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| 00:17.35 | EdePopede | whan is "browsable" on salsa? i see some directories, but the sources aren't included |
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| 00:35.22 | EdePopede | and a weird alphabet it uses https://salsa.debian.org/debian?sort=name_asc&page=4 |
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| 00:41.17 | EdePopede | htop (and also bashtop) has all the files on top level it seems. mc: nada. only "debian" which is a directory |
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| 00:48.04 | EdePopede | seems to be the content of the .debian tarball. but where's the one from the .orig? or are they just rips from the upstream? |
| 00:48.48 | sney | .orig is literally the upstream tarball, orig is short for original |
| 00:49.08 | sney | but also, not everything is maintained on salsa. tracker.debian.org is a good resource for checking which packages are and aren't |
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| 00:50.42 | sney | and debian tries to get changes included upstream as much as possible. debian is an integration project; ideally, the only change between upstream and the debian sources is package build glue in debian/rules |
| 00:51.28 | EdePopede | downloaded the htop's now. its .orig looks like the files salsa has here: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/htop/-/tree/master |
| 00:51.57 | EdePopede | so some packages have their original files browsable on salsa while others don't? |
| 00:52.31 | sney | yes |
| 00:53.09 | EdePopede | oh. good. so it's not me :) |
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| 00:56.25 | EdePopede | actually i was hoping to find some more undeveloped versions of mc's filetype helper scripts, but they seem to be the same, though some come as .in with tiny differences |
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| 02:12.24 | oblio | howdy |
| 02:12.32 | oblio | anyone else having problems w zoom screensharing under x11/bullseye? |
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| 02:17.01 | annadane | !debian-next |
| 02:17.01 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 02:17.04 | annadane | oblio, ^ |
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| 02:20.54 | qu1nn_pr0 | pointers greatly appreciated...missing my nextcloud; see thread: https://help.nextcloud.com/t/can-only-use-nextcloud-on-server-timeout-within-lan/84900 |
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| 02:26.01 | jhutchins | !owncloud |
| 02:26.01 | dpkg | ownCloud is an open source web application for data synchronization, file sharing and cloud storage. http://owncloud.org/ #owncloud on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:49.07 | Disavowed | Hey all. Delving into setting up my nvidia GPU on my XPS on Debian 10 but there's quite a few ways to do it and I'm not sure what I should be doing really. I'm newish to Debian which probably doesn't help |
| 03:49.31 | Disavowed | I've installed nvidia-driver via apt but glxinfo gives me: `X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)` which I suspect is something to do with my problem, but it's entirely possible I've gone about this all wrong! |
| 03:49.43 | Disavowed | Any pointers gratefully received |
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| 05:22.16 | mi11k1 | hey, whats the simplist ftp server? |
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| 06:02.51 | mi11k1 | rfkill shows it not being blocked |
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| 06:30.58 | EdePopede | don't people understand the difference between irc and a web forum anymore? |
| 06:31.53 | rj1 | maybe some people don't! |
| 06:35.08 | EdePopede | rj1: unrelated, you don't use thunderbird as irc client by accident? |
| 06:37.11 | rj1 | EdePopede: nope, do u? |
| 06:37.45 | EdePopede | no, hexchat. from the beginning, which wasn't even on my own system. |
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| 06:38.20 | EdePopede | it's just that a similar nick has SASL connect messages from another user |
| 06:38.56 | EdePopede | i thought this could have been you, raj1 some 15 hours ago |
| 06:39.04 | rj1 | not i |
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| 08:24.09 | r1nt3c | sorry misstake |
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| 09:08.36 | Monotoko | Anyone know where I'm supposed to find named-checkconf these days? |
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| 09:08.37 | Monotoko | everything tells me it's in the bind9utils but it's not |
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| 09:09.20 | f-a | I would like to write a mathematical formula in TeX and have it converted to an image. What is the easiest way to do it? If it is command line, even better |
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| 09:10.00 | Haohmaru | i hate to say this, but maybe it could be done with imagemagick x_x |
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| 09:10.45 | Haohmaru | i mean, if it's like a matter of putting some text with a specific font into an image.. |
| 09:10.52 | f-a | Haohmaru: that would be fantastic â and scary at the same time! |
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| 09:11.13 | Haohmaru | scary for sure |
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| 09:12.27 | Monotoko | I'm so confused... I can see the man page here: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/bind9utils/named-checkconf.8.en.html |
| 09:12.37 | Monotoko | and have everything installed including bind9-utils |
| 09:12.43 | Abrax | looks like i am using a fairly old debian version |
| 09:12.49 | Abrax | gotta do an upgrade |
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| 09:21.18 | ratrace | Monotoko: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 09:21.21 | ratrace | !buster su |
| 09:21.21 | dpkg | In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes for details. |
| 09:21.23 | ratrace | Monotoko: ^^ |
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| 10:06.25 | bipul | Hi, does anyone know how to connect with bridged adapter using virtualbox in debian 2.2 potato ?? |
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| 10:18.42 | RoyK | bipul: potato? ;) |
| 10:19.00 | RoyK | bipul: what are you trying to achive here? |
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| 10:31.02 | RoyK | bipul: if this is to revive an old installation or similar, I'd just use kvm. But again, if you have it running in virtualbox can either bridge the vm, which is neat, meaning it'll be on the same segment as everything else, or you can use the virtualbox "port forward" stuff. Not to be confused with iptables/nftables port forward. See |
| 10:31.07 | RoyK | https://www.howtogeek.com/122641/how-to-forward-ports-to-a-virtual-machine-and-use-it-as-a-server/ for more info |
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| 10:40.38 | otisolsen70 | Is it possible to run wireguard with Debian 10? |
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| 10:44.00 | Monotoko | ratrace Ahhh yes I forgot this, that makes sense thanks (turned out it wasn't the config, I was just asking for A records rather than PTR :P) |
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| 10:57.15 | bipul | RoyK, let see if i can do port forwarding |
| 10:59.34 | bipul | RoyK, But to do portforwarding NIC need to detect, and i found 2.2 version has kernel 2.2.19 which does not support NIC |
| 11:00.18 | bipul | Which does not support the list of NIC provided by VirtualBox. |
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| 11:01.28 | bipul | So basically what's happening here is potato uses 2.2.19 version of kernel which does not support any NIC provided by virtualBox |
| 11:02.14 | RoyK | oh - that sucks |
| 11:03.40 | bipul | RoyK, :( |
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| 11:06.09 | bipul | The only option i can see is to blend the 2 decade old kernel with +5 Years kernel and customize the iso |
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| 11:10.05 | RoyK | bipul: perhaps you could try with kvm? |
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| 11:15.59 | bipul | both uses the same libvirt, |
| 11:17.16 | bipul | RoyK, I guess VirtualBox & KVMuses the same libvirt |
| 11:18.45 | RoyK | that's libvirt, but not the drivers, afaik |
| 11:18.59 | JyZyXEL | neither of those use libvirt |
| 11:19.37 | bipul | Let me see search if kvm support 2.2.19 kernel versions |
| 11:19.55 | dka | I have upgraded my kernel and now I can't connect my bluetooth speaker |
| 11:20.03 | dka | it does not appear in my list of audio devices |
| 11:20.09 | dka | even if bluetooth is connected |
| 11:20.11 | dka | any idea why? |
| 11:21.11 | RoyK | bipul: I have some time off now, in these coronean times, so let me try :) |
| 11:21.59 | bipul | It's crona era. |
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| 11:30.41 | RoyK | damn - I've forgotten how shitty that potato installer was :D |
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| 11:35.17 | bipul | :) |
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| 12:16.06 | mokulus | I've been distrohopping a lot, could Debian be the remedy for my ailment? |
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| 12:20.00 | dvs | no! ;-P |
| 12:20.39 | netvixtra | try LFS |
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| 12:26.07 | jelly | !TIAS |
| 12:26.07 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 12:29.33 | dka | hi |
| 12:29.37 | dka | I am having bad issue with google-chrome-stable it's so unstable |
| 12:29.45 | dka | I am now thinking to format my debian |
| 12:29.51 | dka | But there's no reason to |
| 12:29.55 | dka | is this package unstable? |
| 12:30.11 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 12:30.16 | Haohmaru | y u no firefox? |
| 12:30.27 | dka | because chrome for web developement is better |
| 12:30.33 | dka | IMO |
| 12:30.54 | Haohmaru | how unfortunate |
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| 12:32.04 | Haohmaru | "formatting" doesn't sounds like a solution at all to me |
| 12:32.12 | Haohmaru | wut's it supposed to achieve? |
| 12:32.51 | dka | Haohmaru, do you have a better solution? |
| 12:33.01 | dka | I can start it with --disable-extensions |
| 12:33.13 | dka | but that doesn't fit for my web dev work |
| 12:33.25 | dka | I removed and purged it, reinstalled it, remove extensions sync otherwise it break |
| 12:33.29 | dka | install my own extensiond |
| 12:33.33 | dka | but then it break again |
| 12:33.41 | dka | it seemed that the issues was hangout extension |
| 12:33.42 | Haohmaru | no, i only browse, i don't make webpages |
| 12:33.47 | dka | but this time I didn't installed it, and it break again |
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| 12:34.46 | mokulus | I've been distrohopping a lot, could Debian be the remedy for my ailment? |
| 12:35.07 | RoyK | bipul: hm - I just don't understand why you want to run this old poptato install. If it's an old disk and so on, why not mount it and grab the data? |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | mokulus: 1160 "people" can't be wrong! |
| 12:36.30 | joepublic | settle on debian and you can distrohop between stable and testing. Much cozier. |
| 12:36.31 | RoyK | seven billion flies can't be wrong: eat shit! |
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| 12:39.03 | Aebian | can someone point me in the right diretion on how to go along with this device driver? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/platform/x86/lg-laptop.c my laptop is an lg and this driver would certainly fix some issues |
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| 13:09.33 | premoboss | hello everyone. I need to have Debian 4.0... where can i find CD/DVD images? i know rgere is a sort of archive, i dig here https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/i386/ but i fount onli the netist.iso, my wish is to have the images of cd/dvd, if possible. |
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| 13:15.36 | EdePopede | hm. did i miss Debian Retro Days? |
| 13:15.49 | Haohmaru | museum-grade Debian |
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| 13:18.01 | EdePopede | premoboss, https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ mentions jigdo which will give you the iso when everything is collected (or so they say, i didn't use it yet) |
| 13:18.25 | EdePopede | !jigdo |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is a method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ Jigdo uses .deb packages and a .jigdo receipe to create the image. |
| 13:18.52 | premoboss | thanks |
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| 13:33.02 | dD__ | My system is crashing with a strange I/O error directly from the SSD. I've practically tried everything to test the disk. Before replacing it, I want to be 100% certain. The server crashes about 24 hours in, and works perfectly before those 24-36 hours always. What would be the best way to check the logs? Since once the system crashes I have to reboot and sometimes it crashes in the middle of |
| 13:33.04 | dD__ | the night and cannot see the logs when it crashed. |
| 13:37.06 | sussudio | dD__: do remote logging. and 9 out of 10 times, it's either the powersupply or a bad cable/connection. |
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| 13:39.13 | greycat | also, enabling the persistent journal would be a good idea, and easier to set up than remote logging |
| 13:39.26 | greycat | dpkg persistent journal |
| 13:39.27 | dpkg | In Debian releases 8-10, systemd's journal is not persistent by default. To enable a persistent journal, enable Storage=persistent in /etc/systemd/journald.conf. Persistence will be the default in Debian 11 Bullseye. |
| 13:40.48 | shtrb | Does anyone know how to inverse the microphone led indicator ? my mic led is operating in an inverted way (led is on when mic is mutes/ not in use and off when it is in use ) |
| 13:40.57 | shtrb | Using debian buster |
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| 13:41.34 | no_gravity | Hello! Sometimes, when I type "exit" in a terminal it hangs for a while. It is always the second window in screen. Is there a way to find out what is going on? |
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| 13:45.59 | jelly | writing any kind of logs to a dead disk might pose a problem |
| 13:46.24 | greycat | True, but there's a good chance the disk is only partly dead, and not all the way dead. |
| 13:46.38 | greycat | So *something* might get written, and it doesn't cost much to try it. |
| 13:46.52 | greycat | Meanwhile you can also start working on remote logging. |
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| 13:47.49 | sussudio | if i recall correctly, enabling remote logging required 1 line at the client side, and uncommenting 2 lines at the server side rsyslog.conf |
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| 13:51.39 | kreyren | Heeelp~ https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/b58bd8d198dd3f7227f47127c4de69fa |
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| 14:22.14 | premoboss | EdePopede, no, i have to do a task that need that a kernel of 2.4.x |
| 14:25.37 | jelly | what kind of task? |
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| 14:26.16 | premoboss | jelly, if i tell you, then i have to kill you (joke) |
| 14:26.31 | premoboss | well, i am performing a linux-on-floppy |
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| 14:26.48 | premoboss | so i need a old kernel that can fit in. |
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| 14:29.08 | jelly | use tomsrtbt then, not a Debian kernel with lots of modularized stuff |
| 14:29.29 | jelly | and pick actual or virtual hardware VERY carefully |
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| 14:35.36 | dD__ | If this is a new error my disk is giving me, does this mean it's very likely a hardware issue? https://i.imgur.com/uyXMxd0.png |
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| 14:44.02 | this_paradis | kreyren: Life is Strange, Dreamfall, Dota 2, CS:GO, Gothic, Freespace 2 |
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| 14:46.03 | kreyren | this_paradis, thanks ^-^ |
| 14:46.07 | kreyren | what is Dreamfall and Freespace 2? |
| 14:47.13 | this_paradis | adventure and spaceship sim |
| 14:47.56 | kreyren | I see O.o |
| 14:48.28 | sussudio | dD__: did you google that error? looks like it's likely what i said before; bad sata cable or not seated correctly at either side. |
| 14:48.30 | annadane | dreamfall is the sequel to the longest journey so you may wish to play that one first |
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| 14:48.53 | annadane | you'll miss context otherwise |
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| 14:56.32 | dD__ | sussudio: I did, but the problem is that I already changed the cable, the SATA port, used compressed air, made sure it's seated correctly, and up to now nothing |
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| 15:02.21 | sussudio | dD__: powerconnector could be bad too. also, this "openmediavault" is not debian, just based on it. |
| 15:04.10 | sussudio | google also suggests disabling native command queueing to see if that fixes is, if it isn't a hardware problem (which most likely it is) |
| 15:07.20 | sussudio | oh, it even mentions ncq in the error message. |
| 15:07.24 | dD__ | sussudio: I did blow compressed air into the power connector but left it in the same place. But maybe i'll change it, power supply is also new |
| 15:07.31 | dD__ | what is NCQ? |
| 15:07.33 | dD__ | googling it |
| 15:07.51 | sussudio | what i said in the line before |
| 15:08.30 | dD__ | My problem is that after 24 hours I get this error message: https://i.imgur.com/RgN8wZV.png |
| 15:08.42 | dD__ | SSD is almost new but I'm guessing that it might just be a faulty one? |
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| 15:10.25 | sussudio | did you run a smart test on it |
| 15:11.19 | ImL8 | depending on the brand of ssd, there may be a tool to test it. I don't know if they make them for linux though |
| 15:11.33 | dD__ | sussudio: yes, found nothing: https://termbin.com/kuuc updated the database on another one but don't have the results here but also didn't show anything. |
| 15:12.04 | dD__ | ImL8: it's kingston, I ran it on medicat and it didn't find any problem with it |
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| 15:13.06 | dD__ | ran the diagnostics tools on medicat* |
| 15:14.52 | jmd | At https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/spread-sheet-widget I see the error: |
| 15:14.52 | jmd | "BLOCKED: Rejected/violates migration policy/introduces a regression" |
| 15:14.52 | jmd | but it doesn't say why it is blocked or which policy is violated nor any |
| 15:14.53 | jmd | other details. How can I get more information and/or fix this? |
| 15:15.17 | greycat | probably by clicking on it |
| 15:15.31 | jmd | It's not a link. Just text. |
| 15:15.59 | greycat | there's a new item that's only 2 days old, which might override that |
| 15:17.01 | greycat | beyond that, who knows... read the bug tracker, or ask the maintainers |
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| 15:26.14 | Haohmaru | ,v qucs |
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| 17:54.04 | buu | [ 2281.047438] FS-Cache: Loaded |
| 17:54.04 | buu | [ 2281.058928] FS-Cache: Netfs 'nfs' registered for caching |
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| 17:54.34 | buu | Gah, sorry |
| 17:54.42 | buu | This is a kernel panic right? https://clbin.com/034ix |
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| 18:00.05 | sney | sure is |
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| 18:08.00 | Thedarkb1 | Hi, I've installed libgtk-3-dev but gtk/gtk.h isn't in my library path. |
| 18:10.25 | sney | ,file gtk/gtk.h |
| 18:10.29 | judd | Search for gtk/gtk.h in buster/amd64: libgtk-3-dev: usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/gtk.h; libgtk2.0-dev: usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 18:10.38 | dvs | Thedarkb1, you need to include /usr/include/gtk-3.0/ to your include path |
| 18:10.52 | Thedarkb1 | Thank you. |
| 18:11.22 | greycat | there's probably some magic pkg-config command that you're supposed to run from your Makefile to generate the -I flags for cc |
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| 18:21.23 | tw | --cflags or --cflags-only-I |
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| 18:23.49 | tw | Oh, I guess the hard part is knowing to use --cflags gtk-3.0 to pull the proper library. |
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| 18:55.46 | cronolio | hello, where i can fing out default /etc/ld.so.conf for debian 10 ? |
| 18:56.18 | greycat | include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
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| 18:56.28 | greycat | plus a blank line for some reason |
| 18:57.07 | cronolio | thanks, looks like i am override it with my experiments |
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| 19:19.35 | otisolsen70 | Is there a way to see what installed packages takes up what space? I.e. make a list of packages by size so that I can remove stuff to clean up? |
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| 19:28.29 | jmcnaught | otisolsen70: the debian-goodies package has a dpigs command that does this. |
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| 19:29.33 | badsektor | dude try this: sudo apt install calibre --install-suggests. it wants to download 4 gb of files and needs 11 gb space in total |
| 19:29.51 | badsektor | just an epub reader |
| 19:30.50 | joepublic | that's kind of like saying Libreoffice is just an epub reader. |
| 19:30.51 | otisolsen70 | jmcnaught, thanks! |
| 19:32.52 | badsektor | joepublic, that prompted me to google the software, in its website it says the guy who develops calibre is called Kovid Goyal. what a name |
| 19:33.31 | badsektor | joepublic, btw, your analogy would be better if you said "libreoffice is just a text editor" |
| 19:33.35 | joepublic | I know, right? First name, last name, jammed together like that. How dare he. Well, nice talkin to you. |
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| 19:33.44 | badsektor | libreoffice can't read epub, can it? |
| 19:34.05 | badsektor | joepublic, why are you stuck up man? what is your problem? |
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| 20:50.28 | yanmaani | My computer is extremely slow, as if it were out of RAM, but I have a full gigabyte free. |
| 20:50.46 | yanmaani | This happens when e.g. /tmp/ is full, but it isn't. Any other things which can do this? |
| 20:51.25 | annadane | have you checked htop/iotop? |
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| 20:54.51 | LaScoumoune_ | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:54.54 | LaScoumoune_ | vmstat -s |
| 20:55.01 | LaScoumoune_ | sudo dmidecode -t 17 |
| 20:55.03 | LaScoumoune_ | free -m |
| 20:55.05 | LaScoumoune_ | df -h |
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| 20:58.49 | velix | Hmm, `apt update` suddenly gives me wired results: `/usr/bin/apt-key: 57: /usr/bin/apt-key: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied` |
| 20:59.31 | velix | `/dev/null` belongs to root. `echo 1 > /dev/null` works. |
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| 21:00.58 | greycat | Is it a character file, or a regular file? |
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| 21:01.10 | greycat | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 May 9 08:04 /dev/null |
| 21:01.21 | greycat | Are the permissions correct (666)? |
| 21:01.48 | greycat | Is there any chance your error message is coming from a process that is chrooted? |
| 21:02.41 | velix | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 23 21:00 /dev/null |
| 21:02.53 | greycat | So, two issues. Wrong type of file, and wrong permissions. |
| 21:03.04 | velix | Interesting. |
| 21:03.29 | velix | let me google, how to fix it |
| 21:03.35 | greycat | The question is, what happened to your /dev/null? Is the whole /dev file system mounted incorrectly? |
| 21:03.49 | velix | greycat: No other problems occured. |
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| 21:04.07 | greycat | are things like /dev/zero correct? |
| 21:04.30 | velix | 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 Jun 14 21:01 /dev/zero |
| 21:04.32 | velix | looks well |
| 21:04.34 | greycat | aye |
| 21:04.39 | velix | greycat: mknod -m 0666 /dev/null c 1 3 ? |
| 21:04.55 | greycat | I haven't had to use mknod in *ages*... you can try |
| 21:05.10 | velix | yeah |
| 21:05.14 | velix | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jun 23 21:05 /dev/null |
| 21:05.25 | velix | let me update |
| 21:05.33 | velix | Works again. Crazy. |
| 21:05.36 | velix | Thanks |
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| 21:06.08 | velix | Hehe, perhaps I was tired and did a "mv x /dev/null"? :D |
| 21:06.34 | velix | Does this work? |
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| 21:08.57 | otisolsen70 | Is it possible to see HEIC images on Debian? If so, what tools do I need? |
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| 21:09.09 | yanmaani | annadane: Yeah, it tells me the memory isn't full. |
| 21:09.57 | yanmaani | LaScoumoune_: 0.5GB of shared and 0.8GB of buff/cache. |
| 21:10.23 | yanmaani | if there are "/tmp/ full" type incidents, which one of these would it count towards? |
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| 21:14.05 | annadane | yanmaani, i'm not sure; someone else might know if you stick around though. btw sorry for the lack of ping before, i need to get used to that when addressing people on irc |
| 21:15.06 | LaScoumoune_ | yanmaani: when you say it's slow, how it's slow ? |
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| 21:16.39 | LaScoumoune_ | htop is a great cmd real time |
| 21:16.54 | LaScoumoune_ | for see if is the process or the memory |
| 21:17.38 | blurkis | I installed debian stable, then upgraded to testing. I havent done much changes besides that. When I run apt-get update/upgrade it seems the upgrades are already downloaded. Not a problem really, just curius.. does debian download upgrades in background? |
| 21:17.49 | yanmaani | LaScoumoune_: The mouse cursor is slow when moving around, things are generally extremely unresponsive. It's stopped now, but I'd like to know what's the cause |
| 21:18.07 | LaScoumoune_ | okkkk |
| 21:18.25 | LaScoumoune_ | and the cmd shell ? |
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| 21:19.38 | LaScoumoune_ | you don't have run a script look that empty a folder ? i say that because i have do that one time |
| 21:20.36 | annadane | blurkis, if you just updated then i don't expect immediate upgrades; one decent way to check is the package-update-indicator package (GUI application) |
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| 21:20.55 | annadane | testing isn't like sid where you'll get updates every day and also it depends how much you installed |
| 21:21.06 | yanmaani | LaScoumoune_: The cmd shell? A script that empties a folder? |
| 21:21.20 | yanmaani | I have a terminal and I can run htop in it and it tells me that I have about a gigabyte free. |
| 21:21.39 | LaScoumoune_ | sorry for my english |
| 21:21.53 | blurkis | annadane: My bad. Sorry. Its Sid im running. By choise. |
| 21:22.16 | blurkis | annadane: I just wondered if it downloads upgrades in the background. Seemd like it. |
| 21:22.28 | annadane | blurkis, i'd probably go ask #debian-next on the oftc network |
| 21:22.35 | annadane | typically it won't download upgrades by default |
| 21:22.53 | annadane | you can check /var/log/apt/history.log though |
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| 21:25.37 | LaScoumoune_ | yanmaani: so that only you're cursor mouse ? |
| 21:26.28 | LaScoumoune_ | if you have %mem & %cpu free and disk free |
| 21:26.54 | LaScoumoune_ | and if it's only the mouse |
| 21:27.12 | LaScoumoune_ | so check you're mouse or the usb connect |
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| 21:37.46 | velix | Can I create a copy-target, which links to /dev/null ? |
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| 21:44.38 | greycat | You can create a symlink to /dev/null. Anything that writes to your symlink will be writing to /dev/null. |
| 21:44.50 | greycat | I don't know what a "copy-target" is. |
| 21:47.09 | velix | greycat: Something like a sink or /dev/null filesystem. |
| 21:47.11 | velix | Oh, let me google this |
| 21:47.28 | velix | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/9332/how-can-i-create-a-dev-null-like-blackhole-directory |
| 21:47.31 | velix | Ha! nullfs in fuse |
| 21:48.39 | jhutchins | yanmaani: Use top, ps ax, and netstat -anp and figure out what every one of those entries is there for. |
| 21:49.40 | jhutchins | velix: Why would you overcomplicate things and not just use /dev/null? |
| 21:49.55 | velix | jhutchins: Because many tools don't support piping on output. |
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| 21:54.28 | yanmaani | LaScoumoune_: No, Everything becomes extremely unresponsive. Mouse, keyboard, everything. Clock doesn't update, and it becomes normal-ish whenever I do alt-sysrq-F to kill a random process. |
| 21:54.41 | yanmaani | If the CPU is maxed out, that doesn't make my system unresponsive. Neither if disk is full. |
| 21:56.33 | velix | urgs, this actually makes no sense: It's VFS on tmpfs?? https://github.com/abbbi/nullfsvfs |
| 21:57.03 | LaScoumoune_ | sorry but fasle, i have make a wrong program one time and that full my disk, all is low, for the cpu too. |
| 21:57.20 | LaScoumoune_ | But that a fresh install you have make ? |
| 21:58.07 | LaScoumoune_ | sometime the better solution is make a back-up and reinstall, but need more info for why that slow |
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| 22:00.01 | LaScoumoune_ | you have make a change before ? and other, for me i use debian since 8years, 3 times that can be slow and i have found the problem very fast, so that strange why is so slow on you're computer. I hop you find fast my friend |
| 22:00.24 | LaScoumoune_ | and my english is not very good so complicated for me to help you :/ |
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| 22:00.56 | LaScoumoune_ | the clock who doesn't update that very warning !!! |
| 22:01.13 | foul_owl | How do I kill a process that won't respond to kill -9? The process is thunar |
| 22:03.39 | rgwu | Did you specify the correct pid? |
| 22:03.47 | foul_owl | Yes |
| 22:03.57 | rgwu | Did you issue the command as root? |
| 22:04.06 | foul_owl | As a normal user and root |
| 22:04.21 | velix | Highly interesting. What's the limiting factor here? Pipe or cat? `pv /dev/zero > /dev/null` = 9.12 GiB/s but `cat /dev/zero | pv > /dev/null` = 2.55 GiB/s |
| 22:05.17 | rgwu | foul_owl: How many instances of Thunar are running? ps aux | grep -i thunar |
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| 22:06.02 | foul_owl | 1 instance |
| 22:06.09 | LaScoumoune_ | if multi instances: killall thunar |
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| 22:06.39 | foul_owl | I believe this is a bug in Linux itself. (Although I'm sure people will say it's not a bug, it's a feature) |
| 22:06.58 | foul_owl | To the average desktop user, it's a bug |
| 22:07.09 | velix | Oh, I'm on #debian not on #linux - sorry. |
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| 22:07.56 | foul_owl | https://www.stev.org/post/linuxwhatandhowtokillazombieprocess |
| 22:08.05 | foul_owl | "Since the program isn't really using any resources it really doesn't cause any issues." |
| 22:08.23 | foul_owl | Except I don't want 30 dead thunar windows floating around my desktop |
| 22:08.55 | LaScoumoune_ | yeaa |
| 22:09.15 | LaScoumoune_ | i have same issue with gnome-file |
| 22:09.31 | foul_owl | And more importantly, trying to launch a new instance of thunar does not work |
| 22:09.44 | LaScoumoune_ | i have try to kill gnome-file, but that was not gnome-file |
| 22:10.07 | foul_owl | So I have to reboot my entire system every time thunar chokes on a bad sd card? That's insane |
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| 22:10.32 | foul_owl | It's simply bad design. Unless there is some secret way to kill the process that I don't know about |
| 22:10.57 | LaScoumoune_ | try to kill the process you have run before you're file manager |
| 22:11.04 | rgwu | foul_owl: You failed to mention you have thunar trying to deal with bad hardware. |
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| 22:11.21 | foul_owl | That's what I've seen happen in the past |
| 22:11.32 | foul_owl | I'm assuming that is what happened now |
| 22:11.43 | foul_owl | All I know is that it's unkillable |
| 22:11.48 | LaScoumoune_ | do that look |
| 22:12.19 | foul_owl | How would I even try to determine that's what the issue is? It's not even possible to know |
| 22:12.25 | LaScoumoune_ | ps -eo pid,ppid,cmd,%mem,%cpu --sort=-%cpu | head |
| 22:12.31 | LaScoumoune_ | ps -eo pid,ppid,cmd,%mem,%cpu --sort=-%mem | head |
| 22:12.32 | rgwu | foul_owl: There's probably a udiskctl command that would sort things out for you, but I don't know what it would be. |
| 22:13.00 | foul_owl | Interesting, thank you! If I know the possible command, I can look it up |
| 22:13.12 | rgwu | np |
| 22:13.34 | foul_owl | I don't know for sure that is the cause |
| 22:13.52 | foul_owl | But it seems like some thing disk io related can make a process unkillable |
| 22:14.03 | LaScoumoune_ | no possible |
| 22:14.14 | LaScoumoune_ | i have a same problem like you |
| 22:14.20 | LaScoumoune_ | and that not you're file manager |
| 22:14.33 | LaScoumoune_ | I have use a shell, my pc have freez in the past |
| 22:14.52 | mzajc | I intend to "switch" from debian to bedrock. are there any caveats I must be aware of? |
| 22:14.55 | rgwu | foul_owl: udisksctl status |
| 22:15.03 | foul_owl | I didn't launch thunar from a shell, I beleive I lauch it on fluxbox init |
| 22:15.13 | foul_owl | (Which might use a shell itself) |
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| 22:16.02 | LaScoumoune_ | Ok folk i do eat, but no put you're arm down ! With debian you can all man |
| 22:16.09 | LaScoumoune_ | with windows you like a jail |
| 22:16.23 | foul_owl | Hmm, that command does not exit, it just hangs |
| 22:17.06 | LaScoumoune_ | look what use all you're memory or cpu for freez you're file manager |
| 22:17.33 | foul_owl | Thank you, I don't see anything hogging any cycles or ram right now |
| 22:18.46 | foul_owl | Looks like the state is "uninterruptible sleep" |
| 22:19.15 | LaScoumoune_ | normaly is you use top or the other commande i have write |
| 22:19.23 | LaScoumoune_ | you do see you're file manager in the top |
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| 22:19.49 | LaScoumoune_ | if not that not you're file manager you do to kill another process |
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| 22:21.44 | LaScoumoune_ | and try to umount you're sdcard correctly |
| 22:22.36 | foul_owl | The parent process is fluxbox, and I'm unable to restart at this time, just as bad as restarting my entire system |
| 22:23.20 | foul_owl | I think the issue is the design of the Linux kernel, being unable to kill a process in the D state |
| 22:23.42 | foul_owl | Thank you everyone |
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