software is a nice stress test for all, except IO (it's not IO intensive). compiling software (in gentoo) caught early zen1 hardware bugs |
| 12:59.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ty |
| 13:01.04 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: I forgot a gpu test... dunno what benchmarks there are thta are gpu specificy, other than install some games and run them |
| 13:01.09 | f8e4 | hi, does every process have an initial Systemlvl thread? |
| 13:01.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 13:01.18 | ratrace | f8e4: the what? |
| 13:01.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | well the gpu is crap im sure, but it good enough for txt thats all i care about |
| 13:01.45 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: it puts PCI lanes and controller to test, if that's a discrete gpu like nvidia |
| 13:01.46 | gpunk | g0zzy: see man badblocks |
| 13:01.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 13:02.02 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: you did emphasize motherboard testing, and all those combined kinda put the mobo under test yes |
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| 13:02.50 | genr8_ | badblocks is not going to "do" anything for NTFS partitions |
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| 13:03.15 | ratrace | gpunk: g0zzy: badblocks is not a repair utility. what you DO want is the hdd firmware to see the bad sector and relocate it. taht can be achieved with rewriting it multiple times, but that's best done from windows, as the fuse ntfs thing I'd nevre recommend to touch windows partitions |
| 13:03.45 | g0zzy | I didn't mention badblocks folks. I mentioned a "bad block" |
| 13:03.46 | gpunk | genr8_: badblocks is for the disk, it has nothing to do at the FS system ! |
| 13:03.57 | ratrace | g0zzy: define "bad block" |
| 13:04.26 | ratrace | g0zzy: and again, badblocks(8) is not a repair utility |
| 13:04.38 | gpunk | badblocks if I remember will update the disks "firmware" witch holds badblocks numbers |
| 13:04.46 | ratrace | it _could_ be used in that role, to force firmware relocate sectors, but that's destructive to any data atop of it |
| 13:04.51 | gpunk | so formating utilities bypass those blocks |
| 13:04.56 | g0zzy | OK guys, never mind. I know what badblocks is and does |
| 13:04.58 | gpunk | let me double check |
| 13:05.10 | iamjfk11 | ntfs-3g package, which contains ntfsfix |
| 13:05.10 | iamjfk11 | Depending on what you are trying to fix, you may want to use options -b and -d. |
| 13:05.10 | iamjfk11 | -d â attempts to fix dirty states of the disk |
| 13:05.10 | iamjfk11 | -b â attempts to fix bad sectors on the drive (or mark them as such, so they are not written to) |
| 13:05.10 | iamjfk11 | So your full command will be something like this: |
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| 13:05.20 | ratrace | srsly, first time on irc? |
| 13:05.29 | iamjfk11 | 6 lnes ..... |
| 13:05.45 | g0zzy | I'll probably run chkdsk followed by sfc in Windows |
| 13:06.05 | genr8_ | yes theres some switch possibly /b or /r , i forget |
| 13:06.13 | genr8_ | use windows |
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| 13:06.41 | gpunk | ps: if you want to use "chkdsk" for your ntfs partition, you are in the wrong channel ! |
| 13:07.10 | ratrace | DO NOT use ntfs-3g to repair NTFS !!! |
| 13:07.17 | genr8_ | i think he thought linux could take care of that |
| 13:07.18 | iamjfk11 | i thought it was in debian with ntfs partitions |
| 13:07.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | true ratrace |
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| 13:08.29 | g0zzy | ntfsfix might be OK, but i'll let Windows handle it probably. I was more thinking of finding out what file contained the bad block and stuff like that. But even that could be academic |
| 13:08.46 | gpunk | genr8_: yes Linux utilities can do it, but your problem is not debian dependant nor Linux |
| 13:08.50 | ratrace | ntfs-3g is just a simple FUSE layer primariy meant to read NTFS partitions. It is not designed, and especially not debugged, to be fully ntfs writable let alone repairable |
| 13:09.01 | iamjfk11 | however it spoke of only 1 bad block |
| 13:09.13 | g0zzy | Yes, just one |
| 13:09.23 | ratrace | when 1 bad sector appears, usually more are to follow soon |
| 13:09.24 | genr8_ | one, for now. |
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| 13:10.27 | genr8_ | I wonder when we'll get the Paragon NTFS driver finalized instead of ntfs-3g fuse driver |
| 13:10.34 | g0zzy | I think this is the content: http://sprunge.us/DGdCbd |
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| 13:10.54 | ratrace | genr8_: not before 5.10 that's fersure :) |
| 13:11.24 | gpunk | you also have: Smartmontools ! |
| 13:11.43 | g0zzy | I've always found that a blunt instrument |
| 13:11.44 | ratrace | with a note attached that SMART attribs are indicators and not evidence |
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| 13:12.09 | ratrace | like, absence of error in SMART doesn't mean there isn't any. existence of an error in SMART usually means there IS that. |
| 13:12.09 | gpunk | and please stop mixing FS and Disk issues, badblocks I repeat are DISK related not filesystem's |
| 13:12.23 | genr8_ | :/ |
| 13:12.38 | genr8_ | the FS currently on the drive is applicable to how to do anything about it. |
| 13:13.06 | g0zzy | And what do you think a block is potentially contained in/by? |
| 13:13.11 | gpunk | ratrace: of you are right, then send you resumé to seagate or samsung, I will be surprised if you get hired |
| 13:13.21 | ratrace | g0zzy: nothing, it's the other way around, a block (sector) containing fs data |
| 13:13.49 | genr8_ | ratrace has been the most accurate in all of his statements so far |
| 13:13.59 | g0zzy | No. A file is at a higher level of abstraction |
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| 13:14.25 | otyugh | hey |
| 13:14.31 | ratrace | gpunk: I already am employd as a sysadmin for a server farm |
| 13:15.47 | g0zzy | Thanks folks |
| 13:15.48 | ratrace | g0zzy: exactly. a file is a construct of filesystem which puts data and metadata on logical blocks that are made of physical sectors on disk |
| 13:15.54 | otyugh | I'm on buster - let's suppose I want to install a "linux-image-amd64" from jessie while I'm on buster ; why isn't the "apt-get -t jessie linux-image-amd64" not installing me the jessie version ? |
| 13:16.06 | gpunk | ratrace: yes make me laught, a farm of cows ? |
| 13:16.19 | otyugh | (I added the jessie line into the source of course) |
| 13:16.22 | ratrace | gpunk: some of them are CoWs (Copy on Write filesystems) yes :)))) |
| 13:16.47 | ratrace | using CoWs in your server farm makes it extra funny :) |
| 13:16.48 | gpunk | ratrace: oh so you got my joke ! very smart |
| 13:17.27 | ratrace | otyugh: because downgrades aren't really supported? what exactly do you want to achieve here? what problem are you solving? |
| 13:17.35 | genr8_ | otyugh, youll probably need to specify a version number, as that is a virtual package that points to the current version number , which is for sure higher than jessie |
| 13:17.58 | otyugh | Ah, I guess I could just do that, right. |
| 13:18.31 | otyugh | Some old ass hardware needs older kernel (it's a guess). Regression 'n all. |
| 13:19.06 | f8e4 | is a runtime reside in kernel level thread? https://i.imgur.com/vDZ7dVG.png ? |
| 13:19.10 | otyugh | As I'm helping people doing that, I'd hoped to give simple instruction, using meta package was the easy way. |
| 13:19.17 | ratrace | otyugh: I'd say that's unlikely, but can you describe the issue? |
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| 13:19.35 | gpunk | otyugh: seems like an XYZ problem, explain why you want that ? |
| 13:19.38 | genr8_ | too simple. |
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| 13:19.46 | ratrace | f8e4: what are you talking about? pleaes provide more context |
| 13:19.46 | gpunk | what hardware is giving you trouble |
| 13:20.00 | f8e4 | ratrace look at graph isit correct? |
| 13:20.11 | ratrace | f8e4: that graph is out of context |
| 13:20.27 | f8e4 | understand multitasking i try |
| 13:20.32 | genr8_ | theres something called pthreads which is a userspace library that links to the kernel too |
| 13:20.45 | genr8_ | the boundary is not as simple as nice little bubbles |
| 13:20.55 | otyugh | ratrace: well I already solved a few personal issue with that. The person having problem with this isn't me, so I can't give much pointers ;) |
| 13:20.58 | ratrace | p(osix)threads is pretty much defacto threading support library on linux |
| 13:21.56 | genr8_ | yeah google "pthreads how does it work" |
| 13:21.59 | ratrace | otyugh: well then how do you expect to solve a problem if you don't know what it even is, to begin with? downgrading a kernl may've dealt with symptoms, but whether it is or isn't a permanent solution really depends on the problem itself |
| 13:22.19 | ratrace | f8e4: with python? |
| 13:22.41 | ratrace | because python is in that graph and python threads are a tiny itsy bitsy different in implementation |
| 13:23.33 | f8e4 | ratrace python yes, no details only big pic |
| 13:23.41 | genr8_ | "runtime" is the python runtime, and "threads_usr_lvl" and "threads_krnl_lvl" are the two halves of pthreads |
| 13:24.01 | f8e4 | genr8_ runtime uses userlvls too? |
| 13:24.04 | ratrace | f8e4: python threads DO correspond to kernel threads but are NOT executed in parallel. it's called GIL (Global Interpreter Lock) in python, so google that for details |
| 13:24.11 | otyugh | ratrace: you know, I wasn't asking you to solve my problem anyway, I just had a question about apt, and got it. Thanks. Don't bother >_< |
| 13:24.33 | genr8_ | idk, its beyond me now. |
| 13:24.37 | f8e4 | me too :D |
| 13:24.38 | ratrace | otyugh: thing is, good number of problems are XY, and detecting that, and finding actual Y, is part of problem solving here. hence the question. |
| 13:24.47 | ratrace | otyugh: your problem smells like an XY problem too :) |
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| 13:24.59 | otyugh | ratrace: it's nooooot my problem X_X |
| 13:25.13 | ratrace | otyugh: then why ask about solving it X_X |
| 13:25.24 | genr8_ | "Python's threads are implemented as pthreads (kernel threads), and because of the global interpreter lock (GIL), a Python process only runs one thread at a time. [ QUESTION ] But in the case of Green-threads (or so-called greenlet or tasklets)," |
| 13:25.43 | otyugh | ratrace: had a miscalenous question while playing around it, that's all |
| 13:25.46 | genr8_ | it appears this "Green Threads" and "Global Interpreter Lock" (as ratrace said) is key to understanding this all, PLUS pthreads. |
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| 13:26.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | what that stuff called you put on cpu and heatsink? |
| 13:26.23 | ratrace | "green threads" are coroutines, not kernel threads at all |
| 13:26.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | heatsink paste? |
| 13:26.43 | ratrace | Eryn_1983_FL: thermal paste |
| 13:27.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ok |
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| 13:27.29 | genr8_ | theres something called greenlets and tasklets too |
| 13:29.16 | genr8_ | python probably makes this way more confusing than normal |
| 13:29.22 | genr8_ | good luck lol |
| 13:29.32 | ratrace | definitely does. more info in #python tho |
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| 13:50.47 | genr8_ | ratrace, I found something useful RE: your relro comment yesterday |
| 13:50.55 | genr8_ | ,info checksec |
| 13:50.57 | judd | Package checksec (misc, optional) in buster/amd64: Bash script to test executable properties. Version: 1.9.0-1; Size: 20.8k; Installed: 91k; Homepage: https://github.com/slimm609/checksec.sh |
| 13:51.31 | genr8_ | RELRO STACK CANARY NX PIE RPATH RUNPATHSymbolsFORTIFYFortifiedFortifiable FILE |
| 13:51.31 | genr8_ | Full RELRO Canary found NX enabled PIE enabled No RPATH No RUNPATH No Symbols Yes33/usr/bin/file |
| 13:52.32 | genr8_ | lets you scan one file at a time or one directory at a time , and also has extra FORTIFY checks and Kernel checks |
| 13:52.33 | ratrace | genr8_: yeah I know and use the checksec script |
| 13:52.42 | ratrace | that's how I know not all programs do have relro enabled |
| 13:52.49 | genr8_ | ah :) |
| 13:53.00 | ratrace | *full relro (they have partial) |
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| 13:54.44 | genr8_ | do you know if thats used by any automated build scripts to find issues ? |
| 13:57.11 | ratrace | I wouldn't know that |
| 13:57.27 | ratrace | but I run gentoo machines with full relro on all packages, no issues |
| 13:58.10 | ratrace | but then, that satisfies runtime deps at build time, so I suppose it's easier to have full relro when you build from source |
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| 14:50.28 | SanchoPensa | hey, everybody! |
| 14:51.03 | SanchoPensa | does anybody know a linux app for designing 3D objects, like cabinets? |
| 14:51.24 | nkuttler | blender? |
| 14:53.05 | SanchoPensa | nkuttler: thanks, looking into it! |
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| 14:57.16 | Haohmaru | ,v maxima |
| 14:57.17 | judd | Package: maxima on amd64 -- jessie: 5.34.1-2; stretch: 5.38.1-8+b1; buster: 5.42.1-1; bullseye: 5.44.0-2; sid: 5.44.0-2 |
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| 15:02.04 | Brigo | SanchoPensa, freecad could help too |
| 15:02.15 | SanchoPensa | thanks, Brigo |
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| 15:03.38 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa what'cha gonna do with the result? |
| 15:04.17 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: design, buy and build some cabinets for clothes and stuff |
| 15:04.47 | Haohmaru | design, then order the parts, so you can assemble it for real? |
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| 15:13.14 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: exactly! |
| 15:13.45 | jhutchins | A planar composition like that is probably easier to do with a regular drafting program. Is kcad still around? |
| 15:13.50 | jhutchins | ,v kcad |
| 15:13.51 | judd | No package named 'kcad' was found in amd64. |
| 15:13.55 | jhutchins | Nope |
| 15:14.14 | Haohmaru | SanchoPensa then you probably need a CAD program |
| 15:14.27 | Haohmaru | blender is more on the artsy side of things |
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| 15:14.58 | jhutchins | SanchoPensa: https://itsfoss.com/cad-software-linux/ - some of these will do 3D. |
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| 15:25.10 | SanchoPensa | jhutchins: full-fletched CAD programs, hm...? :) or maybe IKEA? :D |
| 15:25.31 | ratrace | oh judd's back! |
| 15:25.40 | SanchoPensa | Haohmaru: jhutchins: Brigo: nkuttler: thanks, everybody! |
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| 15:31.27 | likeafox | Hello. For my day-to-day use if I find a bug in stable packaged software that makes the software unusable for me, is it reasonable to get the source from the src repo and fix the code and install? Is that typical usage? But then my main question is how are software updates handled from there? Will I need to watch a mailing list to know when I need to build a new version of that particular software or something? |
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| 15:32.15 | imMute | likeafox: if you build/install your own software (packaged or not), then you're responsible for security/feature updates. |
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| 15:33.17 | ratrace | likeafox: yes and I think there are tools that can check for dsc updates, but I forgot which ones were those |
| 15:33.53 | ratrace | likeafox: did you find something specific or are asking hypothetically? The software in Stable is unlikely to be "unusable", but indeed it's not impossible |
| 15:35.20 | likeafox | Right my concern is what is the typical usage for receiving dsc updates~ |
| 15:35.39 | dirdi | likeafox: you should check debian's bug track if the bug has already been reported and - if not - file a new bug report. |
| 15:36.18 | ratrace | likeafox: that workflow is a huge PITA in debian. it's simply not meant to be used like that |
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| 15:37.00 | ratrace | likeafox: be careful if you're pulling source dir from git, that you don't overwrite your local patches and modifications |
| 15:37.08 | likeafox | ratrace, A feature of VirtualBox related to the mouse cursor is making the program unusable for my specific use case |
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| 15:37.33 | likeafox | ratrace, Hmm thanks, maybe I'll just report and wait for the next stable release then... |
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| 15:38.10 | ratrace | likeafox: so that's not Buster? |
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| 15:39.37 | likeafox | ratrace, I'm on buster right now |
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| 15:39.52 | ratrace | well, there is no VirtualBox in Buster.... unless you installed it from third party repos in which case all this is moot |
| 15:40.01 | ratrace | ,v VirtualBox |
| 15:40.02 | judd | No package named 'VirtualBox' was found in amd64. |
| 15:40.12 | ratrace | ,v virtualbox |
| 15:40.13 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.1.16-dfsg-2 |
| 15:40.31 | ratrace | slaps judd with a case insensitive trout |
| 15:40.56 | greycat | hey, no TrOUt |
| 15:41.11 | likeafox | That's pretty helpful to know, it seems I'm not familiar enough with this system I'm working on right now. |
| 15:42.32 | dirdi | likeafox: Has this bug been introduced by a recent upgrade? |
| 15:43.43 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 15:43.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 15:45.22 | likeafox | dirdi, to find the problem, the software didn't change, my usage changed, so I don't know how long the problem could have existed |
| 15:47.08 | jhutchins | ,v freecad |
| 15:47.09 | judd | Package: freecad on amd64 -- jessie: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3; stretch: 0.16+dfsg2-3; buster: 0.18~pre1+dfsg1-5; bullseye: 0.18.4+dfsg2-5; sid: 0.18.4+dfsg2-5 |
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| 15:47.53 | jhutchins | ,v librecad |
| 15:47.54 | ratrace | likeafox: so what version is it, installed from where and run on what? |
| 15:47.54 | judd | Package: librecad on amd64 -- jessie: 2.0.4-1; jessie-security: 2.0.4-1+deb8u1; stretch: 2.1.2-1+deb9u1; bullseye: 2.1.3-1.2; buster: 2.1.3-1.2; sid: 2.1.3-1.2 |
| 15:51.18 | likeafox | ratrace et al., I appreciate your help, and for my further questions I'll go to virtualbox support where they will be more relevant |
| 15:53.03 | ratrace | or #ubuntu since you're probably running that |
| 15:53.37 | greycat | the refusal to divulge the version number is kinda telling |
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| 15:57.41 | jelly | I'm not sure how you two got to "user wants to backport and regularly update a piece of sw" to ubuntu shaming |
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| 15:58.04 | jelly | from* A to B |
| 16:00.05 | ratrace | well they claim they're running VB on Debian Stable, but one does not simply walk into Stable with VB..... accidentally, and then forgets it's thta. |
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| 16:02.17 | greycat | *shrug* First time they were asked for details, they wrote three lines about how they "weren't familiar enough" with their own system. Second time, they opted to go to a different channel. |
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| 16:02.47 | greycat | sorry, that one was only two lines. |
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| 16:08.38 | ratrace | oh waitaminute! now I'm not sure how directing the user to more approriate channel for their distro may be construed as "shaming" :) |
| 16:09.20 | ratrace | eps. since ubuntu has a bit of a different workflow for building from source and updating your local mods. they have different tools, ubuntu specific, launchpad integrated, tools for that. |
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| 16:17.11 | elz | Hi, I'm having difficulty getting ALSA to work on HDMI output (nvidia gt1030 audio out). speaker-test tell me it cannot open slave/no such file or dir. using modprobe I've set the hdmi as being the default output. |
| 16:18.19 | rocksteady | i want to make my own keyboard shortcut ;to open a menu. should i be looking up keybinding? does key binding only pertain to making a keyboard shortcut for my shell, cuz i want my custom shortcut to open the program menu on a debian based os with a gui |
| 16:18.43 | ratrace | !based on debian |
| 16:18.43 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:19.06 | ratrace | that said, your question is too broad, as specific DEs and/or programs may have different ways of keyboard shortcuts |
| 16:19.08 | rocksteady | fair point |
| 16:19.10 | rocksteady | soz |
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| 16:20.50 | jelly | rocksteady: defining global keyboard shortcuts will usually depend on your desktop env. and window manager |
| 16:21.28 | rocksteady | ty |
| 16:21.50 | jelly | kde has its own somewhere in its control panel; xfce too |
| 16:24.27 | rocksteady | jelly re my googling good strings to learn more (i know nothing) "global keyboard shortcuts", any other suggested search strings |
| 16:24.36 | rocksteady | ty very much aye |
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| 16:26.54 | ratrace | 5.10 designated next LTS, yay Bullseye! |
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| 16:28.08 | jelly | rocksteady: whichever DE you're using, next to those |
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| 16:29.07 | GNUtoo | hi, for /etc/network/interfaces, do you need something special for bridges to be setup at boot beside "auto <interface>" ? |
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| 16:30.58 | rocksteady | ty jelly |
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| 16:31.44 | jelly | GNUtoo: apart from bridge-specific options, no |
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| 16:33.42 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot, I've found the issue: hostapd is probably started after ifup |
| 16:34.02 | GNUtoo | so I've seen in /usr/share/doc/hostapd/README.Debian that I can use /etc/network/interfaces for that too |
| 16:34.05 | GNUtoo | I'll try that |
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| 16:36.19 | ratrace | from bridge utils to hostapd started after ifup ... boy is that one badass XY :) |
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| 17:23.13 | algun | Is there something besides emulation you could suggest that could enable me to run in a clean (base install?) environment? |
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| 17:24.19 | algun | I have to describe how to install a piece of software, but since I already have all dependencies installed I'm afraid I could miss to mention a prerequisite. |
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| 17:24.59 | greycat | create a directory and perform a base install inside it using debootstrap |
| 17:25.04 | GNUtoo | Using hostapd in /etc/network/interfaces worked |
| 17:25.19 | imMute | algun: pbuilder can create a chroot for exactly that |
| 17:25.33 | imMute | I'm pretty sure pbuilder uses debootstrap under the hood too. |
| 17:25.35 | algun | Oh hey greycat. I wish a had a voice in #bash too. |
| 17:26.44 | algun | Thanks for the suggestions, will take a look. |
| 17:26.46 | greycat | I was told that asking chanserv WHY would reveal the source of any bans you might be under. It tells me nothing useful. I am not going to waste more time looking for a ban that may or may not exist. |
| 17:27.45 | algun | greycat, I didn't say I was banned |
| 17:27.51 | greycat | ... |
| 17:28.01 | algun | I just tagged you in bash btw, and I don't think you saw that, did you? |
| 17:28.08 | algun | Sorry for the OT, #debian |
| 17:28.33 | greycat | So either they lied to me and chanserv WHY is not actually of any use whatsoever, or you're lying to me about being quieted. |
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| 17:32.13 | algun | greycat, if you didn't receive my PM please join #debian-offtopic |
| 17:32.32 | greycat | Find your own ban, if one exists. There are at least three channels to search. |
| 17:32.42 | greycat | Or figure out how to use chanserv to reveal the ban. |
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| 17:33.13 | greycat | if you can figure out how to make chanserv reveal the source of an alleged ban, I might even be happy enough to remove yours, pending discussion with whoever set it. |
| 17:36.19 | algun | how would I, a voiceless user, be able to find out the source of my ban? It's been a long time since I could speak in #bash. I can look at my logs, but this is #debian-offtopic |
| 17:36.40 | greycat | Same way *WE* have to do it. Manual fucking detective work. /mode #bash b |
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| 17:40.54 | algun | Are you sure it should be in there if I'm only quieted? |
| 17:42.41 | algun | And why is it beneath you that we don't bother people in the main channel? |
| 17:44.47 | JuggleTux | algun: /mode #bash q returns to me '[#bash] *!*@unaffiliated/algun quieted by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) on Tue, 07 Jul 2020 22:59:23' |
| 17:45.08 | algun | JuggleTux, thank you for your help |
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| 17:51.24 | greycat | I asked in #freenode and they told me chanserv why only works for "the +b chanserv flag" rather than "the ircd/services". So, boo. |
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| 20:15.19 | festerdam | Hi, all. |
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| 20:16.14 | hmuller | waves |
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| 20:19.30 | alex11 | hi festerdam |
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| 20:26.00 | mtlsw | oktoberfest eh?? lol |
| 20:26.09 | mtlsw | what's that festerdam name all about nways? |
| 20:26.22 | mtlsw | hmm debian at oktoberfest |
| 20:26.34 | festerdam | I have switched to Testing and all was well for some time, but then I tried installing steam with .deb from the official website. It failed at first because it needed some i386 libs it did not want to install {something about depends on x but x will not be installed. I do not have the right keyboard layout chosen that is why i am using curly brackets, because I cannot find the normal ones}. I simply apt |
| 20:26.40 | festerdam | installed the package that was not being installed. I had run apt {dash}{dash}fix{dash}all install before getting to that point, I think. Once I got to the login screen for steam I noticed Evolution was missing. Then I noticed a whole lot of packages were missing. I restarted the system and got put into a tty {gdm was also uninstalled}. When running apt install {something}, in the packages that are no |
| 20:26.46 | festerdam | longer needed, the ones that are missing {including evolution} were listed. Is there a way to reinstall them without downloading them all again_ |
| 20:26.57 | festerdam | {the last char is supposed to be a question mark} |
| 20:28.22 | jhutchins | festerdam: Time to restore your backup. |
| 20:28.54 | jhutchins | festerdam: Half the time steam won't install properly on stable, I'm amazed someone would even try on testing. |
| 20:28.59 | jhutchins | !next |
| 20:28.59 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 20:29.05 | jhutchins | !debian-next |
| 20:29.05 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 20:29.05 | festerdam | jhutchins: XD I mean, since the packages can be deleted, they can still exist, rigt? |
| 20:29.40 | jhutchins | fs2: See above. Most of use don't keep track of what testing is doing. |
| 20:30.17 | festerdam | Could have been unrelated to Testing and just poor package management on my side. |
| 20:30.22 | mtlsw | festerdam, jfc festerdam you don't need to spell out "-" , just type it. |
| 20:30.26 | mtlsw | lol |
| 20:30.45 | festerdam | I do not know where it is. |
| 20:30.52 | jhutchins | festerdam: If you don't have backups, you'll probably just want to do a clean install, since you don't know what's broken, why, or how. |
| 20:31.00 | mtlsw | festerdam, make sure 386 is added to the dpkg/apt ... otherwise you'll not be able to install multilib things. |
| 20:31.01 | mtlsw | ^^ |
| 20:31.04 | mtlsw | !multilib |
| 20:31.19 | jhutchins | !multiarch |
| 20:31.20 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 20:31.45 | mtlsw | yeah thanks |
| 20:31.58 | mtlsw | notes it's also documented here https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 20:32.20 | mtlsw | festerdam, testing won't get stable for another couple of months.. |
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| 20:32.49 | festerdam | The packages that I want are listed in installed automatically but no longer needed list. |
| 20:33.02 | mtlsw | festerdam, but steam largely (after install+running first time) -- will always download the real-full bundle somewhere in the user's home.... and is quite independent afterwards from the rest of the distro system. |
| 20:33.21 | festerdam | dpkg: Thanks. Forgot to say that I also did that before the event. |
| 20:33.21 | dpkg | festerdam: sure thing |
| 20:33.32 | mtlsw | says steam is in buster non-free as well |
| 20:33.43 | mtlsw | festerdam, that's a factoid bot.. |
| 20:34.25 | festerdam | Sorry. |
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| 20:36.02 | festerdam | I could try installing evrything that is listed in that list, but since I am in the minimal X environment, I have no clipboard so it can take some time. Probably less than reinstalling the whole system. |
| 20:36.19 | festerdam | For some reason, only some packages got removed. |
| 20:36.21 | trysten | dpkg is non-free-will |
| 20:36.21 | dpkg | trysten: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 20:37.11 | mtlsw | festerdam, yeah. but you're not using buster when you complain about "reinstalling" everything. You're using the "testing" repository right? |
| 20:37.15 | mtlsw | !testing |
| 20:37.15 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <buster->bullseye> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 20:37.42 | mtlsw | "<festerdam> I have switched to Testing and all was well for some time, but then I tried installing steam with .deb from the official website. It failed at first because..." |
| 20:37.58 | mtlsw | if you're going to reinstall, you should be(might as well) use "buster" |
| 20:38.04 | greycat | "the minimal X environment" most certainly has regular copy-pasting which involves primary, secondary and clipboard buffers between X11 client programs |
| 20:38.08 | mtlsw | with backports and non-free repos enabled.. |
| 20:38.10 | greycat | I don't know what you're even talking about |
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| 20:39.27 | festerdam | mtlsw: I am not complaining. I am prepared to reinstall it. I just wanted to know if it was possible to recover the packages that were not autoremoved yet since that would save me some time. |
| 20:39.56 | greycat | if they're still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ then they won't have to be re-downloaded |
| 20:40.09 | mtlsw | festerdam, https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/10.6.0-live+nonfree/ |
| 20:40.22 | mtlsw | festerdam, that includes non-free firmware with the installer by default.... |
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| 20:40.50 | festerdam | Thanks. |
| 20:41.25 | mtlsw | festerdam, I can suggest to try out testing in Virtualbox --- and you can use "snapshots" (but its not performance-wise) -- it helps grow the project by giving back feedback to broken packages. |
| 20:41.38 | festerdam | greycat: Yeah, you are right. There is a clipboard. I tried using the keyboard shortcut which did not work. |
| 20:41.44 | mtlsw | festerdam, feel free to try out testing, but I would recommend it only in Virtualbox imho. |
| 20:41.46 | mtlsw | :) |
| 20:42.07 | mtlsw | says woohoo for testing in virtual machines!! |
| 20:42.40 | festerdam | Thanks. {smiley} {have not found the colon yet XD} |
| 20:43.03 | phogg | kids these days |
| 20:43.12 | phogg | a smiley is spelled : - ) |
| 20:43.30 | phogg | omitting the nose is possible (a matter of taste) |
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| 20:45.50 | jmcnaught | ⺠|
| 20:45.52 | festerdam | Actually, keyboard shortcuts work. Not sure why I had difficulties with it before. I am copy pasting the packages now. |
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| 20:57.15 | festerdam | Will restart now. If it did not work, I will reinstall everything. Bye! |
| 20:57.48 | mtlsw | festerdam, you must have a pretty fast a net connection tehe |
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| 21:06.22 | jhutchins | mtlsw: Another good way is a dual-boot install. If testing fails you just boot to stable and chroot when they release fixes. |
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