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| 00:31.34 | otis | i would like to report that attempts to install many desktops generate messages of errors in apt |
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| 00:33.59 | somiaj | otis: how have you attempted to install many desktops, and what errors are you getting? |
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| 00:37.24 | otis | somiaj: after xfte4 i did gnome and that was ok and kde raised many errors using apt install |
| 00:38.16 | otis | using gde desktop manager |
| 00:38.32 | otis | gdm don't remember |
| 00:38.51 | somiaj | what errors, can you paste them, what was the exact command you ran |
| 00:40.46 | otis | https://paste.debian.net/1146078/ |
| 00:41.18 | otis | sudo apt-get install kde-standard |
| 00:42.11 | somiaj | !english locales |
| 00:42.31 | somiaj | arg, can you make that output in english, one second there is an easy way to do that |
| 00:42.33 | otis | my locale is pt |
| 00:43.00 | somiaj | you can do something like LC_ALL=C command at the start to get standard output |
| 00:43.07 | themill | your disk is full |
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| 00:43.58 | otis | themill: the disk has 200G far from 20G ocuppied |
| 00:44.14 | somiaj | otis: what about your root partition? |
| 00:46.10 | otis | i need a du to see that |
| 00:46.26 | somiaj | just df -h |
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| 00:47.53 | otis | hummmm somiaj you got it root partition is 100% full |
| 00:48.27 | somiaj | I didn't, themill figured it out. I couldn't read the output..:/ |
| 00:49.23 | otis | it is a lvm i can fix |
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| 00:50.39 | somiaj | yea, if you want to start installing every desktop, you will need a lot more space |
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| 01:45.04 | Aurora_v_kosmose | ,pkg wireguard |
| 01:45.12 | Unit193 | ,v wireguard-dkms |
| 01:45.13 | judd | Package: wireguard-dkms on amd64 -- buster-backports: 1.0.20200429-2~bpo10+1; bullseye: 1.0.20200429-2; sid: 1.0.20200429-2 |
| 01:45.20 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Unit193: Thanks. |
| 01:45.48 | Unit193 | Sure thing, you can also use a backport kernel, but you'll still want wireguard-tools. |
| 01:45.51 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Hm. I was sort of hoping it'd give me some more detail. Such as reason for dkms vs bre-built. |
| 01:46.07 | Aurora_v_kosmose | *pre |
| 01:47.08 | Unit193 | It's fairly new, so until 5.6 it wasn't in the kernel. Debian backported it to the 5.5 series though, so if you have one of those.. |
| 01:47.54 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Ah, so it doesn't work unless I use a backported kernel. |
| 01:49.13 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Correct? |
| 01:49.18 | Unit193 | No, what I'm saying is you have two options: DKMS OR the backported kernel. |
| 01:49.31 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Oh, it's actually built-in with >=5.5? That's neat. |
| 01:50.12 | Aurora_v_kosmose | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/03/wireguard-vpn-makes-it-to-1-0-0-and-into-the-next-linux-kernel/ So it seems. Nice. |
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| 01:50.55 | ZenWalker | hi all |
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| 01:51.28 | ZenWalker | how to change the compiler used by dpkg-buildpackage? by default it uses gcc, I would like to do it with clang |
| 01:51.35 | sponix | Unit193: know if the dkms module wireguard support works for 4.19, 5.4, and such ? |
| 01:51.42 | sponix | Unit193: Or... Is it just 5.5+ |
| 01:52.16 | Unit193 | sponix: As I noted, the dkms module is for everything pre-dating 5.5 in Debian. If you're on 5.5+ you shouldn't use the dkms module. |
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| 01:52.39 | sponix | Unit193: sorry, I didn't grasp it prior. Thanks |
| 01:53.00 | Unit193 | sponix: Sure thing! |
| 01:53.26 | Aurora_v_kosmose | Well, thanks a lot for the clarification. I'm rather glad to know I can start porting things over to it now. |
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| 01:54.24 | sponix | I am limited to 5.4 until the ZFS team puts out a new release covering more |
| 01:54.57 | sponix | checked on that the other day, and they are in no hurry :) |
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| 02:35.57 | jim | does judd have a database of usb devices? |
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| 03:07.02 | somiaj | jim: https://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ doesn't appear so |
| 03:08.03 | jim | judd has that pciid command |
| 03:09.09 | somiaj | yea, but it doesn't apepar (at least according to that docs) there is an usb id quivlant |
| 03:09.57 | jim | ok, so no usb ids on judd... how do you generally deal with hardware connected by usb? if the driver doesn't autoload, how to figure out which driver it needs? |
| 03:10.32 | somiaj | just search the internet, and see if there is support and what kernel version |
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| 05:26.45 | gnr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.21 | Wulf | gnr: Domain is derived from /etc/hosts. |
| 05:34.27 | Wulf | gnr: whatever "hostname -d" shows. You can run it with strace to find out what else it reads (nsswitch, dns, etc.) |
| 05:35.08 | gnr | Wulf: not for /etc/issue |
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| 05:35.33 | Wulf | gnr: why not? |
| 05:35.59 | gnr | Wulf: because i have verified that |
| 05:36.30 | Wulf | gnr: o Insert the NIS domainname of the machine. Same as 'hostname -d'. |
| 05:36.57 | gnr | Wulf: \o seems to reads the NIS/YP values same as domainname command... but this is not persistent |
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| 05:38.46 | gnr | Wulf: i can set the domain name value by domainname command and the escape code for \o in /etc/issue can be shown, but this is not permanent upon reboot |
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| 05:40.14 | Wulf | gnr: on my system, \o results in (none) |
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| 05:40.22 | Wulf | but "hostname -d" shows my domain |
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| 05:40.50 | gnr | Wulf:yup, same here |
| 05:40.55 | Wulf | domainname commands returns (none) too |
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| 05:41.16 | gnr | if i set with domainname \o will show the new value |
| 05:41.29 | gnr | but it is not permanent |
| 05:42.42 | gnr | means \o escape code don't read from /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname |
| 05:43.55 | Wulf | gnr: Looks like a bug to me. You might try to set the fqdn in /etc/hostname, but you shouldn't do that. |
| 05:43.59 | gnr | well of course i can simply drop the \o and use \n instead (since it read /etc/hostname)... but my brain can let it go |
| 05:44.14 | Wulf | gnr: I don't know where else debian might set the domainname. |
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| 05:51.39 | gnr | Wulf:hmmm finally... solve it |
| 05:52.32 | gnr | Wulf:In /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.domainname=somedomain.com |
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| 05:59.05 | Wulf | gnr: thanks :) |
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| 06:01.03 | iateadonut | is there a way to extract a single line from a tar.gz sql file without actually extracting the entire file? every thing i've seen uses zcat or gunzip and then piping to sed or head or whatever to get the line - this takes a while for a very large file. i'm wondering if there's a faster way. |
| 06:02.12 | Wulf | iateadonut: you can stop processing the file once you found what you need. But till then you need to uncompress everything. |
| 06:03.01 | Wulf | iateadonut: are there multiple files in one .tar and you only need one of those? |
| 06:07.08 | gnr | iateadonut: tried zgrep? |
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| 06:08.42 | themill | it very much depends on how the SQL is formatted too. If it's one of these delightful mysql dumps where each table is one long line, you're stuffed. |
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| 06:13.26 | iateadonut | wulf, no just the one sql file |
| 06:13.27 | iateadonut | gnr, i have the specific line number, but not the contents of the line number, so i was looking for that. |
| 06:13.37 | iateadonut | grep can't just pull out a line number |
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| 06:14.31 | iateadonut | and i guess there's no zsed |
| 06:14.47 | iateadonut | ok, looks like i just have to extract it. thought there'd be a faster way to grab a specific line number |
| 06:15.05 | iateadonut | i mean, i thought there'd be a faster way to grab a specific line by line number |
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| 06:23.43 | gnr | iateadonut: grep and zgrep can show the --line-number but you need to know the string, not the other way around. If so yes.. extract and then use sed and awk is the best tool |
| 06:25.57 | gnr | iateadonut: try this out https://github.com/adamhotep/misc-scripts/blob/master/zawk |
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| 07:18.40 | lembron | uhm, anything meaningfull in the last deb10 update that i cant find in changelogs what might explain cpu-load rising? - 3 totally equal servers, gree one was updated last night (and its been quite some hour, so all caches are warm...) https://i.imgur.com/eLhu2d9.png |
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| 07:20.00 | Haohmaru | can't you check which process OM-NOMs the cpu? |
| 07:20.01 | tarzeau | lembron: does htop show you what is using cpu load increase? |
| 07:20.17 | tarzeau | then you'd have to consult the bugs pages of relevant software |
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| 07:22.25 | Haohmaru | screensaver? ;P~ |
| 07:22.51 | lembron | well it moved from .2 to .3, so htop is not all that meaningfull ;-) - but now that you say that... i might be a potato and its just missing my overclock =) |
| 07:24.07 | lembron | cpu/intel_pstate/min_perf_pct = 16 -- yea, that be it, will buzz again if not lol... thanks |
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| 08:21.00 | rendar | after an upgrade, whenever i launch a Qt application, i get libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate |
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| 08:21.17 | rendar | why? and why everytime aptget upgrade messes things up? |
| 08:21.23 | rendar | i'm fed up! |
| 08:21.39 | Haohmaru | messes things up? |
| 08:21.50 | Haohmaru | my debians are wurking fine *shrug* |
| 08:21.55 | rendar | Haohmaru: mine is not |
| 08:22.04 | rendar | 09:43 | <pnbeast> rendar, that's pretty common with Debian systems. They just up and start throwing random errors, because they've randomly changed some important configuration, or installed some random software. I bet sometimes it'll delete things by itself, too. This is why Debian is reputed to be so unstable. |
| 08:22.05 | Haohmaru | have you been naughty with it? |
| 08:22.12 | rendar | and that what has been told me on #linux |
| 08:22.34 | Haohmaru | eh? |
| 08:22.36 | somiaj | rendar: what version of debian do you run? |
| 08:22.42 | rendar | somiaj: 10 |
| 08:22.52 | rendar | Haohmaru: you did read it well |
| 08:23.07 | somiaj | that comment you got must be from someone who doesn't understand debian systems, debian stable doesn't randomally change things. |
| 08:23.29 | rendar | somiaj: far enough, STILL after an apt upgrade, i can't run applications!!!!! |
| 08:23.40 | Haohmaru | if you sit here, at least once a day you'll hear that you should NOT install random things on debian |
| 08:23.49 | somiaj | rendar: what video card do you have? |
| 08:23.50 | Haohmaru | and you should NOT go all naughty with apt |
| 08:23.54 | rendar | Haohmaru: apt get upgrade == install random things?! |
| 08:24.03 | rendar | Haohmaru: apt get upgrade == being naughty with apt?! |
| 08:24.14 | rendar | somiaj: Nvidia Quadro 4000 |
| 08:24.18 | somiaj | the point release came with a new kernel, that could sometimes affect gpus (which could be related to the DRI issue) |
| 08:24.24 | Haohmaru | apt get upgrade on a messed up system == who knows what |
| 08:24.24 | apt | ACTION fetches upgrade on a messed up system == who knows what |
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| 08:24.28 | somiaj | rendar: what video driver do you use and how did you install it? |
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| 08:24.51 | rendar | somiaj: the one released by nvidia |
| 08:24.52 | Haohmaru | rendar ... i'd say russian roulette |
| 08:24.57 | rendar | i installed it through apt |
| 08:25.08 | somiaj | rendar: so you downloaded the driver from nvidia, okay what package did you install |
| 08:25.34 | Haohmaru | rendar did you read what the debian documentation/wiki says about nvidia drivers? |
| 08:25.44 | rendar | i don't remember the package..i did that more than 1 year ago, i simply did that trough apt, and apt every time updated that |
| 08:25.45 | somiaj | if you installed the one from nvidia.com, apt will mess that one up with upgrades, though I have heard someone else have issues with the nvidia driver after the recent kernel upgrade |
| 08:26.05 | rendar | uhm |
| 08:26.20 | somiaj | rendar: two things to check, one 'lsmod | grep nvidia' do you see the nvidia module being loaded, also you can boot up off the old kernel and see if things worked. |
| 08:26.24 | rendar | do you think guys that i will be better off with a more linux-friendly video board? |
| 08:26.40 | rendar | somiaj: ok, wait |
| 08:26.44 | gnr | just rollback if it got messed up |
| 08:26.55 | rendar | gnr: i can't |
| 08:27.01 | somiaj | nvidia non-free can be a little annoying, but I've had good luck with it. Though I think your card needs a nvidia-legacy driver right? |
| 08:27.06 | rendar | gnr: if i run a previous version, X11 won't start |
| 08:27.16 | rendar | https://bpa.st/RQ6Q |
| 08:27.17 | Haohmaru | i've had issues with newish debian and old-ish crapvidia cards at the job, so for @home i bought a radeon card |
| 08:27.20 | rendar | somiaj ^ |
| 08:27.43 | rendar | somiaj: don't know, honestly |
| 08:27.43 | somiaj | sounds like there is some issue with your nvidia driver, but it appears the module is loading just fine |
| 08:27.48 | somiaj | rendar: do you use backports at all? |
| 08:27.58 | rendar | nope |
| 08:28.35 | somiaj | okay, well that looks fine, dmesg | grep -i nvidia (see any output there about errors/warnings?) |
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| 08:29.01 | rendar | wait, you mean https://bpa.st/NX2A |
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| 08:29.08 | rendar | sorry, cancel first words |
| 08:29.59 | somiaj | okay, now lets look at your Xorg.0.log file, so far I don't see anything that would prevent dri from working |
| 08:31.07 | usney | Is it possible to mount a virtual /tmp folder like a swapfile? |
| 08:31.48 | somiaj | usney: I don't quite follow what you mean? I have seen /tmp mounted tmpfs, but that is not the same as a swapfile at all |
| 08:31.59 | rendar | somiaj: ok, where Xorg.0.log is located? |
| 08:32.37 | usney | I mean you know how you can create swap space in a virtual file called a swapfile is it possible to do the same with creating a virtual tempfs and mounted on /tmp? |
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| 08:33.28 | somiaj | rendar: either /var/log or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/ |
| 08:33.39 | usney | So instead of creating a separate partition for /tmp can you do it with a virtual file? |
| 08:34.39 | somiaj | usney: You can do that, you can use loopback devices to mount a file at a location, but I smell an xy problem here. What is your actual goal, why is /tmp a seprate partition, and why not use tmpfs? |
| 08:34.54 | somiaj | it is common to use /tmp as tmpfs, but I've never seen someoen making it their own partition or a loopback mount |
| 08:34.57 | rendar | https://bpa.st/I5YQ |
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| 08:36.28 | somiaj | rendar: didn't you upgrade your kernel, that log file says you are still running the older kernel |
| 08:36.43 | somiaj | rendar: uname -a (what kernel are you currently running, is it a -8 or a -9 in its name |
| 08:36.46 | rendar | somiaj: yes!! because newer kernel blacklisted my audio board |
| 08:36.51 | rendar | -8 now |
| 08:36.59 | rendar | $ uname -a |
| 08:37.00 | rendar | Linux tilt 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1+deb10u1 (2020-04-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:37.19 | rendar | i had to return back to 0-8 from 0-9, because 0-9 blacklisted my audio board! |
| 08:37.52 | somiaj | that seems odd, you have a lot of odd issues, but yet nothign is appearing in your logs. According to that dri2 is loading and runing just fine |
| 08:37.58 | rendar | yesterday i was there, if you scroll up, trying to solve the audio problem, wondering why debian didn't notice me of the blacklist |
| 08:38.37 | usney | I installed debian with the one of the separate partition options which one of them included separate partition for /tmp so I might reinstalled and do the tmpfs and mount it on /tmp instead since I am having problems with it. somiaj |
| 08:38.45 | usney | I am going to sleep |
| 08:38.47 | usney | good night |
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| 08:39.18 | rendar | somiaj: dri2 is loading and running just fine but applications don't start :( |
| 08:39.48 | somiaj | usney: you don't have to reinstall, you could just remove the /tmp mount from /etc/fstab and then just have /tmp as part of root |
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| 08:40.11 | usney | I see |
| 08:40.16 | usney | how do I do that somiaj |
| 08:40.24 | usney | if it is a logical separate parition |
| 08:41.06 | rendar | somiaj: can't i try to uninstall dri2 and reinstall it? |
| 08:41.12 | somiaj | usney: just comment out the /tmp line in /etc/fstab and reboot, it won't mount that partition on /tmp anymore |
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| 08:41.34 | somiaj | rendar: I don't think that is the issue. I think you have done something unstandard to your system, but i can't see what. |
| 08:41.43 | somiaj | rendar: do you ever accidently run stuff as root in $HOME? |
| 08:41.44 | rendar | i didn't! |
| 08:41.49 | rendar | no! |
| 08:42.07 | somiaj | again I don't see what the issue could be. What DE do you use? |
| 08:42.15 | Haohmaru | do you "drink and deb"? |
| 08:42.46 | somiaj | I do belive the recent point release gave a new kernel and a new nvidia driver, you might want to see since you downgraded the kernel, also run the older nvidia driver. |
| 08:43.18 | somiaj | you can get old packages from snapshot.debian.org, but from what you have pasted, I don't see any issues with the nvidia driver loading and being used |
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| 08:46.30 | rendar | somiaj xfce |
| 08:47.13 | rendar | the error is libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticate |
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| 08:48.25 | lembron | just to report back from a few hours ago - i was indeed just missing the overclock on the box me potato... now all 3 are loaded same again https://i.imgur.com/aG5DVTP.png |
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| 08:58.34 | somiaj | rendar: You might want to see if using the older nvidia driver works for you, the point release included both a kernel and nvidia driver upgrade that has bug fixes. Sometimes these cause regressions, so see if the older driver works for you. |
| 08:59.21 | rendar | somiaj: the thing i can't get, is that with 0-8 it worked! |
| 08:59.34 | rendar | i just returned back to 0-8 since the audio problem |
| 08:59.43 | rendar | why it shouldn't work?! |
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| 09:03.50 | somiaj | I said you should downgrade the nvidia driver to the previous version too |
| 09:03.58 | somiaj | you can get old packages at snapshot.debian.org |
| 09:04.44 | Haohmaru | rendar has your debian crashed or rebooted "unproperly" (like due to power outtage and such) ? |
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| 09:05.00 | rendar | absolutely nope |
| 09:05.07 | Haohmaru | if that happens during upgrades of certain packages it can cause bad things |
| 09:05.19 | rendar | somiaj: i'm afraid that if i do that operation Xorg won't start, and then im fucked |
| 09:05.25 | rendar | i have to work with this workstation |
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| 09:28.37 | siwenter | Hello |
| 09:28.48 | Haohmaru | hai |
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| 09:28.57 | siwenter | Can someone help me, please? |
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| 09:29.14 | Haohmaru | only if you ask your question |
| 09:30.26 | siwenter | There's some thing I don't understand. I upgraded from stable to sid and now I'm having packages, which can be looked up by apt, but after trying to install it gives me an error. Wait a sec |
| 09:31.47 | siwenter | https://pastebin.com/wzTQ7kha |
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| 09:32.15 | siwenter | Same for "-t experimental" |
| 09:32.39 | siwenter | I have similar issues with some another packages as well |
| 09:33.45 | nkuttler | !unstable |
| 09:33.45 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 09:34.02 | nkuttler | siwenter: what you're saying is expected, if you can't fix that you should run sid |
| 09:34.07 | nkuttler | shouldn't |
| 09:34.32 | nkuttler | !debian-next |
| 09:34.32 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc |
| 09:34.58 | siwenter | The problem is, I have to use it for newer versions of packages. For example I need newest version of sane-backends |
| 09:35.25 | nkuttler | i hear you, but this channel is only for stable support |
| 09:35.26 | siwenter | Video drivers too |
| 09:35.34 | siwenter | Oh, ok |
| 09:35.35 | siwenter | Sorry |
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| 09:46.27 | shtrb | siwenter, you might enjoy the backports repo for stable |
| 09:47.22 | shtrb | ,v scanbd |
| 09:47.24 | judd | Package: scanbd on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.0-2; stretch: 1.4.4-1+b2; buster: 1.5.1-4; bullseye: 1.5.1-6; sid: 1.5.1-6 |
| 09:47.36 | shtrb | siwenter, ^ |
| 09:50.29 | siwenter | Thanks, I didn't consider it. I'm still kind of new to debian. Earlier I was using archlinux |
| 09:50.58 | siwenter | Though it seems there's no packages from experimental in backports |
| 09:51.48 | Haohmaru | the stuff from eggsperimental might erase ur harddisk, who knows |
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| 09:52.31 | siwenter | It's just sane. I have faith in it |
| 09:52.46 | Haohmaru | don't be fooled by its name ;P~ |
| 09:53.01 | Haohmaru | one wrong instruction and BOOM |
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| 09:53.37 | siwenter | o no ;) |
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| 09:56.30 | siwenter | Ok, thanks for helping me |
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| 10:04.12 | NetTerminalGene | guys, debian got big update today. but my /boot partition run out of space and gave me "pigz: abort: write error on <stdout> (No space left on device)" error. what should i do? |
| 10:04.48 | NetTerminalGene | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-9-amd64 with 1. |
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| 10:08.24 | shtrb | siwenter, just use stable + backports , do not touch experimental |
| 10:08.49 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, you can uninstall previous kernels that are no longer used to have enough space in your /boot parttion |
| 10:09.20 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, how can i remove old kernels? which package should i remove? |
| 10:09.51 | NetTerminalGene | for example it has "initrd.img-4.19.0-4-amd64" |
| 10:10.01 | NetTerminalGene | but there is no such packages |
| 10:10.31 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, if you run "dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image" and you have more than two "installed" you can uninstall the oldest ones using apt-get remove somethingold if you are not using it anymore |
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| 10:13.27 | siwenter | shtrb, I would, but as I said I would need to wait quite a while for my lovely package because it's still in experimental for god knows how long. I googled about downgrading to stable but some people say it can be quite dangerous |
| 10:13.44 | NetTerminalGene | shrysr, okay. i removed them. do i need to do something else now? because upgrade process finished with error |
| 10:14.17 | siwenter | I don't want to reinstall because moving to lvm+dm-crypt already took some time |
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| 10:14.51 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, check how much space you have ,and try installing again |
| 10:15.24 | siwenter | So I guess I stuck here for awhile |
| 10:15.40 | shtrb | siwenter, no one says you should reinstall |
| 10:16.04 | shtrb | You had been trying to install the wrong package |
| 10:16.05 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, i removed 3 old kernel. i think it has enough space. so, what should i do to install the latest update again? |
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| 10:16.13 | siwenter | Do you suggest using that "pin" feature? |
| 10:16.16 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, yes |
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| 10:16.25 | shtrb | siwenter, not in your case |
| 10:17.01 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, what do you mean? |
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| 10:17.47 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, continue with the latest upgrade as before (what you had before the error ) |
| 10:18.28 | shtrb | And grab some cookies because we always need cookies |
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| 10:19.15 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, i don't understand. it was installing upgrade and game me error. i don't know if it happened in the middle of it or in the end |
| 10:19.42 | oxek | How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce. |
| 10:19.45 | NetTerminalGene | can i reinstall that again somehow? |
| 10:20.04 | shtrb | NetTerminalGene, it's ok , just do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (or what ever you had been doing the last time ) |
| 10:21.03 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, it says there is no upgrade |
| 10:21.17 | NetTerminalGene | is it ok now? i don't need to do something else? |
| 10:21.41 | NetTerminalGene | i don't want to encounter with a broken system next boot |
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| 10:23.02 | shtrb | Try reinstalling the latest kernel just in case |
| 10:24.28 | shtrb | for example sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-4.19.0-9-amd64 to fullfill the full installation just in case |
| 10:27.59 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, thanks. i reinstalled it. do you think i can reboot now without problem? |
| 10:28.12 | shtrb | If you had no other problems , than yes |
| 10:29.08 | shtrb | Anyone know how I can know if the tests (t/*.sh) in package git-svn had been run and had been successful during build ? |
| 10:29.20 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, because it installed systemd and etc... i scare if process isn't completed or something |
| 10:29.56 | shtrb | You can never be sure with systemd |
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| 10:31.59 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, do you think the upgrade process installed and configured all of them? |
| 10:32.08 | NetTerminalGene | do i need to do anything else? |
| 10:32.20 | NetTerminalGene | i reinstalled the latest kernel |
| 10:32.48 | shtrb | Did you try doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:33.14 | shtrb | If have no more errors , and nothing to upgrade you should be ok |
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| 10:41.25 | NetTerminalGene | shtrb, sorry i was afk. yes i did. it says system is upgraded. no errors |
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| 10:42.08 | shtrb | all should be ok |
| 10:42.25 | NetTerminalGene | ok. thanks for your help. much appreciated |
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| 10:49.43 | simplicius | I wrote a card game, is it possible to create a debian package and let other user download it? |
| 10:50.28 | shtrb | yes |
| 10:51.26 | simplicius | how does it work? can I upload it on some debian repository? |
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| 10:52.03 | tarzeau | simplicius: yes https://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 10:52.20 | shtrb | You package it properly ask at #debian-mentors for assistance if you need |
| 10:52.23 | brutser | hi, i am using debian with openbox, i need some advise on a good screen locker - can anyone recommend any? |
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| 10:53.10 | tarzeau | brutser: with local users, i like xtrlock |
| 10:53.30 | simplicius | but I'm not a Debian Developer.. |
| 10:53.41 | tarzeau | simplicius: anyone can do mentors.debian.org |
| 10:53.41 | brutser | tarzeau: ok thanks for that, i will check it |
| 10:53.48 | tarzeau | err .net |
| 10:54.04 | tarzeau | simplicius: otherwise post an url to your source code tarball |
| 10:54.13 | tarzeau | simplicius: and i can have a look at it (unless it's gtk) |
| 10:54.28 | simplicius | yes it uses gtk3+ |
| 10:54.35 | tarzeau | not my favourite, url? |
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| 10:55.27 | simplicius | https://github.com/gioretikto/briscola |
| 10:55.39 | brutser | tarzeau: can you make the screen go black with xtrlock? it only show the lock symbol, but screen stays visible when testing it |
| 10:55.55 | tarzeau | simplicius: what license is it? |
| 10:56.07 | simplicius | GPL |
| 10:56.09 | tarzeau | brutser: i don't think so |
| 10:56.29 | tarzeau | simplicius: GPL 2? 3? only or later also? can you make that clear on the homepage? |
| 10:56.40 | simplicius | you're right |
| 10:56.59 | tarzeau | simplicius: also tag a release: https://github.com/gioretikto/briscola/releases (all empty) |
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| 10:57.42 | tarzeau | simplicius: then i'd get the tarball, unpack it, run dh_make in the unpacked directory (that requires source package be called briscola_1.0.orig.tar.gz something like it, you can just call it v1.0 or 1.0) |
| 10:57.59 | tarzeau | simplicius: then run debuild, until it is perfect :) |
| 10:58.47 | tarzeau | simplicius: since it looks like a game to me, you might want to join #debian-games and later push it to https://salsa.debian.org/games-team |
| 10:59.12 | tarzeau | simplicius: there already seems to be a game like that: https://repology.org/projects/?search=briscola |
| 10:59.17 | simplicius | j #debian-games |
| 10:59.21 | simplicius | sorry |
| 11:00.08 | simplicius | there is no one there |
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| 11:00.42 | Haohmaru | it's probably on OFTC |
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| 11:02.58 | simplicius | mine is written in C and GTK it does not use Qt |
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| 11:21.25 | oxek | How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce. |
| 11:22.16 | Haohmaru | i think that depends on the filemanager and/or that xdg thing |
| 11:22.54 | Haohmaru | i've added a custom option into the file context menu but on LXDE (pcmanfm) |
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| 11:24.17 | Haohmaru | i see traces of it in ~/.local/share/applications, i've put a mimeapps.list and a .desktop file |
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| 11:42.20 | Delta706 | I would like to install debian on a partition of my non-default hard disk as a sort of backup OS. Is this possible? I am assuming sufficient space is available on that partition |
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| 11:43.35 | Haohmaru | it should definately be possible, the question is about what to do with the bootloader |
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| 11:43.57 | siwenter | I have installed it on usb flash drive without a problem back in time |
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| 11:45.24 | siwenter | You would need to access BIOS to change boot order to boot from it though |
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| 11:47.50 | Delta706 | for booting, I am thinking of interrupt Grub and entering an approach boot command by hand. |
| 11:48.02 | Delta706 | *interrupting |
| 11:48.19 | Delta706 | *appropriate |
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| 11:55.11 | ratrace | Delta706: why? if you have grub there then the OS designated to maintain it can osprobe and include your backup OS in its regular menu |
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| 11:56.35 | Delta706 | that seems even better. I will look into that osprobe option |
| 11:57.27 | Delta706 | debian is happy using a partition that takes up only 30 gigabytes of a larger device? |
| 11:57.38 | ratrace | Delta706: should be pretty much default on any distro. in general it'll suffice to reconfigure grub on your main OS (assuming debian?) which should recognize and pick up your backup OS installation. just make sure that backup OS installation doesn't deal with grub too |
| 11:58.01 | Delta706 | both my main and backup OS will be debian |
| 11:58.34 | ratrace | yeah be careful that you don't install grub in your backup OS anyway |
| 11:59.28 | Delta706 | is there an option in the installation process that says "do not do any grub stuff"? |
| 11:59.35 | ratrace | 30G should suffice if you think it would. Debian minimal installation takes around 1-2GB, and with a full blown desktop and some usefull apps, up to 10GB, so plan more for your (user) data or any extra application suites you intend to install |
| 11:59.35 | pwnd_nsfw | Yes |
| 12:00.46 | Delta706 | the backup OS is intended to be just enough to get things going enough so that I can do a reinstall of the main OS |
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| 12:01.50 | ratrace | Delta706: in that case, if that's just a rescue OS, and if you don't plan to have a desktop there, if I were you, I'd give that 10GB, which would include a nice 4GB swapfile |
| 12:01.54 | pwnd_nsfw | Would it be too much to backup your home folder (and whatever other data) to a thumb and just reinstall? |
| 12:02.15 | ratrace | I installed Debian onto a USB stick for that purpose |
| 12:02.26 | ratrace | (which reminds me, I hafta upgrade that to 10.4) |
| 12:02.29 | pwnd_nsfw | :D |
| 12:02.53 | pwnd_nsfw | I took the "home folder in a different partition" route |
| 12:03.28 | ratrace | I use ZFS on LUKS containers, so I need full blown OS, with ZFS support, as a rescue disk. and I refuse to use stock Ubuntu live thingy for that :) |
| 12:03.38 | pwnd_nsfw | I intend to move this installation to an SSD when I'm more comfortable. Likely switching to Debian full time, and just having my windows install for games whenever the time comes |
| 12:04.11 | ratrace | I don't care about separate /home because I care about up to date backups. :) should I ever need to migrate, I'll have them backups too |
| 12:04.17 | pwnd_nsfw | USB3.x thumb drive is probably quicker than my old HDD lol |
| 12:04.40 | pwnd_nsfw | Nice :) I have no idea what I'm doing still so I enjoy this convo |
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| 12:14.00 | thomassgn | Hi, for a live disk on an x64 machine what iso do I download? |
| 12:14.25 | thomassgn | looking at these but what does 1,2 and 3 mean? https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 12:14.59 | netvixtra | thomassgn: it contains software |
| 12:15.15 | netvixtra | thomassgn: the more dvd's you download the more offline content you bring to your installation |
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| 12:17.40 | thomassgn | ok, but I'll just need basic system installed on a usb flash. It'll be connected to network and have space for installing to the flash disk... |
| 12:17.48 | thomassgn | can I just use disk 1? |
| 12:23.40 | netvixtra | you can use netinst |
| 12:24.39 | pwnd_nsfw | Yeah, just download the first iso and put on your flash |
| 12:24.46 | thomassgn | cool |
| 12:25.00 | pwnd_nsfw | in the installation process there's an option that asks if you'd like to use the internet to install up to date packages 'n such |
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| 12:33.58 | brutser | i got mousepad installed on debian, what is the correct way to add a menu so i can right click a file and open it with mousepad, but as sudo user, so with root priviledges? |
| 12:35.04 | ksk | ,info mousepad |
| 12:35.04 | judd | Package mousepad (editors, optional) in buster/amd64: simple Xfce oriented text editor. Version: 0.4.1-2; Size: 325.9k; Installed: 1516k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mousepad |
| 12:35.13 | ksk | brutser: that depends on if mouseclick has support for state of the art "we do root in GUI"-foo :x |
| 12:36.20 | brutser | ksk: ok, so how do i go about that? ;P |
| 12:36.43 | ksk | all the faqtoids seem to be heavily outdated, and mentions gksu and the likes. As far as I know they stopped finnally working in buster, and the replacement is "Policykit" (again, If I remember correctly..) |
| 12:37.05 | ksk | so your app either supports that, or not - Rather not if the app is old and unmantained. |
| 12:37.05 | brutser | well that is reason why i came here yes, all seem to use that gksu |
| 12:37.07 | ksk | brutser: use a non grahical editor like any good hacker :X |
| 12:38.06 | ksk | brutser: might be others have better solutions, feel free to stay a while (and listen) |
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| 12:44.06 | bdax | does anyone know if there's a command equivalent to `fdayasync <path>` |
| 12:44.16 | bdax | fdatasync* |
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| 12:44.50 | bdax | oh, apparent `sync` has a `--data` flag |
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| 13:04.12 | oxek | How can I make xarchiver add an option to 'Extract to <new directory based on the filename of the archive>' to the context menu? So that it behaves like 7zip on windows. Running debian 10 xfce. |
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| 13:07.39 | ksk | oxek: the first question would be: can you make that happen in the first place (like, on the commandline?). And if you can, what are your problems transfering that to "context menu" |
| 13:08.18 | ksk | spoiler: from your wording I assume that this is would be a change to your debian system, resulting in "you can do that" - but nobody else that just has that archive.. |
| 13:11.21 | oxek | I prefer to stay away from commandline if I can. |
| 13:11.38 | oxek | but I think I get what you mean |
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| 13:12.00 | oxek | I can create a commandline command that does what I want, and then I need to find out how to add such a command to the context menu |
| 13:12.11 | ksk | Yes, thats what I wanted to say :) |
| 13:12.17 | oxek | which is something I need to look up if it is even possible in Thunar/xfce |
| 13:12.44 | ksk | (imho: not without a helper script, as you need a scripting language to do that) |
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| 13:13.18 | ksk | oxek: would adding a "base directory" to that archive not be the easier way btw? :D |
| 13:13.30 | oxek | surely I can't be the first one asking for such a feature? I hate it when extracting an archive creates hundreds of files in the current directory instead of extracting them into a new directory |
| 13:13.43 | oxek | ksk: not my archives |
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| 13:13.52 | ksk | like, when you issue a new release, you know how its called. put all the files in a directory "release1.0" zip that, name the zip "release1.0.zip" - voila! |
| 13:13.56 | ksk | ah okay :/ |
| 13:14.17 | oxek | yeah all archives I create have a directory in them, but this is for random archives I download |
| 13:14.21 | ksk | oxek: that is basic tar behaviour Im afraid. |
| 13:14.40 | ksk | because of that I always create an extra dir, move the archive there, and then extract to be on the safe side :X |
| 13:15.08 | oxek | feels like those extra steps should not be necessary in an ideal world where apps do what we want them to do |
| 13:15.35 | ksk | oxek: take a look at "tar -C" - you wuould still need to evaluate the value you want to pass to -C per archive though.. |
| 13:16.29 | ksk | replace tar with a function which calls "tar -xaf foo.tar.gz -C foo" automagicly. |
| 13:16.51 | ksk | (not really elegant, and it will most likely freak people out who do not know about that function :p ) |
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| 13:37.53 | piezoid | Hi! Something broke on my webserver, related to permissions |
| 13:37.56 | piezoid | require(/var/www/wordpress/wp-blog-header.php): failed to open stream |
| 13:38.14 | piezoid | on the other hand this runs fine: sudo -u www-data php -r "require('/var/www/wordpress/wp-blog-header.php'); echo 'hello';" |
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| 13:39.16 | NetTerminalGene | ,v firefox-esr |
| 13:39.17 | judd | Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; stretch: 68.4.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 68.7.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 68.7.0esr-1~deb10u1; jessie-security: 68.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 68.8.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster-proposed-updates: 68.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; buster-security: 68.8.0esr-1~deb10u1; bullseye: |
| 13:39.18 | judd | 68.8.0esr-1; sid: 68.8.0esr-1 |
| 13:39.36 | greycat | piezoid: What's the *whole* error message? Also, is the process that's generating the error running in any kind of chroot/container? |
| 13:39.38 | RoyK | ksk: https://xkcd.com/1168/ |
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| 13:45.09 | piezoid | greycat: It's php7.3-fpm, started with the default /lib/systemd/system/php7.3-fpm.service |
| 13:45.29 | piezoid | greycat: error message in nginx/error.log: [error] 663#663: *47 FastCGI sent in stderr: "PHP message: PHP Warning: require(/var/www/wordpress/wp-blog-header.php): failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/wordpress/index.php on line 17PHP message: PHP Fatal error: require(): Failed opening required '/var/www/wordpress/wp-blog-header.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php') in /var/www/wordpress/index.php on line 17" while |
| 13:45.30 | piezoid | reading response header from upstream, client: 85.168.247.211, server: www.[snip], request: "GET / HTTP/2.0", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/run/php/php7.3-fpm.sock:", host: "[snip]" |
| 13:46.12 | greycat | OK, it does say "Permission denied", so one must wonder exactly what's causing that. |
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| 13:48.12 | greycat | *sigh* gods damn it, package names are driving me crazy... |
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| 13:48.35 | piezoid | greycat: I'm so desperate that I have "chmod a+rwx /var/www -R" and disabled app-armor |
| 13:48.58 | greycat | OK, *this* time it worked... what the hell did I do wrong last time, accidentally type some garbage character by fat-fingering? |
| 13:49.14 | greycat | piezoid: jesus CHRIST, what ?!@?!? |
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| 13:49.24 | greycat | Oh. My. God. NO. |
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| 13:49.39 | piezoid | greycat: well I have a script to setup the correct permission from scratch |
| 13:49.42 | greycat | I am DONE with this question. *plonk* |
| 13:49.52 | greycat | NEXT! |
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| 13:50.33 | greycat | (Good news, I get to stop driving myself insane trying to find the debian source URL so I can inspect the systemd unit file and look for restrictions and then ask them about whether they symlinked something to a nonstandard location...) |
| 13:52.53 | piezoid | greycat: What's the problem ? It is expected that I try everything before coming here to ask about dumb permissions problem, right ? |
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| 13:54.40 | ksk | RoyK: :) |
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| 13:58.33 | RoyK | ksk: always check mouseover on those xkcd things :) |
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| 14:00.04 | laughingtiger | hi, how to enable at least 2d acceleration in qemu-kvm? 3d I don't dare to imagine it now, too complicate. |
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| 14:03.45 | laughingtiger | hmm? |
| 14:05.16 | ksk | RoyK: they "a" switch contains the magic :P |
| 14:05.22 | ksk | *the |
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| 14:06.29 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: if you're using SPICE you can enable virgl (GL acceleration for VMs). You can do it in virt-manager if you use libvirt, this page (Ctrl-F virgl because I couldn't get anchor link to work): https://www.spice-space.org/spice-user-manual.html also shows the libvirt XML and qemu command line options. |
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| 14:07.23 | oxek | ksk: I think I need to edit /usr/lib/thunar-archive-plugin/xarchiver.tap to give it the specific action I want |
| 14:08.32 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, so I need to install spice-client inside a windows guest? |
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| 14:09.47 | teclo- | afternoon, I just got a brand new Logitech C270 HD USB webcam... what software should I use to see what the webcam sees ? |
| 14:10.25 | Acheron | gucview is a good one |
| 14:10.40 | Acheron | guvcview |
| 14:10.57 | Acheron | sorry, got it wrong the first time |
| 14:11.35 | ksk | oxek: as that is a file managed by apt/dpkg/debian, just overwriting it is not a good idea. |
| 14:11.39 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: pretty sure that virgl is for linux guests only at this point. Sorry. |
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| 14:12.19 | Acheron | teclo-, guvcview and cheese are two good ones |
| 14:12.30 | ksk | !tell oxek about divert |
| 14:13.11 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, thank you for that, I'll take a more thorough look at that page. |
| 14:13.32 | teclo- | Acheron: thanks alot |
| 14:13.43 | teclo- | wow great, the webcam *just works* in Debian GNU/Linux |
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| 14:14.34 | Haohmaru | imagine if you had to download some fishy driver.rar from rapidshare |
| 14:14.40 | Haohmaru | x_x |
| 14:14.49 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: if you're serious about getting GPU acceleration inside a Windows VM look into PCI passthough or VFIO/IOMMU. I do that with a second video card for the Windows VM, but there are some people with single GPU set ups. |
| 14:15.25 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, oh pci passthrough makes my head aches. |
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| 14:16.24 | _Fremen_ | Hello everyone |
| 14:16.25 | _Fremen_ | I am using Debian testing KDE with Firefox ESR. I started having problems with online classes with sharing microphone, camera or screen sharing, none of them works and I cannot see or hear the same things from other people. This started today morning. What should I do? |
| 14:16.39 | jmcnaught | laughingtiger: It's pretty easy to set up in Debian 10 if your hardware cooperates. |
| 14:17.15 | laughingtiger | I'm afraid that spice was the only workable way for my infamous intel-nvidia hybrid bumblebee/optimus system. |
| 14:17.19 | annadane | _Fremen_, /join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:17.46 | Haohmaru | is he testing KDE or using debian-testing? |
| 14:18.06 | annadane | oh, good point |
| 14:18.18 | annadane | if you're on stable, here's the right place to ask; if testing, then the channel i mentioned |
| 14:18.29 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, based on what I've searched, the optimus system has a low succession rate for the pass through to work, isn't it? |
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| 14:18.47 | _Fremen_ | annadane, debian testing with KDE normal I assume? |
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| 14:19.08 | annadane | if you're on debian testing then you should ask #debian-next on the oftc network |
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| 14:19.25 | _Fremen_ | annadane, I joined and asked it :) |
| 14:19.25 | Haohmaru | then OFTC -> #debian-next (that's for debian-testing) |
| 14:22.35 | laughingtiger | jmcnaught, thank you so much. |
| 14:22.41 | teclo- | hmmm I was like "hey there's no sound" but I found out I had to set the audio input to pulseaudio and the webcam's internal microphone |
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| 14:26.21 | teclo- | OK now installing skype... |
| 14:26.28 | Haohmaru | oh noes |
| 14:26.29 | teclo- | reads the tutorial |
| 14:27.02 | teclo- | hmmm ... weird it says I have to do dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 14:27.06 | Haohmaru | we need to have one-time/disposable computers |
| 14:27.17 | Haohmaru | aww, so it's 32bit |
| 14:27.19 | teclo- | the propriateray Skype software is 32-bit only ??? |
| 14:27.22 | teclo- | sound weird |
| 14:27.39 | teclo- | especially since wget https://repo.skype.com/latest/skypeforlinux-64.deb is the next step |
| 14:27.43 | annadane | who knows what skype does anymore, it was the worst software i've ever used and that was in 2012 |
| 14:28.05 | teclo- | yeah I know skype sucks nad it's proprietary and I'd better use Ekiga |
| 14:28.14 | Haohmaru | annadane its worstness can only intensify |
| 14:28.30 | annadane | it was apparently pretty good before microshit bought it |
| 14:28.48 | CrystalMath | if i want to build a kernel like ubuntu's lowlatency, do i need the PREEMPT_RT patch? |
| 14:28.48 | Acheron | teclo-, welll that is the first problem right there, using software outside the repo |
| 14:28.49 | piezoid | greycat: ok, server re-hardened and back online... |
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| 14:29.06 | CrystalMath | also, i still cannot find where debian ships the source code for the RT patch |
| 14:29.26 | Gentilhomme | hey, how do I upgrade to Debian 10.4 if I have the previous updated version? |
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| 14:29.59 | annadane | Gentilhomme, probably as simple as apt update && apt upgrade, or if there are packages held back then apt dist-upgrade |
| 14:30.04 | Gentilhomme | I have a lot of graphics packages breaking starting today (opengl, nvidia drivers...) |
| 14:30.15 | annadane | if you're updating from 10.3 |
| 14:30.25 | Gentilhomme | annadane how do I check that I'm on 10.4? |
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| 14:30.41 | annadane | cat /etc/debian_version, but if you apt update it can tell you if you need to update packages |
| 14:30.58 | Gentilhomme | I'm on 10.4 |
| 14:31.00 | Gentilhomme | thanks |
| 14:31.15 | annadane | not sure why your graphics packages aren't working |
| 14:31.24 | Gentilhomme | is there anyong experiencing issues on glx (mesa) and nvidia packages? |
| 14:31.39 | annadane | well, what's breaking? |
| 14:31.47 | annadane | or i mean, in what way? |
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| 14:33.35 | Gentilhomme | Steam games stopped working and I can't even start the app yet anymore. GPU doesnt get recognized by some software, nvidia-smi outputs "Failed to initialize NVML: Driver/library version mismatch" |
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| 14:34.07 | CrystalMath | i mean, this could be a GPL violation |
| 14:34.20 | CrystalMath | as far as i can see, debian is distributing the RT kernel but not the source code for the RT patch |
| 14:34.24 | Gentilhomme | I do see nvidia-graphics-driver has been updated |
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| 14:36.10 | teclo- | hm, how do I setup the input in cheese ? I see no "Settings" dialog |
| 14:36.14 | Gentilhomme | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43022843/nvidia-nvml-driver-library-version-mismatch |
| 14:36.21 | Gentilhomme | according to this, a simple reboot should suffice... |
| 14:36.32 | ksk | CrystalMath: ehmm, how does debian not ship the source for any single package? its not possible by design imho :P |
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| 14:36.53 | CrystalMath | ksk: linux-image-rt's source is the same as linux-image, there's no PREEMPT_RT patch there as far as i can see |
| 14:37.01 | CrystalMath | ksk: i've been asking about it for years |
| 14:37.06 | CrystalMath | ksk: since i want to build my own RT kernel |
| 14:37.33 | annadane | Gentilhomme, yeah maybe. btw if you install the needrestart package it can tell you after updates what needs to be restarted |
| 14:37.36 | CrystalMath | ksk: at this point i'm considering reporting a GPL violation to the linux foundation, maybe then someone will tell me where the patch is |
| 14:37.51 | CrystalMath | ksk: i don't really think debian is doing something evil |
| 14:37.56 | CrystalMath | ksk: i just can't find it and no one will help me |
| 14:37.58 | ksk | Why should they, Linux Foundation is not Debian. |
| 14:38.01 | Gentilhomme | annadane cool! i'm going to install this. I hate restarting. |
| 14:38.09 | CrystalMath | ksk: yes but debian is distributing linux without the source code |
| 14:38.20 | annadane | Gentilhomme, yeah you for sure don't need to reboot after every single update |
| 14:38.23 | annadane | that's a windows thing |
| 14:38.31 | Gentilhomme | I know right |
| 14:38.45 | brutser | if i copy some text from a text editor, then close the text editor and try to paste the text, it's gone (aaaand, it's gone!) - for this you need a clipboard manager, i get that - but why do clipboard managers like clipit, diodon, save things you copied many times over? if i copied my super secret password for whatever reason, and i don't clear the |
| 14:38.45 | brutser | clipboard manager, it stays there even if copy something else after. |
| 14:39.05 | ksk | CrystalMath: "apt-get source linux-image-rt-amd64"? |
| 14:39.18 | CrystalMath | ksk: and i get the same source as for linux-image... |
| 14:39.20 | brutser | is there the most basic clipboard manager who just copy whatever you have in memory at that time and release that as soon as you copy something else? |
| 14:39.53 | CrystalMath | Picking 'linux-latest' as source package instead of 'linux-image-rt-amd64' |
| 14:40.07 | CrystalMath | Picking 'linux-latest' as source package instead of 'linux-image-amd64' |
| 14:40.09 | CrystalMath | same source |
| 14:40.24 | CrystalMath | no RT patch in there |
| 14:40.53 | greycat | brutser: you're probably making it more complicated than it needs to be. Can't you paste the selected text *before* you close the original document? Or just open a scratch terminal, paste the content there, highlight it there, then close the original? |
| 14:41.21 | brutser | greycat: you mean that way i can live without a clipboard manager? |
| 14:41.24 | brutser | yes i thought about that too |
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| 14:42.12 | ksk | CrystalMath: which sounds normal to me, I would assume all kernels use the same source, but use for example different options for compilaton.. |
| 14:42.35 | CrystalMath | ksk: ah, but the configs for PREEMPT_RT are in fact missing, because it has to be patched |
| 14:42.48 | CrystalMath | ksk: so where is this patch? i can find it elsewhere but debian must provide it |
| 14:42.49 | ksk | there are traces of "realtime foo" in that source apt downloads imho. |
| 14:42.59 | brutser | greycat: i guess xclip is very small and probably what i was after? |
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| 14:43.13 | ksk | I dont think debian has to provide a patch. it has to provide the kernel in source souce. |
| 14:43.20 | ksk | not that law is on-topic in here :X |
| 14:43.42 | CrystalMath | ksk: so you're literally trying to suggest they get to add code which they don't provide? bullcrap |
| 14:43.59 | greycat | brutser: yes, I use xclip a lot. |
| 14:44.46 | teclo- | what the f*** ??? Do I have to create a M*crosoft account in order to use Skype ??? |
| 14:44.53 | CrystalMath | ksk: from the GPL version 2: The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable. |
| 14:45.01 | greycat | Skype is proprietary crapware, so who knows. Maybe. |
| 14:45.31 | CrystalMath | ksk: and "find the patch elsewhere is not an option" see section 3a, 3b, and 3c |
| 14:46.10 | Gentilhomme | teclo- yes |
| 14:46.10 | RadoS | teclo-, how do you want to use it? |
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| 14:46.37 | teclo- | RadoS: well I don't want to create a M*crosoft account ! |
| 14:47.25 | RadoS | teclo-, with a linux-client? How to identify you without an account? |
| 14:47.27 | Delta706 | I am considering using resize2fs to reduce the size of a filing system and I found no information in the man page on whether it was written with power failure in mind. Is it safe? Is there an alternative I should consider? |
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| 14:47.47 | RadoS | Delta706, VM? |
| 14:48.00 | ksk | Delta706: Have a backup handy. |
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| 14:48.14 | rainbowtux | hi all, does anybody know how to get iptables TRACE working with buster? Works on older setups, and other distros but not on buster |
| 14:48.22 | rainbowtux | using nf_log_ipv4 |
| 14:48.31 | CrystalMath | i think it's ridiculous that i have to accuse debian of a GPL violation in order to get their PREEMPT_RT patch |
| 14:49.01 | CrystalMath | or, rather, the path to it, since i believe it is in the source package |
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| 14:50.50 | ratrace | watt! |
| 14:51.08 | greycat | Apparently someone thinks they need a "patch" that nobody else has ever heard of or knows anything about. |
| 14:51.25 | CrystalMath | greycat: debian ships a binary, linux-image-rt, that has a patch applied that is not provided in the source package |
| 14:51.41 | Haohmaru | teclo- how else will they eat your soul? creating an account is the first step |
| 14:51.42 | greycat | What makes you think this? |
| 14:51.50 | CrystalMath | greycat: because i cannot reproduce linux-image-rt |
| 14:52.12 | CrystalMath | greycat: i downloaded the appropriate source, and the PREEMPT_RT patch, which adds certain CONFIG options, is not there |
| 14:52.33 | CrystalMath | as i showed ksk, the packages linux-image and linux-image-rt have the same source package |
| 14:52.51 | Haohmaru | maybe it's not a patch but a different commandline option to the build system |
| 14:52.58 | CrystalMath | one would think this is just a config option, but actually it's not, a patch has to be applied to the source |
| 14:53.12 | CrystalMath | there is a script for doing that, but not the patch itself |
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| 14:53.33 | greycat | So you used a config file that had the RT(?) options turned on, and "make oldconfig" barfed on it? Or what? What did you actually do to determine that the code was not as you expected? |
| 14:53.59 | CrystalMath | there is no CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT_BASE for example |
| 14:54.04 | CrystalMath | in the source |
| 14:55.09 | greycat | unicorn:~$ grep PREEMPT_RT /boot/config-4.19.0-9-amd64 |
| 14:55.09 | greycat | unicorn:~$ |
| 14:55.16 | CrystalMath | greycat: tat |
| 14:55.18 | CrystalMath | *that |
| 14:55.20 | CrystalMath | is not the RT kernel |
| 14:55.27 | greycat | OK, this is above my experience level. I suggest you use a mailing list where people who actually know this stuff will have the time to help you properly. |
| 14:55.28 | CrystalMath | try config-4.19.0-9-rt |
| 14:55.48 | ksk | CrystalMath: I did some digging, I can say I do not understand how a (RT) kernel is build in debian :P |
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| 14:56.10 | Haohmaru | i only found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85291/linux-distro-with-preempt-rt-patch |
| 14:56.31 | Haohmaru | "Debian provides the Linux kernel with an applied PREEMPT_RT patch. For example, to install the amd64 version: # aptitude install linux-image-rt-amd64" |
| 14:56.41 | CrystalMath | Haohmaru: but not the source code! |
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| 14:57.06 | annadane | file a bug? |
| 14:57.11 | ksk | CrystalMath: it seems nobody in here knows the answer to your question. Please refer to other methods of communication to get what you want. |
| 14:57.15 | Haohmaru | maybe they forgot it |
| 14:57.23 | greycat | IRC is not well suited to big, long, laborious problems. Use mailing lists for these. Or, file a bug as annadane suggested. Which by the way is mail-based. |
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| 14:59.11 | ratrace | blessed be source based distros that always carry the complete recipe to build a piece of software :) |
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| 14:59.26 | jla44 | I have been using Debian for some time, but i am wondering isf i am using the "best" desktop gui! any recommendations? |
| 14:59.33 | greycat | !best |
| 14:59.34 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:59.51 | greycat | "Best" is whatever you prefer. |
| 15:00.04 | ratrace | jla44: seen the "best distro" clikbait on slashdot? |
| 15:00.24 | CrystalMath | my grep through the whole source is still running :P |
| 15:00.27 | CrystalMath | and it may not work |
| 15:00.29 | Haohmaru | they are all "best", but some are bester |
| 15:00.32 | CrystalMath | since the patch could be xz'd |
| 15:00.32 | ratrace | best *desktop (sozz) |
| 15:00.33 | annadane | jla44, xfce is simple and unobtrusive |
| 15:00.42 | annadane | see if you like it, if you don't, you can choose something else |
| 15:01.28 | Haohmaru | skip gnome and kde ;P~ |
| 15:01.32 | CrystalMath | oh |
| 15:01.34 | CrystalMath | linux-patch-4.19-rt.patch.xz |
| 15:01.38 | CrystalMath | well what'd ya know |
| 15:01.45 | Haohmaru | it's there? |
| 15:01.47 | CrystalMath | it was there the whole time |
| 15:01.51 | Haohmaru | aww |
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| 15:02.35 | CrystalMath | it was actually in the root of my directory tree for working with this |
| 15:02.37 | CrystalMath | heh |
| 15:02.39 | jla44 | gui - currently Cinnamone(sp?). I have tried kde but I found it to be overcomplicated for my use, gramps, some bash programming, looking to learn pythonn, have programmed in c++ (not for some time however) |
| 15:02.58 | annadane | Cinnamon is the spelling |
| 15:03.05 | CrystalMath | Haohmaru: i was looking for this for months |
| 15:03.10 | annadane | but yeah for simplicity you can't really go wrong with xfce |
| 15:03.10 | Haohmaru | jla44 try LXDE or xfce maybe |
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| 15:03.29 | annadane | isn't lxde going away or something? |
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| 15:04.25 | b1ack0p | sup |
| 15:04.34 | Haohmaru | looks into his debian.. |
| 15:04.39 | CrystalMath | i can't even say it was hidden, it was right in front of my nose, in /usr/src |
| 15:04.45 | Haohmaru | i don't see it moving anywhere annadane |
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| 15:05.10 | b1ack0p | i am having wifi problem.. |
| 15:05.17 | jla44 | Why is xfce - "going away"? |
| 15:05.38 | greycat | nobody said xfce was going away |
| 15:05.43 | b1ack0p | ipw2100 fatal interrupt. scheduling firmware restart |
| 15:05.55 | annadane | i said i thought - from memory - lxde might be replaced (by lxqt) |
| 15:06.00 | annadane | but that may not be correct |
| 15:06.07 | ratrace | iirc I read that too somewhere |
| 15:06.14 | annadane | not xfce, xfce isn't going anywhere |
| 15:06.22 | Logg | software never dies |
| 15:07.02 | Haohmaru | annadane perhaps, but when i tried lxqt long ago, i didn't like it as much as LXDE |
| 15:07.07 | Haohmaru | maybe it was still too young |
| 15:07.28 | annadane | impatiently waits for debian 11's xfce |
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| 15:07.50 | Haohmaru | wat about it? |
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| 15:07.54 | annadane | though the 4.12 in debian does do everything i want |
| 15:08.21 | Haohmaru | i *do* use a few components from xfce4 in my LXDE |
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| 15:08.58 | Haohmaru | but pcmanfm is eggcelent |
| 15:09.30 | oxek | teclo-: just get skype from flathub, it gets sandboxed |
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| 15:16.38 | rainbowtux | hi all, does anybody know how to get iptables TRACE working with buster? Works on older setups, and other distros but not on buster |
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| 15:21.29 | jhutchins | annadane: There is a third-party repo that has the current xfce backported to buster at least, maybe stretch. |
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| 15:27.28 | oxek | ok, I figured how to get xarchiver to always make sure to extract into a containing directory |
| 15:27.48 | oxek | the file /usr/lib/thunar-archive-plugin/xarchiver.tap contains this: |
| 15:28.05 | oxek | exec xarchiver "--extract-to=$folder" "$@" |
| 15:28.11 | oxek | and I need to change it to: |
| 15:28.17 | oxek | exec xarchiver -d "--extract-to=$folder" "$@" |
| 15:28.35 | oxek | and that will make sure xarchiver always functions the way everyone would expect it to |
| 15:28.53 | oxek | now, I've been told to not edit files in /usr/lib/ |
| 15:29.03 | oxek | because that messes with the package managers efforts |
| 15:29.14 | greycat | your changes will be lost when the package is upgraded, yes |
| 15:29.28 | oxek | so what would be the best way of doing what I want it to do then? Is there some location that overrides /usr/lib/? |
| 15:29.52 | oxek | kind of how /usr/local/bin overrides /usr/bin? |
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| 15:34.31 | greycat | Does it have to be KWallet specifically? I just use the regular ssh-agent. |
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| 15:59.43 | b1ack0p | is there a way to make speed test via terminal? |
| 15:59.53 | b1ack0p | internet speed |
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| 16:05.31 | han-solo | there are some cli for speedtest, i think |
| 16:06.07 | b1ack0p | i want to see download and upload speed mbps if possible |
| 16:06.10 | b1ack0p | ping doesnt show me that |
| 16:06.38 | b1ack0p | oh there is speedtest-cli |
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| 16:15.57 | b1ack0p | speedtest shows 2 different results from 2 different machines on same connection |
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| 16:16.34 | bomb | then the test was performed from two different servers |
| 16:17.04 | b1ack0p | but 1 laptops measures 2mbps other 8mbps |
| 16:17.11 | b1ack0p | why different? |
| 16:17.30 | b1ack0p | this keeps disconnecting |
| 16:17.35 | b1ack0p | other didnt disconnect yet |
| 16:17.58 | gcosmin | Hi .. I am trying to install tomcat and the first step after installing default-jdk ...it would be to add a tomcat user .. but groupadd command is not found. How I can sort it out ? |
| 16:18.00 | b1ack0p | i wanna try to find out if there is a hardware problem or something else |
| 16:18.01 | bomb | were both tests done with the same speedtest server? |
| 16:18.14 | b1ack0p | bomb: i used speedtest-cli on both machines |
| 16:18.19 | b1ack0p | they are both running debian10 |
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| 16:19.30 | bomb | b1ack0p: what is the "speedtest" you used? |
| 16:19.45 | b1ack0p | bomb: speedtest-cli |
| 16:19.48 | b1ack0p | on terminal |
| 16:20.04 | bomb | gcosmin: try sudo groupadd |
| 16:20.41 | gcosmin | bomb I am as root in terminal |
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| 16:21.09 | bomb | b1ack0p: it uses speedtest.net. obviously the service assigned a different location for each of laptop |
| 16:21.31 | b1ack0p | bomb: i tested 5-6 times |
| 16:21.37 | b1ack0p | everytime picking 2 different locations |
| 16:21.42 | b1ack0p | both machines do that |
| 16:21.53 | bomb | gcosmin: don't do that. add your username to the sudoers list, /etc/sudoers then use `sudo groupadd` command |
| 16:21.59 | b1ack0p | even the result for same location is like i said |
| 16:22.11 | b1ack0p | hope not a hardware issue.. |
| 16:22.25 | b1ack0p | well machines are old |
| 16:22.41 | bomb | b1ack0p: can you try downloading from linode test site, using the both laptop: https://www.linode.com/speed-test/ |
| 16:22.43 | b1ack0p | one using intel wifi 2100 other using intel 2200 |
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| 16:22.54 | b1ack0p | 2100 keeps disconnecting and low speed measures |
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| 16:26.36 | b1ack0p | bomb: same result |
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| 16:27.09 | b1ack0p | intel 2200 - dl: 5.52mbps ul: 0.60mbps ping:98ms |
| 16:27.20 | bomb | that doesn't look bad |
| 16:27.32 | b1ack0p | intel 2100 - dl: 2.98mbps ul: 0.40mbps ping: 225.20ms |
| 16:27.41 | bomb | could you try changing the etherned cables, if they're connecting via wire? |
| 16:27.49 | bomb | BRB |
| 16:27.51 | b1ack0p | no they are on wifi |
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| 16:40.20 | oxek | ok I give up, how do I edit /usr/lib/thunar-archive-plugin/xarchiver.tap so that package manager does not overwrite it? |
| 16:40.31 | oxek | I tried copying it to /usr/local/lib/thunar-archive-plugin/xarchiver.tap but it does not work |
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| 17:05.04 | lilith93 | Hi all, I have an issue with synaptic in Debian 10. It looks I'm missing some tabs (e.g. for third party software) in the repositories of synaptic: https://imgur.com/a/kryo1Zo |
| 17:05.37 | greycat | are you trying to run it as root? |
| 17:06.00 | greycat | https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes |
| 17:07.14 | lilith93 | greycat: I have to type in my password to open i |
| 17:07.16 | lilith93 | it |
| 17:07.42 | jhutchins | Well yeah, and what third party repos are supported in Debian? |
| 17:08.41 | lilith93 | Do I have to activate them first? |
| 17:09.36 | lilith93 | Just wonder because the mega.nz repo also shows up in the same list like the debian repo |
| 17:10.07 | greycat | *blink* |
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| 17:11.38 | jhutchins | ,v hexchat |
| 17:11.39 | judd | Package: hexchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.12.4-3; stretch-backports: 2.14.2-4~bpo9+1; buster: 2.14.2-4; bullseye: 2.14.3-3; sid: 2.14.3-3 |
| 17:14.53 | bomb | lilith93: did you run `apt update` or anything like that after modifying your package sources list? |
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| 17:15.41 | lilith93 | bomb: I did not add the new third party repo yet |
| 17:16.33 | lilith93 | bomb. sure I regularly make apt update / upgrade |
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| 17:18.50 | lilith93 | The other repos correctly are located in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 17:19.06 | lilith93 | the debian repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:19.22 | lilith93 | in synaptic it's all in the same list |
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| 17:22.30 | jhutchins | lilith93: Why do you expect to see something different? |
| 17:23.25 | lilith93 | jhutchins: I want to add the realtime kernel from here: http://www.bandshed.net/av-linux-kernel-repository/ |
| 17:23.38 | lilith93 | "Add the repository to your sources list. In Synaptic, go in the menu to Settings –> repositories. |
| 17:23.38 | lilith93 | Click on the ‘Third Party Software’ tab, and click ‘add’. Copy this line into the box:" |
| 17:23.53 | lilith93 | just wonder if I should add to the default list |
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| 17:24.12 | greycat | How about just *not* using synaptic... |
| 17:24.47 | genghiz | Is openssl a runtime dependency for ca-certificates? |
| 17:25.10 | genghiz | Can the certificates (theoretically) be used without having an openssl binary? |
| 17:25.24 | lilith93 | greycat: I just wanted to follow the instruction |
| 17:25.42 | greycat | genghiz: Looks like "yes". The only program in ca-certificates is /usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates and it has openssl in it. |
| 17:26.04 | greycat | of course, if you're never going to run that program, then... |
| 17:26.13 | genghiz | Haha that was gonna be my next question |
| 17:26.36 | greycat | genghiz: also, please do not ask a yes/no question and then ask a *different* yes/no question right after it, because then you don't know which one of your questions was just answered. |
| 17:27.12 | genghiz | Aight. Sorry greycat. Joined this channel for the first time. :) |
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| 17:30.57 | genghiz | So an issue I came across is that znc doesn't work properly if the openssl binary is not present on the system. It is unable to perform PKI validation. It's an edge case for sure, because it depends on ca-certificates which depends on openssl and so ought to be present in a sane system. Would this be considered a bug? |
| 17:31.43 | genghiz | To add context, openssl is not an explicitly declared dependency of znc |
| 17:32.06 | sney | sounds like that's the bug. |
| 17:32.43 | genghiz | Hmm. So a packaging bug worth filing? |
| 17:32.58 | sketchy_henry | Hi all, just a question regarding nftables. Just installed debian and wondering whether I'll need to remove iptables and install nftables, or whether there is already built in support? |
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| 17:33.14 | bomb | nftables |
| 17:33.15 | sney | genghiz: yeah, it should probably be a recommend at least |
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| 17:33.41 | genghiz | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libicu63 (>= 63.1-1~), libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.27+dfsg), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 6), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 17:33.41 | genghiz | Recommends: znc-tcl, znc-perl, znc-python |
| 17:33.41 | genghiz | Conflicts: znc-extra, znc-webadmin |
| 17:33.41 | genghiz | Breaks: znc-extra (<< 1.7.2-3) |
| 17:33.41 | genghiz | Replaces: znc-extra, znc-webadmin |
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| 17:34.05 | genghiz | Whoops. |
| 17:34.11 | bomb | sketchy_henry: but iptables is more universal, if you ever work with other distros |
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| 17:34.23 | genghiz | I dunno if that went through, but znc doesn't have any mention of openssl |
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| 17:34.29 | genghiz | sney^ |
| 17:34.30 | sney | sketchy_henry: if you want to use nftables to manage your kernel firewall, you need to install the nftables package. but right now both are available so it is up to you. |
| 17:34.48 | genghiz | bomb I think most distros are in the process of migrating anyway |
| 17:34.49 | sney | genghiz: yeah I saw the first few lines. in the future please paste to https://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 17:34.58 | genghiz | Will do. |
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| 17:35.32 | bomb | genghiz: I should have said "other unix-like OSes", not distros :> |
| 17:35.34 | sketchy_henry | bomb: Thanks |
| 17:35.40 | sponix | sney: just as a note. I recently had to revert to iptables legacy with the alternatives command because fail2ban could not negotiate adding to the banlist until I did so |
| 17:35.57 | genghiz | bomb That ought be incorrect, right? IPTables is linux only. :) |
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| 17:36.07 | genghiz | The BSDs use pf in general |
| 17:36.23 | sney | genghiz: anyway, I see it depends on libssl1.1 so maybe the maintainer thought that would be enough for ssl support in znc? I would file that bug |
| 17:36.25 | genghiz | The syntax is very different as compared to iptables |
| 17:36.26 | sponix | sney: https://codepoets.co.uk/2019/fail2ban-debian-buster-10-and-iptables-vs-nftables/ |
| 17:36.35 | genghiz | Cool sney. Thank you. |
| 17:36.48 | sney | sponix: interesting. fun with software transitions lol |
| 17:37.19 | sney | bomb: indeed, netfilter is linux-only, you won't find it in anything unix-like unless it uses the linux kernel |
| 17:37.23 | sketchy_henry | sney: Thanks |
| 17:37.29 | sney | (I guess that theoretically includes android? I wonder) |
| 17:37.33 | sponix | sney: Yeah, I am sure with more research and work put in -- it _can_ be done. But I just didn't have the time/energy so that method was for me |
| 17:37.35 | bomb | genghiz: right that was pf lol |
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| 17:38.50 | sponix | sney: I was just surprised that out of the box on Buster it would detect, but could not actually take action to ban. I was setting there with a false sense of security for longer than I'd like to admit |
| 17:39.19 | sney | parsing logs is easier than adding rules, I guess. |
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| 17:39.46 | sponix | ,v fail2ban |
| 17:39.48 | judd | Package: fail2ban on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.13-1; stretch: 0.9.6-2; stretch-backports: 0.10.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 0.10.2-2.1; bullseye: 0.11.1-2; sid: 0.11.1-2 |
| 17:40.37 | sponix | sney: I have a feeling if I did a backport from Sid -- that this would already be addressed lol |
| 17:41.02 | sney | possibly! |
| 17:42.52 | sponix | sney: how do I find out what all that would depend on if I did want to build from Sid source with SSB ? |
| 17:43.10 | sney | ,checkbackport fail2ban |
| 17:43.11 | judd | Backporting package fail2ban in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster. |
| 17:43.41 | sponix | oh.. so that one is wicked simple |
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| 17:44.33 | sketchy_henry | So does buster use nftables by deafult or is it built into iptables? |
| 17:44.45 | greycat | It doesn't "use" either one by default. |
| 17:44.53 | sney | buster doesn't install a firewall by default, it's up to the user to know if they need a firewall |
| 17:45.06 | sney | but it's common to have iptables installed because it's recommended by network-manager |
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| 17:46.04 | greycat | aptitude why is telling me that I have iptables installed because of netscript-2.4, and netcript-2.4 because of ifupdown |
| 17:46.37 | greycat | or at least I think it's saying that... not like I can figure out what "p" means very easily |
| 17:47.51 | sney | p means you don't have it installed. I think it's p because of "purge" |
| 17:47.51 | sketchy_henry | ok, so iptables has nf_tables as its default backend, right? Is there any need to install nftables then? |
| 17:48.24 | sney | sketchy_henry: it's all part of a gradual transition. netfilter wants people to switch to nftables over iptables. in order for this transition to be smooth, both are available. |
| 17:48.24 | greycat | 9 paragraphs in the "why" section of the man page, and not a single one explains what the single-letter codes mean |
| 17:48.48 | sponix | greycat: figures |
| 17:48.49 | greycat | sney: that's definitely not correct, because I *do* have it installed according to dpkg -l |
| 17:49.01 | greycat | ii iptables 1.8.2-4 amd64 administration tools for packet filtering and NAT |
| 17:49.06 | greycat | unicorn:~$ aptitude why iptables |
| 17:49.06 | greycat | p netscript-2.4 Provides ifupdown |
| 17:49.06 | greycat | p netscript-2.4 Depends iptables |
| 17:49.11 | sketchy_henry | sney: Ahh, thanks for clearing that up |
| 17:49.13 | sponix | greycat: "ii" is installed for sure and "p" is provides I think |
| 17:49.24 | greycat | sponix: that's in dpkg -l. I'm talking about aptitude why. |
| 17:49.51 | sponix | greycat: I know nothing of aptitude, seriously |
| 17:49.53 | sney | sketchy_henry: regardless, they both do the same thing (control the kernel firewall) so it's just a question of which syntax you're used to, whether you're starting from 0 with no firewall, if you need fail2ban, etc |
| 17:50.12 | sney | greycat: is netscript-2.4 installed? aiui the letter code refers to the first package on that line |
| 17:50.40 | greycat | No, it's not. |
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| 17:51.07 | sney | if aptitude why doesn't know why you installed iptables, you probably just directly installed iptables. no? |
| 17:51.08 | greycat | maybe aptitude why is simply *broken* ... that would explain a lot |
| 17:51.32 | sketchy_henry | sney: Thanks again :) |
| 17:51.38 | sney | np |
| 17:51.52 | greycat | "apt-get -s remove iptables" would simply remove it, so there're no hard dependencies, but that doesn't rule out recommends/suggests |
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| 17:55.28 | brutser | sometimes i am browsing files in pcmanfm and I want to open a file with mousepad, but then it turns out i need root or sudo, so then i will need to open terminal to get it all done - is there a way so i can pu like "open with mousepad as sudo user" when i right click the file? |
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| 18:04.23 | genghiz | brutser: I think there's something called gksu which can be used for that |
| 18:04.42 | ksk | brutser: I think what I said earlier comes down to "If your DE or aplication do not have a shiny button, then no." |
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| 18:05.17 | ksk | genghiz: gksu is not in buster (was removed, it is totally not a nice thing to "Just run an X-app as root") |
| 18:05.47 | genghiz | Oh wow. |
| 18:05.51 | brutser | ksk: so you suggest i never allow that, only from the terminal? |
| 18:06.18 | ksk | like, I would expect the "real desktops" to a) integrate policykit and b) have choosen an graphical editor as default, which also supports that |
| 18:06.32 | ksk | s/to/do |
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| 18:06.59 | brutser | ksk: well that is my point, that's not done by default |
| 18:07.03 | jmcnaught | There's a nautilus-admin plugin that says it can open files in gedit as root but I haven't tried it, and it's a different file manager. |
| 18:07.15 | ksk | I see this basicly this question asked in here sometimes, but nobody really has a nice solution as far as I know :( |
| 18:07.16 | brutser | sometimes it is more convenient for me to use mousepad, just because i was browsing anyway instead of using the terminal |
| 18:08.09 | brutser | ksk: and if i make a desktop, like mousepad2.desktop - that opens mousepad with sudo and i put mousepad in the sudoers file that can be opened for a sudo user without a password? |
| 18:08.15 | brutser | would that work or not? |
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| 18:09.08 | ksk | eh, what I mean with real desktop is something like GNOME or KDE |
| 18:09.23 | ksk | which focus on being user friendly and all (do they!?) |
| 18:09.25 | brutser | i don't have that |
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| 18:11.09 | greycat | I don't even pretend to guess what GNOME's motives are at this point. It's sure as hell not "making the user experience better". |
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| 18:11.23 | ksk | brutser: I just found a german forum post stating that you could create a policy for mousepad in policykit. I am totally unaware of the implications though. |
| 18:11.44 | ksk | https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167643 |
| 18:12.31 | ksk | !policykit |
| 18:12.31 | dpkg | PolicyKit or polkit is a Gnome-inspired permission control framework, implemented in javascript and/or [XXX]XML Its configuration files will be found in many more directories than described in any single documentation. Start with man 8 polkit |
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| 18:16.49 | sponix | brutser: I have my system setup to never require a password for sudo or policykit admin access ... It required a simple google search or two. And no, it isn't something I will cover :) |
| 18:17.04 | f-a | hello, I have `xmodmap -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Multi_key"` to get a compose key where the caps lock is |
| 18:17.14 | sponix | brutser: but just to let you know, it can be done at a user, group, or application level |
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| 18:17.35 | f-a | it works, problem is that works as a caps lock too (so if I press compose+a+e I get Æ) |
| 18:17.36 | brutser | yes i already mentioned sudoers file, it's something i am tesitng now |
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| 18:36.32 | brutser | sponix: ok, so i made mousepad2.desktop with name mousepad (sudo), then edited /etc/sudoers and added /usr/bin/mousepad allowed for current user without password - then added mousepad (sudo) to right click, it opens the desired file with mousepad as sudo, so far so good, but it's confusing me with the mouse pointer, which says the application is |
| 18:36.33 | brutser | busy for ~20 seconds, then the little indicator disappears.. |
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| 18:39.33 | brutser | i just checked, there is no differences in tasks running if i open the file from pcmanfm, or when i open it from terminal with sudo mousepad /path/file |
| 18:40.15 | brutser | so that mouse pointer is for some reason assuming there is something done in the background on which it wants to wait or something, while nothing is happening |
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| 18:56.46 | graphicsv | greycat: What is the regular ssh-agent? |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | http://manpages.debian.org/ssh-agent |
| 18:57.21 | graphicsv | greycat: I just want something to keep my password so I don't have to type it again. I'm also trying to stay away from gnome-keyring. Not sure why KWallet doesn't work as well as gnome-keyring :( |
| 18:58.34 | greycat | Those of us who do not use a desktop environment simply put a command like eval "$(ssh-agent -s)"; ssh-add in our ~/.xsession or similar file. |
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| 18:59.45 | graphicsv | greycat: Is .xsession default for all DEs or I should use something different for Plasma? |
| 19:00.16 | greycat | Every desktop environment is a special snowflake and you can't give a simple answer that covers them. |
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| 19:00.41 | greycat | .xsession is the file that you use when you DON'T run a desktop environment |
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| 19:02.26 | dokma | I have installed Debian 16 years ago on my personal machine and never reinstalled it. Still working on that same installation. Anyone had similar experience? |
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| 19:02.45 | ratrace | greycat: not even that is required. I use i3-wm and upon simple login I only ssh-add once, and it's done. also, ssh-add will require passphraes, so it's not suitable for non-interactive use, unless you don't put a passphrase on your privkey |
| 19:03.45 | dokma | Every single piece of hardware was upgraded but the installation is still the same. |
| 19:03.54 | greycat | Well yes, you have to type the passphrase when you ssh-add. That's just normal. |
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| 19:05.00 | ratrace | dokma: you're running 16 year old debian? |
| 19:05.28 | greycat | pretty sure they mean "installed in 2004, dist-upgraded repeatedly" |
| 19:06.14 | ratrace | weird way to put it then :) |
| 19:07.15 | dokma | ratrace: been upgrading the whole time. But it has been installed for the first time 16 years ago. Never reinstalled. |
| 19:07.51 | dokma | That's more than a third of my entire life! |
| 19:08.09 | greycat | I'd say that's not extremely rare, but most people probably replace their machines more often than that, either because the hardware dies, or because they want a faster machine. |
| 19:08.40 | ratrace | dokma: 16yr old disks too, or did you rsync/dd/whatever that installation across drives? |
| 19:08.42 | dokma | greycat: all the hardware has been upgraded. When I would replace the disk I would just dd over to the new one. |
| 19:08.59 | dokma | And resize my partitions obviously. |
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| 19:09.11 | greycat | so, some truth stretching has occurred |
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| 19:10.24 | dvs | dokma, rw-r--r-- 1 root root 670 Jan 10 2004 /var/log/install.log |
| 19:10.51 | greycat | I don't have that file |
| 19:10.53 | dokma | maybe I expressed my self wrongly, but from my reckoning I did infact install debian 16 years ago. |
| 19:11.02 | dokma | and never reinstalled. |
| 19:11.09 | dokma | dvs: I don't even have that file... |
| 19:11.38 | dvs | dokma, probably got deleted long time ago. |
| 19:12.10 | dokma | but I do have ppp-connect-errors.1.gz |
| 19:12.13 | dokma | :D |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | either the installer stopped creating it, or it was something you did |
| 19:12.23 | ratrace | dvs: Jan 10th.... was that one of those post-intoxication NY resolutions or "Dummm, Imma bored. HEy, let's install Debian!" :) |
| 19:12.59 | dokma | I think this one is from the installation: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1260 Oct 28 2004 ucf.conf |
| 19:13.48 | dvs | ratrace, Hmmm... I don't remember. That was probably a reinstall. |
| 19:13.56 | ratrace | I always reinstall. Since installation from scratch is not producing indentical OS as dist-upgrade would, esp. for Buster wrt usr-merge.... my OCD would never stand it. |
| 19:14.08 | dokma | dvs: when did you start using (sounds as in using drugs) ?? |
| 19:14.22 | greycat | I still haven't installed a buster yet |
| 19:15.16 | ratrace | greycat: https://media.tenor.com/images/acbba1dce5cbf2e835b08ed0b7672aac/tenor.gif |
| 19:15.23 | dvs | dokma, Drugs? Nah, just high on life. |
| 19:16.44 | dokma | dvs: nah, I meant Linux. But it sounded like drugs. |
| 19:17.37 | dvs | dokma, I started using Linux from the days when slackware came of several diskettes. |
| 19:18.18 | dokma | dvs: :D. I first installed something off diskettes as well. Can't remember what it was. |
| 19:18.38 | dokma | Overwrote my Win install. Didn't really know what I was doing with my partitions. |
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| 19:19.00 | dokma | I was probably around 15 back then. |
| 19:19.08 | d1g1ta1 | How do you modify the following to have firewall closed to externally-initiated inbound traffic? |
| 19:20.06 | dvs | dokma, I've always installed Linux on its own hard drive |
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| 19:21.30 | ratrace | dokma: that makes it "half my life" rather than "more than a third" lol :) (though half > third, indeed) |
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| 19:23.09 | dokma | ratrace: I didn't start using it back when I first installed from floppies. I reverted to Saurons product for a while but came to the light in 2004 fully. |
| 19:24.01 | ratrace | and by Sauron's product you mean One Window to Rule them All? |
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| 19:24.08 | dokma | exactly |
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| 19:38.05 | graphicsv | dokma: Are you using Buster? |
| 19:38.22 | graphicsv | dokma: I have a fatal attraction for old Debian builds :( |
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| 19:49.10 | oxek | I want to virtualize some machines. On windows I used virtualbox but it's not available for debian. What alternative should I use? I like nice GUI apps. |
| 19:49.33 | oxek | I am very confused about the distinction between qemu, kvm, virt-manager, libvirt, etc. |
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| 19:54.09 | jhutchins | !virtualbox |
| 19:54.09 | dpkg | Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox or ask me about <vbox-install buster>, <vbox-install jessie>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox rename>, <vbox guest>, <vbox extpack>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
| 19:54.30 | oxek | jhutchins: I want to get away from virtualbox anyway and learn something new |
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| 19:54.55 | oxek | especially since virtualbox is not properly supported in debian |
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| 20:06.28 | SerajewelKS | i've tried using kexec to reboot a server (kexec -l --reuse-cmdline --initrd /boot/initrd... /boot/vmlinuz... && systemctl kexec) and it works on the first reboot (system comes back up) but on the second it does not and hangs indefinitely. this is on an AWS EC2 server. has anyone else experienced this kind of weirdness with kexec? |
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| 20:07.41 | SerajewelKS | this is with 4.19.0-9-cloud-amd64 |
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| 20:10.00 | sney | oxek: gnome-boxes is pretty good, it has basically the same functionality as virtualbox but it just uses libvirt/qemu under the hood |
| 20:10.41 | oxek | sney: I saw gnome-boxes, that installs just the UI. I still don't know which packages I need to get the actual virtual machine. |
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| 20:11.07 | oxek | I am gonna virtualize windows and other linuxes for testing, all x86_64 or i386 architectures |
| 20:11.35 | sney | well, thankfully, debian has a package manager that knows those relationships and installs the required packages for you |
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| 20:12.34 | oxek | I guess I installed it with --no-install-recommends then |
| 20:12.36 | oxek | my bad |
| 20:12.55 | sney | rip |
| 20:13.02 | oxek | still would prefer to get the real qemu/kvm/libvirt/virtmanager stuff instead to learn what the real pros use |
| 20:13.51 | sney | the 'real pros' use a gui solution like this when it's a question of testing something in a different OS, like you described |
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| 20:14.35 | sney | I guess some people might spin up qemu manually but that seems like extra work for no benefit. |
| 20:14.52 | annadane | yeah if you've memorized the 900,000 options |
| 20:14.53 | sney | virtualizing in production is an entirely different animal |
| 20:15.43 | annadane | although if you do know what you need and understand how to make a vm using just qemu then all the power to you, installing virt-manager on my machine is like 107 packages |
| 20:15.53 | annadane | dependency hell vs 900,000 options, your choice |
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| 20:16.38 | sney | is a big fan of SmartOS when it comes to virtualizing in production. But that's not debian or even linux. It supports debian as lx or kvm guests very well, at least. |
| 20:16.44 | miskatonic | so virtual boxes require a desktop environment? |
| 20:16.55 | annadane | i can't virtualize anyway, my pc is far too slow |
| 20:17.03 | oxek | annadane: gnome-boxes 71 packages, virt-manager 72 packages. Is that bad? |
| 20:17.10 | sponix2ipfw | miskatonic: you could start them as headless sessions with the vbox manager |
| 20:17.37 | sney | oxek: a lot of small libraries are packaged separately, so looking at the number of packages is pretty meaningless most of the time |
| 20:17.46 | sponix2ipfw | annadane: you should borrow mine :) |
| 20:18.00 | sney | annadane: I'm sure you could, just slowly :D |
| 20:18.27 | jhutchins | oxek: Virtualbox is professional. |
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| 20:19.01 | jhutchins | oxek: VMPlayer not so much. Last I checked the Windows 64b version would only support 32b machines. |
| 20:19.33 | graphicsv | I have to say, VirtualBox should be officially supported on Debian 10 |
| 20:19.38 | graphicsv | It should have more packages, not less |
| 20:19.40 | annadane | blame oracle |
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| 20:20.37 | jhutchins | oxek: also /msg dpkg virtualization |
| 20:20.38 | sney | graphicsv: unfortunately, oracle refuses to help the debian maintainer keep stable versions of virtualbox supported with security patches, so virtualbox doesn't qualify for debian stable anymore |
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| 20:21.08 | jhutchins | sney: I have heard rumors that they've worked something out. |
| 20:21.37 | sney | oh, that would be a treat |
| 20:22.17 | graphicsv | sney: That's what I respect about Debian. I've used many distros in my life, but Debian is and I think will always be the best. It just works. I've never had an update to break my installation EVER. Unless when I use weird packages from outside debian repo |
| 20:22.36 | graphicsv | My wife's pregnant and I wonder if my son/daughter will be a Linux or Windows user |
| 20:22.41 | graphicsv | Or even macOS |
| 20:23.10 | annadane | you don't have to use debian's packages, there's nothing stopping you from downloading virtualbox |
| 20:23.47 | bomb | graphicsv: don't buy him a Mac or Windows-license, problem solved |
| 20:24.29 | miskatonic | what if he becomes an openbsd user? |
| 20:24.52 | jukebohi | What if he starts to use Darwin |
| 20:25.10 | jukebohi | which is some BSD |
| 20:25.14 | oxek | somehow running `apt install qemu` installs one package... and `apt show qemu` tells me it can be safely removed |
| 20:25.31 | bomb | https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 20:25.34 | bomb | problem solved |
| 20:26.07 | annadane | oxek, read the description in apt shoe qemu |
| 20:26.15 | annadane | show |
| 20:26.16 | annadane | not apt shoe |
| 20:26.24 | jukebohi | GNU's Not Unix.. |
| 20:26.26 | jukebohi | .. but it has always helped Linux to be. |
| 20:26.31 | oxek | graphicsv: probably ipad user, sorry |
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| 20:26.53 | Psil0Cybin | Hey guys I need your help very badly |
| 20:27.01 | pwnd_nsfw | are you trippin' real hard? |
| 20:27.02 | oxek | `apt shoe` should be a command. I wonder what it should do. |
| 20:27.02 | jukebohi | too bad the Linux is split into 501 flavors |
| 20:27.07 | oxek | Psil0Cybin: the dragons are not real |
| 20:27.08 | Psil0Cybin | I ran a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade on debian 10, and it seems to have caused a black screen with a blinking cursor |
| 20:27.11 | pwnd_nsfw | oxek, lmao |
| 20:27.35 | pwnd_nsfw | I had that before I messed with my nvidia drivers |
| 20:27.36 | Psil0Cybin | when I restart, I cannot get back into my system as it says Kernel Module Failed and than it gos down a list of a bunch of stuff that passed and than last Nvidia Failed |
| 20:27.46 | Psil0Cybin | and tha nit goes back to just a blackscren and cursor |
| 20:27.50 | Psil0Cybin | how can i fix this? |
| 20:28.18 | sney | Psil0Cybin: sounds like the nvidia module didn't build for the new kernel. install the headers and that should trigger the build |
| 20:28.41 | Psil0Cybin | how do i go about doing that? launch in recovery mode and run what command> |
| 20:29.08 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Try switching to a console, or boot in rescue mode. You probably need to do a full-upgrade, and possibly re-install the nvidia drivers if you installed from their own builds. |
| 20:29.09 | greycat | It's really weird that you'd get a new kernel with "apt-get upgrade", since that just gives you the "kept back" message for new packages. |
| 20:29.17 | graphicsv | jukebohi: There's no distro as the Debian distro. Period |
| 20:29.42 | Psil0Cybin | hello jhutchins i am booting into rescue mode as we speak |
| 20:29.43 | jukebohi | graphicsv: I love it for servers. Such stability. |
| 20:29.53 | Psil0Cybin | it says give root passsord for maintance or press control d to continue |
| 20:30.06 | greycat | that's the single-user-mode prompt |
| 20:30.17 | Psil0Cybin | okay what do I do after I login as root? |
| 20:30.23 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: ? |
| 20:30.28 | graphicsv | jukebohi: For developing software it seems like a good idea as well because your software will work on recent machines and you won't develop your stuff on top of some weird bugs introduced by new versions. Debian is the answer |
| 20:31.02 | Psil0Cybin | okay i logged in as root going to try to do the sudo apt-get update && upgrade again |
| 20:31.06 | Psil0Cybin | and see if that fixed the issue |
| 20:31.07 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: There are several things you can try. Which release are you running, and what nvidia drivers did you install? |
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| 20:31.32 | Psil0Cybin | Debian 10 and it seems that it installed nvidia-vulkan-icd amd 64 418.113-1 |
| 20:31.47 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Do "full-install", and possibly apt -f install |
| 20:31.52 | Psil0Cybin | as its right now hanging on building initial module for 4.19.0.8-amd-64 |
| 20:31.56 | Psil0Cybin | okay |
| 20:32.00 | Psil0Cybin | will try that now and report back |
| 20:32.10 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Ah, well give it time to build. |
| 20:32.24 | greycat | I'm guessing they're lying about the exact commands they ran. They probably ran "apt upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" and got a new kernel, and didn't grab the matching headers yet. |
| 20:32.25 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Sounds like you have a proper dkms install. |
| 20:32.51 | miskatonic | if he's logged in as root, why the sudo? |
| 20:32.57 | Psil0Cybin | okay actually jhutchins i now get a screen tht says |
| 20:33.04 | Psil0Cybin | Misamatching nvidia kernel modjule loaded |
| 20:33.19 | Psil0Cybin | the nvidia driver that is being installed version 390.132 does not match the nvidia kernel module currently loaded version 419.113 |
| 20:33.37 | Psil0Cybin | the X Server open GL and GPGPU applications may not work properly |
| 20:33.49 | Psil0Cybin | unload using modprobe -r nvidia and restart x server |
| 20:33.51 | ratrace | eh 419.113? |
| 20:34.18 | ratrace | you mean 418.113? |
| 20:34.24 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: So have you done a full-upgrade or a dist-upgrade yet? |
| 20:34.36 | Psil0Cybin | not yet this is what popped up after just a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:34.45 | greycat | "apt upgrade" would have pulled in a new kernel package, without needing to write full- or dist- |
| 20:34.47 | Psil0Cybin | i am going to do that the second it finishes the building intial module and lets me able to type |
| 20:35.08 | greycat | in any case, I would suggest apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:36.29 | Psil0Cybin | jhutchins: when i run apt-get dist-ugrade it says unable to fetch some archivess |
| 20:36.48 | Psil0Cybin | but it works for the regular apt-get update && apt-get upgrade so i seem ot not be able to run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:36.59 | jhutchins | Interesting. |
| 20:37.20 | Psil0Cybin | it says unable to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get update or try with -f-fix-mossing and i tried those but again i cannot do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:37.52 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: Pastebin your sources.liist (and anything in sources.list.d |
| 20:37.53 | sney | network probably not up in recovery mode |
| 20:38.16 | Psil0Cybin | source list is located in /etc/sources.list? |
| 20:38.26 | jhutchins | sney: Then why does it run a regular upgrade? |
| 20:38.34 | Psil0Cybin | yea it runs regular upgrade |
| 20:38.37 | Psil0Cybin | but not a dist-upgrade |
| 20:38.38 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:39.02 | sney | packages were already in apt cache? |
| 20:39.12 | Psil0Cybin | http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
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| 20:39.27 | Psil0Cybin | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free |
| 20:39.50 | Psil0Cybin | from apt-get upgrade && apt-get ugrade it says the folowing packages have been kept back |
| 20:39.54 | jhutchins | !buster sources.list |
| 20:39.54 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main", and optionally "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main". See <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <buster/updates> <buster-updates> and "man sources.list". |
| 20:39.58 | Psil0Cybin | linux-headers-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 |
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| 20:40.42 | Psil0Cybin | dpkg: so i should change those sources? |
| 20:40.43 | dpkg | Psil0Cybin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:40.47 | Psil0Cybin | you think that is the problem? |
| 20:40.56 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: dpkg is our reference bot. |
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| 20:41.27 | Psil0Cybin | okay so i cannot even pull those missing headers as i have a temp failure resolving ftp.ca.debian.org |
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| 20:41.34 | jhutchins | Psil0Cybin: I'll have to defer to greycat or someone on held packages. |
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| 20:42.18 | Psil0Cybin | so im confused is the Can mirror down |
| 20:42.21 | Psil0Cybin | and that caused this issue? |
| 20:42.25 | Psil0Cybin | I do not know how to fix this |
| 20:42.28 | Psil0Cybin | or get the files I need... |
| 20:42.45 | jhutchins | !mirror status |
| 20:42.45 | dpkg | Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:42.52 | greycat | first step with a mirror issue is "wait a minute and try again" |
| 20:43.22 | sney | ftp.ca is fine, I just used it |
| 20:43.26 | Psil0Cybin | yea |
| 20:43.30 | Psil0Cybin | so what is going on :'( |
| 20:43.38 | sney | is your network up? ip a |
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| 20:44.02 | Psil0Cybin | yes |
| 20:44.09 | greycat | you can ping the mirror by hostname? |
| 20:44.10 | Psil0Cybin | actually i may be wrong |
| 20:44.13 | Psil0Cybin | i cannot ping google. |
| 20:44.21 | obsview | DNS issueee? |
| 20:44.29 | Psil0Cybin | but i just did a apt-get update && upgrade |
| 20:44.32 | Psil0Cybin | so this is so random?! |
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| 20:44.53 | oxek | am I allowed to talk to the dpkg bot as much as I need? It is providing helpful info about virtualization |
| 20:45.06 | greycat | oxek: in /msg please. |
| 20:45.22 | Psil0Cybin | ugh how did this happen :'( |
| 20:45.38 | Psil0Cybin | WAIT A MOMENT |
| 20:45.38 | jhutchins | oxek: You can /msg the bot. |
| 20:45.48 | Psil0Cybin | HAZZAH! |
| 20:45.53 | Psil0Cybin | a restart just worked |
| 20:45.55 | Psil0Cybin | WHAT THE HECK! |
| 20:46.02 | Psil0Cybin | what?! |
| 20:46.13 | Psil0Cybin | im sorry i am actually baffled...give me amoment to just take this in |
| 20:47.00 | annadane | !win Psil0Cybin |
| 20:47.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, Psil0Cybin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:47.05 | annadane | oh. |
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| 20:56.54 | ajayahmed | hi. i want to backup 16 vps in various countries to a storage dedicated server in france with an atom processor. i will use restic for backups but i'm wondering what method is optimum in terms of CPU usage (network speed not important)? sftp? nfs? some other method? |
| 20:57.37 | petn-randall | ajayahmed: Do the CPUs in question have AES acceleration? |
| 20:59.00 | Santzes | ajayahmed: rsync most convinient? |
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| 20:59.58 | ajayahmed | the cpu's on the vps do, the destination doesn't. the backups will be encrypted before they reach the storage server so not sure if aes will matter on the storage server? restic on each server means i can do snapshots and restore easily (they're websites) |
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| 21:24.33 | dokma | graphicsv: I'm on Buster |
| 21:24.57 | dokma | graphicsv: how old is your build? |
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| 21:28.45 | oxek | is this the current mini.iso for debian stable? https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 21:29.41 | sney | that's what the url indicates |
| 21:30.21 | sney | and 'current' is symlinked to deb10u4, so yes |
| 21:30.31 | oxek | there does not seem to be a way of verifying that the image comes from debian. Are there any pgp-signed hashsums for the mini.iso? |
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| 21:31.19 | sney | yes here http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
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| 21:32.03 | oxek | ahh |
| 21:32.05 | oxek | thanks |
| 21:33.41 | oxek | hmm, it's something at least, but those are not pgp-signed like the regular releases |
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| 21:44.57 | jhutchins | oxek: If the checksum is correct they're valid images. |
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| 21:52.01 | hemimaniac | t |
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| 22:00.29 | sponix2ipfw | !ssb |
| 22:00.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 22:22.55 | bitblit | what does thermald's TargetState refer to? it's a number but the man page doesn't say what it represents. |
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| 22:25.10 | bitblit | thermald is slowing down my laptop while running, and even when I stop it it doesn't go back above 50C until I reboot. then it gets up to 80C... from the output of thermald it looks like intel powerclamp, but i'm not sure why it wouldn't "release" after the service is stopped. |
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| 22:26.52 | zu22 | Getting an error on 'apt-get update' W: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1520281423 |
| 22:26.58 | zu22 | How do I fix this? |
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| 22:29.37 | SomethingGeneric | Hi! I've gotten 32bit Debian 10 on my old laptop. I've installed non-free firmware and the specific ipw2000 package for my wifi adapter, but when I try to connect to the networks it detects, even with the right password, it doesn't connect |
| 22:29.45 | SomethingGeneric | How would y'all advise I troubleshoot? |
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| 22:33.55 | zu22 | I followed the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 22:34.05 | zu22 | But I still get expired key error |
| 22:34.56 | oxek | why is debian-10.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso 336M but debian-10.4.0-i386-netinst.iso is 427M, i.e. almost 100M larger? |
| 22:35.33 | SomethingGeneric | oxek probably for packages that they had to keep on 32 bits |
| 22:35.39 | SomethingGeneric | lots of packages dont bother |
| 22:35.51 | LtL | zu22: type 'date' on your machine.. is it correct? |
| 22:36.00 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: I don't understand |
| 22:36.19 | SomethingGeneric | oxek I'd expect its for packages to continue supporting 32bit |
| 22:37.03 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: it will probably be because of "wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes" being set by default |
| 22:37.39 | SomethingGeneric | oxek ah. How do I disable that? |
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| 22:40.45 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: this https://blogs.gnome.org/thaller/2016/08/26/mac-address-spoofing-in-networkmanager-1-4-0/ but disable it |
| 22:41.27 | SomethingGeneric | oxek, thanks! |
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| 22:41.53 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: probably something like sudo echo -e "[device-mac-randomization]\nwifi.scan-rand-mac-address=yes" > /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/30-mac-randomization.conf |
| 22:42.00 | oxek | but beware, I am just a random guy here |
| 22:42.17 | oxek | ehh, should be =no |
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| 22:42.33 | oxek | sudo echo -e "[device-mac-randomization]\nwifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no" > /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/30-mac-randomization.conf |
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| 22:43.25 | gcosmin | Hi, I am trying to connect to Tomcat9 Manager from a different machine, but it does not work, same issue with pgadmin4... I have tried to look online for answers but it seems that I cannot find any help |
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| 22:46.00 | ratrace | !doesn't work |
| 22:46.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 22:47.53 | SomethingGeneric | !dpkg smart questions |
| 22:47.54 | dpkg | Asking the right question can be hard, and effective communication is easier if you give us extra information. https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html has some suggestions. The key points are: tell us what you actually did and what you were trying to achieve, provide the full command and full output in a <pastebin>. |
| 22:48.02 | gcosmin | ratrace I get an error on my browser: This site can't be reached ... I tried to access my debian machine through SSH but it seems like I can not reach it |
| 22:48.07 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: let me know if my suggestion worked |
| 22:48.23 | SomethingGeneric | oxek, yup. I'll see in just a sec |
| 22:48.57 | ratrace | gcosmin: using hostname or IP address? |
| 22:50.02 | SomethingGeneric | oxek works fine now, thanks for the help!! |
| 22:50.15 | oxek | SomethingGeneric: yeah I thought that was gonna be the case |
| 22:50.21 | oxek | it is a longstanding issue with those cards |
| 22:50.26 | SomethingGeneric | It's strange that Debian would allow randomization by default. Even if a wifi-card played nice, I'd think that most routers wouldn't |
| 22:50.47 | oxek | nobody (meaning I could not get reportbug to work) has reported this issue in debian yet |
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| 22:51.25 | oxek | upstream is vaguely aware of this issue and periodically blacklists wifi cards with bad drivers, so perhaps the upstream version of networkmanager is fine now |
| 22:51.30 | gcosmin | ratrace https://pastebin.com/w0DmvPSK , the IP address I am using is 10.0.2.15 , so I am trying from browser on my windows machine to access 10.0.2.15:8080 |
| 22:51.33 | SomethingGeneric | ah. I did notice that with Ubuntu as well. I guess the difficulty in reporting issues is intentional to avoid people reporting every little issue |
| 22:51.53 | oxek | yeah, this is no little issue |
| 22:51.55 | SomethingGeneric | gcosmin, are you tring to ssh via a web browser?? |
| 22:52.04 | oxek | I very likely saved you many hours of debugging |
| 22:52.16 | SomethingGeneric | oxek oh im sure |
| 22:52.25 | SomethingGeneric | Also, other little issue i have on this new install is the gnome cursor |
| 22:52.35 | gcosmin | SomethingGeneric ssh I am trying from Putty on my windows machine using port 22 and the ip 10.0.2.15 |
| 22:52.39 | SomethingGeneric | the GUI works fine but anything displayed at the mouse location is super stretched out |
| 22:52.44 | ratrace | gcosmin: does your windows machine know how to route to 10.0.2.15/24 ? |
| 22:52.55 | ratrace | gcosmin: can you ping the host from windows? |
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| 22:54.29 | invra | hello , i jsut updated to the lastes buster and i notused that /usr/share/terminfo is empty |
| 22:55.44 | gcosmin | ratrace https://pastebin.com/ftX1Exmw |
| 22:56.07 | ratrace | invra: maybe you can try reinstalling ncurses-term |
| 22:56.30 | ratrace | gcosmin: seems like your network is broken |
| 22:56.54 | ratrace | gcosmin: is that some VPN that is losing packets? |
| 22:59.55 | gcosmin | ratrace I am trying to learn Java, it is too expensive for me to buy tomcat hosting so I've got installed debian on VirtualBox, and I have setup everything but I can not connect to it from ouside |
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| 23:02.02 | SomethingGeneric | gcosmin, you need to port-forward in the debian vm's network settings |
| 23:02.08 | SomethingGeneric | what program are you using? |
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| 23:04.28 | gcosmin | SomethingGeneric like right now I am in debian, and I am using the internet through my windows laptop, I really can not see now I can access my windows machine from debian but not the other way around |
| 23:04.51 | SomethingGeneric | Yes. That's how most VM programs set up the network by default |
| 23:05.03 | SomethingGeneric | What program are you using for your virtual machine? VirtualBox? |
| 23:06.16 | gcosmin | SomethingGeneric I not using any program, I have created a virtual linux machine, and I have used net install iso to install debian |
| 23:06.29 | SomethingGeneric | How did you create the virtual linux machine? |
| 23:06.42 | ratrace | gcosmin: apparently your network is working, just very packet lossy |
| 23:06.48 | gcosmin | using the Oracle VM VIrtualBox Manager |
| 23:06.58 | ratrace | gcosmin: can you try ping with a bit more packets, say 50? |
| 23:07.23 | SomethingGeneric | ratrace, are you sure it's not just because gcosmin didn't allow port 22 through the NAT adapter? |
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| 23:07.37 | SomethingGeneric | I'd had similar issues with SSH'ing into VMs before |
| 23:07.42 | ratrace | SomethingGeneric: what nat adatper |
| 23:08.07 | SomethingGeneric | The NAT adapter which he's presumably using as the machine's eth link |
| 23:08.27 | ratrace | meanwhile, this doesn't seem to be an issue for #debian at all. windows networking and/or using VBox on windows, maybe #windows is a better place |
| 23:08.29 | SomethingGeneric | VirtualBox usually disallows some connections inbound through it by default |
| 23:08.38 | SomethingGeneric | ratrace, yep |
| 23:08.50 | gcosmin | guys you are right... I jhave tried now ping 10.0.2.15 -n 50 ....and most of them are Timed out |
| 23:09.22 | ratrace | so nothing to do with port forwarding |
| 23:11.07 | SomethingGeneric | gcosmin, wonder if there's a channel for virtualbox |
| 23:11.13 | SomethingGeneric | they'd know more than those of us here |
| 23:12.07 | gcosmin | https://ibb.co/m8fCxBh |
| 23:12.46 | zu22 | No one answered my question :( |
| 23:13.06 | SomethingGeneric | zu22 same here. I can't see yours in my personal backlog |
| 23:13.22 | gcosmin | thanks guys |
| 23:13.44 | zu22 | The wiki is wrong |
| 23:13.56 | SomethingGeneric | In what regard? |
| 23:13.59 | zu22 | I created /etc/apt/apt.conf with what it said |
| 23:14.09 | zu22 | and i still get GPG error on apt |
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| 23:18.25 | SomethingGeneric | zu22 that's an interesting error. I'm on an ubuntu machine, and at one point in the past had an issue with Ubuntu enforcing https sources. Unfortunatley, I don't have a solution for you. My one suggestion would be to look and see if debian puts any default rules in /etc/apt/conf.d that enforce correct keys and/or https |
| 23:19.14 | LtL | zu22: where does it say create apt.conf? try using a proper /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
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| 23:19.49 | SomethingGeneric | LtL that's a good point, too. You shouldn't have to touch apt.conf unless you're doing something strange with 3rd party sources, zu22 |
| 23:20.05 | zu22 | ok |
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| 23:22.27 | SomethingGeneric | zu22, here's my sources on a fresh install of debian 10 https://gist.github.com/SomethingGeneric/d97ca01bedbe38a3598b051d50c8c4ab |
| 23:22.42 | SomethingGeneric | keep in mind, though I'm on i386 with that machine. But I don't think that changes the urls used |
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| 23:31.46 | sponix | sney: Yeah.. it is easy to use nft with it. you just have to change iptables to nftables in the config - At least for the Sid version that works fine :) |
| 23:31.57 | sponix | sney: for fail2ban per our prior conversation |
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| 23:36.23 | brieweb | I just installed Debian buster with Secure Boot turned on. It worked. I tried installing Xen and it said that it couldn't boot Xen with the secure boot. I went in the bios, and now it will start to boot, but the screen goes dark. I have to power the machine off and restart |
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| 23:36.58 | brieweb | should I reinstall secure boot turned off and try installing Xen again? |
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| 23:43.22 | brieweb | I should mention that I went in the bios and turned off secure boot, but I left uefi boot on |
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| 23:46.58 | sponix | brieweb: if you have nothing invested in this install. Yes, reinstall with EFI ON, and Secure boot OFF. |
| 23:47.04 | sponix | brieweb: what GPU do you have ? |
| 23:47.29 | brieweb | it's an intel GPU. I am not running graphics. Let me check |
| 23:48.13 | brieweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.36 | Vejeta | Hi guys, have you detected some application windows not refreshing lately? The windows are refreshed after being resized. I have noticed it on chromium/spotify/slack, among others. So I am looking at what they have in common |
| 23:48.38 | brieweb | nothing invested, so I will try reinstall |
| 23:49.06 | brieweb | sponix, thanks for the advice. I will see how it goes |
| 23:49.43 | sponix | brieweb: I wish you the best of luck, that i915 GPU (likely) should be supported directly by the kernel. Not sure why you would get a blank stare from it :) |
| 23:50.20 | sponix | brieweb: the Secure Boot can block kernel things like Xen from loading for sure though |
| 23:50.47 | brieweb | I don't know. I see a few messages and before I can see them it goes black. I checked to see if there are any logs. I didn't find any |
| 23:51.03 | brieweb | I am just going to try from scratch. See how it goes |
| 23:52.44 | sponix | brieweb: make sure to install open-ssh server if that is an option within the install. That way you can try to ssh in if it still fails to load all the way up |
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