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| 00:18.40 | mirrorbird | hi |
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| 00:40.46 | n4dir | I got a third party repository added. I want to list all metapackages with the name of that repository, librazik, in it's name. If i do "dpkg -l | grep librazik" it will also list all versions which contain that name. |
| 00:41.17 | n4dir | So as far dpkg -l is concerned i only want the second entry. |
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| 00:41.49 | n4dir | Is there an apt-get or dpkg command that does what i am looking for? |
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| 00:42.54 | somiaj | aptitude has some powerful search features to find packages based on origin, though you might find just using awk (or some other scripting language) can help get the info you want from dpkg -l |
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| 00:43.40 | n4dir | yeah, sure, but i mainly ask for a solution by debians package management tools, not sorting it with a different tool. |
| 00:44.01 | somiaj | aptitude search can search for things in very powerful ways |
| 00:44.06 | n4dir | as in : apt-cache search --names-only |
| 00:44.14 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
| 00:45.21 | n4dir | so from the top of your head you don't know? |
| 00:46.37 | somiaj | as I said aptitude can search based on origin |
| 00:46.50 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html#searchOrigin |
| 00:47.20 | n4dir | I am not looking for origin, i am looking for a pattern in the packages name |
| 00:48.45 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html#searchTermName |
| 00:49.27 | themill | aptitude search '?origin(Name From Release File)?name(someregex)' |
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| 00:50.46 | n4dir | thanks, themill |
| 00:52.29 | themill | in sid, apt has grown the ability to search various patterns too |
| 00:53.38 | n4dir | I seldom run in that problem. Or rather: never. Found apt-patterns on the web, but couldn't find it with apt-cache or apt-file or such. As nice aptitude commands are, they are hard to remember (if you seldom use/need them) |
| 00:54.17 | n4dir | probably dpkg -l and just sort it manually, or store that aptitude command somehwere ... |
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| 00:56.42 | n4dir | only name would work too, it seems. I should be able to remember that. |
| 00:56.59 | n4dir | thanks again. |
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| 01:13.34 | alex11 | cinnamon-core seems pretty bloated if it comes with network manager... |
| 01:14.37 | sponix | Cinnamon itself is fancy bloat |
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| 01:18.53 | b_jonas | hello. I'd like to list all the installed packages on this system, sort of like with (dpkg-query -l), except I'd like to print which packages are selected manually, which I think only apt knows about. how can I do that? |
| 01:19.32 | b_jonas | the goal is to give me a list of packages as a starting point reminder, from which I'll choose packages installed on another debian system. then I won't forget some obvious package that I use a lot. |
| 01:21.05 | alex11 | b_jonas, apt-mark showmanual |
| 01:21.41 | b_jonas | alex11: thanks, I didn't even know of the apt-mark program (the man pages of apt and apt-cache don't reference it) |
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| 01:23.57 | b_jonas | alex11: yes, that seems to work |
| 01:24.48 | somiaj | n4dir: which is why I just linked the docs so you could look them up (which is what i do when needed)( |
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| 01:25.21 | alex11 | i still prefer xfce compared to anything else but i was just getting a bit bored with how it looks, but i guess it's time i learn how to rice it |
| 01:25.27 | somiaj | n4dir: the short way would just be aptitude search ~nlibrazik I think |
| 01:25.34 | alex11 | or use fluxbox or something |
| 01:25.46 | somiaj | b_jonas: also aptitude search ~i |
| 01:25.47 | Unit193 | alex11: Using whiskermenu? |
| 01:26.07 | sponix | alex11: my xfce looks pretty Mac Like. I have it doing all the launching, task switching, and so on with Plank |
| 01:26.09 | alex11 | well, the default thing xfce comes with, i haven't tried whisker |
| 01:26.13 | somiaj | alex11: Seems cinnimon is fairly popular from people who use to use xfce (from what I've seen, haven't tried it) |
| 01:26.46 | b_jonas | somiaj: thank you, that also seems to work |
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| 01:27.18 | n4dir | somiaj: yes, that seems to work too. |
| 01:27.47 | Unit193 | alex11: Xfce defaults are pretty bland, but you can get it decently shiny. I don't like much eyecandy, but prefer to make it at least not ugly. |
| 01:28.21 | somiaj | alex11: also does installing it with --no-install-recommends maybe help cut down on the recommended stuff, which most users may want but you might not. |
| 01:28.46 | b_jonas | I'll read how aptitude command line works then, that seems convenient |
| 01:29.20 | somiaj | lots of the stuff has been encopriated into apt, though the aptitude search stuff is only recentally getting into apt (in sid, but not buster) |
| 01:29.37 | somiaj | I haven't kept up on that though, have reverted to aptitude the few times I need such powerful searching options |
| 01:30.11 | somiaj | someone else commented here renctally that they use aptitude because to removes packages (apt autoremove) with the initial remove command and dosen't need a second command |
| 01:30.28 | n4dir | also when troubleshooting aptitude can have other or better solutions than apt-get. I mean in Sid like screwed sitautions. |
| 01:30.42 | n4dir | or could, been ages. |
| 01:31.01 | n4dir | but the syntax ... oh my. |
| 01:31.11 | b_jonas | I am using aptitude in interactive mode to install and upgrade packages already |
| 01:31.43 | b_jonas | and I did know it has a command-line mode, but couldn't find the right command, and wasn't sure it was the right tool in first place |
| 01:32.28 | n4dir | b_jonas: and usually when you need it it isn't easy to create a search term which search machines may understand ... |
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| 01:33.06 | somiaj | n4dir: more and more the divide between the two is less |
| 01:33.18 | n4dir | apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 01:33.32 | somiaj | there was one release (years ago) that aptitude was the prefered tool to upgrade, but most prefered apt-get |
| 01:33.42 | somiaj | yea, though apt-get is kinda now just for scripting, and most users shoudl be using apt |
| 01:33.56 | somiaj | (apt includes both apt-get and apt-cache options) |
| 01:33.59 | n4dir | i seem to recall way back it was hightly recommended not to mix the two. But that has changed long time ago |
| 01:34.37 | somiaj | that was only for a very small period, and fixed fairly quickly |
| 01:34.49 | somiaj | the biggest issue was apt/aptitude vs synamptic not playing nicely together, that one lasted a bit |
| 01:35.28 | b_jonas | apparently (aptitude search '~i !~M') lists only the manually installed packages (it's a pity that that includes ones marked "manually" by installing the base system -- why isn't that just a few packages meaning "base system" with lots of dependencies?) |
| 01:35.44 | b_jonas | (probably so that you can uninstally parts of it more easily) |
| 01:36.54 | somiaj | debootstrap just doens't set any flags really, so the packages you get before you start actually installing on top of it are just all considered manual due to that. I'm unsure if this is an issue the dev team cares much about or not |
| 01:37.25 | b_jonas | it probably doesn't matter too much |
| 01:37.34 | somiaj | in general you most likley want all of standard (unless building a minimial system), and since there is really only auto and manual, a new flag might be best, maybe acll them 'base' |
| 01:37.43 | b_jonas | somiaj: yeah |
| 01:37.57 | b_jonas | besides, the whole list is quite managable, only 613 packages on this particular system that I'm listing |
| 01:38.08 | b_jonas | and aptitude agrees with apt-mark on the number, which is nice |
| 01:38.23 | somiaj | You don't want the base system being auto, and unsure if adding another flag and how it will play out would be the best bet, though someone here was quite upset about this |
| 01:38.39 | b_jonas | somiaj: yeah, probably a third flag would be needed |
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| 01:39.23 | b_jonas | doesn't really matter now |
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| 01:39.48 | b_jonas | I'll just look up the manual for how to change the format, and aptitude will work fine |
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| 01:41.39 | somiaj | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html |
| 01:42.10 | somiaj | b_jonas: what were you looking for, auto installed packages? |
| 01:42.13 | somiaj | or manual installed? |
| 01:42.55 | somiaj | maybe something like ~i~M~poptional lists all manually installed optaional packages |
| 01:46.59 | b_jonas | somiaj: manual installed, and I already found (aptitude search '~i !~M') |
| 01:48.20 | somiaj | oh opps, missred the docs ~M is actually autoamtiac...anyways, the ~poptional may remove all the base system (Standard and above) acpakges |
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| 01:49.06 | b_jonas | somiaj: thank you |
| 01:49.20 | b_jonas | though I'll instead list both but display the priority with -F |
| 01:51.06 | somiaj | nice, just pointing out that most should just install all standard and above packages, (even if they aren't using them all), it is a fairly minimial system, and this allows prority to help you find the optional (which is most the packages in debian) to remove the base system |
| 01:52.16 | b_jonas | somiaj: yes, I will do that in the new installation, but this one is debian 9, that one is debian 10, so the list of standard packages can differ, |
| 01:52.55 | b_jonas | somiaj: plus I think what complicates this is not the required packages, but I think I selected the browser bundle at installation time, or something like that, which causes a lot of packages to show up as manual even though I don't recognize them |
| 01:53.35 | b_jonas | such as libpulse0:i386 shows up as manual and optional priority, and I don't know why I'd install that manually, so it's probably for that browser bundle |
| 01:53.49 | b_jonas | but that's just a few packages |
| 01:54.11 | b_jonas | it's still only 613 manually installed packages, so I can just read through the whole list |
| 01:54.29 | somiaj | maybe, I always start with a minimum system, I only have like 300 without optional, and 194 if I limit to optional manulaly installed |
| 01:55.01 | somiaj | b_jonas: what are you actually trying to do here with this list? |
| 01:55.56 | b_jonas | somiaj: install a debian 10 base system on the new computer, then read through the list and select the packages that I know I want to install on the new system. that way it will happen less often that I realize I want a program later and have to install it one by one. |
| 01:56.25 | b_jonas | if I tried to go by memory, I'd forget a lot of packages that I do need; and I don't want to read the whole package list, since that's much longer |
| 01:56.32 | somiaj | ahh okay, wasn't sure if you were trying to clone things, /msg dpkg aptitude clone if courious |
| 01:56.53 | b_jonas | there will also be new packages that aren't installed here but that I will install on the new system |
| 01:57.02 | somiaj | though going from 9 to 10, as you said, might have to make adjustements |
| 01:57.28 | b_jonas | it's not just 9 to 10, also the hardware is much better |
| 01:57.51 | b_jonas | so I'll also need to learn how software RAID and caching the file system to SSD works, but that's not for today |
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| 02:02.50 | b_jonas | strange, it looks like aptitude search disables formatting to columns when the output isn't isatty, and I can't find how to enable it. adding an explicit width field in the format like (aptitude search '~i !~M' --enable-columns -F "%c%a%M %40p %E %v |%O %P |%d" > packages-manual.txt) doesn't seem to help. |
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| 02:04.27 | b_jonas | oh well, I can work that around in post-processing |
| 02:06.51 | b_jonas | (yes, I don't need all those fields, but I want to see the information printed before I remove them) |
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| 02:53.44 | zumba_addict | Folks, I need help in finding which started the java process. I don't see it in systemd nor in rc.local file. What else can I check? |
| 02:57.58 | Casper26 | Anyone have any experience with cups-browsed service causing debian long shutdowns like 90 seconds? |
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| 03:03.34 | sponix2ipfw | Casper26: nope, haven't experienced that issue |
| 03:05.43 | idlenode | zumba_addict, find Parent's PID |
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| 03:06.43 | zumba_addict | i got this `root 751 1 1 00:17 ? Sl 1:50 /usr/java/jre/bin/java -Djava.util.logging.config.file=/usr/java/util/tomcat/conf/logging.properties` using ps -f 751 |
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| 03:09.17 | lenswipe | Hi all |
| 03:10.03 | lenswipe | Anyone know if it's possible to create a small template chunk in scribus? |
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| 03:12.21 | idlenode | zumba_addict, cd /etc/rc5.d && grep -Rl "java.util.logging.config.file" |
| 03:12.33 | zumba_addict | I'm good noow |
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| 03:12.50 | zumba_addict | i found out via `cat /proc/1/cmdline` |
| 03:12.59 | zumba_addict | i'll try that too |
| 03:13.02 | zumba_addict | interesting coommand |
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| 03:13.27 | zumba_addict | no output from that grep |
| 03:13.47 | zumba_addict | it's a systemd |
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| 03:17.39 | idlenode | how about this? cd /lib/systemd/system && grep -Rl "java.util.logging.config.file" |
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| 03:19.26 | idlenode | zumba_addict, did you find the service starting it? or not yet? |
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| 03:26.01 | zumba_addict | yes, I did |
| 03:27.56 | zumba_addict | parent id was 1 |
| 03:28.14 | zumba_addict | so i executed `cat /proc/1/cmdline` |
| 03:28.41 | zumba_addict | actually, I think I was wrong |
| 03:28.57 | zumba_addict | it was just saying it was started by systemd `lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 2 2016 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd` |
| 03:29.11 | zumba_addict | so it's systemd but which service, lol |
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| 03:30.35 | idlenode | yeah, well, PID one is systemd |
| 03:32.32 | zumba_addict | yep |
| 03:32.44 | idlenode | try this command, you may find the service cd /lib/systemd/system && grep -Rl "java" |
| 03:32.45 | zumba_addict | how do I pinpoint which service it is? |
| 03:32.54 | zumba_addict | i already did, nothiing |
| 03:33.57 | zumba_addict | i also tried it in /etc/systemd/system |
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| 03:35.13 | sponix | I'm glad systemd is so simple |
| 03:35.22 | idlenode | lol |
| 03:35.29 | sponix | isn't there a way to query it with like sysctl or something ? |
| 03:35.35 | zumba_addict | i think it's one of the service that calls the shell script |
| 03:35.36 | sponix | wait that isn't the one |
| 03:35.57 | jmcnaught | Do you know the name of the process? |
| 03:36.27 | idlenode | java is the name of the process |
| 03:36.45 | jmcnaught | systemctl status $(pidof java) |
| 03:37.05 | zumba_addict | i tried `systemd-analyze plot > /tmp/services.svg` |
| 03:37.06 | sponix | Yeah, that is the one |
| 03:37.24 | sponix | jmcnaught: well played |
| 03:37.43 | sponix | systemd is a great OS. But a terrible init :) |
| 03:37.44 | zumba_addict | ah, my guess was right! |
| 03:37.53 | zumba_addict | that pid param is nice! |
| 03:38.01 | zumba_addict | never thoought that was possible |
| 03:38.07 | zumba_addict | thank you both |
| 03:38.13 | jmcnaught | systemd-cgls will also show you a tree listing all your units |
| 03:38.34 | zumba_addict | i tried that but that command failed |
| 03:38.48 | zumba_addict | failed to connect to bus something |
| 03:38.58 | sponix | I had to fire up a Debian 10 VM to actually have "systemd" lol |
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| 03:39.59 | zumba_addict | why some doesn't like systemd? I think it's nice |
| 03:40.25 | jmcnaught | It's not a good topic for this channel really, people have strong opinions and this place is for tech support. |
| 03:41.07 | zumba_addict | ð |
| 03:41.36 | nvz | what? nooo.. strong opinions? About systemd? <Michael Jackson>Thats /ignorant/</Michael Jackson> |
| 03:42.50 | sponix | I'm not going to speak for or against... Just saying I needed to have it handy to find the name of the tools and so forth |
| 03:42.54 | idlenode | nice? I dont upgrade systemd cause when I do my gdm3 wont start |
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| 03:50.25 | sponix | idlenode: odd how it manages to break other things, isn't it :) |
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| 03:51.03 | sponix | wonder how that takes place, maybe the gdm3 service file isn't "compatible" with the newer systemd version ? |
| 03:53.35 | idlenode | yeah, It's like windows, you upgrade it and your old software is not compatible anymore :) |
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| 03:56.21 | sponix | idlenode: is the systemd upgrade you are attempting to do the version from backports or something ? |
| 03:57.25 | idlenode | the systemd I was trying to upgrade to was 246.4-1 |
| 03:57.57 | idlenode | and my gdm3 is 3.36.2-1 |
| 03:59.00 | jmcnaught | !debian-next |
| 03:59.00 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 03:59.03 | sponix | idlenode: well if doing Buster -- Yeah, that was the backports from Sid most likely |
| 03:59.19 | sponix | unless of course, you are actually ON Sid |
| 03:59.55 | alex11 | backports are from testing, not sid |
| 04:00.15 | sponix | alex11: oh... my bad |
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| 04:00.50 | sponix | the one I did required me to enable Sid source lines, so I thought they came from there |
| 04:00.56 | sponix | !ssb |
| 04:00.56 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:01.37 | sponix | v, rtorrent |
| 04:01.42 | sponix | ,v rtorrent |
| 04:01.43 | judd | Package: rtorrent on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2+b1; buster: 0.9.7-1; bullseye: 0.9.8-1; sid: 0.9.8-1 |
| 04:01.49 | somiaj | buster-backports are from testing, making your own can be from wherever you want. |
| 04:02.04 | sponix | somiaj: the things we learn :) |
| 04:02.42 | sponix | that was an "assumption" on my part it seems |
| 04:02.52 | sponix | alex11: thanks for clarifying |
| 04:03.12 | somiaj | with a 5-10 day wait in many cases, they are often the same version anyways. |
| 04:03.47 | alex11 | correct, but seeing as how packages do get removed from testing in some cases it's a good sign if a package is in testing long enough to get backported |
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| 04:14.34 | idlenode | I was getting this error: |
| 04:14.50 | idlenode | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.26 | idlenode | then: /usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[1080]: (EE) xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 1 (Permission denied) |
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| 04:16.52 | soda__hobart | hey |
| 04:17.01 | gry | hi soda__hobart |
| 04:17.03 | somiaj | idlenode: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:17.04 | idlenode | hi soda__hobart |
| 04:17.23 | idlenode | the latest one |
| 04:17.55 | idlenode | I install unstable packages too |
| 04:17.57 | somiaj | idlenode: do you mean buster, I thought you said something about sid, just wasn't quite sure which version you were running. |
| 04:17.58 | soda__hobart | is there a mirror that is good for use with the net-install iso of debian 8? i am trying to install it on 32-bit powerpc architecture (ibook w g3) |
| 04:18.12 | somiaj | idlenode: we can't support mixing unstable packages with stable, that is just going to cause a mess |
| 04:18.42 | soda__hobart | or, perhaps some niche channel or forum that discusses these topics, haha! |
| 04:19.05 | somiaj | idlenode: due to how the libaries and packages are interconected, it is best to either run fully stable, or fully unstable (or maybe testing if you don't want to go all the way to unstable) |
| 04:20.14 | idlenode | somiaj, i use this mirror: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:20.28 | gry | "unstable"? |
| 04:21.09 | idlenode | yeah unstable=sid I think |
| 04:21.11 | somiaj | idlenode: are you fully upgraded to unstable, or mixing some stable/unstable packages? There is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for unstable support, but to provide good bug reports, one does need to be upgraded to the current versions. |
| 04:21.12 | alex11 | !frankendebian |
| 04:21.12 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 04:21.14 | alex11 | ^ |
| 04:22.39 | somiaj | idlenode: anyways, trying to help get you support to fix your system. But if you are mixing, the bug could be an issue with what you have mixed. If this bug is present in unstable, then looking for a bug report, or reporting a good bug report can help get it fixed. |
| 04:22.39 | alex11 | soda__hobart, debian 8 is deprecated |
| 04:23.10 | somiaj | soda__hobart: archive.debian.net has old releases and can work as a mirror for them |
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| 04:23.57 | soda__hobart | cool |
| 04:24.10 | somiaj | alex11: not fully, https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended, though unsure how much funding/support elts has, but they say debian 8 is supported until 2022-06-30 |
| 04:24.23 | soda__hobart | yeah, this computer is deprecated, so i think it'll be alright :] |
| 04:24.46 | alex11 | oh, powerpc? yeah, i see why debian 8 is desired |
| 04:24.52 | soda__hobart | brb, i'll share a pic once i get it up and running! |
| 04:25.06 | alex11 | (due to the project dropping support for it) |
| 04:25.08 | soda__hobart | with a little luck, at least |
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| 04:25.28 | somiaj | powerppc por is on ports.debian.net, though the docs to install it seemed to be lacking |
| 04:25.55 | idlenode | somiaj, I dont mix them, I had upgraded all packages except python2 python-all python-all-dev python2-dev python2-minimal dh-python |
| 04:26.35 | soda__hobart | i guess it's still installing from the CD... it only has 128 MB of RAM hah!! |
| 04:27.02 | somiaj | idlenode: the python2 transition has been a bit rough, maybe you have something caught in that since you are holding things back. You might want to look at how to run python2 in a python virtual enviroment if you still need it |
| 04:27.29 | somiaj | idlenode: but you should take your unstable support issues to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, maybe someone there can help you track down a similar bug, or you could report one |
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| 04:27.57 | idlenode | well, I dont use it, I have other packages which do |
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| 04:30.48 | somiaj | idlenode: having other packages that do means you are using it, and as such it might be best to install that python2 stuff inside a virtual enviorment, or see what the transition state on them is. Anyways, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:31.27 | idlenode | ok somiaj, thanks |
| 04:32.26 | alex11 | and do make sure you're completely upgraded |
| 04:34.04 | somiaj | well in this case, provided all the depends are upgraded, it should be fine, though I didn't see any similar bug reports against gdm3 for this issue |
| 04:36.57 | idlenode | I believe it's systemd's problem |
| 04:37.20 | idlenode | cause when I downgrade it to the stable version, gdm3 works fine |
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| 04:43.54 | somiaj | idlenode: again #debian-next irc.oftc.net, also try snapshot.debian.org, and figure out what version causes the issue, and file a bug report (though look for one first) |
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| 06:18.35 | fernando_ | HI |
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| 06:28.25 | fernando_ | test |
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| 06:31.00 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 07:00.57 | inerkick | hi |
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| 07:16.31 | nvz | you just don't shut up do you? |
| 07:18.16 | ratrace | so loud! |
| 07:18.46 | nvz | ikr, I can barely keep up with the pace of this one |
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| 07:26.52 | ratrace | !anyone |
| 07:26.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 07:50.48 | tongubin | tongubin Hello, I have problem with polari irc (debian 10 gnome). I cant connect to channels debian and lor in polari. I added Freenode to my networks, identified by /msg NickSery identify [password] & tried connect to that channels. That channels are exist, but i cant write to it & see three dots near the channel name. What can I do? I'm sorry about my English. |
| 07:53.31 | Haohmaru | tongubin /join #debian |
| 07:53.48 | Haohmaru | what's your nickname with this polari thing? |
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| 07:54.34 | tongubin | My nick was tongubin |
| 07:54.40 | tongubin | Now its tongubin_ |
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| 07:56.00 | Haohmaru | what does polari say when you do /join #debian? |
| 07:56.11 | Haohmaru | minus the '?' at the end |
| 07:56.25 | tongubin_ | Oh, now i can write to debian |
| 07:56.47 | tongubin_ | I dont know wtf was going on |
| 07:56.51 | Haohmaru | ah, sorry, you're already in |
| 07:57.10 | Haohmaru | my coffee levels are still critically low |
| 07:57.54 | ratrace | do something about that! |
| 07:58.35 | tongubin | >my coffee level are still critically low |
| 07:58.40 | tongubin | lol |
| 07:59.06 | Haohmaru | stirrs a bucket of coffee |
| 07:59.51 | ratrace | I stopped drinking coffee last year |
| 08:00.03 | tongubin | I odnt drink coffee |
| 08:00.07 | Haohmaru | aww |
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| 08:00.16 | tongubin | *don't |
| 08:00.42 | tongubin | stop... a BUCKET of COFFEE? |
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| 08:01.21 | Haohmaru | hm.. you have a point |
| 08:01.23 | ratrace | I'd say that's a figure of speech, but knowin Haohmaru, probably isn't :) |
| 08:01.26 | Haohmaru | gets a barrel |
| 08:01.29 | ratrace | attaboy |
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| 08:06.03 | tongubin | goodbye |
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| 08:47.59 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 08:47.59 | dpkg | <confusid> I installed mutt but it is not showing on my menu in xfce :/ |
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| 08:49.27 | Haohmaru | doesn't get it |
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| 08:52.17 | nvz | !qotd157 |
| 08:52.17 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 08:52.56 | ratrace | lol |
| 08:53.30 | nvz | yeah, its funny even if you weren't there |
| 08:54.04 | nvz | !factinfo qotd157 |
| 08:54.04 | dpkg | qotd157 -- created by nvz <n=nvz@c-24-3-200-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> at Sat Nov 26 08:49:55 2005 (5407 days); it has been requested 84 times, last by nvz, 1m 47s ago. |
| 08:54.19 | nvz | man, that was a long time ago :P |
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| 08:55.22 | Haohmaru | five thousand days ago |
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| 08:55.28 | Haohmaru | nvz feel old? ;P~ |
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| 08:56.28 | nvz | sometimes |
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| 09:14.47 | twanny796 | Hello I'm back regarding using SDHC on debian, any help, please? |
| 09:15.04 | Haohmaru | what's the question? |
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| 09:16.22 | twanny796 | fdisk -l does not list it. |
| 09:16.43 | jelly | twanny796, do you have any /dev/mmcblk* devices ? |
| 09:16.57 | Haohmaru | maybe it "doesn't work" then |
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| 09:17.08 | Haohmaru | i assume you're using some card reader? |
| 09:17.28 | twanny796 | no I am using the sd port in the laptop. |
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| 09:17.41 | Haohmaru | aww, built-in.. hm |
| 09:17.54 | twanny796 | linux sees it as /dev/mmcblk0, fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 does not work. |
| 09:18.26 | jelly | twanny796, how does it fail to work |
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| 09:20.30 | twanny796 | just stays on 'Welcome to fdisk'. |
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| 09:20.55 | Haohmaru | wut o_O |
| 09:21.18 | Haohmaru | twanny796 what are you actually trying to achieve with the SDHC card? |
| 09:22.20 | jelly | twanny796, which debian release is this and is it a new-ish laptop model |
| 09:22.26 | twanny796 | I boot linux from usb and I want to use some files from windows. |
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| 09:25.20 | twanny796 | actually I just mounted the windows partition and I can copy files from there. Thank you for your help :) |
| 09:25.35 | Haohmaru | <le_shrug.jpg> |
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| 09:29.25 | sgo11 | how to check if a file is a sparse file or not? surprisingly, I can not find this in google... |
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| 09:34.00 | hegemoOn | ls -ls file ? |
| 09:35.55 | sgo11 | hegemoOn: I don't know how that helps checking sparse files. |
| 09:36.35 | jelly | sgo11, du will tell you how mouch block space a file is actuall using |
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| 09:38.07 | sgo11 | jelly: actually ls -hl shows the actual file size. so no need to use other commands. That's why I didn't ask how to check the size of a sparse file, I was asking how to determine it's a sparse file. |
| 09:39.30 | jelly | sgo11, ls -hl shows only apparent size here, which debian release are you using? |
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| 09:40.38 | jelly | dd if=/dev/zero of=1TB bs=1M seek=1048576 count=0; ls -hl 1TB ... -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 1.0T Sep 15 11:37 1TB |
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| 09:41.09 | jelly | du 1TB ... 01TB |
| 09:41.34 | sgo11 | jelly: some long story why I am asking this question. When I use virt-manager to create a .qcow2 file (100 GB)_, ls -hl shows 100GB. BUT if I use command line "qemu-img create -f qcow2 path 100G" to create a file (sparse?), ls -hl will show the true size (194KB). I am wondering what happend to the command line creation and if that is a sparse file. |
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| 09:42.33 | jelly | sgo11, I guess qcow2 format is more complex and doesn't necessarily use filesystem sparseness |
| 09:42.46 | sgo11 | I can use that 194KB file without any problems in qemu vm. The size will be increased when new data will be wriiten. |
| 09:42.52 | jelly | those 194KB is apparent size. |
| 09:43.08 | RoyK | jelly: du should show how much is on the dis, du --apparent-size should show what's apparently (according to ls etc) on the disk |
| 09:43.21 | jelly | sgo11, du will tell you actual allocated blocks |
| 09:44.23 | jelly | right, so you can have a good guess on whether a file is sparse by comparing du and du --apparent-size |
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| 09:45.04 | RoyK | jelly: yes |
| 09:45.39 | RoyK | jelly: that is, unless it's compressed, ut then, most linux filesystems don't use compression |
| 09:46.00 | RoyK | at least not ext4/xfs |
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| 09:47.12 | sgo11 | OK. so virt-manager UI will create .qcow2 files with sparse format. BUT "qemu-img create -f qcow2" command will create .qcow2 files as a normal file (no sparse). Both sparse and non-sparse qcow2 files are supported in qemu/kvm VMs. This is weird. |
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| 09:49.00 | sgo11 | Btw, to clarify, "qemu-img create -f qcow2 file 100G" will create 194K file. The file size can be increased up to 100G among usage. |
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| 09:50.48 | RoyK | sgo11: AFAIK qcow2 can be sparse or not, but I haven't understood why, really |
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| 09:52.22 | RoyK | sgo11: I often create volumes with qemu-img create instead of telling virt-manager to do so and just use the latter to attach the new vdisk to the vm |
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| 09:53.10 | sgo11 | RoyK: yeah, I always use qemu-img too, because I can see the true size simply with "ls -hl |
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| 09:54.00 | netcrash | Hello, not sure if this is the correct channel to ask... How can I see how the qemu disk image works? |
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| 09:55.56 | sgo11 | Otherwise, I have to use ls -hls to see the true size. I feel bad when I see the file with a large size. I am not a sparse format expert. Not sure if "cp" will do weird things in sparse files or not. I thought qemu-img created a sparse file too with some special technique, I was wrong then. |
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| 09:57.16 | RoyK | sgo11: cp handles sparse files well, whereas with rsync, you'll need to add -S |
| 09:59.22 | sgo11 | RoyK: ok, thanks. Now, I know "qemu-img create" will simply create a normal non-sparse file. This clarifies things. I was confused. |
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| 10:00.20 | RoyK | aren't we all? ;) |
| 10:01.12 | RoyK | sgo11: it might be virt-manager passes -S <somesize> to qemu-img to create those volumes - not sure |
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| 10:03.03 | sgo11 | RoyK: thanks. I think you are right. I am reading the manpage. Any advantage of using sparse file for qcow2 files? |
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| 10:04.03 | shtrb | Is there an opensource dolby interface module ? |
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| 10:12.26 | archaeopter | Hello! Can somebody help me isntall debian with btrfs compression? |
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| 10:17.36 | OsteHovel | archaeopter, You can just select btrfs as filesystem during the installation of Debian, I have not tested it myself for the root system but I did it for a separate disk |
| 10:20.05 | archaeopter | OsteHovel im in manual partitioning rn, why im asking, too bad you cant just choose fs type at least for it to autopartition, i know i need to edit fstab for compressionbut dont know how on live |
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| 10:21.56 | OsteHovel | Just let it autopartition and then just change it to btrfs |
| 10:22.14 | sgo11 | RoyK: FYI: from [url](https://cmdref.net/middleware/virtualization/kvm/convert_image.html), I think sparse disk format will have better performance than qcow2. "qemu-img create" will use "-f raw" by default and create a sparse file. "-f qcow2" will create a non-sparse file. qcow2 format actually means non sparse. virt-manager use the file extension .qcow2 is actually misleading. |
| 10:22.40 | archaeopter | Im on kde live, no autopartition here or am i blind? |
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| 10:23.21 | archaeopter | Or is it the procedure on netinstall? |
| 10:23.43 | OsteHovel | I am actually checking the netinstall right now |
| 10:24.55 | ratrace | archaeopter: technically you don't need partitioning for btrfs. you can always later create subvolumes and copy from directories you want to "convert" into subvolumes |
| 10:24.55 | archaeopter | Ok, i guess ill download netinstall and report back, but then again- how do i manage for the install to be btrfs-compressed? |
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| 10:25.44 | ratrace | archaeopter: if there's no option for subvolume compression in the installer, I'm afraid you'll have to debootstrap the installation |
| 10:25.46 | archaeopter | Ok, any advice on having debian itself be compressed? |
| 10:26.26 | OsteHovel | Atleast you can select btrfs during installation https://imgur.com/a/shLTy8y |
| 10:26.28 | ratrace | also note Debian's opinion on btrfs compression here: https://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs#Warnings |
| 10:26.32 | another | sidenote: for compression levels you need a backports kernel and btrfs-progs |
| 10:27.08 | archaeopter | Ah jeez it gets so complicated, ill just take the couple Gb loss from having the system uncompressed |
| 10:27.20 | archaeopter | Its a 120gb drive anyway |
| 10:27.46 | archaeopter | Thx for the help u 2, off i go downloading and writing the netinstall |
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| 10:29.14 | RoyK | sgo11: virt-manager can create qcow2, sparse or not. I just tried to create a 20GB drive with 4GB allocated as qcow2. It allocated a full 20GB non-sparse file. Interesting ;) |
| 10:29.41 | RoyK | sgo11: you hve to dial into advanced and so to find that |
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| 10:30.14 | sgo11 | RoyK: yean, you're right. "qemu-img info file" does tell virt-manager's disk is a qcow2 format (sparse), which is different from "-f raw" raw format (sparse). Whatever. kinda complicated. stop research here. This is too much. |
| 10:31.04 | RoyK | sgo11: file tells me motion-test.qcow2: QEMU QCOW Image (v3), 21474836480 bytes |
| 10:31.12 | RoyK | so it's not raw |
| 10:31.42 | sgo11 | So qemu/kvm images have 1, raw (non sparse). 2, raw (sparse). 3, qcow2 (sparse)_. 4 qcow2 (non sparse). |
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| 10:32.03 | RoyK | something like that :þ |
| 10:32.46 | RoyK | makes sense, right? give the admin sufficient amount of choices and make her day a living hell |
| 10:34.02 | sgo11 | ^_^. I stop here. too much for me. going to do some other work. |
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| 10:41.26 | ratrace | qcow2 isn't supposed to be sparse |
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| 10:43.28 | jelly | reads the wiki page on btrfs and decides his prejudice against it is completely valid |
| 10:44.08 | ratrace | is running btrfs multi-device (mirror) rootfs, no fancy options, and is so far satisfied. |
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| 10:44.56 | ratrace | (no compression, no defragging, no deduping, no no-cow trickery, no non-default options save space_cache=v2 which is recommended) |
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| 10:48.28 | hwm4rgs | why should i ditch my zfs striped mirrors in favor of btrfs? assume i know nothing about file systems |
| 10:48.44 | hwm4rgs | (and assume i don't care about licenses) |
| 10:49.56 | ratrace | for starters on debian dkms may have issues and may turn unbootable on updates. also zfs in stable is very buggy and with crippled performance, so you'll need backports, but I suppose that's not a reason to switch per se. I guess there isn't any really, if zfs WorksForYou(tm) |
| 10:50.49 | ratrace | I used to be a ZFS zealot until ZFS ate my data, and now I'm diversifying filesystem portfolio. btrfs on productoin because it's simpler to manage, zfs on backups because it's not btrfs. |
| 10:51.41 | hwm4rgs | oh, right, i'm running freebsd's zfs |
| 10:51.46 | ratrace | (and I will not consider a non-data-checksumming filesystem for any important data) |
| 10:51.54 | hwm4rgs | so yeah, works for me, but i see the point of diversity |
| 10:52.32 | hwm4rgs | i had (early) btrfs eat my data once though so i feel that way about it :) |
| 10:52.50 | ratrace | years ago btrfs ate my data too. now zfs did, so I guess FilesystemsEatData(tm). :) |
| 10:53.17 | hwm4rgs | someone's gotta do it |
| 10:53.22 | ratrace | but to be fair, btrfs is now in a much much better state than it was a few years ago |
| 10:54.18 | ratrace | personally I believe the future of zfs on linux is grim. the kernel devs hate it. unless zfs changes license, I foresee big issues in the future. |
| 10:55.50 | RoyK | but still the btrfs development is moving slowly and the tools are (IMHO) non-trivial |
| 10:56.26 | RoyK | raid-[456] is broken, or perhaps something like "as well as you keep a good backup or three and can live with some downtimeâ¦" |
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| 11:01.02 | archaeopter | Back from the fresh netinstall, quick question about the btrfs compression in fstab |
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| 11:02.09 | ratrace | archaeopter: #btrfs is perhaps better place for non-debian-specific btrfs questions, more experienced people there |
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| 11:02.50 | archaeopter | Oh, kk |
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| 11:07.00 | shtrb | anyone about the dolby question ? |
| 11:07.03 | archaeopter | But debianrelated- how do i make myself a sudo user? |
| 11:07.28 | shtrb | archaeopter, usermod -aG sudo youruse |
| 11:07.36 | archaeopter | Ah, thx |
| 11:08.14 | archaeopter | usermod not found? |
| 11:08.44 | shtrb | it's an administrative command (should be run with a sudo or by a user that has permissions for that) |
| 11:09.03 | archaeopter | same, tried su and then doing that |
| 11:09.38 | shtrb | it's "su -" |
| 11:09.40 | shtrb | not su |
| 11:09.47 | archaeopter | ah fuck |
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| 11:10.31 | archaeopter | thx! |
| 11:11.18 | shtrb | np , have fun |
| 11:11.22 | shtrb | !next |
| 11:11.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 11:18.03 | RoyK | ,v grub |
| 11:18.04 | judd | No package named 'grub' was found in amd64. |
| 11:18.06 | RoyK | ,v grub2 |
| 11:18.07 | judd | Package: grub2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; stretch: 2.02~beta3-5+deb9u2; buster: 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2; buster-security: 2.02+dfsg1-20+deb10u2; bullseye: 2.04-8; sid: 2.04-9 |
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| 11:22.13 | archaeopter | For some reason im still not in the sudors file after usermoding in su - ? |
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| 11:23.38 | gry | archaeopter: the groups update after you log out and log in. |
| 11:23.46 | archaeopter | Ah, kk |
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| 11:34.57 | keanny479 | Hello |
| 11:35.33 | keanny479 | I use squid 4.6 with Debian 10.5 (Buster) |
| 11:35.58 | keanny479 | How can i install sarg ? i tried `apt install sarg` not available |
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| 11:37.14 | jelly | ,v sarg |
| 11:37.16 | judd | Package: sarg on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3.6-1+b1; stretch: 2.3.10-2; sid: 2.4.0-1 |
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| 11:38.17 | keanny479 | if i wish to install from debian 10 ? |
| 11:38.29 | keanny479 | how can i get for example the version 2.4.0-1 ?? |
| 11:38.33 | RoyK | I guess install from source, then, unless there's a repo somewhere |
| 11:38.53 | RoyK | perhaps check if there's a docker instance for it to avoid messing up too much |
| 11:39.11 | ksk | !checkbackports sarg |
| 11:39.23 | ksk | mhhm, seems that was not the correct trigger :) |
| 11:39.27 | jelly | there's usually a good reason why a piece of software isn't available in stable or testing |
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| 11:39.34 | jelly | dpkg, why is sarg not in thesting |
| 11:39.35 | dpkg | jelly: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:39.37 | RoyK | ksk: ,v should hve listed it in backports if it were there |
| 11:39.37 | jelly | dpkg, why is sarg not in testing |
| 11:39.38 | dpkg | sarg is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=sarg |
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| 11:39.58 | jelly | ,checkbackports sarg --fromrelease sid --torelease buster |
| 11:40.31 | jelly | ,checkbackport sarg --fromrelease sid --torelease buster |
| 11:40.32 | judd | Backporting package sarg in sidâbuster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 11:40.36 | ksk | RoyK: yeah I know, I wanted to do the magic, see what jell-y does ;) |
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| 11:41.00 | jelly | keanny479, you might be able to build a .deb package for sarg locally, using the backport recipe: |
| 11:41.03 | jelly | !ssb |
| 11:41.03 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:41.14 | jelly | ,i sarg --release sid |
| 11:41.16 | judd | Package sarg (web, optional) in sid/amd64: squid analysis report generator. Version: 2.4.0-1; Size: 233.9k; Installed: 843k |
| 11:41.31 | keanny479 | jelly judd yep, but honestly i'm confuse, i don't know how to do that |
| 11:41.39 | keanny479 | someone can help me ? please :) |
| 11:41.45 | jelly | dpkg the other bot just told how. |
| 11:41.45 | dpkg | jelly: are you using Windows? |
| 11:42.00 | sgo11 | Hi, I just got a SSD external USB drive. Toshiba XS700. I am wondering how I can test its health if I can not run smartd tests. It supports SMART, but it doesn't allow me to run smart test. I downloaded Toshiba SSD utility, but unfortuantely, it doesn't support Health check on this device either. Thanks. |
| 11:42.01 | keanny479 | i use ssh to access the box |
| 11:42.29 | jelly | keanny479, how good are you with Debian? Do you know how to edit text config files as root |
| 11:42.56 | keanny479 | i can use vi.. and enable some piece of software |
| 11:43.03 | keanny479 | i installed the squid with kerberos |
| 11:43.08 | keanny479 | now i wish to use sarg |
| 11:43.28 | keanny479 | so what are the steps ? |
| 11:43.37 | keanny479 | dpkg jelly |
| 11:43.37 | dpkg | keanny479: are you using Windows? |
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| 11:43.49 | RoyK | sgo11: usb3? |
| 11:44.01 | sgo11 | RoyK: yeah, usb3. |
| 11:44.01 | keanny479 | i'm using Windows 10, but i administrate my debian from ssh using powershell |
| 11:44.34 | sgo11 | 480GB. |
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| 11:45.23 | RoyK | sgo11: I've seen usb connected stuff not allowing for smart tests several times - well - usually it doesn't work |
| 11:45.51 | jelly | keanny479, those are literally the steps. Again: |
| 11:45.52 | jelly | !ssb |
| 11:45.52 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:46.23 | jelly | keanny479, you can ask the bot about other <things>: /msg dpkg debian-backports |
| 11:46.34 | jelly | keanny479, /msg dpkg deb-src sid |
| 11:46.38 | jelly | and so on |
| 11:47.38 | RoyK | !frankendebian |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
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| 11:48.26 | sgo11 | it's a second hand. so I am wondering if I can do something to make sure it works. |
| 11:48.53 | sgo11 | last thing I want to do is to dd 480g file. :) |
| 11:49.12 | RoyK | sgo11: is this a native usb device or sommething wrapped up in a usb to sata thing? |
| 11:49.24 | ratrace | chances are it's the latter |
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| 11:49.33 | RoyK | I've seen both |
| 11:49.38 | ratrace | yea |
| 11:49.50 | sgo11 | RoyK: it's a native usb device. But I have to use -d sat in smartctl. so I am not sure what's iniside. |
| 11:50.02 | ratrace | I got one here. and I shucked all the sata disks in enclosures, I prefer my own external craddle |
| 11:50.12 | RoyK | SpeedyG: then just open it ;) |
| 11:50.13 | jelly | WD have an unfortunate tendency to make usb-only electronicsso you can't pull the disk out |
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| 11:50.56 | RoyK | jelly: well, you can pull the disk out, obviously, and then attach it to usb⦠|
| 11:51.18 | jelly | ftw |
| 11:51.29 | keanny479 | i added the sid source |
| 11:51.35 | keanny479 | did a apt update |
| 11:51.37 | keanny479 | next ? |
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| 11:51.51 | RoyK | dpkg: tell keanny479 about debian-next |
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| 12:11.45 | another | ratrace: "space_cache=v2 which is recommended" where are you getting this from? |
| 12:14.00 | ratrace | another: from folks in #btrfs. space_cache=v2 is slated to become default, it's not yet because it's unsupported by older kernels |
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| 12:14.59 | another | thx |
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| 13:16.16 | jelly | ,depends default-mysql-client |
| 13:16.17 | judd | Package default-mysql-client in buster/amd64 -- depends: mariadb-client-10.3. |
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| 13:16.53 | jelly | or that thing, which pulls in whatever recommended mysql-client for the installed debian release |
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| 14:13.12 | rr123 | some reading on debian concerns me, can debian focus on its software instead of trying to be part of political movement? for the first time I am thinking about other alternatives |
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| 14:15.03 | rr123 | be the best software, open and free, is the best way to save the world on its own, please don't mix with any other political stuff |
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| 14:18.25 | last1 | I upgraded clamdscan to the latest version 1.02 I think and it can no longer scan anything, just says: total errors 1 |
| 14:18.30 | last1 | anyone else saw this error ? |
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| 14:24.40 | Deihmos | what political movement is he referring to |
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| 14:27.42 | jelly | we'll never know |
| 14:30.24 | fiet | last1: I am running ClamAV 0.102.4/25929/Sun Sep 13 15:53:46 2020 and have no issues whatsoever. |
| 14:31.30 | fiet | last1: Where did you see that error? |
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| 14:35.46 | Ede|Popede | choosing your license may already be a political statement |
| 14:36.17 | last1 | when I run: clamdscan testdir/ |
| 14:36.29 | last1 | it exits right away and says just total errors: 1 |
| 14:36.31 | last1 | and no files scanned |
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| 15:08.00 | icypee | hello |
| 15:08.11 | ratrace | hurro |
| 15:08.14 | icypee | when i drag a file to my flash drive it says permission denied |
| 15:08.18 | icypee | how do i fix this? |
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| 15:08.41 | ratrace | icypee: the filesystem on your flash drive needs to be writable by you. which filesystem is it? |
| 15:08.47 | icypee | ext4 |
| 15:09.09 | gribouille | hi |
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| 15:09.31 | gribouille | vgsplit test1 test2 /dev/sdd1 gives the following message: /dev/sdd1: Checksum error. any idea? |
| 15:09.34 | ratrace | icypee: so one way is to make the mounted filesystem owned by you, for example sudo chown user:user /path/to/mounted/fs where user is your actual user, and the path is, well, the actual path |
| 15:11.01 | icypee | thanks that helped |
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| 15:36.16 | Kobaz | so, 'apt-key update' is depricated but it doesn't tell you what you should be using instead |
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| 16:34.29 | SuperNull | Hey gents, does anyone have advice on doing SSO where as Windows AD is back end authenticator. We were attempting radius but it seems to be insecure and painful. |
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| 16:43.02 | jelly | SuperNull, sssd with ad backend will give you kerberos and therefore SSO; however, the versions we tried in debian were a bit unreliable so we settled on sssd with ldap backend |
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| 16:43.29 | jelly | which isn't SSO, it's merely "use same account and passwords everywhere" |
| 16:43.44 | SuperNull | @jelly any articles on this ? and does the server need to 'join' the domain ? |
| 16:43.56 | jelly | with ad backend, yes |
| 16:44.00 | SuperNull | i just slipped an @ on irc w00ps |
| 16:44.08 | jelly | oh noes |
| 16:44.42 | SuperNull | damn its very hard for us to join things outside our firewall as the DNS for that domain is managed by linux based servers not the AD it self.. so its a pain in the but to get the responses synced |
| 16:45.32 | jelly | hmm. If you can access port 443, perhaps the AD people can set up ADFS and then you can use OAuth2 |
| 16:45.46 | jelly | which is proper SSO again |
| 16:46.25 | jelly | but I haven't tried that, we mostly use ADFS for O365 hybrid integration and some separate services |
| 16:46.33 | jelly | I only know it exists |
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| 16:59.11 | SuperNull | i will take a look jelly, thanks. |
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| 17:35.59 | [rg] | are ubuntu ppa's compatible with debian? |
| 17:36.24 | jelly | in general no |
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| 17:36.52 | jelly | PPA infrastructure builds binary .deb packages only for Ubuntu releases |
| 17:37.50 | sponix | [rg]: any certain package you are looking for ? |
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| 17:37.58 | jelly | sometimes a package for a particular ubuntu release works on a particular debian release of similar age. but that's accidental more than anything |
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| 17:39.15 | [rg] | I want to run debian, but if possible something close to 5.12 |
| 17:39.21 | [rg] | kde 5.12* |
| 17:39.55 | jelly | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 17:39.56 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.14.5.1-1; bullseye: 4:5.17.5-3; sid: 4:5.17.5-3 |
| 17:40.21 | jelly | 5.12 sounds older than what's in buster (Debian 10) |
| 17:40.54 | [rg] | hm maybe I meant 5.18 |
| 17:41.22 | [rg] | what kernel is currently in debian? |
| 17:41.46 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 17:41.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.9.0-rc4-686 (5.9~rc4-1~exp1); sid: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); bullseye: 5.8.0-1-686 (5.8.7-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports: |
| 17:41.48 | judd | 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1) |
| 17:42.03 | somiaj | 4.19 is the stable kernel, but newer 5.7 kernel is avaiable in backports |
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| 17:42.14 | [rg] | ah interesting |
| 17:42.16 | [rg] | thanks |
| 17:43.00 | somiaj | I suggest using the 4.19 kernel unless you have hardware that needs the newer kernel. |
| 17:44.23 | sponix2ipfw | [rg]: Debian in general chooses tested stability over the latest versions |
| 17:45.04 | [rg] | ok |
| 17:45.24 | [rg] | what systems are there to get new releases of software like llvm10? |
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| 17:47.10 | [rg] | since you don't have ppa's |
| 17:47.40 | sponix | [rg]: if you want the latest and greatest of Debian, you can run the "testing" or "unstable" branches at your own risk :) |
| 17:48.39 | sponix | to find out more about that you can hit the irc.oftc.net network and join #Debian-Next |
| 17:48.45 | jelly | v llvm |
| 17:48.48 | jelly | ,v llvm |
| 17:48.50 | judd | Package: llvm on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-36; buster: 1:7.0-47; bullseye: 1:9.0-49.1; sid: 1:9.0-49.1; experimental: 1:10.0-50~exp1 |
| 17:48.56 | strongsec | Just understand that latest may != greatest. |
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| 17:49.10 | jelly | the experimental repo seems to have llvm-10 |
| 17:49.12 | [rg] | I know, it's just for dev |
| 17:49.21 | [rg] | sponix: sure |
| 17:49.27 | sponix | strongsec: Yeah, my system is so rock solid right now it is boring !! |
| 17:49.39 | jelly | you can get sid (unstable) + experimental bits running |
| 17:49.47 | jelly | !experimental |
| 17:49.47 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 17:49.59 | dka | can ACPI cause my computer to restart unexpectivly? |
| 17:49.59 | jelly | !sid |
| 17:49.59 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 17:50.11 | jelly | oops |
| 17:50.13 | jelly | !unstable |
| 17:50.13 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 17:50.20 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 17:50.20 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 17:51.50 | [rg] | dka: no I don't think so |
| 17:52.26 | [rg] | that would be a weird kernel reponse to an error |
| 17:52.35 | sponix | dka: ACPI in general is power management. And there is a LOT that can go wrong with it |
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| 17:58.24 | Stonefruit | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 17:58.45 | Stonefruit | whoops, sorry. |
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| 18:04.40 | oxek | what's the point of apt-show-versions package? |
| 18:05.44 | sponix | oxek: when there are already other methods ? |
| 18:06.55 | sponix | no idea. I use apt-cache madison rtorrent for that |
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| 18:19.57 | somiaj | [rg]: Depending on what newer stuff you want or need, you can backport/compile stuff locally and run a base stable system with some newer stuff that way. Though this depends a lot on what that newer stuff you want/need is. |
| 18:21.32 | [rg] | I see |
| 18:21.49 | [rg] | thanks for the advice folks |
| 18:22.03 | somiaj | oxek: I like how they apt-show-versions say it is useful in a stable/testing mix which is usually not something we suggest. Anyways, it appears it has scripted things to give a nice output of what stuff is upgradeable if you have multiple sources for packages, and which upgrades can be done without upgrading stable for instance. |
| 18:23.16 | somiaj | [rg]: Many run testing/unstable on their desktops for daily use. Sid has the highest chance of things breaking with upgrades, often times things are buggy, but the fixes (including security fixes) are fairly quick (depending on package). testing has a 5-10 day window of testing in sid before the packages migrate. This means less stuff breaks in testing, security support is far slower, and transitions can |
| 18:23.22 | somiaj | really mess with testing (as packages maybe removed due to them). |
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| 18:24.51 | [rg] | ok here goes |
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| 18:27.14 | alex11 | and then again you get the "i've run sid for 20 years with no issues" people, though there are also those who say that about arch, so... grain of salt and all that |
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| 18:29.30 | sney | I believe the people who make the former claim in support channels are usually just lying, because they are abysmal troubleshooters |
| 18:30.46 | alex11 | stable is still the best option for the vast majority of people |
| 18:30.54 | alex11 | if you want to work with your computer and not on your computer |
| 18:31.01 | sney | indeed. |
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| 18:33.34 | abrotman | I only use ludicrous |
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| 18:48.28 | jhutchins | What I have always loved to hate since the FIDOnet days are the people who say "well I've never had any trouble with that". |
| 18:48.45 | jhutchins | That just means you have no clue how to find and fix problems with "that". |
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| 20:06.44 | zarickan | Hi everyone, how do I update the kernel? Tried doing "sudo apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-headers-5.7.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" but after that completes (without any errors or warnings from what I can tell) I can't boot anymore |
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| 20:11.57 | oxek | zarickan: should have done 'apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64' |
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| 20:12.10 | somiaj | zarickan: are you able to boot off the old kernel? What part of the boot process are you stopped (do you see grub?) |
| 20:12.20 | somiaj | oxek: although that won't necessarly help with the issue at hand. |
| 20:12.32 | oxek | somiaj: true, but it prevents issues in the future |
| 20:12.45 | zarickan | I can boot the old kernel, last thing I see is a ACPI bios error, then system becomes unresponsive even to power button |
| 20:14.08 | somiaj | zarickan: it could be an issue with your hardware and the backport kernel. Why do you want the backport kernel, what doesn't work with the stable kernel (this dosen't fix your issue, but it may address if a backport kernel is worth it for you). |
| 20:14.34 | zarickan | Someone somewhere else suggested updating it. I am hoping it also allows me to use XFCE |
| 20:15.00 | somiaj | zarickan: wonder if something else is crashing, you could try appending systemd.unit=multi-user.target to see if the issue is with the graphical login |
| 20:15.14 | somiaj | zarickan: why do you think a newer kernel will help with xfce? What gpu do you have? |
| 20:15.20 | zarickan | 5700XT |
| 20:15.33 | somiaj | is that a radeon gpu? |
| 20:15.35 | zarickan | Yes |
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| 20:16.13 | zarickan | Running 'apt install -t buster-backports linux-image-amd64' instead doesn't change anything, still hangs after ACPI Bios error |
| 20:16.45 | somiaj | you probably also need the firmware-amd-graphics installed from backports for that card. But if you are getting acpi errors, maybe see if you can toggle any acpi settings in your bios. |
| 20:17.35 | diogenes_ | zarickan, try booting with nomodeset or acpi=off |
| 20:17.46 | somiaj | But it does appear that card needs a 5.3 or newer kernel, I was hoping you could have just stayed on the stable kernel. As to why the kernel is not botting, I don't know, but it could be some other issue. Acpi issues can sometimes cause problems, and sometimes there is togglable options in the bios to help get around them |
| 20:17.53 | zarickan | My firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | I second turning off the display manager (multi-user.target), and also maybe get rid of "quiet", so you can see all the messages. |
| 20:18.02 | somiaj | nomodeset might make it boot, but this won't fix the graphical issue |
| 20:18.11 | zarickan | Where do I set the nomodeset? |
| 20:18.36 | diogenes_ | !nomodeset |
| 20:18.54 | zarickan | Is there any way to see the output when I boot with the old kernel? Perhaps it also gets the same error, but manages to get past it? |
| 20:19.08 | somiaj | zarickan: hit 'e' at the boot time in grub, and you can manually edit the boot parameters. |
| 20:19.27 | somiaj | zarickan: though debian grub has a recovery option for that kernel, does the 5.7 recovery option boot you into single user mode? |
| 20:20.57 | zarickan | nodemodeset didn't do anything, let me try the recovery mode |
| 20:21.16 | zarickan | recovery mode also hangs, but different things are printed this time |
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| 20:21.30 | diogenes_ | nodemodeset? |
| 20:21.44 | zarickan | without, I can try with |
| 20:21.56 | diogenes_ | did you type it correctly? |
| 20:22.18 | zarickan | I just put "nodemodeset" on a new line at the top right? |
| 20:22.24 | diogenes_ | it's nomodeset and not nodemodeset |
| 20:23.32 | diogenes_ | and you add it after the linux line before quiet splash. |
| 20:24.02 | diogenes_ | linux nomodeset quiet splash |
| 20:24.26 | zarickan | I dont see quiet splash anywhere |
| 20:24.47 | zarickan | Ah, nevermind, at the end of the screen |
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| 20:25.21 | zarickan | Do I add it before or after the "/boot/... root=UUID... ro"? |
| 20:25.36 | diogenes_ | after |
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| 20:26.00 | zarickan | That works, it boots |
| 20:26.04 | zarickan | Thanks |
| 20:26.11 | zarickan | Still no XFCE though |
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| 20:26.56 | diogenes_ | that won;t solve the issue but at least you got a desktop. |
| 20:27.40 | jhutchins | ... well at least a console. To the logs! |
| 20:27.44 | zarickan | Well I have a tty now, no desktop. Boots to black screen with cursor |
| 20:28.00 | zarickan | Which logs are a good place to look at to figure out why it is not showing DE? |
| 20:28.16 | diogenes_ | xorg. |
| 20:28.40 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 20:28.40 | dpkg | Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
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| 20:29.47 | jhutchins | Also dmesg for messages regarding drivers. |
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| 20:29.53 | bipul | Hi, how to mount .vdi file ? |
| 20:30.14 | jhutchins | zarickan: Were you by any chance running the drivers from AMD? |
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| 20:30.50 | diogenes_ | zarickan, if you got net then run: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:30.55 | zarickan | I have the firmware-amd-graphics installed, how can I see which drivers it is using? |
| 20:31.36 | zarickan | Looks like it is related to the GPU somehow, https://termbin.com/s744 |
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| 20:32.08 | zarickan | I have an RX 5700 XT |
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| 20:32.27 | bipul | Using debian iso image can we create chroot ?? |
| 20:33.25 | somiaj | bipul: just use debootstrap |
| 20:33.29 | bipul | Like we use debootstrap to create chroot for any version of debian. |
| 20:33.44 | sney | zarickan: nomodeset disables the video driver entirely, and this error reflects that. look at previous xorg logs, Xorg.1.log etc in the same directory |
| 20:33.48 | bipul | but i don't want to fetch anything from the internet |
| 20:34.02 | somiaj | bipul: set up an apt-cacher-ng mirror for your network |
| 20:34.21 | bipul | Now what is this?? |
| 20:34.37 | somiaj | bipul: apt-cacher-ng is a proxy you can use that caches packages, so each package is only downloaded once |
| 20:34.42 | bipul | I have build an iso image, now just wanted the copy of it as chroot |
| 20:34.45 | somiaj | bipul: thus all your debian systems (and chroots) use that. |
| 20:35.10 | somiaj | bipul: well what file system is on the .vdi file? Just mout as a loopback device? |
| 20:35.15 | bipul | somiaj I don't want to use any thing from the upstream |
| 20:35.24 | bipul | i tried |
| 20:35.31 | zarickan | @sney It doesn't boot without it, so I have no logs other than that one |
| 20:36.01 | somiaj | bipul: I guess I don't see the difference between downloading an .iso image or just downloading packages. But anyways, I don't have the expreience in the method you are using to provide much help. |
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| 20:36.55 | bipul | okay no problem sir, even this method is new to me |
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| 20:37.11 | diogenes_ | zarickan, ls /etc/X11 | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:37.58 | diogenes_ | zarickan, dmesg | grep -i firmware | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 20:40.11 | jhutchins | diogenes_: He already has the firmware installed. |
| 20:40.25 | greycat | does he, really? |
| 20:40.41 | jhutchins | diogenes_: It's possible he has the ATI-sourced driver, and does not have dkms enabled. |
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| 20:41.20 | diogenes_ | could be. |
| 20:41.26 | sney | I saw an issue on testing a couple weeks ago where a 5.7 kernel would crash immediately when loading a specific module. I don't remember which module it was, but this is a similar behavior, and these instructions helped narrow it down: https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 20:41.27 | zarickan | https://termbin.com/slrg5 https://termbin/ra8d |
| 20:42.18 | zarickan | Missed the .com in the last one. This is with nomodeset |
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| 21:01.09 | diogenes_ | zarickan, you might want to try something like this: https://wiki.debian.org/AMDGPUDriverOnStretchAndBuster2 or https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/bullseye_di_alpha2/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 21:05.26 | diogenes_ | i've never thought i'd say this but nvidia kinda supports better their cards for Linux even though non-free. |
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| 21:07.28 | zarickan | Great why does amd do this |
| 21:07.40 | zarickan | You cant download their drivers with wget, they just redirect to error page |
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| 21:10.30 | zarickan | Unfortunately I don't think AMD graphics cards are an option for me. I still use windows, and their drivers and software for windows is absolutly horrible compared to what AMD offers |
| 21:11.22 | zarickan | I meant nvidia, not AMD at the start |
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| 21:15.09 | jhutchins | I always get nvidia and radeon mixed up. |
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| 21:18.36 | jo-erlend | Is there a way to use an apt-mirror as local media rather than exposing it through a web server? |
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| 21:20.59 | dvs | jo-erlend, of course! Use nfs to a remove server. |
| 21:21.07 | dvs | *remote |
| 21:23.05 | jo-erlend | dvs,no, I mean I have an apt mirror on my disk. I would like to use it directly rather than doing through any kind of network. |
| 21:23.51 | greycat | the first example in sources.list has a "deb file:/..." entry |
| 21:23.52 | dvs | jo-erlend, yeah, use the "file:" URL instead of http: |
| 21:23.58 | greycat | I mean, in sources.list(5) |
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| 21:26.30 | tinga | Hmm. If I `mv` a big file to another partition, it will unlink the file and exit as soon as it has finished writing the file contents to the target file system, long before it's actually written to disk (still just hanging in the block buffer). |
| 21:27.06 | tinga | And I can't find an option about `sync` in the mv man page nor its --help. |
| 21:27.33 | greycat | you can call 'sync' explicitly |
| 21:27.39 | tinga | How? |
| 21:27.44 | tinga | You mean the sync command? |
| 21:27.46 | greycat | by typing the word sync |
| 21:27.58 | tinga | What good does that do to me once mv has already unlinked the source file? |
| 21:28.36 | tinga | What I mean is, what if power to the external USB drive goes out at that point, the computer crashes, whatever? |
| 21:28.50 | greycat | if this is a concern for you, don't mv the file; copy it (rsync or whatever), then sync, then rm the original |
| 21:29.14 | tinga | It just strikes me as *very* odd that a core command doesn't even have the *option* to sync before unlink. |
| 21:29.31 | tinga | I'm not even asking for it to be safe by default. |
| 21:29.55 | tinga | I know I can make my own "mv" command, but why should I have to? |
| 21:30.13 | klys | #coreutils |
| 21:30.22 | tinga | Good suggestion, was never there. |
| 21:31.41 | tinga | klys, where? Can't find that on either freenode, OFTC or MAGnet |
| 21:31.51 | klys | oh? |
| 21:32.02 | greycat | there's #gnu |
| 21:33.51 | klys | ^ |
| 21:35.00 | tinga | Yep, trying there. Thanks |
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| 22:16.36 | archaeopter | Hello! Im trying to fix my weather kde widget with this fix, but cant find the package, does anybody know whats its named? https://github.com/kotelnik/plasma-applet-weather-widget/issues/77 |
| 22:16.59 | archaeopter | libqt5-qtxmlpatterns-imports in opensuse |
| 22:17.07 | hassoon | archaeopter: what's the issue exactly ? |
| 22:17.15 | archaeopter | the widget wont load |
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| 22:17.35 | hassoon | archaeopter: can't you access its UI at all ? |
| 22:17.51 | de-facto | can i run LXC inside Debian on LXC? |
| 22:18.12 | hassoon | what's LXC |
| 22:18.23 | de-facto | linux containers |
| 22:18.46 | archaeopter | Yep https://i.imgur.com/JzjrFEq.png |
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| 22:29.58 | de-facto | how do i get a proper environment on debian for python3 pip? i really dont want it to write all over my system without package manager |
| 22:30.56 | de-facto | i will need to run this from systemd service |
| 22:31.05 | de-facto | maybe a whole LXC is overkill for this |
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| 22:31.23 | sney | iirc venv is the usual way to have a separate python ecosystem that doesn't shred apt's files |
| 22:31.25 | de-facto | but i have to properly isolate it from the rest of the system |
| 22:31.27 | somiaj | there are packages to make a python virtual envoiroment |
| 22:31.32 | somiaj | though which one keeps changing. |
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| 22:31.38 | sney | https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html this seems pretty straightforward |
| 22:32.06 | de-facto | do they guarantee not to write outside their directory tree in any possible scenario? |
| 22:32.07 | somiaj | ,i python3-virtualenv |
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| 22:32.10 | judd | Package python3-virtualenv (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Python virtual environment creator. Version: 15.1.0+ds-2; Size: 56.8k; Installed: 137k; Homepage: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv |
| 22:32.16 | de-facto | e.g. is it like lxc or chroot? |
| 22:32.35 | somiaj | de-facto: taht is eactly what a python virtual enviorment is, it is kinda like a chroot, but only the python stuff is stuck inside (you can also use normal system binaries) |
| 22:32.46 | porton | Is there an easy way to make a static hosting, that is map document roots on my server to domains added by Web users? |
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| 22:33.03 | somiaj | de-facto: you can actually create multiple virutal enviroments (with different versions of python and packages) to use |
| 22:33.23 | somiaj | porton: is this with apache or nginx? |
| 22:33.24 | porton | The best way I know requires root privileges as needs to create new Apache .conf files |
| 22:33.36 | de-facto | somiaj, so if i delete the directory of such a virtualenv every single bit is guaranteed to be gone with absolutely nothing left over? |
| 22:33.42 | porton | somiaj: I think Apache would be better (or is Apache MUCH slower?) |
| 22:33.48 | somiaj | de-facto: correct |
| 22:34.03 | somiaj | porton: for static stuff apache is enough slower once you add in thousands and thousands of requests. |
| 22:34.15 | de-facto | do you have a good guide for setting this up on debian buster? |
| 22:34.21 | somiaj | porton: but depending on size, both work. apache has a much better set of modules, and more features. |
| 22:34.21 | porton | somiaj: Nginx is harder with LetsEncrypt |
| 22:34.21 | de-facto | maybe this here? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-set-up-a-python-virtual-environment-on-debian-10-buster |
| 22:34.49 | porton | somiaj: Can I make hosting without requiring root every time a new domain is added? |
| 22:34.57 | somiaj | porton: nope, I've used both ngnix and apache, they are about equal with setting up ssl |
| 22:35.10 | sney | de-facto: it's usually best to follow upstream docs rather than random howtos. for virtualenv that's here: https://virtualenv.pypa.io/en/latest/ |
| 22:35.29 | porton | somiaj: I need to stop Nginx to renew certs with certbot |
| 22:35.47 | de-facto | porton, maybe take a look at https://ssl-config.mozilla.org/ |
| 22:35.54 | somiaj | porton: that is the hard part, you'll have to add a config to /etc/apache2/sites-available and make a link in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 22:36.14 | somiaj | you'll have to reload apache as well if you change certs/config |
| 22:36.25 | porton | somiaj: I know. My question, how to do this without root every time when a new domain is added? |
| 22:37.15 | strongsec | porton: You don't need to stop the webserver to renew certs with certbot. |
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| 22:37.53 | de-facto | porton, also quite a neat package in my opinion https://packages.debian.org/buster/acme-tiny |
| 22:38.04 | porton | strongsec: certbot needs to verify my server from LetsEncrypt's server. To verify it serves a document on :80 (or on :443?) This port is busy by Nginx, so I need to stop Nginx |
| 22:38.05 | de-facto | certbot is way too fat for my taste |
| 22:38.10 | somiaj | porton: I'm not quite sure, you'll proably have to create a user that can tell apache/ngnix to reload its config as far as I know. Not something I ever needed to look into. |
| 22:38.28 | strongsec | porton: No. Just use the webroot option to certbot. |
| 22:38.58 | de-facto | i think you can send nginx a signal to reload the config |
| 22:39.14 | strongsec | porton: You could also just use certbot-nginx. |
| 22:39.21 | de-facto | google it or ask in #nginx |
| 22:39.34 | porton | de-facto: To send a signal to a process running under a different user, need root privileges |
| 22:39.45 | strongsec | sudo, nopasswd. |
| 22:39.48 | sney | or the privileges of the service account |
| 22:40.02 | de-facto | somiaj, is there a debian based howto for virtualenv setup? |
| 22:40.11 | porton | How is it so important that certbot is heavy if it runs once per week? |
| 22:40.29 | porton | sney: What is service account? Account under which the service like nginx runs? |
| 22:40.35 | sney | yes. |
| 22:40.35 | strongsec | porton: The solution to your issue is far easier than you're making it. I suggest reading more into how certbot functions. |
| 22:40.49 | de-facto | i dont like certbot writing to config files, hence its too fat for my taste |
| 22:40.58 | strongsec | porton: And you could easily set up a sudoers line that allows a given user to reload the nginx config. |
| 22:41.03 | porton | de-facto: Why don't you like it? |
| 22:41.23 | strongsec | de-facto: So tell it not to. |
| 22:41.25 | de-facto | because it writes in config files and alters stuff, i want to be the only one writing those |
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| 22:41.43 | strongsec | certbot certonly - done. |
| 22:41.52 | de-facto | i rather run a client as non root, so it can not write to such files |
| 22:42.00 | de-facto | does it run as non-root? |
| 22:42.31 | porton | Sorry for offtopic, but is there a nonexpensive hosting with API control to add new users and domains and upload from my machine easily? |
| 22:42.43 | porton | I would like to resell it |
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| 22:42.52 | de-facto | running a huge python beast as root, taking stuff from the net and writing to config files all over the system, what possibly could go wrong? |
| 22:43.04 | strongsec | de-facto: Sure. As long as it can write to certain places, it doesn't need root. |
| 22:43.30 | strongsec | de-facto: Only needs to be able to write to its own locations. /etc/letsencrypt, for example. |
| 22:43.40 | strongsec | You can then certbot certonly, and be done with it. |
| 22:44.04 | de-facto | somiaj, that doc does not tell how to use it with .deb packages, it requires pip LOL |
| 22:44.25 | de-facto | the whole point being: i dont want to use pip |
| 22:44.42 | somiaj | de-facto: Last time I looked into this, it kept changing, there are various python tools. I would look at the package python3-virtualenv and see what tool it provdes, then read docs on that tool |
| 22:44.54 | strongsec | porton: Control panels are generally considered to be complete garbage and are to be avoided at all costs. |
| 22:45.35 | porton | strongsec: Do you speak about CP at my server (yes, I want to be a hosting) or at servers I want to resell by uploading there files from my UI? |
| 22:45.48 | strongsec | porton: Both. |
| 22:46.00 | de-facto | whats wrong with the howto i linked? |
| 22:46.06 | porton | strongsec: You want that I would give root rights to my users? :-) |
| 22:46.47 | porton | strongsec: or provide them a command line interface? |
| 22:46.51 | strongsec | porton: No. Why would you ever do that? Give them an unprivileged shell account and have the user's webroot within their /home directory. |
| 22:47.01 | strongsec | porton: Yes. Let them manage their content via ssh/sftp. |
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| 22:47.30 | porton | strongsec: the whole point of my project is that they manage their content through my software |
| 22:47.36 | somiaj | de-facto: looks like there is also python3-venv, which appears to be what the python3 docs recommend https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/venv.html, the tool seems to change every so often for this, and i don't keep up. |
| 22:47.38 | de-facto | and whats the difference between python3-venv and virtualenv python3-virtualenv |
| 22:47.40 | porton | that auto-converts to other file formats |
| 22:47.54 | strongsec | porton: Sounds like a bad plan to me. But alright. |
| 22:48.01 | de-facto | yeah i am already confused |
| 22:48.03 | somiaj | de-facto: the diffrence is mostly how the tool is used, they have the same result, an isolated enviorment for python. |
| 22:48.09 | de-facto | which of those 3 packages would i use |
| 22:48.27 | sney | de-facto: pick one at random, try it, if it doesn't suit your needs try another one |
| 22:48.32 | de-facto | i want to use it from systemd |
| 22:48.43 | de-facto | ugh |
| 22:48.47 | sney | de-facto: sometimes with linux you have to experiment with stuff and do your own research. |
| 22:49.11 | sney | it's how the helpers in this channel got any good, so don't act like it's beneath you |
| 22:49.23 | somiaj | de-facto: python3-virtualenv and virtualenv are basically the same (they come from the same source), one is the binary the other is thelibary |
| 22:49.37 | strongsec | sney: If only you knew the hard ways that I've learned the finer points of how certain commands work. |
| 22:49.45 | porton | strongsec: also I don't wan to create a new Unix user every time a new client registers, as this would require to run my soft as root or like this |
| 22:50.16 | strongsec | sney: Most recent example: blkdiscard. I thought running it without parameters would just trim all unused space from the disk. I was almost right. It trimmed all space on the disk, so now the whole thing was unused. |
| 22:50.36 | somiaj | de-facto: seems python3-venv (which is more a built in python3 tool now) has a limited set of features of python3-virtualenv, so depending on your use you might want to just use python3-virtualenv (for more features) |
| 22:50.36 | sney | strongsec: nod, we all have stories like that |
| 22:51.18 | somiaj | de-facto: I think the idea of venv was to have a more built in tool for this vs a full featured module. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41573587/what-is-the-difference-between-venv-pyvenv-pyenv-virtualenv-virtualenvwrappe -- anyways, you can see python people can't decide on a single method to make virtual enviorments, but I would probably go with pythone3-virtualenv if it was me |
| 22:51.55 | somiaj | de-facto: but python3-venv is probably a bit more 'light wieght' and native, not that it matters much. |
| 22:53.32 | porton | Can I run a webserver as my own user where I run other software? |
| 22:53.53 | somiaj | porton: most security measures don't let users open ports < 1024, so not really |
| 22:54.15 | porton | somiaj: It is not possible to open at all? |
| 22:54.16 | somiaj | though the webserver is ran as www-data, I think root opens the port then passes the command to a limited user |
| 22:54.21 | porton | nginx runs as nginx |
| 22:54.32 | somiaj | porton: you can change this security measure, but it is recommended not to |
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| 22:54.54 | strongsec | That is a very bad idea. Root users should never be able to bind to low ports. |
| 22:54.58 | somiaj | I think most user ran servers us 8000, 8080, etc |
| 22:55.12 | strongsec | I mean "non-root" users. |
| 22:55.13 | porton | somiaj: Why running nginx as my own user is worse than running it as www-data? |
| 22:55.37 | somiaj | you could also set up ngnix as a proxy to localhost:8080, and then run your user run server there |
| 22:55.57 | somiaj | I end up runnig various servers on localhost:8080, and just let the root one be a forward proxy |
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| 22:56.12 | porton | somiaj: no, this would not solve my problem of easy adding new domains |
| 22:56.44 | somiaj | seems like you are just trying to rebuild cpanel? |
| 22:57.18 | porton | somiaj: I want a "specialized cpanel" that converts uploaded files automatically (and serves only static context) |
| 22:58.26 | somiaj | anyways, this is not something I know much about, I would just look at how other things already implement this. My static content doesn't need to configure new virtualdomans on the fly. |
| 22:58.46 | porton | somiaj: You are probably not a hosting\ |
| 22:58.49 | somiaj | so not something I have looked into, nor know any of the issues/security concerns around doing it. |
| 22:59.13 | somiaj | but it is often better at this level to not rebuild a tool that has been tested and deals with the issues like cpanel |
| 22:59.34 | porton | somiaj: cpanel does not do automatic files conversion |
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| 23:00.03 | porton | somiaj: can I make a plugin for cpanel? |
| 23:00.18 | porton | is cpanel free software? |
| 23:00.37 | somiaj | I don't know, there are some cpanel alternatives I think as well. But maybe others can point you in the right direction. |
| 23:00.58 | somiaj | ElPresidente: It is best to turn off join/part announcments in a large channel such as this. |
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| 23:02.18 | somiaj | porton: also specialized question like this might be best asked of nginx or apache, more likely to get someone with more experience vs a distro support channel. |
| 23:02.57 | porton | Should I be a hosting with Debian or with Ubuntu? |
| 23:03.24 | sponix | porton: Yes |
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| 23:03.38 | porton | Is there a Debian package that I just install to my Debian server and become a hosting? |
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| 23:04.22 | sponix | porton: if you search the web there are "scripts" that automate most of the process.. Some better than others. That is placing a lot of trust it others process though |
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| 23:09.41 | warsoul | hello |
| 23:09.45 | warsoul | im having a new issue |
| 23:09.59 | warsoul | after couple of hours when i turn my monitor on |
| 23:10.09 | warsoul | mouse/keyboard stop working |
| 23:10.14 | warsoul | dont know what happen |
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| 23:11.23 | sponix | warsoul: so they were working when your monitor was off ? |
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| 23:13.43 | somiaj | could it be power savings, and things not recovering from suspend properly? |
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| 23:16.51 | oxek | I have another weird issue. A user that does not have root privileges can login on a linux virtual console, change all displayed text to green, logout, and suddenly the virtual console login text is all in green... |
| 23:17.00 | oxek | so apparently the logout does not reset the console |
| 23:17.18 | oxek | probably not a security issue, but still annoying |
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| 23:17.33 | oxek | especially since it cannot be reset without logging in again |
| 23:17.38 | somiaj | how are they changing the text? Is it via escape sequences |
| 23:17.48 | oxek | yes, escape sequences |
| 23:17.58 | somiaj | yea, sounds like you need to update the login scripts to undo those escape sequences, since the terminal is updated but not reset |
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| 23:18.23 | oxek | logout script, right? |
| 23:18.47 | somiaj | seems ~/.bash_logout could do it, clear_console is there, but maybe you need more to rest color changes |
| 23:19.31 | oxek | this is for the case of annoying students - they could get rid of it in their own ~/.bash_logout, so I need to do it on a higher level |
| 23:19.50 | somiaj | seems there is a system wide /etc/bash.bash.logout if this is a bash shell |
| 23:19.54 | oxek | I mean, "malicious users" |
| 23:20.13 | somiaj | if they use a different shell that won't work, wonder if there is a more universal way |
| 23:21.18 | oxek | that would cover the bash logout, yes |
| 23:21.26 | oxek | I am still looking for a universal way |
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| 23:21.40 | oxek | surprised it's not default behavior to reset the console on logout |
| 23:22.04 | somiaj | ahh seems that the clear_console on debian is run due to ~/.bash_logout in /etc/skel, so might need to write a system wide one for each shell users on your system have access too |
| 23:22.25 | somiaj | for instance zsh, /etc/zlogout |
| 23:22.53 | somiaj | and then write a script that does more than clear_console (since it doesn't seem to reset color/escape character changes to a console) |
| 23:22.57 | oxek | thanks, I can work with that. A little annoying that it has to be done separately for each shell |
| 23:24.49 | somiaj | oxek: try the 'reset' command vs 'clear_console' see if that rests everythign better |
| 23:25.16 | oxek | I added the reset command after the clear_console, and it does the job |
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| 23:28.31 | somiaj | oxek: you might not need both, reset might do clear_console (not that it matters much) |
| 23:30.47 | oxek | still weird that a non-root can affect login screen |
| 23:31.02 | oxek | (by default on debian) |
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| 23:32.38 | somiaj | well it is more that how the tty works, and seems systemd doens't fully reset it. I wonder if this can be fixed with systemd to just kill the getty@tty?.service and restart the tty after logout |
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| 23:33.01 | somiaj | but once that service is started, any updates to the terminal seem peristant (even clear_console is only default for bash due ot .bash_logout) |
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| 23:35.50 | jo-erlend | So I use apt-mirror to setup a local mirror, but when I updated, everything was ignored. I then realized that the mirror I chose to mirror was not the one I was using. So I guess maybe the mirror I mirrored was slightly outdated compared to the one I install from. Does that make sense? And if so, is there a way to move to an older mirror? |
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| 23:41.33 | dvs | jo-erlend, you just change the deb line in /etc/apt/mirror.list |
| 23:43.53 | jo-erlend | dvs, I did that, but for some reason it started from scratch. But that's not what I meant. I meant that if I had mirrored an archive that was older than the one I was using to install packages, if I could "downgrade" to the local mirror. |
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| 23:44.57 | jo-erlend | It's no big deal, as I said, I started over so I'll have a good mirror very soon. I was just curious. |
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| 23:46.29 | dvs | jo-erlend, from what I've seen, each repo has it's own directory so chances are the old repo is still being stored. |
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| 23:50.20 | somiaj | I thought the release files were in its own repo, but all the .deb's are stored in pool/ |
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| 23:54.41 | dvs | somiaj, I see each repo in /var/spool/apt-mirror/mirror has their own pool directory. |
| 23:55.08 | somiaj | dvs: ahh okay, maybe I'm thinking of a differnt tool than apt-mirror |
| 23:56.07 | dvs | somiaj, I think an actual repo is set up that way. |
| 23:57.04 | somiaj | I'm either thinking of debmirror, or confusing repos and dists (like jessie/stretch/buster/etc) |
| 23:57.38 | somiaj | dvs: thanks for the clarification. |
| 23:57.48 | dvs | np |
