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| 01:35.33 | bunni | Question about debootstrap (or derivatives) for building a Debian rootfs. Is there a way to specify a point in time to install packages from? For example, 5 years from now, can I run a command that I ran today and get the exact same packages and versions installed? If not, is there any easy way of doing this by hosting my own repo mirror? |
| 01:36.21 | tds | bunni - snapshot.debian.org |
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| 01:49.58 | bunni | tds, thanks, thats exactly what I needed |
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| 02:13.39 | lenswipe | hey all |
| 02:13.50 | lenswipe | quick question, I'm trying to write a udev rule to allow me to enumerate USB devices |
| 02:14.23 | lenswipe | so far I have this: SUBSYSTEM=="usb" , ATTRS{idVendor}=="046d" , ATTRS{idProduct}=="082d", TAG+="uaccess" |
| 02:15.07 | uxfi | yo/o#freenode |
| 02:15.18 | lenswipe | that allows me to interact with my webcam over USB, but I still can't enumerate all the cameras attached to my system using uvc-control (npm lib) - I get an error thrown with LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS |
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| 02:15.54 | lenswipe | Google suggests that means that my script doesn't have permission to list usb devices, and indeed if i run my code as root - it works |
| 02:16.02 | lenswipe | ...but I would prefer /not/ to run my code as root |
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| 02:16.41 | sney | maybe add your user to the plugdev group? |
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| 02:17.26 | sney | groups are typically how a normal user can do hardware stuff, so even if it's not that one, it might be a different one |
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| 02:21.36 | lenswipe | sney, done that |
| 02:21.38 | lenswipe | no dice |
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| 02:22.30 | lenswipe | sney, any other ideas? |
| 02:23.02 | sney | not offhand |
| 02:23.05 | lenswipe | :( |
| 02:23.06 | lenswipe | okay, thanks |
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| 02:29.30 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: how are you running your code? Are you logged into an X11/Wayland session, using a terminal emulator? Are you using su/sudo to run it as a different user? |
| 02:32.03 | lenswipe | jmcnaught, "npm run start", Yes, Uh...I think so (gnome-terminal) no (respectively) |
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| 02:33.40 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: If you check "loginctl list-seats" get the seat then "loginctl seat-status <seat>" (tab completion also works). That should list the devices that are associated with that seat. Are all the cameras listed there? |
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| 02:35.19 | lenswipe | SEAT seat0 1 seats listed. |
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| 02:37.41 | lenswipe | jmcnaught, I...uhh....I don't know how to tell you this but, um... |
| 02:37.54 | lenswipe | I just noticed my USB camera was unplugged this whole time. |
| 02:37.59 | sney | lol |
| 02:38.02 | lenswipe | fml |
| 02:38.07 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: problem solved at least. |
| 02:38.12 | lenswipe | actually, not the whole time |
| 02:38.21 | lenswipe | but certainly while i was messing with logintctl etc. |
| 02:38.32 | lenswipe | i only noticed when i ran lsusb and noticed it wasn't there |
| 02:38.47 | lenswipe | the worst part is...I'm on a really small laptop - it's not like it plugs in the back of a tower or anything |
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| 02:56.21 | daniel-s | I have an issue on bulldozer. "python3.7 -m pip install numpy" does not work, but this does: "python3.8 -m pip install numpy" |
| 02:56.29 | daniel-s | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'distutils.util' |
| 02:56.52 | daniel-s | I thought that apt install python3-distutils should work, but it seems that it's only working for the python3.8 install, not 3.7. |
| 02:57.26 | sney | !debian-next |
| 02:57.27 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
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| 03:00.18 | jak2000 | hi friends.... i am newbaby, on docker i installed docker on my mac via brew... i am insterested in this container: https://hub.docker.com/r/kivy/buildozer how to download / install |
| 03:02.51 | bomb | jak2000: does it have anything to do with Debian? |
| 03:03.09 | jak2000 | bomb :) thanks and escuse me |
| 03:04.13 | bomb | jak2000: I'd ask in #kivy #docker #macdev or #ubuntu |
| 03:04.28 | jak2000 | sorry why ubuntu? |
| 03:04.53 | bomb | just to piss them off :P |
| 03:05.21 | jak2000 | bomb send me a beer please... here in mexico, havent beers |
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| 03:06.25 | bomb | Kivy is not good, by the way. you should try Flutter |
| 03:07.41 | jak2000 | like me python... for compile android and ios with flutter can i do this task? |
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| 03:08.15 | bomb | ye |
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| 03:11.42 | jak2000 | thanks |
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| 03:14.18 | daniel-s | sney: OK, thanks |
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| 03:30.09 | jvwjgames | Good evening I am having issues with iptables to allowing my other host on another subnet to talk to me |
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| 03:56.48 | lenswipe | jmcnaught, it appears my celebration was premature |
| 03:57.14 | lenswipe | Some of what I'm doing is working, however, I'm still getting a permissions error from the USB library I'm using |
| 03:57.48 | lenswipe | it integrates with a native C module, which in turn checks to see if EACCES was thrown and transforms that into LIBUSB_ERROR_ACCESS |
| 03:58.47 | lenswipe | this is raised if I try to "open" the USB device |
| 04:02.42 | InnovAnon-Inc | at a glance, try messing with /etc/udev/rules.d https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/72437/how-to-grant-non-root-user-access-to-device-files |
| 04:03.03 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: did you end up seeing the cameras listed by 'loginctl seat-status seat0'? |
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| 04:07.42 | lenswipe | InnovAnon-Inc, done that - I've got a udev rule written |
| 04:07.57 | lenswipe | jmcnaught, yeah, it's there |
| 04:08.56 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: hmmm⦠that should mean that your user has access to it. That's basically logind's job, to grant access to hardware to the active user. |
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| 04:09.56 | lenswipe | i should also say that I can access it with cheese, and I can get a handle to it in my code...i just can't "open" it |
| 04:10.42 | jmcnaught | Okay |
| 04:12.29 | devUY | hi people. looking for help with this error *grub_efi_secure_boot not found* I'm using Rescapp and I don't get the way to fix it... |
| 04:13.36 | devUY | this happens in a fresh buster install |
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| 04:41.46 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: sounds like it's not a permission issue then. |
| 04:42.17 | jmcnaught | lenswipe: I'm not much help with low level stuff like this, but if you haven't already maybe try asking in ##linux. |
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| 04:43.06 | lenswipe | thanks, will do |
| 04:43.10 | lenswipe | im off to bed for tonight |
| 04:43.10 | lenswipe | night |
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| 04:54.05 | velix | jmcnaught: I'm re-building the package without OpenCV support now. I don't know the maintainer, but he seems to be insane ;) |
| 04:54.30 | jmcnaught | Probably just trying to make it useful for the broadest group of people. |
| 04:54.48 | jmcnaught | Is it a matter of saving storage space on an embedded device or something? |
| 04:54.59 | velix | jmcnaught: And that's where I disagree. Most of the OpenCV people do "normal" image stuff, not geospatial image stuff. |
| 04:55.16 | jmcnaught | Is the package unable to do both? |
| 04:56.12 | velix | jmcnaught: Since it's build against gdal, it can do both now, sure. But it doesn't need to. He could have split it up. Making an image library depending on a videolibrary, depending on ffmpeg and geospatial libraries is no good. |
| 04:56.34 | velix | I just wanted to load a JPEG in OpenJDK and have got libmp3 and libffmpeg on my system now :D |
| 04:57.02 | jmcnaught | Are they hurting anything? |
| 04:57.02 | velix | It's not a question of storage, but of style and control over the packages. |
| 04:57.05 | velix | Yep. |
| 04:57.15 | velix | It's a bad design and might contain security flaws. |
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| 05:00.26 | velix | jmcnaught: There was the same problem with libsfcgal depending on libopenscenegraph in the past, which pulled tons of video editing and 3d stuff. It got split after many reports. |
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| 05:03.00 | velix | Yeah, there's the bad boy: https://github.com/OpenImageIO/oiio/blob/master/INSTALL.md |
| 05:03.38 | velix | Since the maintainer activated all plugins, it grabs about anything there is on Debian for video and imagery ;) |
| 05:04.10 | velix | And since OpenCV is build against lots of stuff, it also dependens on it. |
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| 06:54.29 | oskie | ah. found it. /usr/share/openssh/sshd_config |
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| 07:28.30 | StyXman | I'll repost from last night |
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| 07:29.12 | StyXman | how can I get rid of ibus in a kde session without uninstalling it? I'm setting it for us intl w/ dead keys and it's not working... |
| 07:29.38 | StyXman | I can't uninstall it because a 3rd party mispackaged software I need to use depends on it |
| 07:30.20 | sney | you can uninstall it |
| 07:30.22 | sney | !equivs |
| 07:30.22 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
| 07:30.31 | StyXman | ah, hmm |
| 07:31.58 | StyXman | sney: I will probably do that, but the question remains, where is ibus configured, |
| 07:33.10 | StyXman | ah, there |
| 07:33.11 | StyXman | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70im-config_launch |
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| 08:45.44 | gryffus | I am trying to setup an automatic install with preseed with only ssh server installed. I have used "d-i tassel/first multiselect minimal,ssh-server", but it does not seem to work. Xorg still gets installed. How do I tell pressed to install only minimal system with sshd? |
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| 08:49.31 | gryffus | S/tassel/taskskel |
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| 08:58.22 | jmcnaught | gryffus: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server |
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| 09:03.58 | gryffus | Not d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard, ssh-server ? |
| 09:06.40 | gryffus | jmcnaught, I am using this template: https://preseed.debian.net/debian-preseed/buster/amd64-main-full.txt and it reads "# d-i tasksel/first multiselect <choice(s)>" |
| 09:06.48 | gryffus | So is the template wrong? |
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| 10:13.57 | Taniey | how can I download the system app debug symbols on debian? |
| 10:14.39 | Haohmaru | my question remains tho |
| 10:15.13 | InnovAnon-Inc | apt install <system app>-dbg? |
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| 10:15.54 | bomb | I didn't see your question Haohmaru |
| 10:16.01 | Taniey | or how config the apt sources.list for get the debug-symbols? |
| 10:16.57 | Taniey | yes , use the apt <system app>-dbg for install best? |
| 10:17.00 | Haohmaru | !sources.list |
| 10:17.00 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
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| 10:19.31 | petn-randall | Taniey: https://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticDebugPackages |
| 10:19.51 | Taniey | I have set the "deb-src http://mirrors.aliyun.com/debian/ buster-updates main non-free contrib " |
| 10:19.58 | petn-randall | Taniey: There are examples for sources.list entries. You need to pick the line matching your release, though. |
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| 10:20.24 | Taniey | but ,I can`t find the <app>-dbg |
| 10:20.32 | petn-randall | Taniey: That entry you mentioned will allow you to download the source packages, nothing else. |
| 10:20.48 | petn-randall | Taniey: Which package are we talking about? |
| 10:20.50 | InnovAnon-Inc | I don't think you need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/<whatever>. I don't have any, and the *-dbg packages still show up with apt-cache search *-dbg |
| 10:21.15 | Taniey | for example, glib |
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| 10:22.12 | Taniey | I only find the "libsignon-glib-dbg/stable 1.12-2+b11 amd64" |
| 10:22.16 | InnovAnon-Inc | same |
| 10:22.26 | Haohmaru | there might not be debug version of every package btw |
| 10:22.28 | InnovAnon-Inc | docker run innovanon/poodeb sh -c 'apt-cache search glib*-dbg'=> libsignon-glib-dbg - debug files for libsignon-glib |
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| 10:23.33 | petn-randall | Taniey: "glib" is not a Debian package name though, it's split into many different packages. |
| 10:24.33 | Taniey | but ,why I can Install use glib2.0-dev for develop? |
| 10:25.11 | petn-randall | Taniey: development packages and debug packages are different things. |
| 10:25.23 | Haohmaru | bomb he asked this question at #gcc, i said "wot" |
| 10:25.45 | bomb | :) |
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| 10:26.43 | InnovAnon-Inc | how does this do it for you? apt build-dep glib2.0 && apt source glib2.0 && cd glib2.0* && dpkg-buildpackage && dpkg -i ../glib2.0*-dbg* |
| 10:27.02 | brutser | got a laptop with deb10+openbox, after some time of inactivity the laptop goes into sleep mode (i have the lid closed most of the time, so not sure if there is a difference if i leave it open) - how to prevent this sleep mode? |
| 10:27.13 | brutser | laptop lenovo t450s ^ |
| 10:27.25 | bomb | power manager settings |
| 10:27.52 | bomb | sorry, I missed the "openbox" part |
| 10:29.05 | bomb | it's still worth checking if you have installed Xfce or Gnome power manager for some reason |
| 10:29.06 | ratrace | logind.conf then |
| 10:29.26 | bomb | dpkg -l | grep power-manager |
| 10:29.26 | dpkg | ii | grep power-manager 3.6-3 bomb's private porn collection |
| 10:29.38 | bomb | lol |
| 10:29.39 | ratrace | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 10:29.52 | ratrace | !botsnack |
| 10:29.52 | dpkg | ratrace: thanks |
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| 10:33.03 | Haohmaru | wot |
| 10:33.37 | brutser | ratrace: i also find next to logind.conf sleep.conf, there it says allowsleep=yes/no |
| 10:33.48 | brutser | would that also do the trick? |
| 10:34.06 | brutser | or should i first put the setting in logind? |
| 10:34.26 | mi11k1 | brutser, look in ~/.config/openbox |
| 10:34.26 | ratrace | brutser: I don't know what is "sleep.conf", but logind.conf has power management options, in this case things like HandleLidSwitch might help. |
| 10:34.33 | mi11k1 | cat autostart |
| 10:34.49 | mi11k1 | is there something in there relating to xfce power? |
| 10:35.11 | brutser | mi11k1: no, i have no power manager installed |
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| 10:35.27 | mi11k1 | brutser, there is, u just dont kniow it |
| 10:35.46 | brutser | i could do that i guess, but logind.conf as ratrace pointed out will probably solve it |
| 10:36.24 | mi11k1 | whichever, it could be a screensaver daeemon too |
| 10:36.52 | mi11k1 | open a terminal and type xfc and hit tab a bunch of times |
| 10:38.00 | brutser | hitting tab until the end of time |
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| 10:39.23 | mi11k1 | did it show xfce-powermanager or whatever? |
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| 10:39.42 | mi11k1 | xfce4-power-manager-settings |
| 10:40.34 | mi11k1 | the thing with openbox is the menu doesnt really update. theres a package to do this, but mostly if u run openbox, its custom |
| 10:41.11 | brutser | yes i know about that, it's just not installed, i could do that to give myself some more easier power option settings in the future, but in general i don't need power setting package, so i might try ratrace's suggestion first |
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| 10:41.41 | mi11k1 | brutser, might be something in bios too |
| 10:41.50 | Taniey | <InnovAnon-Inc> ,tip me install some pkgs, Is it download source for build from source ? |
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| 11:03.18 | Taniey | petn-randall: I set the "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug/ buster-debug main non-free contrib" to sources.list ,and apt update ,but not have I wanted. |
| 11:03.45 | Taniey | I use " buster " |
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| 11:09.09 | nlpqda | Where to find/read recent notifications which appeared on stretch/gnome debian? |
| 11:09.51 | nlpqda | appeared/disappeared before reading it |
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| 11:12.12 | jim | I think I got 4 cores |
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| 11:17.46 | jim | is it possible to have all the sound stuff running in one core, and everything else in another? |
| 11:18.34 | oerheks | htop |
| 11:18.54 | jim | (problem I'm trying to solve, is it looks like other stuff running with the sound stuff, seems to be taking cycles |
| 11:20.14 | ratrace | jim: you can run lspcu and look at the CPU(s) line, to see how many cores are registered. as for whether they're all running, they should be unless there's a hardware issue or something. you can run a cpu intensive task and observe in (h)top how many are in use. cpu% above 100% means more than one core is in use, eg for 4 cores utilized to max, it'd show 400% |
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| 11:21.41 | jim | CPU(s): 4 |
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| 11:23.56 | ratrace | jim: now you can use something like `stress` or `sysbench` packages, to stress test all 4 cores, or any other multithreaded/parallel load |
| 11:24.49 | jim | htop shows that all four cores are active... I'm making a pastebin of something, one sec |
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| 11:26.37 | jim | this is some of the output from lscpu, take a look: https://termbin.com/ztd1 |
| 11:27.52 | jim | correct me if I'm wrong, but does that show that the cpu is being clocked at a rate 1/10th of the max? |
| 11:28.01 | jim | approx :) |
| 11:28.27 | ratrace | it looks like it. doesn't mean the number is correct... OR you have some hardware failure there |
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| 11:30.33 | ratrace | jim: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq those are in kHz I think |
| 11:31.08 | ratrace | right .. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/user-guide.txt |
| 11:31.29 | jim | ok, hmm. let's see what the mfgr says about that |
| 11:31.49 | ratrace | the what? |
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| 11:33.16 | jim | manufacturer... maybe they can say whether it's their default or something along those lines |
| 11:33.54 | jim | https://termbin.com/9r1r # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
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| 11:35.28 | ratrace | jim: what does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq say and also /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor ? |
| 11:35.51 | ratrace | you can also pick just one, eg. cpu0 .. I don't think those values may change per core |
| 11:35.52 | jim | you want to see a cat of those? |
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| 11:36.15 | ratrace | yes, cat pics pls :) |
| 11:36.40 | untakenstupidnic | libc6-dbg has broken dependencies, in buster repos. |
| 11:36.43 | jim | sec |
| 11:36.57 | Haohmaru | cat pics are the building blocks of teh internetz |
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| 11:38.12 | untakenstupidnic | it depends on an older version of libc6, where you have updated it. my faith in debian stable is lost (-_Q) |
| 11:38.38 | untakenstupidnic | also valgrind is broken because of that |
| 11:38.41 | ratrace | Haohmaru: word |
| 11:39.00 | ratrace | too bad there's so much cat abuse in the linux world |
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| 11:39.15 | Haohmaru | cat eggsploitation |
| 11:39.27 | Haohmaru | commandline h4x0rz |
| 11:39.51 | ratrace | cat <file> | grep <what> instead of grep <what> <file> . much abuse, so catsploitation. |
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| 11:41.38 | Haohmaru | i think even greycat does it |
| 11:42.03 | Haohmaru | cruel world |
| 11:42.05 | ratrace | well, he's grey. elder cats are known to abuse younger ones. |
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| 11:42.58 | jim | https://termbin.com/y71c here's that stuff, with some header stuff to make it a little easier to see which is what |
| 11:44.20 | ratrace | jim: and what cpu is that? |
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| 11:57.02 | jim | I tuess it's all four |
| 11:57.06 | jim | guess |
| 11:58.35 | jim | I did that like this: (echo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq ; echo -----; echo -----; cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq; echo; echo; echo; echo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor ; echo -----; echo -----; cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor) | nc termbin.com 9999 |
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| 12:02.35 | ksk | yeah, did not read too much of backlog but its per core on linux as far as I know.. |
| 12:04.28 | jim | let me see if I can wake it up, and run the same thing again, to see if it's any different |
| 12:04.41 | ratrace | ksk: problem is powersave pstate registering 300MHz while the minimum is supposed to be 800MHz |
| 12:04.57 | ratrace | jim: so what cpu is that? |
| 12:05.22 | ratrace | also echo cat ! cat abuse! |
| 12:06.35 | ksk | "lscpu | grep "Model name" |
| 12:06.47 | jim | oh, didn't you know? I have an echo cat |
| 12:07.21 | jim | ksk, you mean which cpu is it? |
| 12:07.50 | ratrace | jim: yes I mean which cpu is it... full lscpu output pls |
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| 12:08.29 | jim | oh ok, just a sec |
| 12:08.52 | jim | I can't get it out of powersave mode |
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| 12:09.09 | ratrace | powersave pstate governor is okay |
| 12:09.59 | jim | https://termbin.com/ne7c # lscpu in its entirety |
| 12:10.11 | ratrace | unlike cpufreq utils "powersave" profile, the pstate WILL ramp up to max MHz . I don't know if it'll turbo, though, if your cpu can even do it |
| 12:10.59 | ratrace | jim: right, so either there's a bug in the governor, or there's a hw failure |
| 12:12.43 | ksk | Not that laptops offer too many option, but did you try resetting the BIOS? Does the thing run fine in BIOS/Windows? |
| 12:12.45 | jim | is this gopverner -in- the cpu? |
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| 12:13.09 | ratrace | jim: it's a kernel module |
| 12:13.24 | jim | ksk, windows is totally -gone- from that machine |
| 12:13.36 | ratrace | I think it's the "intel_pstate" driver/module |
| 12:13.36 | jim | oh ok |
| 12:13.57 | jim | so it's outside the cpu |
| 12:14.26 | ksk | I know from my AMD desktop that I could (mis)configure the BIOS in such a way the CPU will stay at the lowest available frequency. |
| 12:15.21 | jim | so if that's the case, can I control how the cpu operates from some of the kernel modules? |
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| 12:15.39 | jim | for example |
| 12:15.57 | jim | can I find out what other states exist other than powersave? |
| 12:16.41 | ratrace | jim: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/pm/intel_pstate.html |
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| 12:17.06 | ratrace | jim: btw... just in case, please confirm that /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_driver says intel_pstate |
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| 12:18.25 | ratrace | in which case you really only have two governors, powerformance and powersave . you do want to keep it on powersave by default. |
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| 12:19.39 | jim | ratrace, confirmed |
| 12:20.39 | ratrace | jim: and other than those numbers is the system behaving weird in any way? |
| 12:22.05 | jim | no, well, the original reason I'm doing this is because the audio gets "choppy" and doesn't sync up to where it's expected to be |
| 12:22.20 | ratrace | jim: in what context? |
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| 12:26.56 | jim | I'm doing some piano lessons from skoove.com... they involve having the midi from the keyboard controlling something that must be running locally... I have jack running, and these choppynesses sound like they could be jack xruns |
| 12:27.22 | jim | other than that, nothing is really wrong, it seems like a solid machine |
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| 12:28.10 | ratrace | well jack and DSP in general requires a bit more latent kernel, by default debian ain't it. maybe there's some buffer somewhre you can adjust though, but I woulnd't know where to even begin looking for one. |
| 12:28.32 | ratrace | uhm... "more latent" I mean... more latency oriented one |
| 12:29.31 | jim | you mean like an rt kernel? |
| 12:30.06 | ratrace | maybe RT is actually not needed, but what I was thinkn of is a 1000HZ kernel (debian is 250Hz by default) and maybe even involuntary pre-emption enabled |
| 12:31.29 | jim | is involuntary preemption pretty crashy these days? |
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| 12:32.12 | ratrace | when I was testing it for gaming, I didn't notice it being crashy, but that was few years ago (hint: didn't improve gaming significantly) |
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| 12:32.58 | jim | also, is this 250hz/1000hz the rate at which it checks to see whether it should voluntarily become preempted? |
| 12:33.04 | ratrace | but DSP often works with tiny buffers to reduce audio latency (which is different from kernel latency), and with such small buffers the _kernel_ latency plays a role in stability/choppiness of that audio |
| 12:33.29 | ratrace | jim: among other things, yes I think so |
| 12:33.32 | Haohmaru | audio and linux? |
| 12:33.36 | Haohmaru | deploys an ear |
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| 12:33.43 | ratrace | Haohmaru: yes if properly tuned :) |
| 12:33.56 | ratrace | I'd also remove Pulseaudio in favor of pure jack+alsa |
| 12:34.04 | jim | I'm pretty sure I'm out of tune |
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| 12:34.31 | Haohmaru | audio (music) is the one major thing left that keeps me tied to crapdows :/ |
| 12:34.57 | jim | the way I run jack: configure it to get the interface directly, then: stop pulse, start jack, start pulse |
| 12:36.39 | jim | so really, pulse is running through jack to get to the alsa devices |
| 12:38.29 | jim | I can't really trust linux with the audio yet |
| 12:39.28 | jim | but maybe if tuning provides a good result |
| 12:40.19 | ratrace | many audio enthusiasts use gentoo for that reason, as they can more easily tune it for best performance. |
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| 12:41.07 | herol3oy | hi. anyone has any clue why my laptop speakers don't show here in kazam? https://pasteboard.co/JasFaLk.png (when I record screen, there's no sound in the recorded video!!) |
| 12:41.13 | Haohmaru | but i want to stick to debian :/ |
| 12:41.42 | jim | so do I |
| 12:42.01 | jim | I'm not ready to spend a day compilin stuff |
| 12:42.18 | Haohmaru | is there a way to adjust the 250Hz thing? |
| 12:42.25 | Haohmaru | or is it like.. hardcoded |
| 12:43.30 | Haohmaru | i know there are some linuxes that are supposedly said to be "oriented to music/audio" but they look foggy and obscure |
| 12:44.04 | Haohmaru | crapbuntu studio is probably the least obscure one, but it's based on crap..buntu |
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| 12:46.24 | jim | I've built the cadence packages for debian, and installed them... but the dependencies were not set properly in the metadata of the package, and so an apt autoremove screwed things up royally, and I had to reinstall debian |
| 12:47.18 | jim | I wasn't ready to go down a forensics rabbit hole either |
| 12:47.19 | Haohmaru | cadence? |
| 12:47.23 | Haohmaru | was that some EDA? |
| 12:47.39 | jim | what's a eda? |
| 12:49.13 | Haohmaru | maybe not then |
| 12:49.22 | ratrace | Haohmaru: I don't know if you can change CONFIG_HZ via kernel command line, but if not, a recompilation is in order |
| 12:49.34 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 12:50.19 | jim | because I don't know what EDA is, I cannot answer your question, at least not in a reasonable way where I'm not guessing every or every other point |
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| 12:52.01 | jim | all rightey then :) no response. moving on... |
| 12:52.02 | Haohmaru | electronics design CAD |
| 12:52.28 | Haohmaru | but i think that cadence thing was payware so it won't be in debian ;P~ |
| 12:53.24 | jim | no, the reason it's not in debian, is that the authors cannot be bothered to author the packages correctly, so they fail as described above |
| 12:54.27 | jim | cadence isn't payware... it's just something where you can configure jack, and it tries to start jack in a way the coexists and cooperates with pulseaudio |
| 12:55.04 | jim | s/in a way the/in a way that it/ |
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| 12:57.45 | sgo11 | hi, do anyone use cmus music player? Is that possible to re-order tracks in a playlist? thanks a lot. |
| 12:58.27 | jim | someone here helped me with a way to get jack to coexist with pulse in another way, so I didn't need pulse anymore] |
| 12:58.32 | Haohmaru | jim obviously it's not the thing i thought, i thought about the EDA |
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| 12:58.41 | jim | err I didn't need cadence anymore |
| 12:58.42 | Haohmaru | so, ignore it |
| 12:58.51 | jim | ok |
| 12:59.27 | Haohmaru | sgo11 no idea, did you try to drag them with the mouse? |
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| 13:01.14 | sgo11 | Haohmaru: sorry, that is a command line music player. no mouse support... |
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| 13:01.25 | Haohmaru | aww |
| 13:01.53 | Haohmaru | then maybe some fancy hotkeys, who knows |
| 13:02.06 | ratrace | sgo11: I use it daily and you wouldn't believe, I still didn't learn all the shortcuts and have to revert to googling for simplest tasks lol |
| 13:02.23 | Haohmaru | command line h4x0rz ^ |
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| 13:03.09 | ratrace | Haohmaru: also no fancy-schmancy thumbnailing GUI plyer that would happily execute windows malware because I happen to have wine installed.... *glares at gnome* |
| 13:03.23 | ratrace | apparmor'ed cmus ftw. |
| 13:03.38 | Haohmaru | eeewww, wine |
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| 13:03.46 | sgo11 | ratrace: do you know if it's possible to re-order the tracks in a playlist? I think it might be impossible. I can't find a way. |
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| 13:04.10 | Haohmaru | i don't listen to music on my linux PC much, but when i did, i used lmms i think |
| 13:04.24 | Haohmaru | or something that could be set up to look roughly like old winamp |
| 13:04.54 | Haohmaru | bullsh*t, i meant xmms |
| 13:04.57 | ratrace | sgo11: second result on google, right under YOUR stackoverflow question about the same, lol.... http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/cmus.1.html#playlist%20editing |
| 13:05.03 | Haohmaru | but i think it has a different name now in debian10 |
| 13:05.24 | ratrace | Haohmaru: I used to use mpv, but that was too spartan even for ME :) |
| 13:05.59 | metbsd | i wish i could get my monitor to work |
| 13:06.04 | metbsd | dell u2415 hdmi |
| 13:06.16 | ratrace | and look at this, it's the same thing as `man cmus`. wow! |
| 13:06.52 | metbsd | debian is like, if it works it works, or it'll never work |
| 13:07.25 | ratrace | don't say that. I couldn't boot debian until I installed nvidia-driver proprietary. |
| 13:07.39 | ratrace | literally, couldn't boot, something something nouveau would panic the kernel. |
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| 13:07.47 | metbsd | how do you install your nvidia driver |
| 13:08.08 | ratrace | chroot |
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| 13:08.28 | metbsd | i have one intel 915 one nvidia 1050 |
| 13:08.28 | ratrace | even the text mode was affected, had to chroot. |
| 13:08.38 | metbsd | which driver |
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| 13:09.51 | sgo11 | ratrace: thank you very much. I did search manpage and read it. I miss that part.. |
| 13:10.12 | ratrace | miss or missed? which debian or cmus version? |
| 13:10.44 | sgo11 | ratrace: I mean I miss-read. make sense? sorry about my English. |
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| 13:12.09 | metbsd | is there a way to get this external monitor to work? it's a common dell u2415 |
| 13:12.15 | ratrace | sgo11: ah ok, I thought oyu meant that part was missing in your cmus manpage |
| 13:12.52 | ratrace | metbsd: I'd start by going through Xorg.0.log to see if it's (EE)rroring on something |
| 13:13.02 | ratrace | also dmesg, journalctl -k -p err to start it off. |
| 13:13.19 | sgo11 | ratrace: maybe miss-read is not the correct word too. I missed reading? I think you understand me now. Thanks. :) |
| 13:13.33 | ratrace | sgo11: yea |
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| 13:14.19 | metbsd | i plugin hdmi port, xorg log shows nothing |
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| 13:15.21 | ratrace | metbsd: sure it's correct port? onboard gpu and nvidia gpu would have different ports. |
| 13:15.56 | metbsd | laptop lenovo y530 |
| 13:15.59 | metbsd | [ 2072.812] (EE) event10 - SYNA2B46:00 06CB:CD5F Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded. |
| 13:16.10 | metbsd | there's a kernel bug too |
| 13:16.22 | ratrace | though that's about the touchpad |
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| 13:18.50 | metbsd | debian doesn't detect external monitor at all |
| 13:19.36 | ratrace | metbsd: again, are you 100% sure you're using the correct port |
| 13:20.40 | metbsd | i only have one hdmi port |
| 13:20.48 | metbsd | samething works in windows 10 |
| 13:20.50 | ratrace | metbsd: which belongs to what gpu? |
| 13:21.02 | metbsd | i have no idea. it's laptop |
| 13:21.06 | ratrace | if it belongs to one and your xorg is using the other, that ain't gonna work |
| 13:21.10 | metbsd | how do i check? |
| 13:21.27 | ratrace | oh so that optimus thingy? yeah that's.... not something I have experience with and I hear it's buggy... |
| 13:21.32 | metbsd | how do i check which graphic card does hdmi belong to? |
| 13:24.53 | metbsd | i need to give up and go back to windows? |
| 13:27.28 | ratrace | I woulnd't know sorry. |
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| 13:39.31 | untakenstupidnic | libc6-dbg has broken dependencies, in buster repos.it depends on an older version of libc6, where you have updated it. also valgrind is broken because of that |
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| 13:44.27 | ratrace | untakenstupidnic: did you file a bug report? |
| 13:44.39 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Yesterday I came here with a USB drive that would not mount due to mount's inability to read the superblock. While running ddrescue, I did other things and didn't come back to this after ddrescue was finished. Now that I have the file from ddrescue, what do I do with it to see what is inside of it?. |
| 13:45.10 | untakenstupidnic | no |
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| 13:51.22 | InnovAnon-Inc | looks like: https://askubuntu.com/questions/194962/mounting-ddrescue-image-after-recovery-in-over-my-head |
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| 13:53.36 | srte | is there a way to figure out what a kernel parameter will be after booting? (something not set via sysctl in any way) |
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| 13:55.10 | Lady_Aleena | InnovAnon-Inc, my fsck doesn't have -y. |
| 13:56.01 | Lady_Aleena | Maybe it does... |
| 13:56.25 | ratrace | srte: it's probably somewhere in /proc/sys/ |
| 13:56.32 | ratrace | what param? |
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| 13:57.16 | ratrace | actually /sys/module/... |
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| 13:57.23 | srte | @ratrace true, but I would like to know before booting the actual kernel, even magic from the source, checking the kernel config and so on |
| 13:57.28 | Lady_Aleena | When I try to run sudo fsck -y, I get the help. |
| 13:57.56 | ratrace | srte: oh I don't know. so may be set during boot by module init... what param? |
| 13:59.00 | Lady_Aleena | When I run fsck without options, I get the help screen. |
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| 13:59.50 | Lady_Aleena | I am running `sudo fsck my_backup2.img` |
| 14:01.23 | srte | @ratrace randomize_va_space |
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| 14:11.29 | Lady_Aleena | I guess my fsck is broken, because no matter what I do, all I get is help. |
| 14:12.02 | srte | @ratrace i was doing some reading and this page has some good details on what I was looking for : https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/protection.html |
| 14:12.08 | pwnd_nsfw` | What were some of the "what I do" that you've done? |
| 14:13.54 | ratrace | srte: yes, just keep in mind all those can be patched by distros |
| 14:14.20 | srte | @ratrace yes, sure :) |
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| 14:21.25 | Lady_Aleena | pwnd_nsfw`, who was that to? |
| 14:21.34 | Haohmaru | u |
| 14:22.40 | Lady_Aleena | So far, I've tried running the command. All it gives me is help. No errors or warnings. |
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| 14:24.38 | pwnd_nsfw` | lol |
| 14:24.45 | pwnd_nsfw` | It's asking for some parameters, is my guess |
| 14:25.31 | Lady_Aleena | This is what `sudo fsck -y my_backup2.img` returns: http://paste.debian.net/1149377/ |
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| 14:26.48 | pwnd_nsfw` | -y isn't correct? |
| 14:26.57 | Haohmaru | maybe it wants params, this -y thing seems pretty "meh" on its own |
| 14:27.00 | Lady_Aleena | And the answer to the question InnovAnon-Inc linked me to has fsck being used with just -y. |
| 14:27.06 | Haohmaru | what are you trying to do with this .img? |
| 14:27.18 | Lady_Aleena | Haohmaru, get into it to see a file. |
| 14:27.25 | pwnd_nsfw` | https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/fsck.8.html |
| 14:27.33 | pwnd_nsfw` | find isn't pulling up -y |
| 14:28.28 | Haohmaru | well this says fsck.ext4.. if it matters |
| 14:29.10 | pwnd_nsfw` | It did matter lol |
| 14:29.25 | pwnd_nsfw` | Assume an answer of 'yes' to all questions; allows e2fsck to be used non-interactively. This option may not be specified at the same time as the -n or -p options. |
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| 14:30.25 | Lady_Aleena | And it looks like fsck can't be run without any options specified either. |
| 14:30.34 | pwnd_nsfw` | well of course |
| 14:31.14 | InnovAnon-Inc | maybe try mounting the .img file with -o loopback? |
| 14:31.38 | InnovAnon-Inc | https://chrisdown.name/2011/06/01/fsck-partitions-inside-an-image.html |
| 14:31.39 | Haohmaru | the thing also talks about a "device" |
| 14:31.45 | pwnd_nsfw` | or 7zip |
| 14:31.54 | pwnd_nsfw` | 7zip will allow you to easily decompress it |
| 14:31.57 | pwnd_nsfw` | extract* |
| 14:32.03 | cdown | Man, I barely even remember writing that. YMMV ;-) |
| 14:32.28 | Lady_Aleena | Let's go back to the beginning...(I will repost what I said a little bit ago.) |
| 14:32.40 | Lady_Aleena | Yesterday I came here with a USB drive that would not mount due to mount's inability to read the superblock. While running ddrescue, I did other things and didn't come back to this after ddrescue was finished. Now that I have the file from ddrescue, what do I do with it to see what is inside of it? |
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| 14:33.09 | pwnd_nsfw` | 7zip |
| 14:33.24 | pwnd_nsfw` | https://packages.debian.org/sid/p7zip-full |
| 14:33.33 | Lady_Aleena | The file created by ddrescue is a zip file? |
| 14:33.44 | pwnd_nsfw` | 7zip handles many types of archives |
| 14:33.53 | Lady_Aleena | What about Ark? |
| 14:33.54 | pwnd_nsfw` | zip, 7z, jar, rar, etc |
| 14:34.04 | pwnd_nsfw` | oh idk, give it a roll. I'm farily new to linux |
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| 14:34.10 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: If it's really the whole drive, and not a filesystem, you can try (g)fdisk or similar. From there you can then mount the filesystems inside using a loop device. |
| 14:34.21 | cdown | pwnd_nsfw`: A disk image is not an archive. |
| 14:34.30 | pwnd_nsfw` | Thank you |
| 14:35.03 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: You probably want to either make a copy, or mount with rw so that you don't end up writing back to the image file you generated. |
| 14:35.05 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, I used ddrescue on sdd1 not just sdd. |
| 14:35.09 | cdown | Er, mount with ro. |
| 14:35.17 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: Ok, then to find out what's inside, you can use `file` :-) |
| 14:35.36 | Haohmaru | sdd would contain sdd1 |
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| 14:35.42 | Lady_Aleena | sdd1-rescue: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x0+2, OEM-ID " ", sectors/cluster 64, reserved sectors 10, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/track 63, heads 255, hidden sectors 32, sectors 125031648 (volumes > 32 MB), FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 15259, reserved 0x1, serial number 0x388fe392, label: "my_backup " |
| 14:36.04 | cdown | So it's a FAT volume, named "my_backup". |
| 14:36.15 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, it looks that way. |
| 14:36.34 | cdown | You can mount it with `mount -o loop,ro sdd1-rescue /some/mountpoint` |
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| 14:36.45 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please. |
| 14:38.07 | Lady_Aleena | mount: /home/me/rescue: can't read superblock on /dev/loop0. |
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| 14:38.46 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
| 14:38.55 | cdown | Either it's corrupted, or you don't have FAT support in your kernel (or you don't have mount.vfat). |
| 14:39.31 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, what do I have to install to get FAT support? |
| 14:39.38 | jmcnaught | Try mounting loopback with an offset like InnovAnon-Inc suggested. |
| 14:39.42 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: In any sane kernel, you should have it. |
| 14:40.01 | cdown | jmcnaught: To be clear, he's linking to my blog, but that only applies if you actually have a partition table. |
| 14:40.04 | Lady_Aleena | I just used `sudo mount -o loop,ro sdd1-rescue rescue/` |
| 14:40.20 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: What does `grep -c vfat /proc/filesystems` say? |
| 14:40.35 | Lady_Aleena | 1 |
| 14:40.35 | cdown | or `zgrep FAT_FS /proc/config.gz`? |
| 14:40.40 | cdown | Ok, it's available, then |
| 14:40.45 | miskatonic | why do exotic filesystems require kernel support? |
| 14:40.53 | cdown | So you're probably missing the userspace tools |
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| 14:41.36 | imMute | miskatonic: because all filesystems require kernel support? |
| 14:42.08 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: Ok, it's probably actually banjaxed, then. |
| 14:42.25 | cdown | I don't think you should need any special userspace component to mount this. |
| 14:42.31 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, so ever after ddrescue, I am screwed? |
| 14:42.49 | cdown | ddrescue is about correcting block-level or device-level issues. It can't fix a broken filesystem. |
| 14:43.05 | cdown | For that you need something that actually understands and can fsck FAT. |
| 14:43.17 | cdown | There is fsck.fat, but who knows how well tested it is. |
| 14:43.54 | cdown | Out of curiosity, what does `fdisk -l sdd1-rescue` say? |
| 14:44.12 | cdown | I'd be surprised if there's a partition table at sdd1, but it's possible, I suppose... |
| 14:44.19 | Lady_Aleena | bash: fdisk: command not found |
| 14:44.29 | cdown | I suppose you need to install it, then :-) |
| 14:44.56 | Lady_Aleena | With sudo... fdisk: cannot open sdd1-rescue: No such file or directory |
| 14:45.07 | Lady_Aleena | Hold please, wrong dir. |
| 14:45.31 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1149388/ |
| 14:45.34 | cdown | Oh, it's the Debian sbin $PATH stuff again. /me forgot that after not using Debian for many years... |
| 14:46.31 | cdown | It's a bit weird that file claims "DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x0+2", but maybe FAT filesystems just have that at the beginning anyway... |
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| 14:46.52 | cdown | In which case, I think your best option is to make a copy and run fsck.vfat. |
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| 14:47.54 | Lady_Aleena | Is it just `sudo fsck.vfat -y sdd1-rescue` |
| 14:48.15 | cdown | You don't need sudo |
| 14:48.22 | cdown | You own the file, there's no reason you should need to elevate |
| 14:48.53 | Lady_Aleena | fsck.vfat command not found |
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| 14:48.57 | cdown | Looking at `fsck.vfat --help`, something like `fsck.vfat -v -y -w -r -t yourfile` |
| 14:49.04 | cdown | Sure, so you need to install it ;-) |
| 14:49.20 | Lady_Aleena | I needed sudu. |
| 14:49.24 | cdown | But I highly recommend running it on a copy, since it's entirely possible it will banjax things further. |
| 14:49.24 | Lady_Aleena | sudo... |
| 14:49.29 | cdown | You don't need sudo. |
| 14:49.34 | cdown | You just have the wrong $PATH./ |
| 14:49.42 | cdown | /sbin/fsck.vfat should be fine. |
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| 14:49.52 | cdown | (Disclaimer: I don't have a Debian system to actually test on.) |
| 14:49.57 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, I just ran it with sudo... |
| 14:50.02 | cdown | Well, that's fine. You can leave it be. |
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| 14:50.23 | cdown | If this doesn't work, I've exhausted my ability to spelunk :-) |
| 14:50.30 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1149391/ |
| 14:50.40 | cdown | "Both FATs appear to be corrupt. Giving up." |
| 14:50.44 | cdown | Yeah, you're banjaxed I'm afraid. |
| 14:50.57 | cdown | You have no valid file allocation table to provide some kind of help. |
| 14:51.15 | cdown | My condolences. |
| 14:51.17 | Lady_Aleena | !@#$ |
| 14:51.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, @#$ is the trigraph for "I'm really annoyed" |
| 14:51.33 | Lady_Aleena | !!@#$ |
| 14:51.35 | InnovAnon-Inc | time for afflib... I mean it's successor... ewflib? |
| 14:51.59 | InnovAnon-Inc | hope you're comfortable with digital forensics. you might be able to recover some sh*t |
| 14:52.32 | Lady_Aleena | InnovAnon-Inc, the thing is I just want to recover 1 teeny-tiny text file from it. |
| 14:53.12 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: Do you know some words in it? |
| 14:53.28 | cdown | You might try `strings sdd1-rescue | grep -F 'some text'` |
| 14:53.29 | Lady_Aleena | Yes. |
| 14:54.40 | cdown | If that finds something, then you can look around the same position and maybe find the rest of the file, since it's probably smaller than the smallest allocation size. |
| 14:57.50 | Lady_Aleena | What is the grep regex to get the line after too? |
| 14:58.12 | metbsd | debian doesn't love me anymore |
| 14:58.17 | ratrace | Lady_Aleena: -A option for grep |
| 14:58.21 | metbsd | external monitor refuses to work |
| 14:58.23 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: Sounds like maybe you're having some luck? You want -A |
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| 15:01.12 | Lady_Aleena | Instead of -F? |
| 15:02.33 | Lady_Aleena | Here is the regex that should be the whole file (just don't ask about the text): 'House Mnemosyniod.+Phorceto' |
| 15:02.37 | ratrace | Lady_Aleena: grep is basically displaying lines where a pattern appears (unless -o ). so with -A and -B you're showing that many lines after or before (respectively) the lines with pattern |
| 15:02.57 | Lady_Aleena | So, -A needs a number? |
| 15:03.05 | cdown | I'm about to head into a meeting, but if this works and you need to find the location that it was found at, you can try `strings -t` |
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| 15:05.18 | InnovAnon-Inc | yes: grep -A <n> displays <n> lines after the matched pattern. Therre's also -B and -C (both -A and -B) |
| 15:05.41 | Lady_Aleena | I got the data I was looking for! THANK YOU ALL!!!!! |
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| 15:06.49 | InnovAnon-Inc | simson g's file forensic utils would make life easier if you are having trouble recovering lost data from a dd image. |
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| 15:12.57 | Lady_Aleena | InnovAnon-Inc, I got the whole file I was looking for, so I am happier now. |
| 15:13.14 | Haohmaru | <party.gif> |
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| 15:16.05 | InnovAnon-Inc | good riddance, then. he's an a-hole anyways. but his tools are legit. |
| 15:17.07 | annadane | ...who? |
| 15:17.14 | Lady_Aleena | I am going to take a risk. My usb drive is 64 GB, and I don't want to just toss it. Now that I have this image of it that I can use if ever needed again, I would like to "reformat" it so that I can use it again. So, where do I read the steps to get this USB up and running for new backups? |
| 15:17.19 | InnovAnon-Inc | simon g, filesystem forensics expert |
| 15:18.05 | Lady_Aleena | Dump the FAT, and use whatever Debian uses. |
| 15:18.17 | annadane | oh right i see context now |
| 15:18.24 | greycat | Any regular partitioning tool. gparted, parted, fdisk, etc. |
| 15:18.55 | greycat | Once partitions are created the way you want, mkfs.whatever. mkfs.ext4 for ext4, and so on. |
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| 15:20.15 | CoolerZ | how do you install this? https://github.com/warner/magic-wormhole |
| 15:20.18 | CoolerZ | on Debian 9 |
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| 15:20.51 | annadane | it's a zip, did you download it and unzip it and read any readme's? |
| 15:21.18 | CoolerZ | annadane, no it's not a zip |
| 15:21.31 | CoolerZ | it is a git repo |
| 15:21.39 | CoolerZ | and it says "Magic Wormhole packages are included in many operating systems." |
| 15:21.51 | annadane | if you click at the top right, "clone or download", it says "download zip" |
| 15:21.59 | annadane | that is how you download github stuff |
| 15:22.07 | annadane | unless you want to clone the repo for specific reasons |
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| 15:22.29 | annadane | the readme will probably include a list of dependencies you need to install and then tell you how it's compiled |
| 15:23.08 | greycat | Did you try clicking on "Debian stable" in the little chart? It leads to https://repology.org/project/magic-wormhole/versions |
| 15:23.09 | Lady_Aleena | SOB *head desks* I forgot the root password, so I can't use the GUI GParted. |
| 15:23.22 | greycat | !ifrp |
| 15:23.22 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 15:23.42 | annadane | well, there you go, you can also just read what's on the page |
| 15:23.58 | greycat | ,info magic-wormhole |
| 15:24.00 | judd | Package magic-wormhole (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: Securely and simply transfer data between computers. Version: 0.11.2-1; Size: 139.8k; Installed: 608k; Homepage: https://github.com/warner/magic-wormhole |
| 15:24.36 | greycat | The /versions page just tells us the Debian package name. Another approach would have been "apt search magic wormhole" or similar. |
| 15:25.12 | CoolerZ | greycat, and then what? |
| 15:25.16 | CoolerZ | it says 0.9.1 |
| 15:25.20 | CoolerZ | is that Debian 9? |
| 15:25.27 | d0 | https://magic-wormhole.readthedocs.io/en/latest/welcome.html#installation |
| 15:26.17 | greycat | ,v magic-wormhole |
| 15:26.18 | judd | Package: magic-wormhole on amd64 -- stretch: 0.9.1-1; bullseye: 0.11.2-1; buster: 0.11.2-1; sid: 0.11.2-1 |
| 15:26.20 | Lady_Aleena | How do I get the root password? |
| 15:26.26 | annadane | debian oldstable, that is, not debian stable |
| 15:26.29 | annadane | it has a debian oldstable link |
| 15:26.31 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: you don't. But you can *set* a new one. |
| 15:26.47 | greycat | dpkg, literal ifrp |
| 15:26.47 | dpkg | "ifrp" is "<reply>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt." |
| 15:27.05 | greycat | oh, I thought it would be a redirect telling what IFRP stands for. |
| 15:27.16 | greycat | dpkg literal i forgot root's password |
| 15:27.16 | dpkg | "i forgot root's password" is "<reply>see ifrp" |
| 15:27.26 | greycat | turns out the redirect is the full name :-/ |
| 15:28.35 | Lady_Aleena | Or just run gparted from the command line with sudo. |
| 15:29.01 | dvs | Lady_Aleena, why do you need the root password if you can run sudo? |
| 15:29.39 | greycat | if you can sudo, you can set the root password MUCH more easily than all that grub stuff. just sudo passwd root |
| 15:29.41 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, when I run gparted from alt-f2 in the DE/WM, it asks for the root password. |
| 15:30.47 | annadane | ,v magic-wormhole |
| 15:30.49 | judd | Package: magic-wormhole on amd64 -- stretch: 0.9.1-1; bullseye: 0.11.2-1; buster: 0.11.2-1; sid: 0.11.2-1 |
| 15:30.56 | annadane | CoolerZ, just install it with apt |
| 15:31.04 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, sudo is one of the very first things I set up when I installed Debian Wheezy. |
| 15:31.07 | CoolerZ | yeah I installed it |
| 15:31.20 | CoolerZ | apt-get all the way down |
| 15:31.26 | annadane | boo hiss |
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| 15:32.10 | rccc | hello |
| 15:32.17 | dvs | yo~ |
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| 15:32.41 | rccc | i am using debian 10, hostname is diogene |
| 15:32.46 | annadane | FWIW you only have like 2 more months of full debian 9 support |
| 15:32.52 | annadane | start thinking about an upgrade |
| 15:33.47 | rccc | in a browser "diogene.local" give me the web app i want |
| 15:34.04 | greycat | localhost would probably also work... |
| 15:34.11 | rccc | but i want to access this web app with this domain : my.app |
| 15:34.19 | Lady_Aleena | So, is there a channel for hand-holding while I run gparted? |
| 15:34.33 | rccc | so i put 127.0.0.1 my.app in /etc/hosts but there no effect |
| 15:34.44 | greycat | rccc: do you *own* that domain name, and are you looking to make this application available to OTHER people around the world? |
| 15:35.22 | rccc | greycat: yes i own the hostname, it is a web app for internal network only ! |
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| 15:35.43 | greycat | So you want the application to be available to other machines on your local network? |
| 15:35.57 | rccc | greycat : yes |
| 15:36.21 | greycat | Then those OTHER MACHINES are the ones that need the addition to /etc/hosts. Or fix your DNS server so that it serves up the IP address correctly for this domain name that you claim to own. |
| 15:36.24 | rccc | but i do not want them to type "diogene.local" to acces it but "my.app" |
| 15:36.31 | rccc | *access |
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| 15:37.16 | Lady_Aleena | With gparted, I see 1 partition on sdd. Do I need to create a new partition or just format the partition that is there? |
| 15:37.44 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: if you don't care about CHANGING the number/size of the partitions, you can just exit out of gparted entirely, and simply proceed with the mkfs step. |
| 15:37.59 | greycat | (assuming it's not mounted) |
| 15:38.00 | rccc | from my own machine (not our local server), i already modify the /etc/hosts but this not works |
| 15:38.10 | greycat | rccc: Then those OTHER MACHINES are the ones that need the addition to /etc/hosts. Or fix your DNS server so that it serves up the IP address correctly for this domain name that you claim to own. |
| 15:38.12 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, 1 partition is all I need on backup drives. |
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| 15:38.53 | rccc | greycat: many thanks for your response, how i can configure the local DNS, from my internet router ? |
| 15:38.54 | greycat | (and of course you do not use 127.0.0.1 on those other machines -- you use your LAN IP address) |
| 15:38.59 | greycat | ... |
| 15:39.06 | greycat | YOU SAID YOU OWN THIS DOMAIN ANME |
| 15:39.11 | rccc | greycat: i have already did this |
| 15:39.11 | greycat | SO FIX DNS *WORLDWIDE*( |
| 15:39.28 | greycat | I know I'm being lied to. And I'm already screaming in all caps. *plonk* |
| 15:40.14 | greycat | I should have just /ignored as soon as it became clear that "my.app" was a placeholder for the actual domain name, which was about 5 seconds into the trainwreck. |
| 15:40.45 | greycat | I wonder how *many* lies I was being told. At least one (the domain name). Probably another (ownership of the domain name). |
| 15:40.48 | annadane | !tea greycat |
| 15:40.48 | dpkg | hands greycat a nice hot bone china cup of tea with sugar. |
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| 15:41.34 | InnovAnon-Inc | oh man... Imma make some tea now |
| 15:41.39 | rccc | from my computer i can access the locl server app via "diogene.local", this is ok |
| 15:41.45 | Lady_Aleena | OMG! mkfs is complex. |
| 15:42.07 | rccc | i put the 192.168.1.127 my.app on my computer |
| 15:42.15 | greycat | you can probably just do "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdwhatever1" and be happy |
| 15:42.27 | rccc | but this not work, maybe i should restart my PC |
| 15:42.53 | annadane | InnovAnon-Inc, way ahead of you |
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| 15:43.35 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, thank you. I looked at man mkfs that sent me to mkfs.ext4 for the fs-options, and there are just so many options in mkfs.ext4. |
| 15:44.23 | rccc | i was thinking i can access my app with 'diogene.local' or 'my.app' from both the local server and my PC |
| 15:44.41 | rccc | by i cannot do this even from the local server |
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| 15:45.09 | InnovAnon-Inc | you don't need mkfs.ext4 options unless you know a lot about the kind of files that will be stored on the partiton. |
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| 15:46.18 | Lady_Aleena | InnovAnon-Inc, files from $HOME (some configs, text based files, a few spreadsheets, lots of pictures, music, a handful of videos, etc.) |
| 15:46.44 | InnovAnon-Inc | you don't need mkfs.ext4 options. |
| 15:46.44 | Lady_Aleena | Various flavors of XML (HTML, SVG, etc). |
| 15:47.09 | Lady_Aleena | Okeydokey, so `mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd1` it is. 8) |
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| 15:47.55 | InnovAnon-Inc | leave the settings alone. You'll just slow down the FS. if, for example, you know that only very small or very large files will be on the FS, then sure, play with the settings. Otherwise, don't mess with them. They're pretty decent as they are |
| 15:47.56 | Lady_Aleena | What if I want a label? |
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| 15:48.07 | InnovAnon-Inc | yeah, that's find |
| 15:48.09 | InnovAnon-Inc | *fine |
| 15:48.15 | greycat | on a USB stick? there's no need. |
| 15:48.45 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, awww. |
| 15:48.50 | greycat | but sure, you can. |
| 15:49.51 | Lady_Aleena | is hoping she doesn't screw this up. |
| 15:49.57 | tinga | Can I still put files to /etc/init.d and link to /etc/rcS.d/? What do I need to be aware of? |
| 15:50.10 | tinga | (Still haven't learned how systemd works.) |
| 15:50.18 | greycat | At this point, you would be doing yourself a HUGE favor if you spent 10 minutes learning systemd instead. |
| 15:50.23 | rccc | greycat: thanks for help, but don't blame me misunderstanding, i said my app was for local use only ! |
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| 15:50.43 | tinga | greycat, how do I learn systemd in 10 minutes? |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | a good intro page is https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services |
| 15:51.11 | InnovAnon-Inc | a label won't hurt anything. but the other settings are for if you know what you're doing. specifically, if you've got files/applications that need to be faster. you can experiment with different file systems and their parameters to get better performance. this will require benchmarking. you're just trying to recover data, so you don't need to mess with any settings. |
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| 15:55.07 | cdown | Lady_Aleena: Just got back. Really glad you got the data back! |
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| 15:55.33 | Lady_Aleena | cdown, me too. 8) |
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| 16:04.44 | wr | if i install keepassxc on https://packages.debian.org/sid/keepassxc will it work on buster ok? |
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| 16:06.42 | jmcnaught | wr: it's not designed to work that way, Debian releases aren't meant to be mixed. You can definitely end up with problems including a partial upgrade to sid. If you absolutely need the version in sid then you could try to backport it from the source package. |
| 16:06.59 | ratrace | !ssb |
| 16:06.59 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:07.34 | LtL | ,v keepassxc |
| 16:07.35 | judd | Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1; sid: 2.5.4+dfsg.1-1 |
| 16:07.54 | wr | jmcnaught, so they need to update the buster on keepassxc 2.5.4 |
| 16:08.09 | jmcnaught | wr: another option is to install keepassxc as a flatpak which does not interfere with apt/dpkg at all (and can be used as a regular user if other users don't need it.) |
| 16:08.17 | wr | https://packages.debian.org/buster/keepassxc :( |
| 16:08.35 | ratrace | wr: I use keepassxc on buster. what features are there on the newer versions that buster is lacking? |
| 16:08.53 | jmcnaught | wr: Debian doesn't work that way, the versions don't change for packages in Debian stable releases, only security fixes get backported with few exceptions. |
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| 16:09.03 | annadane | ,checkbackport keepassxc |
| 16:09.04 | wr | ratrace, there are some more options because i seen it on a windows |
| 16:09.04 | judd | Backporting package keepassxc in sidâbuster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12). |
| 16:09.17 | annadane | do you *need* those "more options"? |
| 16:09.34 | annadane | !xy problem |
| 16:09.34 | dpkg | Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:09.41 | ratrace | wr: so which ones of them do you need? |
| 16:09.54 | wr | ratrace, all :) |
| 16:10.04 | ratrace | this sounds like !sns :) |
| 16:10.46 | wr | jmcnaught, https://keepassxc.org/download/ what option can i use besides the apt? |
| 16:11.30 | wr | AppImage? flatpak, i never got to those |
| 16:12.14 | wr | ratrace, there is the source code, that i wanna avoid, if you know what i mean :/ |
| 16:12.23 | ratrace | no, sorry, I don't. |
| 16:12.25 | jmcnaught | wr: I like flatpaks but apparently keepassxc devs have made it available as AppImage or snap so you could try either of those if you don't want to try Flatpak. I don't know how to use them though, but someone else will. |
| 16:12.48 | annadane | as a general rule, i'd probably recommend avoiding snaps |
| 16:12.57 | wr | jmcnaught, i will use whatever is easier and doesn't require more packages and setups |
| 16:13.07 | wr | annadane, yes i hate snap too |
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| 16:16.00 | annadane | ,v keepassxc |
| 16:16.01 | judd | Package: keepassxc on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3.4+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 2.4.3+dfsg.1-1+b1; sid: 2.5.4+dfsg.1-1 |
| 16:16.08 | annadane | oh well, not in backports. |
| 16:17.21 | jmcnaught | wr: another idea: use the version in buster for a week and see if it works well enough for you. |
| 16:18.45 | wr | jmcnaught, i use it for years already |
| 16:18.59 | ratrace | not good enough, the version number is too low! |
| 16:19.41 | ratrace | I think you'll maybe feel better in the "btw, I use Archlinux" camp. you get updates so fast, before the upstream devs have released them! :) |
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| 16:21.04 | annadane | if you tell us what you think you're missing maybe we can help you... |
| 16:21.14 | annadane | otherwise use an appimage or something |
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| 16:22.33 | annadane | !sns |
| 16:22.33 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 16:24.34 | annadane | you can use specific new things, but for a password manager you... probably don't need new |
| 16:24.48 | annadane | if you're going to use something new make sure you're not mixing releases or using too many third party repositories |
| 16:24.58 | annadane | and/or conflicting dependencies |
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| 16:28.00 | badsektor | any help with new SSD installation? created partition, made filesystem, mounted in /home but only root can write to it, how to fix? |
| 16:28.24 | petn-randall | badsektor: You'll need to create directories that are owned by the respective user. |
| 16:28.30 | greycat | The directories that you create inside /home should usually be chown'ed to their respective users. |
| 16:29.28 | greycat | If you already *had* a /home directory on the first disk, then you'll usually want to rsync that onto the new disk. Doing this (correctly) will carry over the ownerships and permissions of the original files. |
| 16:29.59 | badsektor | petn-randall, i created a dir in my /home as my user. but when the SSD is mounted there it becomes owned by root with drwx------ |
| 16:30.21 | greycat | after mounting the new /home file system, do "chown whoever /home/whatever" to fix it. |
| 16:31.28 | badsektor | yeah that fixes it, but do i do that after every reboot? i added the line in fstab |
| 16:31.32 | greycat | waits for the punchline. I'm betting on "but chown doesn't work, says operation not permitted" ... "what do you mean, I can't use NTFS" |
| 16:31.46 | greycat | No, you only have to do it one time. |
| 16:31.55 | badsektor | cool thanks |
| 16:37.42 | wr | !sns |
| 16:37.42 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 16:39.12 | ratrace | serious, serious disorder. |
| 16:39.28 | wr | annadane, if this SNS exists, then everybody has it, i update my systems |
| 16:39.44 | annadane | rolls eyes |
| 16:39.46 | annadane | you do you |
| 16:40.03 | greycat | No, not everyone has it. Just people who come from Arch, or Gentoo, or whatever the ricers use these days. |
| 16:40.08 | annadane | do note if you use testing/sid then you're responsible for dealing with any breakage |
| 16:40.18 | annadane | thank you in advance for filing bug reports |
| 16:40.26 | wr | greycat, 2.5.4 is out on the site |
| 16:40.41 | annadane | then compile the source code, i'm sure it's not too har |
| 16:40.41 | annadane | d |
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| 16:41.19 | annadane | you still haven't said why you need a newer version than the one in debian |
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| 16:41.35 | ratrace | wr: jokes aside and really in all seriousness, if you need fresh software because it's published on upstream, debian is not for you. |
| 16:41.46 | wr | annadane, i said it yes, it has the new features |
| 16:42.20 | annadane | is this where i plonk? |
| 16:42.38 | greycat | If there is ONE specific application that you need a newer version of, look for a backport. If there is no backport, remove the Debian package of it, and install upstream's version. |
| 16:42.43 | jmcnaught | "Which features?" "New ones." "What are the new feautures?" "They're new." |
| 16:42.44 | wr | annadane, if you see 2.3.4 and 2.5.4 you will the news extra things on menus |
| 16:42.53 | wr | ratrace, no joke |
| 16:42.57 | annadane | yeah,what jmcnaught said |
| 16:42.58 | greycat | If you need newer versions of EVERY FUCKING THING because THE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER, do not use Debian. |
| 16:43.34 | wr | greycat, that is not the point, https://packages.debian.org/sid/keepassxc sid has it |
| 16:43.42 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:43.47 | greycat | annadane: yes. It is. |
| 16:43.54 | annadane | wr, |
| 16:43.55 | wr | https://packages.debian.org/buster/keepassxc buster :( |
| 16:43.55 | annadane | !frankendebian |
| 16:43.57 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall> |
| 16:43.59 | ratrace | I'm a gentoo ricer, as greycat puts its... but I value debian for its stability and rejection of SNS just because it's shiny new. if I want shiny, I run gentoo chroots on my debians, best of both worlds. |
| 16:44.07 | ratrace | puts it* |
| 16:44.32 | annadane | why not tell us what SPECIFIC features you need from the newer version |
| 16:44.59 | wr | ratrace, this software is stable as a rock, i don't know what Debian thinks of it, but i'm sure is ok |
| 16:45.03 | annadane | and why that makes it better somehow |
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| 16:45.28 | annadane | i do engage in a bit of sns, with the upstream wine, but at least i know the difference and what version chasing is |
| 16:46.03 | annadane | for a password manager you probably don't need new features unless it's like "sync with my google account" or something |
| 16:46.04 | wr | Maintainers for keepassxc are Julian Andres Klode <jak@debian.org>, this sir is ding great job |
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| 16:46.11 | wr | *doing |
| 16:46.20 | greycat | wine is indeed something where upstream version-chasing might be beneficial, as it's a rapidly moving target |
| 16:46.28 | ratrace | wr: debian puts money where its mouth is and doesn't take upstream's word for it. it tests, retests, stabilizies, and puts into next release where it stays put with a loose promise of getting security and bug fixes. |
| 16:46.37 | annadane | (and firefox) |
| 16:46.59 | ratrace | greycat: chrome too because backporting that mess would be ridiculous |
| 16:47.03 | ratrace | chromium* |
| 16:47.36 | greycat | well, I use google's package of google-chrome-stable |
| 16:48.01 | greycat | Debian has a special policy for firefox and chromium because they're so incredibly shit. |
| 16:48.08 | wr | ratrace, i never had a crash on keepassxc or anything inside it on all my machines, and i had things on xfce for example |
| 16:48.12 | greycat | And sadly, so incredibly indispensable. |
| 16:48.22 | abff | webshit gonna shit |
| 16:48.58 | annadane | wr, with all due respect you have no idea what you're talking about, please learn the culture |
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| 16:50.47 | wr | annadane, i use debian for a few years.... |
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| 16:51.02 | ratrace | wr: of those are debian machines, then you're just proving the point of no-sns :) |
| 16:51.05 | ratrace | *if |
| 16:51.42 | wr | ratrace, i have 5 machines on Debian and one is Kali |
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| 16:53.35 | wr | annadane, https://keepassxc.org/blog/2020-04-09-2.5.4-released/ the changelog |
| 16:53.48 | petn-randall | admits to have suffered from SNS as a newb. |
| 16:54.37 | wr | i use 2.3.4 |
| 16:54.45 | abff | petn-randall: sorry not sorry? |
| 16:55.06 | petn-randall | abff: I learned a lot in process. :) |
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| 16:55.22 | wr | i never had SNS |
| 16:55.26 | annadane | ................. |
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| 16:55.30 | annadane | YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW |
| 16:55.37 | wr | because i don't update this in months |
| 16:55.40 | petn-randall | dpkg: lart wr |
| 16:55.40 | dpkg | throws wr's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 16:55.54 | abff | annadane: I've installed kali ultimate hacker linux on my main desktop just to prove you wrong |
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| 16:56.15 | annadane | pay all your passwords be hacked and easily guessed |
| 16:56.21 | annadane | may* |
| 16:56.24 | petn-randall | Congrats, I guess? |
| 16:56.29 | abff | draws a cross in the air |
| 16:56.33 | wr | this is passwords software yes |
| 16:56.44 | annadane | wr!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 16:57.14 | petn-randall | wr: So, do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 16:57.45 | abff | I do! |
| 16:58.00 | petn-randall | abff: Go ahead! |
| 16:58.05 | abff | :D |
| 16:58.32 | abff | baby's first lvm, I can't mount an LV because it reports as a bad superblock |
| 16:58.58 | greycat | did you create a file system inside it? |
| 16:59.09 | abff | I made sure to "activate" the VG and I've tried to use e2fsck -b to recover the super block but its not working |
| 16:59.26 | abff | greycat: yeah I did, I had it mounted and I transfered a bunch of stuff into it a while ago |
| 17:00.22 | abff | something about a magic number, the pv is inside a luks crypt, that I opened with cryptsetup |
| 17:01.51 | petn-randall | abff: Wait, how is the layering? PV | VG | LV | LUKS | ext4? |
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| 17:02.09 | abff | luks > pv > vg > lv > ext4 |
| 17:02.16 | abff | there's only one of each |
| 17:02.23 | abff | although the lv doesn't take up the entire vg |
| 17:02.41 | abff | but the pv does use the entire disk |
| 17:03.32 | petn-randall | abff: And the luks container successfully opened, and `lvs` is listing the correct LV in question? |
| 17:03.34 | wr | petn-randall, see the date of 2.3.4, the 2.5.4 is april 9, so that SNS quote is crap, i know debian tests things, but saying this is a syndrome when something is out months ago... |
| 17:03.43 | abff | petn-randall: correct! |
| 17:03.55 | petn-randall | wr: You don't know what you're talking about. |
| 17:04.03 | wr | i do |
| 17:04.07 | abff | /dev/vg/lv and /dev/mapper/vg-lv both appear in the file system |
| 17:04.23 | petn-randall | wr: Feel the room, man. |
| 17:05.36 | abff | I think at this point it has nothing to do with lvm, and I just need to repair the fs |
| 17:05.52 | ratrace | wr: debian doesn't upgrade packages to new upstream releases, except in rare cases, for the lifetime of a release. and those rare cases are only those that the secteam has blesses as either "there's no alternative" or "the bump is benign enough, no new features" ... you want new features, which is especially the reason why it'll never get bumped for a release |
| 17:05.54 | wr | the phrase i would expect is just they probably are still testing... not saying that i have syndrome joke when something is many months https://keepassxc.org/blog/2018-08-23-2.3.4-released/ |
| 17:06.14 | wr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.27 | petn-randall | abff: Can you share the full output of mount the fs in question, and also fsck <filesystem>? â https://paste.debian.net |
| 17:06.35 | petn-randall | wr: Try to keep the noise down in here please. |
| 17:06.41 | ratrace | wr: it'll never get into buster. maybe buster-backports, but so far it's apparently impossible due to dependencies |
| 17:06.49 | abff | petn-randall: absolutely, give me a moment |
| 17:07.03 | wr | i get all those parts |
| 17:07.27 | wr | not <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 17:08.15 | petn-randall | wr: Have you tried reading up on those points? |
| 17:08.29 | wr | i will end that topic here |
| 17:09.53 | wr | just that since i have 2.3.4 and that is Aug 2018 Shiny New Shit Syndrome my ass.... |
| 17:10.30 | ratrace | but 2.3.4 is not SNS. 2.5.4 is. |
| 17:10.40 | avu | wr: the definition of "new" here is not "less than x months old" but "newer than the version in stable" |
| 17:11.20 | ratrace | indeed. shiny as in "it hasn't grown a patina due to extensive testing". :) |
| 17:11.40 | abff | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/1149421/ |
| 17:11.46 | wr | ratrace, i know it has to be tested |
| 17:12.01 | ratrace | wr: and it IS being, in sid |
| 17:12.14 | ratrace | you'll just never see it in Stable because of the promise for packages in Stable. |
| 17:12.30 | avu | you'll see it in stable, just not in buster :P |
| 17:12.31 | petn-randall | abff: It seems to be a clone of another block device. How did you clone it? |
| 17:12.33 | abff | petn-randall: I haven't tried -all- of the block locations with e2fs -b, I only tried the first 2 |
| 17:12.39 | abff | oh I just named it that |
| 17:12.43 | abff | I haven't cloned anything yet |
| 17:12.44 | ratrace | NO version bumps for new features. only bugfixes, security fixes, unless package is special and approved by secteam, like chromium |
| 17:13.04 | ratrace | avu: well yes... next-stable :) |
| 17:13.08 | abff | petn-randall: my intention was to use this to rclone my home directory since it's running in an ssd |
| 17:13.17 | abff | but I already dumped an old home in there |
| 17:13.37 | petn-randall | abff: I don't know what happened here that the filesystem is broken. Maybe you overwrote it somehow? |
| 17:13.58 | petn-randall | abff: If you're 100% sure that nothing like that happened, I'd begin to suspect hw failure. |
| 17:14.05 | abff | petn-randall: it |
| 17:14.07 | abff | 's brand new |
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| 17:14.30 | petn-randall | abff: And you had it mounted before? |
| 17:15.09 | abff | when I created it |
| 17:15.41 | abff | I made sure to unmount and close the crypt before shutting down too |
| 17:15.49 | abff | I haven't opened it since |
| 17:16.25 | abff | I can try to run hdsentinel to check for any SMART problems? |
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| 17:18.31 | petn-randall | abff: I'm thinking you might have closed it in the wrong order, but even then it shouldn't result in a broken superblock. |
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| 17:19.12 | abff | yeah :\ |
| 17:19.32 | abff | do you know a reliable tool to try and recover it? or am I going tohave to learn things |
| 17:19.47 | petn-randall | abff: If in doubt, recreate the filsystem, and log the exact commands you ran + output. That will make debugging a lot easier. |
| 17:20.03 | abff | that won't clobber the data? |
| 17:20.06 | petn-randall | abff: You could try testdisk to recover any filesystems in existence. |
| 17:20.40 | abff | on it |
| 17:20.46 | abff | thanks for confirming I'm not crazy |
| 17:21.08 | petn-randall | abff: Not really. If it's a SSD you can erase the blocks with blkdiscard(8). |
| 17:21.32 | abff | it's a hard drive I bought to backup the ssd |
| 17:21.57 | petn-randall | Ah, ok. You *can* overwrite that LV with all zeroes, but it shouldn't make a difference. |
| 17:22.03 | Lady_Aleena | If a device (in this case a USB drive) doesn't show up in mount, it is safe to unplug it, right? |
| 17:22.13 | abff | and store encrypted backups of my phone and what not |
| 17:22.30 | abff | Lady_Aleena: it /etc/mtab ? |
| 17:22.44 | dvs | abff, the mount command |
| 17:23.03 | abff | oh neato I didn't know it did that |
| 17:23.12 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: Some devices need to be eject'ed first, to give HDDs time to spin down the platters. But for everything else it should be safe. |
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| 17:23.54 | Lady_Aleena | petn-randall, I think I did that, and /dev/sdd1 doesn't show up in mount, so I think it is unmounted. |
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| 17:24.14 | petn-randall | Lady_Aleena: `eject /dev/sdd` should confirm it. |
| 17:24.48 | Lady_Aleena | Okeydokey |
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| 17:25.18 | Lady_Aleena | Now I have to go through and clean up the mess that is my $HOME. |
| 17:25.39 | annadane | no! keep everything. put it in a museum |
| 17:25.55 | Lady_Aleena | Like I have .adobe/ in $HOME, and I don't think I have Flash Player installed. |
| 17:26.36 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, I have archives (zip, rar, etc) that have files that are also not in archives. |
| 17:26.46 | annadane | EVERYTHING. |
| 17:27.05 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, even fubar configs? |
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| 17:29.02 | abff | lp `tree ~/` |
| 17:29.45 | greycat | that is absolutely not going to work, unless you have an incredibly anal ~ |
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| 17:30.21 | greycat | assuming I can guess what "tree" does, since it's not installed here |
| 17:30.26 | abff | tree ~/ | lp <_< |
| 17:30.33 | abff | idk if you can pipe to lp |
| 17:30.57 | greycat | that one will print the output of tree onto paper |
| 17:31.08 | abff | oh perfect |
| 17:31.14 | abff | the frame it |
| 17:31.16 | greycat | but I assumed that tree generates filenames, and that you wanted to print the *contents* of those files, not thei rnames |
| 17:31.17 | abff | and put it in a museum |
| 17:31.55 | abff | ah no, it just outputs the directories as text |
| 17:31.58 | abff | and the files within it |
| 17:32.03 | abff | but not their contents |
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| 17:32.31 | greycat | so you *wanted* to print the names only? then your piped version is fine. |
| 17:32.49 | abff | its like a pretty printed version of du |
| 17:34.53 | miskatonic | what museum? the toy story museum? |
| 17:35.24 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, I have a finite amount of storage, so I have to make sure that I am not putting duplicates into storage, taking up more space. |
| 17:35.40 | annadane | i was just kidding, i kind of thought that was obvious |
| 17:35.54 | Lady_Aleena | annadane, hmm... 8) |
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| 17:37.13 | Lady_Aleena | I do wish that all programs put their configs in ~/.config and their other stuff in ~/.local/share. |
| 17:37.25 | abff | what about legacy programs that don't use .config? |
| 17:37.43 | miskatonic | such as .profile |
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| 17:38.37 | Lady_Aleena | Dia and Gramps don't put their configs in .config, which irks me a tad. |
| 17:39.18 | abff | smells a fire |
| 17:39.24 | Lady_Aleena | .audacity-data might belong in .local/share/audacity, things like that. |
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| 17:40.46 | Lady_Aleena | And good GUH! I have ~/.adobe/Flash_Player and ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player, and I do not know if I have flash player installed anymore. |
| 17:42.03 | greycat | check the timestamps and remove whichever one's older |
| 17:42.22 | miskatonic | maybe they are symlinked? |
| 17:42.47 | abff | do you guys remember n? |
| 17:42.50 | abff | that game was sick |
| 17:42.53 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, they have the same last modified date. |
| 17:44.15 | Lady_Aleena | What program give me a list of everything I have installed that I can search? |
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| 17:46.16 | dvs | Lady_Aleena, dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 17:47.08 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, that looks like it requires me to know the exact package name. |
| 17:47.24 | greycat | it literally does not |
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| 17:48.19 | miskatonic | if the flashplayer is installed from the webbrowser, will dpkg even know? |
| 17:48.31 | NetTerminalGene | abff, what game is it. is it free software? |
| 17:48.38 | NetTerminalGene | i am looking for games |
| 17:48.39 | abff | NetTerminalGene: it was a flash game |
| 17:48.44 | NetTerminalGene | :/ |
| 17:48.47 | abff | it was not free software |
| 17:48.57 | abff | they made a sequel I think and released it on steam |
| 17:49.06 | annadane | #debian-offtopic might be a better place for this |
| 17:49.10 | invis | is there a debian image without desktop like "debian-minimal.iso" I can't find one |
| 17:49.36 | greycat | are you talking about a *live*? because you can't possibly be talking about the installer, netinst is too obvious and well-known... |
| 17:49.38 | annadane | just don't select a desktop in the installer |
| 17:49.41 | NetTerminalGene | invis, default installer has no desktop |
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| 17:50.12 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I just tried `dpkg --get-selections flash` and it returned nothing. I tried `dpkg -l | grep 'flash'` and it returned "ii flashplugin-nonfree" and "ii pepperflashplugin-nonfree". |
| 17:50.22 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: jesus. christ. on a stick. |
| 17:50.28 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:50.32 | greycat | NO ARGUMENTS beyond taht. |
| 17:50.36 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, what did I do wrong this time? |
| 17:50.48 | invis | netinst say CD images, is it for usb too? |
| 17:50.53 | abff | try dpkg --get-selections | egrep flash |
| 17:50.54 | greycat | invis: yes |
| 17:51.21 | invis | coming from arch to debian I am excited to try this |
| 17:51.54 | abff | arch was fun |
| 17:52.02 | invis | yep |
| 17:52.13 | abff | prepare to be disappointed with the rate at which things are updated |
| 17:52.20 | invis | heh |
| 17:52.28 | greycat | Debian is all about being safe and boring, rather than "fun". |
| 17:52.32 | abff | but the debian team is way better |
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| 18:07.23 | mateusfg7 | hi |
| 18:08.02 | sney | hi |
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| 18:21.43 | Lady_Aleena | Fine, I'll purge the flashplayer plugins and be done with it. |
| 18:22.04 | greycat | Good riddance! |
| 18:23.56 | Lady_Aleena | And I saw this when I purged "Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.systemd1.UnitMasked: Unit -.mount is masked." |
| 18:25.23 | greycat | hard to imagine how that would be related to removing a flash plugin package -- more likely a coincidence |
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| 18:26.41 | Lady_Aleena | It appeared at the end of the purge for both flashplugin-nonfree and pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:28.04 | Lady_Aleena | And my web search says it might have something to do with gparted, but I am not running gparted right now. |
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| 18:32.58 | Lady_Aleena | It is appearing in more places when I use apt. |
| 18:33.34 | jmcnaught | That message would alarm me because -.mount represents the root filesystem. What does "systemctl status -- -.mount" say? |
| 18:34.15 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/1149430/ |
| 18:34.58 | greycat | Yeah, yours is masked for some reason... that's not normal. |
| 18:35.56 | Lady_Aleena | Give me a couple of minutes. I want to try something. |
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| 18:37.30 | greycat | you're also missing the Docs: lines which probably means you're running jessie or older... |
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| 18:38.49 | jmcnaught | She left. If she rebooted I hope it comes back up, I don't know how or why one would mask -.mount, or what the side effects would be. |
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| 18:41.28 | greycat | my first guess is that it'll fail to cleanly unmount / at shutdown time, so it'll force an fsck at boot time, but I could be way wrong |
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| 18:42.08 | miskatonic | hasn't adobe discontinued linux versions for flash-player at the time of Jessie? |
| 18:42.50 | greycat | I updated flash plugin just a few weeks ago. (fuck you too, Kronos) |
| 18:43.26 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 wooledg voice 16648168 Apr 24 16:46 .mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
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| 18:50.33 | Lady_Aleena | I rebooted and the error is gone. |
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| 18:58.20 | Lady_Aleena | From the pages I read on the web, it looks like gparted had something to do with the error I was getting. The only way to get rid of it was rebooting. My current "systemctl status -- -.mount" is http://paste.debian.net/1149434/ |
| 18:58.56 | greycat | ... did you even *try* something normal like "systemctl unmask -- -.mount" before rebooting? |
| 19:00.07 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I did not know about it, and what I was reading on the web didn't have that option. The pages I read only spoke of rebooting. |
| 19:01.09 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:01.24 | greycat | I bet the pages also had the word "ubuntu" on them. |
| 19:01.25 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry to disappoint, but I went by what I read elsewhere. |
| 19:01.32 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, some did. |
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| 19:02.18 | greycat | that would explain a lot |
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| 19:02.51 | Lady_Aleena | I was trying to be better and do some research on my own, but it looks like my research was bad again. |
| 19:04.49 | Lady_Aleena | I know nothing about systemctl except what I am told to do with it here. |
| 19:05.11 | greycat | then start by reading "man systemctl" |
| 19:05.25 | abff | oh joy |
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| 19:16.24 | Lady_Aleena | Where is the systemctl man glossary? |
| 19:16.47 | miskatonic | what glossary? |
| 19:18.16 | Lady_Aleena | miskatonic, exactly. I am guessing on what things are when reading the man for systemctl. |
| 19:18.52 | miskatonic | the glossary is here, and it is called greycat |
| 19:19.16 | greycat | You don't necessarily have to understand every single thing on the first read-through. The important part is to understand the basic concepts, and the basic subcommands, like the fact that "mask" and "unmask" both exist, and are things that you should know about. |
| 19:19.38 | greycat | there are literally hundreds of separate systemd man pages, so whatever you're asking about is probably explained in some other page. |
| 19:20.10 | greycat | unicorn:~$ dpkg -L systemd | grep -c /man |
| 19:20.10 | greycat | 212 |
| 19:21.36 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I am currently reading what I "unit type" is. |
| 19:22.18 | miskatonic | I would trash systemd if it weren't the only way to startx without root permissions, as was still possible in Jessie |
| 19:22.47 | Lady_Aleena | s/I/a/; |
| 19:23.57 | n_1-c_k | miskatonic, odd, I run startx as non-root without trouble, am I doing something clever without realising? |
| 19:26.03 | miskatonic | n.*k probably |
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| 19:32.15 | greycat | startx without being root has always worked in Debian, before and after systemd. What chanted in stretch(?) was that you no longer need X to be setuid root. |
| 19:32.18 | greycat | changed* |
| 19:32.49 | greycat | !xorg.0.log |
| 19:32.49 | dpkg | Xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless you are on stretch-or-later and running X as non-root. Then it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/ instead. |
| 19:32.54 | greycat | yes, stretch. |
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| 19:36.13 | Lady_Aleena | chipped a fingernail. |
| 19:36.43 | greycat | blame it on systemd! |
| 19:37.20 | Lady_Aleena | I wish I could, but I was trying to figure out where some chirping was coming from. |
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| 19:40.19 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, can I get a half-point, at least, for trying to research a solution for the problem on my own? |
| 19:40.58 | greycat | I suppose technically you *did* correct the issue, even if it's not the way we would have recommended. |
| 19:41.05 | annadane | systemd-chippedfingernail.service |
| 19:42.07 | miskatonic | that should give LA two points |
| 19:42.11 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I read several pages on the topic not just one. |
| 19:42.37 | Lady_Aleena | s/read/skimmed/; |
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| 19:49.17 | Lady_Aleena | And the top search result for the error says "If a full restart doesn't fix this, start looking into how to unmask a systemd mount (or reinstall the OS if it's easier)." The part in parentheses is pretty harsh. |
| 19:49.56 | Lady_Aleena | ^ on reddit |
| 19:50.03 | greycat | more ubuntu users, I presume |
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| 19:51.47 | oxek | How do I prevent my terminal from executing an Enter if I paste a command with a newline at the end? See https://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste |
| 19:51.48 | Lady_Aleena | NO idea. |
| 19:53.56 | cybercrypto | oxek: What terminal are you using or talking about? |
| 19:54.17 | sney | I think any xterm-equivalent would do that, pretty much |
| 19:54.30 | oxek | cybercrypto: seems to work in any terminal emulator I tried |
| 19:55.19 | sney | if you find out, let me know, but for the past ~20 years I've gotten around that by pasting stuff into a text buffer if I think it needs cleaning up first |
| 19:55.25 | oxek | or perhaps more clearly, seems to cause issues in bash and dash |
| 19:55.28 | sney | (it's not very often) |
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| 20:01.15 | cybercrypto | oxek: This guy manage to do that, using putty client on Windows. I am wondering if we could work on a bunch of regex exp to get to something similar? |
| 20:01.21 | cybercrypto | oxek: https://serverfault.com/questions/731022/prevent-accidental-execution-of-commands-in-linux-if-pasting-text-containing-one |
| 20:02.09 | cybercrypto | oxek: Not, x-term-emulator, as you see... but still... i found his idea very handy... |
| 20:02.20 | oxek | I did read the links in the post I linked, and nothing specific for bash/dash on debian. Putty is nice, but I am on debian. |
| 20:03.01 | oxek | C-x C-e works but having to do that before every paste? No thanks. |
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| 20:04.41 | oxek | turns out PuTTY is available in debian, but I am not gonna use it as my shell |
| 20:05.44 | sney | you should probably take a minute to consider the difference between a terminal emulator and a shell |
| 20:05.46 | greycat | (it's a terminal emulator, not a shell) |
| 20:05.55 | sney | high fives greycat |
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| 20:08.15 | oxek | you're right |
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| 20:09.32 | greycat | I didn't read everything here, but you might also want to investigate something called "bracketed paste". |
| 20:09.50 | greycat | ... if you haven't already. And I know very little about it. |
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| 20:11.03 | sney | and if you're spending a lot of time pasting whole commands into your terminal emulator, you might want to step back and think about why you're doing that |
| 20:11.18 | sney | pasting stuff you found on stackexchange et al is pretty much a linux worst practice |
| 20:13.07 | Lady_Aleena | wonders why so many packages start with 'lib' instead of being more closely name for the programs they are used with. |
| 20:13.47 | sney | !policy |
| 20:13.47 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 20:13.50 | greycat | do you... understand what a library is? |
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| 20:18.20 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, sure, but the files could be suffixed with "lib" instead of prefixed with "lib". However, this was just an idle thought as I was looking over the list from dpkg -l. |
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| 20:22.51 | Lady_Aleena | Like "libgraphviz-dev" could be "graphviz-dev-lib", but that is just my way of thinking. It would be that lib on the list around graphviz. It isn't something big to talk about, just something that crossed my mind. |
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| 20:23.15 | Lady_Aleena | has very bad grammar at the moment. |
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| 20:46.45 | DoctorD90 | Hey! Hi all! I installed debian 10 from expert mode. All went well. Only 2 issues: 1.Im not able to allow folder on desktop, neither with dconf-editor edit; 2.More important, I cannot see background application running.....like discord or similar. Any help? |
| 20:47.58 | greycat | What desktop environment or window manager are you using? GNOME is infamous for its removal of all desktop icons. |
| 20:49.12 | DoctorD90 | excuse me greycat ! you are rigth! I feel myself like a noob...sorry! yes GNOME |
| 20:49.57 | DoctorD90 | but i read that changing it in dconf-editor it should works...but nothing :P |
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| 20:50.41 | greycat | !confuse DoctorD90 |
| 20:50.41 | dpkg | Yes, where is your weasel tomorrow, DoctorD90? Wellies of the People's Republic of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
| 20:51.14 | DoctorD90 | ahaha |
| 20:52.03 | DoctorD90 | ok so GNOME removed it and icons from desktop are impossible to get back .....thanks for the update :) about the tray icons? another infamous update? |
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| 20:52.39 | greycat | Good luck finding anyone who uses GNOME who can actually explain anything to you. Almost anyone who's capable of learning or explaining things doesn't use it. |
| 20:52.44 | sney | !desktop environment |
| 20:52.45 | dpkg | Desktop environments available for installation on Debian systems include <GNOME>, <KDE>, <XFCE>, <LXDE>, <Cinnamon> and <MATE>. See also <window manager>. |
| 20:52.53 | sney | if you don't like gnome's interface, try one of these other options |
| 20:53.40 | miskatonic | why is gnome3 then the default desktop? |
| 20:53.41 | b1ack0p | DoctorD90: xfce is nice on debian |
| 20:54.06 | greycat | miskatonic: My guess is because GNOME 2.x was the default for so long, and they just assumed people would want to continue letting GNOME be the default... |
| 20:54.20 | sney | miskatonic: history, mostly. but I believe there was a vote at one point. |
| 20:54.39 | sney | xfce was considered for the default for a bit because it was the only one that could fit on a CD-ROM along with the base system |
| 20:54.57 | greycat | in any case, the most important thing to understand is that you don't *have* to use the default -- you can choose anything you want |
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| 20:56.48 | miskatonic | xfce, mate, and cinnamon are in some ways closer to gnome2 than gnome3 is |
| 20:57.08 | greycat | mate and cinnamon are literally forks of gnome 2, aren't they? |
| 20:57.18 | sney | mate is. cinnamon is a different angle |
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| 20:57.21 | annadane | mate is a fork of gnome 2 and cinnamon's a fork of gnome 3 IIRC |
| 20:58.25 | DoctorD90 | yes yes greycat but I chosed GNOME because it did what I was looked for :P but it seems it reached the point I dont like it anymore :P |
| 20:58.59 | sney | cinnamon is a good choice if you want a windows-like interface (taskbar on the bottom, menu on the left, systray on the right, icons on the desktop) interface but you don't like kde |
| 21:00.42 | greycat | dpkg, gnome motto is <reply>GNOME: (A Little Worse Every Time|Confusing Users Since 2011|Our Way Or Our Way|You Weren't Really Using That, Were You)⢠|
| 21:00.43 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:01.22 | annadane | lol |
| 21:01.32 | DoctorD90 | well...i understood I have to test a bit the other :P and maybe reinstall all to have a clean env :P |
| 21:01.41 | miskatonic | many window managers allow to configure the location for the taskbar and so on |
| 21:01.54 | ratrace | iirc there's an extension to bring back desktop icons |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | why do people think they have to reinstall just to change WM/DE? |
| 21:01.56 | sney | miskatonic: so does windows. but this is how it presents out of the box. |
| 21:02.03 | annadane | gnome-boxes is a recommendation on some debian wiki virtualization page and i'm just like "noooooooo" |
| 21:02.13 | ratrace | greycat: because windows |
| 21:02.19 | sney | greycat: I blame l/k/ubuntu |
| 21:03.21 | sney | annadane: better that than virtualbox. it's just a frontend to libvirt. doesn't even pull in much gnome stuff, they should change it to gtk3-boxes or something |
| 21:03.39 | annadane | fair enough, i found it annoying to deal with when i tried it |
| 21:03.56 | annadane | hamburger menus suck, though |
| 21:03.59 | ratrace | gnome boxes dropped a lot of functionality over time. I think it's just a few buttons now |
| 21:04.11 | sney | it's only really good for short-term testing. production virtualization is a whole nother animal |
| 21:04.36 | sney | but all you need is "define this disk, boot from this iso, use this network configuration" so it doesn't really *need* more than a couple of buttons |
| 21:04.49 | ratrace | I scripted qemu-system-x86_64 from the command line, it's really simple. |
| 21:06.28 | annadane | anyway, #makexfcethedefaultindebian |
| 21:06.33 | annadane | #please #meloveyoulongtime |
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| 21:12.34 | Leon_DEV | Hello, is it normal that the stretch security packages repository has older package versions than the stretch packages repository? Example: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/mariadb-10.1 |
| 21:12.45 | miskatonic | torvalds mentioned a few addons which made gnome3 for him usable again |
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| 21:13.08 | greycat | Leon_DEV: if a new version of a package was pushed into a point release, then yes. |
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| 21:21.09 | Leon_DEV | greycat: Ok. I have the problem that the security version is preferred but i need the non security version. Is their a solution other to removing the security repository from sources.list? And how could i avoid this situation in the future? |
| 21:21.26 | greycat | Lies. apt uses the highest version it can find. |
| 21:22.14 | greycat | (unless you did something foolish like setting up pinning) |
| 21:22.24 | Leon_DEV | greycat: Ok. Thanks. I will check that again. |
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| 21:27.18 | DoctorD90 | greycat, because my previous experience to use different DEs on same machine created a lot of issues :P being a new machine it will be faster a reset :P |
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| 21:30.54 | Leon_DEV | greycat: It was pinning... Thank you for the hint. |
| 21:32.44 | invis | is i386 for intel? not sure if it change anything about that but my usb key doesn't boot on my lap top I've used debian-bullseye-DI-alpha2-i386-netinst.iso with dd |
| 21:33.15 | greycat | i386 is 32-bit PC, amd64 is 64-bit PC |
| 21:33.23 | invis | oh |
| 21:33.45 | greycat | bullseye is not a stable release, and if you have problems with it, the support channels for non-stable stuff are all on the other IRC network |
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| 21:56.45 | oxek | I finally found why my firefox did not have an icon in the panel https://appstream.debian.org/sid/main/issues/firefox-esr.html |
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| 21:57.09 | oxek | I already worked around it by installing papirus-icon-theme though |
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| 23:51.35 | HelloShitty | evening... How can I see the history of a terminal session in another terminal session? |
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| 23:52.11 | HelloShitty | I mean, I have a program running in a terminal and I can't stop it and I need to see how that program was called... With which parameters |
| 23:52.31 | HelloShitty | So I need to see the history of that terminal session but in another terminal |
| 23:52.52 | somiaj | ctrl-z will pause it, you can then run it in the background with 'bg', or pause it, check the history, type 'fg' to bring it back to the foreground |
| 23:53.05 | somiaj | though I'll see if you can ccess the buffer from another shell |
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| 23:53.24 | somiaj | also sometimes you can check the pid. |
| 23:53.40 | HelloShitty | ok, let me try the crtl-z |
| 23:54.35 | HelloShitty | well, I hit ctrl-z and it stopped, I checked the command and then typed bg |
| 23:54.41 | HelloShitty | but it's not in the background |
| 23:54.52 | HelloShitty | it's still running in the 'front'ground |
| 23:54.54 | HelloShitty | :p |
| 23:54.55 | somiaj | in /proc/pid/cmdline it has the command line typed |
| 23:55.08 | somiaj | HelloShitty: it is output to the same std out, but it is running in the background |
| 23:55.18 | somiaj | that doesn't suppress output, but only allows you to do otherthings while it runs |
| 23:55.19 | HelloShitty | ah ok |
| 23:55.54 | HelloShitty | thank you somiaj |
| 23:56.38 | somiaj | hmm, not finding a way to access the bash history buffer from another shell, but there maybe a way for that too |
| 23:56.59 | woenx | Hi. tonight I noticed that my NAS is running very very slow. I usually access its folders through sshfs, and it's quite responsive, but now it's taking several minutes to do a simple copy and paste of a small file. |
| 23:57.25 | woenx | I noticed that the CPU I/O Wait value is very high, approaching 80 or 90% in iotop |
| 23:57.26 | sney | woenx: what filesystem and how full is it? |
| 23:57.46 | woenx | I suspect a hard drive might be causing this, but I don't know how to be sure and isolate the problem |
| 23:57.47 | woenx | any tips? |
| 23:58.37 | sney | smartctl is pretty good at detecting hard drive problems |
| 23:58.42 | woenx | (I'm using Debian 10.4) |
| 23:59.06 | sney | also if the nas uses a mirror, you can pull one of the drives and see if speed improves on the degraded array |
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| 23:59.10 | somiaj | hmm, only found 'history -a' which appends .bash_history after each command so you don't have the history in the memeory, but don't see a way to read another shells history buffer/memeory, which might not be possible unless you have some socket open |
